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TPM Maul, prime Senya. Battle takes place in Theed Palace on Naboo.

Round 1: Lightsabers
Round 2: Force
Round 3: All out

Maul dies.
Seriously speaking, Maul wins every round, every time

Maul thrashes her; his Force power's closer to that of Obi-Wan, Shaak Ti, and Zakuulan Exarchs, and his lightsaber skills prop him up to Tyranus' tier as an overall combatant.

Force doesn't matter since Sneya has already managed to resist a far superior force user in Vaylin. I'd say they're pretty even as lightsaber combatants. All out I could see going either way. Leaning Senya overall.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Force doesn't matter since Sneya has already managed to resist a far superior force user in Vaylin. I'd say they're pretty even as lightsaber combatants. All out I could see going either way. Leaning Senya overall. I'm just saying he's not weak enough to get fodderized (and more in the tier of someone she'd "never want to cross", and has some exceptional dueling feats.

Yep.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Force doesn't matter since Sneya has already managed to resist a far superior force user in Vaylin. I'd say they're pretty even as lightsaber combatants. All out I could see going either way. Leaning Senya overall. ...What made you come to the conclusion that Maul is less powerful then Senya?

Vaylin hasn't impressed me, all talk, no feats, unimpressive asf.

I'm also not willing to take Lana's word that the Outlander and her couldn't take Vaylin at the time.

On a sidenote, her showing against the Zakuul knights didn't impress me either.

Didn't say he was less powerful just that Force shouldn't matter here.

Destroying the upper part of a skyscraper and throwing its debris is impressive imo.

Whyever not?

Whyever not?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Didn't say he was less powerful just that Force shouldn't matter here.

Destroying the upper part of a skyscraper and throwing its debris is impressive imo.

Whyever not?

Whyever not?
Fair enough.

Fair Enough.

I don't think Lana knows how powerful Outlander really is.

Zakuul knights are just that, featless Zakuul knights.

Maul probably takes it in an amazing fight, unless Senya becomes even more badass in KotET.

Ik those are stupid reasons, but meh.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Fair enough.

Fair Enough.

I don't think Lana knows how powerful Outlander really is.

Zakuul knights are just that, featless Zakuul knights.

She already knows the Outlander so she should have a pretty good idea.

A Zakuul knight has defeated Lana in a lightsaber fight while two Knights have manipulated half a dozen big plates, everything but featless.

I like both of them, but they're both failures... Senya sweeps. She is less of a failure.

Oh wait, it's TPM Maul, Senya might take it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Force doesn't matter since Sneya has already managed to resist a far superior force user in Vaylin. I'd say they're pretty even as lightsaber combatants. All out I could see going either way. Leaning Senya overall. Whose best combative feat is throwing a bit of metal at her mother.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Oh wait, it's TPM Maul, Senya might take it. Didn't notice that; Senya might take sabers.

I mean, her best feat is taking down Vaylin in lightsaber combat, but Vaylin is more known for her force abilities.

Vaylin has collapsed part of a skyscraper so that's a bit more then "a piece of metal"

Outside of combat yeah, there is no evidence to suggest she can bring that level of power to bear in a fight.

Maul, lmao.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I don't think Lana knows how powerful Outlander really is.

Zakuul knights are just that, featless Zakuul knights.

Fair enough. But haven't they interacted before?

They're the equal of the Jedi and Sith in the TOR era so it's an impressive showing regardless.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Outside of combat yeah, there is no evidence to suggest she can bring that level of power to bear in a fight.

Why wouldn't she?

Why didn't she you mean, considering she failed to ragdoll Senya where Heskel one shotted. Maybe because she's young, experienced and still gaining control over her powers?

Or maybe Senya simply has a prodigious force barrier similar to Kas'im another extremely skilled duelist who aren't themselves devoted force practitioners.

Right.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why didn't she you mean, considering she failed to ragdoll Senya where Heskel one shotted. Maybe because she's young, experienced and still gaining control over her powers?

Because she couldn't ragdoll Senya obviously, Heskal ambushed her.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Or maybe Senya simply has a prodigious force barrier similar to Kas'im another extremely skilled duelist who aren't themselves devoted force practitioners. Sounds more likely that Vaylin was too distracted to use TK optimally.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Heskal ambushed her. While she was combat ready, and expecting an attack. Oh the excuses.

'Cause that's what happens when you have to worry about getting stabbed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
While she was combat ready, and expecting an attack. Oh the excuses.

Yeah because there were other scions there to, Heskal was far from alone which logically means her focus was divided.

Who cares? He still broke through her defenses and KO'ed her.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who cares?

Anybody who cares to accurately assess a character? Lmao.

Alright, Syn, sorry I insulted Senya while you were jacking off to her.

You are forgiven.

