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2. Sabers
3. All-out

Kota might edge it tbh.

Shan stomps.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Shan stomps. Why does she stomp, exactly?

Kota is trash.

Satele

Satele.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Kota is trash. Not according to every feat and accolade from him.

Tearing apart a giant space station is no joke.

Shan, lmao.

Shan hasn't done anything on the level of Kota, honestly.

She's an equal to Marr who was above Nox after her defeat of Thanaton.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
She's an equal to Marr who was above Nox after her defeat of Thanaton. Where is that stated?

Ant has it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Ant has it. Yeah, not saying I don't believe you.

Here's Satele's respect thread: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/satele-shan-respect-thread/103104/

"After my defeat, I sought an ally to make things right again. But only one in all the galaxy was my equal. We met on this world. We argued, explored... and found an understanding."
―Darth Marr (Star Wars: The Old Republic)

Don't see why it would mean combative equal.

Kota dies.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Ant has it. I assume it's this:

"With his humanity long forgotten and his face unseen, Marr's inner thoughts are impossible to determine. But his desire to leave a strong Empire behind him is unquestioned, and his abilities are second to none."

--Darth Marr Codex Entry

That's true, but Shan is not his combative equal

That was more in relation to Marr > Nox. Though hardly convinced it's the case.

Why not?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I assume it's this:

"With his humanity long forgotten and his face unseen, Marr's inner thoughts are impossible to determine. But his desire to leave a strong Empire behind him is unquestioned, and his abilities are second to none."

--Darth Marr Codex Entry

Yes.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
explored... and found an understanding.

I ship it.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/840dd6ed2d1171edc2ffcc0a0e1abd25/tumblr_o8h18j1Jrx1ublm4eo1_500.jpg

Lmao. There really is fanart.

There always is.

I think there's actually an Internet rule addressing that. Although that might be for porn.

It's called rule 34 Syn, and I'm sure you know all about it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That was more in relation to Marr > Nox. Though hardly convinced it's the case.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Why not?

Nox has better feats and "abilities" is rather vague.

So then Wredd > Krayt? It's called powerscaling

And Marr utter stomping the living shit out of Lachris, who was a mid game 'Thor boss (and as per the story she needed to take Zenith with her, iirc), is a good enough start for the accolde to hold water.

Lol, because that's what I said.

Meh, his domination of Thanaton strikes me as more impressive.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol, because that's what I said.

Laugh all you want, it is what you implied.

Is Anoon not one of the best duelists pre-TPM only because he doesn't have feats?

Is Tenebrous' master not one of the most powerful shit ever only because he doesn't have feats?

If you dismiss every accolade when they are not backed by feats then all of them are useless and we revert back to feats only approach (and that's some Syn level retardation btw).

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Meh, his domination of Thanaton strikes me as more impressive.

Nox had to beat Thanaton down first to dominate him. It was you who most vehemently argued the same once, I recall.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Laugh all you want, it is what you implied.

Is Anoon not one of the best duelists pre-TPM only because he doesn't have feats?

Is Tenebrous' master not one of the most powerful shit ever only because he doesn't have feats?

If you dismiss every accolade when they are not backed by feats then all of them are useless and we revert back to feats only approach (and that's some Syn level retardation btw).I dismissed the accolade because it is vague, and I have Nox above Marr because his feats are better, yeah.
I meant in a general sense, Nox sent Thanaton packing on Corellia despite the latter having Darth Kallous and two cyborg Sith to back him up, and according to the SWTORE "utterly destroys" him on Kaas. He may have had to beat him down to straight up ragdoll him as he did, but it's evident Nox massively outclassed him regardless. I'm not seeing any evidence that Marr can claim the same.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I dismissed the accolade because it is vague, and I have Nox above Marr because his feats are better, yeah.

What's vague about it? Do you think they are refering to his cooking abilities?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I meant in a general sense, Nox sent Thanaton packing on Corellia despite the latter having Darth Kallous and two cyborg Sith to back him up, and according to the SWTORE "utterly destroys" him on Kaas. He may have had to beat him down to straight up ragdoll him as he did, but it's evident Nox massively outclassed him regardless. I'm not seeing any evidence that Marr can claim the same.

Uhm

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140132/4431403-darth+marr+lightning.png

This is years before Thanaton was elected to be a Dark Council member, though, IIRC.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
What's vague about it? Do you think they are refering to his cooking abilities?Could be, I was more thinking along the lines of strategic and leadership skills.What is this poorly sized image supposed to prove?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Could be, I was more thinking along the lines of strategic and leadership skills.

That's quite arbitrary. What do you base it on besides your lack of desire to put him above Act III Nox and Wrath?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What is this poorly sized image supposed to prove?

