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What are in your opinion the best implied feats in Star Wars legends?
Besides Abeloth besting the Daughter and the Son, the Father besting Abelot and the Son and the Daughter beating Abeloth.

Caedus' turbolaser deflection, Onimi's TPing of Shimrra(did we ever had an actual proof how it happened, other than Onimi's words?) and some of Exar's feats come in my mind.

Revan butchering armies of Echani. Tulak Hord cutting through legions of Jedi.

Vitiate dominating 9000 Sith.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate dominating 9000 Sith.
Uhm...iirc, he didn't dominated them, at least not from the beginning.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Uhm...iirc, he didn't dominated them, at least not from the beginning. Yes he did.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yes he did.
Quote, please?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate dominating 9000 Sith. Not quite; there were only 8000, and he performed a ritual (with their unwitting help) that drained their lifespans and Force strength.

Guess I was wrong. Never knew he mind-slaved them.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Guess I was wrong. Never knew he mind-slaved them.
Same.

http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/blog/171559/MustacheTwirl.jpg

The SWTORE says otherwise. Shame.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The SWTORE says otherwise. Shame.
The Encyclopedia is also a in-universe source and presents an account of the event in question. It does not overrules the account of Darth Nyriss, rather contributes more to the story.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The SWTORE says otherwise. Shame.
Noice. Quote please.
That therad is here to wank Caedus and other kewl Character, not Vitate.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The Encyclopedia is also a in-universe source and presents an account of the event in question. The account of Darth Nyriss is just as credioble.
Just as -not more.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Just as -not more.
My point is that one account does not retcons the other.

Thousands of Sith would have participated in the ritual on their own accord but this does not dismisses the possibility that Vitiate telepathically enslaved them at a later stage of the ritual.

The ritual in question lasted 10 days. That is a lot of time to enslave participants.

Is this still really going on? Not only has the word of Darth Nyriss been retconned a long time ago, twice in fact, it has also officially beeb declared to be not canon.

On topic: Palpatine leveling the Imperial Palace just by thinking about it.

Originally posted by Azronger
Is this still really going on? Not only has the word of Darth Nyriss been retconned a long time ago, twice in fact, it is also not canon.
Nonsense.

Tell that to TORE, TOR Codex, and Force and Destiny. Canon > you.

Originally posted by Azronger
On topic: Palpatine leveling the Imperial Palace just by thinking about it.
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Originally posted by Azronger
Tell that to TORE, TOR Codex, and Force and Destiny. Canon > you.
They do not overrule the possibility of mental domination of participants during the ritual.

As I pointed out earlier, the ritual spanned 10 days straight in duration. That is a lot of time to mentally enslave the participants, even gradually.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
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Fury boiled his blood at the thought of waiting any longer. The rage called for release, and the Emperor knew that with a thought he could destroy his opulent office. He could crack the building's foundation, rain rubble on the heads of those unlucky beings trapped within. He could, with the full power of his anger, unleash a fireball of death.

-Rebel Force: Target

This is the Imperial Palace:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/0a/Imperialpalace1.png/revision/latest?cb=20060205202151

So he didn't actually think he could destroy the palace, just his office and the foundations.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My point is that one account does not retcons the other.

Thousands of Sith would have participated in the ritual on their own accord but this does not dismisses the possibility that Vitiate telepathically enslaved them at a later stage of the ritual.

The ritual in question lasted 10 days. That is a lot of time to enslave participants. Mentally dominating someone in the middle of a ritual and mentally dominating them under standard circumstances are too very different things. In fact, the ritual itself appears to dissolve the minds (and free will) of those involved into a single consciousness.

Originally posted by Azronger
Fury boiled his blood at the thought of waiting any longer. The rage called for release, and the Emperor knew that with a thought he could destroy his opulent office. He could crack the building's foundation, rain rubble on the heads of those unlucky beings trapped within. He could, with the full power of his anger, unleash a fireball of death.

-Rebel Force: Target

This is the Imperial Palace:
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/0a/Imperialpalace1.png/revision/latest?cb=20060205202151
Ah, you mean that one.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Mentally dominating someone in the middle of a ritual and mentally dominating them under standard circumstances are too very different things. In fact, the ritual itself appears to dissolve the minds (and free will) of those involved into a single consciousness.
mmm

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B/W A quality post from you after a long time. Not convinced yet, but credit where due.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Mentally dominating someone in the middle of a ritual and mentally dominating them under standard circumstances are too very different things. In fact, the ritual itself appears to dissolve the minds (and free will) of those involved into a single consciousness.

Very good point. The thought bomb - which was based on the Nathema ritual - had a similar effect on its participants.

Yet Kaan still needed to dominate the Sith into performing the Thought Bomb.

He didn't dominate anyone.

He dominated them all into agreeing to it. Githany and Kopecz were caught up in it but managed to shake out of his influence in time to escape the ritual.