Thanks, Maul still sweeps tho.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Who cares? He still broke through her defenses and KO'ed her.

Because she's caught off guard and so can't mount a proper defense in time?

That's the case for the vast majority of ragdoll instances, he still had to break her shields first to pull it off.

Altogether it doesn't make a very compelling case for Senya have e88t-tier Force defenses.

Best edit that before you look like any more like a major scrub then you already do, Mr. E88t.

that was deliberate you fugg

:uhuh:

Maul should sweep.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That's the case for the vast majority of ragdoll instances, he still had to break her shields first to pull it off.

Altogether it doesn't make a very compelling case for Senya have e88t-tier Force defenses.

No he hadn't, her defenses weren't focused on him. The fact that Vaylin, probably a superior Force user compared to Maul, did everything she could in her fight against Senya and yet still didn't attack her directly speakes volumes, it's a far better way to judge her defenses then some vague situation.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
No he hadn't, her defenses weren't focused on him.Unless your about to argue she was defenceless DD, you really don't have a point. And now you're just shooting yourself in the foot, if "everything she could" amounts to lifting up a bit of metal and throwing it, we come full circle i.e. Vaylin is simply not a very good Force combatant.

He's arguing her focus was diverted between multiple sources and thus her overall defense was weaker.

Which still means Heskel would have had to break her defenses, quite.

It would mean he'd have to break through much weaker then normal defenses.

That's a pretty arbitary claim to make, ngl.

Regardless, but all accounts Vaylin is much more powerful than Heskel, and he knocked Senya out. So Vaylin should be at the very least able to grip Senya if given the opportunity and/or had full grasp over her powers.

But the bottomline is we never see Senya defend against Vaylin's Force powers with her own, and her performance against Heskel does nothing to substantiate your claim.

Weird you don't apply the same principle to Assoka

I do these days, and because of it, everyone else will suffer.

I'm going to make this short because you actually managed to make me lose my patience. Senya's defenses are diverted because she's (trying) to focus on multiple sources, so her defenses aren't comparable to the ones she can put up in a 1 vs 1 situation. Let me even give you another example, in S4 from TCW Savage manages to defeat Obi-Wan in a few blows because he latter had to devide his focus between Maul and Savage (unless you're willing to argue that Savage >>> Obi-Wan and thus Maul >>>>> Obi-Wan because he stomped Savage).

Lelelelel, don't bust a hernia on my account.

Aside from your trollop example though I've addressed all of that already.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That's a pretty arbitary claim to make, ngl.

Regardless, but all accounts Vaylin is much more powerful than Heskel, and he knocked Senya out. So Vaylin should be at the very least able to grip Senya if given the opportunity and/or had full grasp over her powers.

But the bottomline is we never see Senya defend against Vaylin's Force powers with her own, and her performance against Heskel does nothing to substantiate your claim.

Not a claim as it's a pretty common occurrence in Star Wars. Regardless who's to say Vaylin has full control of her powers by this point?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lelelelel, don't bust a hernia on my account.

Aside from your trollop example though I've addressed all of that already.

You've adressed nothing, you just denied it while my "trollop example" only reinforces my argument, so yes I accept your concession.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Not a claim as it's a pretty common occurrence in Star Wars. Regardless who's to say Vaylin has full control of her powers by this point? 1. And which of these occurrences proves the decline in defence is dramatic?

2. Her lacklustre TK attack against Senya?

Stalemate. When the fighting ends, no one will continue fighting.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Unless your about to argue she was defenceless DD, you really don't have a point. And now you're just shooting yourself in the foot, if "everything she could" amounts to lifting up a bit of metal and throwing it, we come full circle i.e. Vaylin is simply not a very good Force combatant.
A bit of metal? LMAO

https://i.imgur.com/Ca9ARgV.mp4

Sorry, a fairly large bit of metal.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. And which of these occurrences proves the decline in defence is dramatic?

2. Her lacklustre TK attack against Senya?

Kanan and the Inquisitors. When he's facing both of them at once his focus is diverted and the SS is able to choke him despite later engagements ending as stalemates until other external factors came into play.

Yes. Not to mention it's her own mother she's fighting so she's obviously going to be emotionally conflicted.

Because he got stronger.

Bingo.

To the point he closes a gap that's supposedly substantial enough for him to get choked despite only having minimally weakened defenses? :/

Cool.

Alright, I'm off to school.

Maul
Senya wrecks
Eh, probably Senya since she'll probably ragdoll him before he closes the distance

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
To the point he closes a gap that's supposedly substantial enough for him to get choked despite only having minimally weakened defenses? :/

Cool.

Alright, I'm off to school. I hope u miss ur bus.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Senya wrecks
Eh, probably Senya since she'll probably ragdoll him before he closes the distance Whatever you say.