Marr oneshotting Thanaton.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
That's quite arbitrary. What do you base it on besides your lack of desire to put him above Act III Nox and Wrath?Whereas deciding it refers to power is not. mmm

And I base it on the fact that nobody was a match for him in that category, whereas his ability to overpower Nox in a fight is unproven, or Malgus, or the Dread Masters, or the Emperor for that matter.Sorry, all I see is him threatening a kid.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Whereas deciding it refers to power is not. mmm

Yes power, the most important thing in a sith empire.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And I base it on the fact that nobody was a match for him in that category, whereas his ability to overpower Nox in a fight is unproven, or Malgus, or the Dread Masters, or the Emperor for that matter.

Malgus is dead, the DMs turned on the Empire and the Emperor is presumed dead. Good try tho.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sorry, all I see is him threatening a kid.

Which is Thanaton...

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Yes power, the most important thing in a sith empire.Lol.Adding criteria to the accolade doesn't exactly help your point.Right, and Marr threatening to kill a kid Thanaton 30 years ago proves... what again?

Unfortunately, Beni is right. Marr is not as strong as the Wrath or Nox.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol.

You object?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Adding criteria to the accolade doesn't exactly help your point.

I'm not adding anything to it. The accolde comes from the time of RotHC when all the people you mentioned were not part of the Empire. So your attempt to dismiss the accolde based on arbitrarily adding people to it is a failure.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Right, and Marr threatening to kill a kid Thanaton 30 years ago proves... what again?

That he can oneshot him 30 years ago, are you this dense? Besides Marr's also the most powerful, and longest serving member of the Dark Council, so frankly nobody cares about your opinion that you can't see him beating Thanaton.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You object?Considering it was Marr's strategic and leadership abilities that led to the Empire's successes, not his sparkle hands, yes.My point is that you're eschewing a general reading by putting it into contexts, the contexts of Marr's desire to strengthen the Empire (which he did by providing strong leadership) only lending itself to my point.No but you certainly appear to be, given you've failed to prove why it's relevant now or that Marr was actually capable of one shotting him at all. That said you've also clearly got the wrong end of the stick, as I never claimed Marr could not beat Thanaton.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Considering it was Marr's strategic and leadership abilities that led to the Empire's successes, not his sparkle hands, yes.

Which he did as a frontline warrior, as repeatedly noted

Originally posted by Beniboybling
My point is that you're eschewing a general reading by putting it into contexts, the contexts of Marr's desire to strengthen the Empire (which he did by providing strong leadership) only lending itself to my point.

Considering the Codex entry doesn't once mentioned his leadership skills, but it mentioned his fighting skills I find that hard to believe.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No but you certainly appear to be, given you've failed to prove why it's relevant now or that Marr was actually capable of one shotting him at all. That said you've also clearly got the wrong end of the stick, as I never claimed Marr could not beat Thanaton.

Nox only stomped an already defeated Thanaton, if Marr can defeat him, then he can stomp him afterwards.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Which he did as a frontline warrior, as repeatedly noted In the past, where he was outclassed by people like Malgus. Within the contexts the entry is made he's sitting on his ass while people like Nox and the Wrath do the heavy lifting, something the entry itself notes.It states his intentions to leave behind a strong Empire, from which you appear to have inferred means him being second to none refers to loyal Imperials alone, yet not what he was actually doing to strengthen the Empire at the time?He did more than that, as I've already explained he demonstrated gross superiority over him, you haven't proven Marr could do the same.

First of all, use ****ing line breaks in your posts. It's a pain to quote it you phag.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
In the past, where he was outclassed by people like Malgus.

On what ground is Malgus outclassing him? And what does Malgus has to do with this, we are talking about Nox (and the Wrath).

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Within the contexts the entry is made he's sitting on his ass while people like Nox and the Wrath do the heavy lifting, something the entry itself notes.

What of it. So was Yoda, and Sidious, and Ben and the list goes on.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It states his intentions to leave behind a strong Empire, from which you appear to have inferred means him being second to none refers to loyal Imperials alone, yet not what he was actually doing to strengthen the Empire at the time?

And who says they are in the same context? The codex were listing things about Marr. His dedication to the Empire, and that his abilities were second to none. Beside being in the same sentence they have nothing to do with each other, it's called a list.

For the second time. What the codex actually talks about: His battlefield prowess, what it doesn't talk about: his leadership skills. And leadership is hardly the only way to leave a stronger empire behind.

Also how ****ing awkward is to phrase his leadership skills that way...You are just reading into the quote.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
He did more than that, as I've already explained he demonstrated gross superiority over him, you haven't proven Marr could do the same.

I have, you just didn't care. Act II 'thor being in the oneshot range for Marr certainly proves that to me.