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Githany knew there was something very wrong with Lord Kaan. She had suspected something was amiss when they had fled the arriving Jedi reinforcements. When they landed back at camp, Kaan had disappeared into the communications tent, then reappeared moments later and gone into his own tent without speaking a word. But when he emerged from his tent, the irresistible force of his charisma was back in place. He came to them then not as a defeated leader seeking to make amends but as a conquering hero, defiant and unbowed. He stood proud, the picture of might and glory.

He spoke to them, his voice strong and his words bold, radiating authority. He spoke of leading them in a joining of their minds, a ritual that would far surpass the one Bane had led them in only hours earlier. He told them of a terrible weapon they would unleash against their foes. He rekindled their faith and hope by revealing the existence of the thought bomb.

He had promised them victory, as he had done so many times before. And, as they had always done in the past, the Brotherhood had followed him once again. Followed him here to this cave, though Githany wasn't sure if it was more accurate to say they had been led-or lured.

She had followed him along with everyone else, compelled by the passion of his words and the sheer magnitude of his personality and presence. All thoughts that he might be unstable or unfit to lead them had been forgotten in the heady pilgrimage through the night to the shelter of this cave. Once they reached their destination, though, the exhilarating rush had faded away, replaced by a stark and undeniable clarity. And she had finally seen the truth revealed in the illumination of the glow rods reflected in the crystals of the cavern walls.

Kaan's appearance and garb weren't unusual, apart from the dust, grime, and blood of the recent battle. But now Githany could see a crazed look in his eyes; they were wide and wild and shone with a fierce intensity, sparkling as brightly as the crystal shards all around them. Those eyes brought back memories of the night she had surprised Kaan in his tent. The night she had seen her vision of Bane's return.

He had looked disheveled and frantic, lost and confused. For a brief moment she had glimpsed him as he truly was: a false prophet, unable to see past his own delusions. And then the flickering vision had disappeared, forgotten until this instant.

Now, however, the memory came flooding back, and Githany knew she was following a madman. The arrival of the Jedi reinforcements and the shocking defeat had caused something inside him to snap. Kaan was leading them to their doom, and none of the others could sense it.

She didn't dare to speak out against him. Not here in this cave, surrounded by his once again fanatically loyal followers. She wanted to sneak away, slip quietly off into the darkness beyond the radiance of the glow rods, and escape this horrible fate. But she was caught up by the crush of bodies that surged forward at Kaan's command.


And so on

None of that implies domination, whatsoever.

The start of it perfectly describes the effects of his mental influence. Earlier he does the same thing on Githany when she starts to doubt him and then suddenly he begins radiating charisma and she floods her panties over him.

Influence != domination.

No shit, its almost as if Kaan is a gnat to Vitiate. Obviously the comparison wouldn't be perfect between the two.

And Kaan influencing the Ruusan Sith is not proof that Vitiate dominated the Nathema Sith.

I'm not the one who brought it up, it was just a highly ironic and amusing foible.

Because that was Kaan's thing, we know that according to the SWTORE, they agreed willingly. Rather irrelevant all in all, as anything but a demonstration of how easily an agreeable mind can be swayed.

It's stated that all the Brotherhood were highly trained mentally, actually.

Unless you meant the Nathema thing, heh. Swtore doesn't contradict him dominating them.

Exactly, and yet one powerful, but hardly extremely powerful, individual was able to control what, one hundred of them?

And only for those who lack basic comprehension skills.

That isn't mental domination. All the passage describes is Kaan being extremely charismatic. I mean, even some people in real life could sway millions to their side with only words and promises (Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill), just like Kaan is now promising them victory via the thought bomb. It's a simple concept, really.

Originally posted by Azronger
That isn't mental domination. All the passage describes is Kaan being extremely charismatic. I mean, even some people in real life could sway millions to their side with only words and promises (Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill), just like Kaan is now promising them victory via the thought bomb. It's a simple concept, really.



Kaan used mental control to force the Brotherhood into doing what he said, despite that he claimed to be no more equal than any of them. The "charisma" is what his control looks like to it's victims. If you'd read the book you'd know that. Like I said, he clearly uses that on Githany after she surprises him in his tent (when he wasn't using it she's stunned at how bad he looks then when he starts using it she suddenly flips to worshiping him) and the passage I posted directly links to that moment. He also attempts it on Bane, but he resists it. And during the Force Storm ritual he influences the minds of the participants into breaking the ritual.

Kyp implying he could drag the Sun Crusher out of Yavin solo.

Originally posted by Nephthys


Kaan used mental control to force the Brotherhood into doing what he said, despite that he claimed to be no more equal than any of them. The "charisma" is what his control looks like to it's victims. If you'd read the book you'd know that. Like I said, he clearly uses that on Githany after she surprises him in his tent (when he wasn't using it she's stunned at how bad he looks then when he starts using it she suddenly flips to worshiping him) and the passage I posted directly links to that moment. He also attempts it on Bane, but he resists it. And during the Force Storm ritual he influences the minds of the participants into breaking the ritual.

Just because he attempted to dominate Bane doesn't mean he dominated the entire Brotherhood. And just because he forced their minds out of the ritual, again, doesn't mean he has the ability to dominate them. Minor influence is the most he could do to them as a collective.