In fact, it's mentioned somewhere in the Plagueis novel that Maul isn't as good a lightsaber combatant as he deems himself (although he's definitely a cut above the rest), and Senya hasn't exhibited any impressive TK feats other than ragdolling the Outlander (who arguably didn't expect it from one of their allies) and countering Vaylin's TK (which she might've accomplished by distracting her, thanks to having the upper hand in terms of lightsabers).

Senya ragolling the Outlander is more than a good enough feat to support her shitting on Maul

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Senya ragolling the Outlander is more than a good enough feat to support her shitting on Maul Yeah; no. Her advantage lies in lightsaber combat.

As the "Betrayal" trailer demonstrates.

Originally posted by Geistalt
As the "Betrayal" trailer demonstrates.

Tbh her showings in it were impressive, but not enough for me to put her solidly above Maul as of yet.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Tbh her showings in it were impressive, but not enough for me to put her solidly above Maul as of yet. Well, if anything, she should be stronger there.

Not seeing it atm. I personally need to see more stuff from her to make a solid estimate of her saber prowess, but casually taking out all those Scions (I think they were Scions?) does give me a good idea of how she'd do. It would be a good fight, but Maul still probably wins sabers IMO. Why don't you see her taking Force?

Lifting boulders is not comparable to using the Force offensively against a Force user who themself are stronger than Maul.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Lifting boulders is not comparable to using the Force offensively against a Force user who themself are stronger than Maul. And when did Senya do that?

And, for that matter, did she do it without a gesture?

It looked way more impressive in Maul's pre-TPM respect thread, by the way.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Senya ragolling the Outlander is more than a good enough feat to support her shitting on Maul

I'm trying to find where she did that and am coming up short. Which chapter was that?

Lana ragdolls Maul too tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Outside of combat yeah, there is no evidence to suggest she can bring that level of power to bear in a fight.
I hope you apply these standards to Vader.

Originally posted by Nephthys
LMAO!

Senya helped lift a capital ship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA63Q72Iunk&index=6&list=PLMpNwDjXWh0y8XI-AYi7BpNIjfm2-dc3J

6.40 onwards I played the game, its thrusters were already active (meaning it only needed to be lifted the first few however many meters, since it wasn't in an ideal situation for lifting off), she had to see it and make a physical gesture, and she did that with the help of Lana (and probably the Outlander too, tbh).

I'd side with Maul honestly.

Originally posted by Geistalt
I played the game, its thrusters were already active (meaning it only needed to be lifted the first few however many meters, since it wasn't in an ideal situation for lifting off), she had to see it and make a physical gesture, and she did that with the help of Lana (and probably the Outlander too, tbh).

Its thrusters only start after a bit, we see them starting up. Regardless of how long they had to lift it for, lifting it at all is hundreds of times superior to lifting a rock.

Originally posted by Geistalt
I played the game, its thrusters were already active (meaning it only needed to be lifted the first few however many meters, since it wasn't in an ideal situation for lifting off), she had to see it and make a physical gesture, and she did that with the help of Lana (and probably the Outlander too, tbh).

And on a nexus. Bane would be proud.

Lana and the Outlander were probably carrying her too.

Yeah, but Senya's >>> Beniko so she and the Outlander were probably carrying most of it.

I found the "ragdolling" feat, it's in Chapter 8. Underwhelming to say the least, it's just Senya pushing an unsuspecting Outlander who was preparing to duel with Vaylin. The distance she threw him is pretty good, but not exactly what I would call an impressive combat feat. It's inferior to Maul force pushing Kenobi across a tunnel while Kenobi was combat ready.

Perhaps I spoke too soon. Upon reviewing both feats I mentioned above, they are very similar, with Senya and Maul force pushing a saber ready opponent. But I have to say, that while Kenobi was going on the offensive against Maul and got promptly sent flying, the Outlander was about to defend against Vaylin's lightsaber attack, which I think is the key difference. The Outlander was clearly not preparing to defend against a force attack, much less one from the unexpected Senya.

I think Silver mentioned in a debate once that landing force pushes against opponents during battle isn't a distinct showing of telekinetic dominance, to which I agree. Maul has shown to break through Kenebi's defense multiple times however, while Senya is limited to this instance.

Senya's good, but Maul is just better imo.

B U M P

Maul, solidly

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Oh wait, it's TPM Maul, Senya might take it.
Not this?

Senya

Any incarnation of Maul would win. Senya's more of a Qui-Gon class.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Not this?

Back then I was in my "Senya wank" fase

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Any incarnation of Maul would win. Senya's more of a Qui-Gon class.

Nah. With KotFE out she's above that. Plus her Gravestone feat is incredible.

I wa amazed yeah.

Maul lost to TPM Obi wan, couldn't land a strike on a dog, and lost to Kanan Jarrus. Senya probably takes this