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Before, I wasn't certain if this was part of C-Canon Legends or not - I think a lot of people weren't certain - but Nova found a legitimate source referring to it. So what do you think?

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Does this explain why Vader can't overcome old codgers such as ANH Kenobi?

I'm not seeing what's suppose to be taken from this?

Isn't it non-canon, even to Legends?
Edit: I mean, a quote refers to it, but what source exactly?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'm not seeing what's suppose to be taken from this?

That's because your very special among us Zen, almost precious, please stay that way my beloved.

@URS, it's been referenced in other Legends material, so I think it might actually be a legitimate source of info. Just need to find the Quote...

Zenwolf, stop lurking and find the quote for us, it's all you're good for.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
That's because your very special among us Zen, almost precious, please stay that way my beloved.

@URS, it's been referenced in other Legends material, so I think it might actually be a legitimate source of info. Just need to find the Quote...

Insider 83.



But anyway, if the suggestion is that Vader is slow and that's why he couldn't overcome Obi-Wan in ANH. I'm not really seeing the comparison here, Maul would also be much faster than Old Ben and quicker...

Get us the quote you fat ****!

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Get us the quote you fat ****!

I posted in my previous post.

When exactly took the comic took place, again?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
When exactly took the comic took place, again?

Around the time after the Rebels had stolen the DS plans.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
When exactly took the comic took place, again?

Shortly after ANH, so Vader does get an increase in skill during ESB, but it does legitimately make Galen Marek types > Maul-level in skill.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Shortly after ANH, so Vader does get an increase in skill during ESB, but it does legitimately make Galen Marek types > Maul-level in skill.

It's around the time of ANH not after.

Honestly, then I don't see how this is so bad.
I have TPM Maul as high 8 as duelist, and ANH Vader as mid-8.
ESB Vader and RotJ Vader surpass Maul as duelist, tho.

This fight kind of makes Vader look like a seven or a six tbh.

Didn't you take Insider as non-canon, though, Ziggy?

Anyway, just because the fight itself was referenced, doesn't mean the comic is canon. It's the same thing as with Old Wounds.

Ziggy decided to change his mind once the alternative suited his purposes. Anyway:

Leland Chee, SW.com Blogs (https://web.archive.org/web/2007012...ron/22/comments)

The Vader vs. Maul brawl is canon? It's not quite the real Darth Maul. Hence the "or something." Who knows, it could have been a vision like Luke confronting Vader on Dagobah or just some sort of Sith illusion. Or a clone. Nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing, just that Vader and Maul have a pretty cool battle.

I did, I was presented with a quote that validates the Magazine.

Beni, Chee's question has already been clarified. There's no need for old news here.

The quote you provided is outdated by Chee's commentary, and made by sources of inferior authority.

Nor is it technically concrete, as I have already pointed out.

Chee's commentary doesn't override anything, lol. Stop getting upset over this. Chee simply opens the matter up to a range of cases, but the Insider article clarifies what we're seeing.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Chee's commentary doesn't override anything, lol. Stop getting upset over this. Chee simply opens the matter up to a range of cases, but the Insider article clarifies what we're seeing. Yes I know what you think, you've said it a dozen times, I'm sorry the reality isn't to your liking.

The reality isn't to your liking Beni, lol. You have no reason to dismiss this source other than personal bias.

Alright, dear. I'm going to get on with something else now.

I understand, and take your concession gladly.

Sorry to burst your bubble Ziggy, but:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111205740/4861950-screen+shot+2015-10-18+at+12.53.09+pm.png

Insider 85.

Zigtard as always failing in debates. Why don't you go to Stormfront and fondle another wingnuts balls?

That doesn't look like an insider quote, lol.

Nah it is an Insider quote.

still not seeing how this changes anything, it might have happened in a parallel reality, but it just goes to show what would happen if they did resurrect Maul and the two fought.

Speaking of Insider 85, interestingly enough, the 501st first mission was Knightfall...so they weren't even apart of the Clone Wars apparently as it's noted that the Jedi Temple attack was their Inaugural mission.

Of course obviously that was retconned, but that's something I didn't notice before.

Stick with the alternate reality Ziggy, it's where you belong.

Nah, I could write a fanfic as accurate as possible, yet it still wouldn't be canon. Not saying Resurrection is accurate, but you get my point (I hope).

All we know is that Vader killed Maul and that's it.

I'd say the fight accuraltey depicts how a battle would go down between the two given Vader's performance against Old Ben, so I will still be referencing it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling


Leland Chee, SW.com Blogs https://web.archive.org/web/2007012...ron/22/comments

The Vader vs. Maul brawl is canon? It's not quite the real Darth Maul. Hence the "or something." Who knows, it could have been a vision like Luke confronting Vader on Dagobah or just some sort of Sith illusion. Or a clone. Nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing, just that Vader and Maul have a pretty cool battle.

Thanks Beni! Need this for my debate with Nova.

Denial is the primary weapon on these boards.

Despite the quotes already making the reality of that fight ambiguous, even in the old Legends it would have been C-Canon, contradicted by a higher T-Canon source in TCW.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
still not seeing how this changes anything, it might have happened in a parallel reality, but it just goes to show what would happen if they did resurrect Maul and the two fought.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I'd say the fight accuraltey depicts how a battle would go down between the two given Vader's performance against Old Ben, so I will still be referencing it.

No, the comic is non-canon, period. Don't use it as an argument. Stick to Old Ben.

Originally posted by Azronger
No, the comic is non-canon, period. Don't use it as an argument. Stick to Old Ben.


Here's the thing, Ima still use it. For literary pleasure at least, it's a very good fight and accurately depicting how a young, bright-horned and evil eyed Maul would fight a crippled Darth Vader, the former being in the prime of his strength. It certainly seems to reflect Lucas' vision as far as the expanded universe is concerned - i.e it's closely related to the movies.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
It certainly seems to reflect Lucas' vision as far as the expanded universe is concerned - i.e it's closely related to the movies.


Well for Lucas's actual vision you should refer to TCW Anakin and Maul. For the closest thing to Lucas's vision you should refer to the work his apprentice Filoni is Doing in Rebels.


Old Legends crap like Resurrection though is so far away from Lucas's vision it's ludicrous to bring them both up in the same sentence.

So Maul not being injured critically at all against Tank and her fleeing to Tano wrecking Vader's helmet. Maul ftw. Abc logic for the doubleyaaaaaaaaa !!!

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Here's the thing, Ima still use it. For literary pleasure at least, it's a very good fight and accurately depicting how a young, bright-horned and evil eyed Maul would fight a crippled Darth Vader, the former being in the prime of his strength. It certainly seems to reflect Lucas' vision as far as the expanded universe is concerned - i.e it's closely related to the movies.

Again, it doesn't matter how accurate the work is. It just doesn't. It's still non-canon.

I appreciate your opinion on the matter, I really do, but it's simply too well published to shun. So Ima still use it in debates

And then people wonder why the old EU had to be booted from Official Canon.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
And then people wonder why the old EU had to be booted from Official Canon.

Well I had no problems with it.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I appreciate your opinion on the matter, I really do, but it's simply too well published to shun. So Ima still use it in debates

I doubt other people will, though.