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1. Sabers
2. Force
3. All-Out

Luke sweeps, or he might lose sabers.

I can see a case being made for either taking it, tbh.

Obi-Wan. Fully trained Jedi Master in his prime, more experienced. Ben would be more fair challange for Luke.

Yeah Luke might not be able to power through Kenobi's defenses, not when Vader couldn't.

Either way.

Obi Wan-shots

Luke in all.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Either way.

Obi Wan sweeps, Luke is nowhere near a fully trained Jedi Master level in ROTJ, he only was able to contend with Vader because Vader was holding back.

Originally posted by relentless1
Luke is nowhere near a fully trained Jedi Master level in ROTJ,

He doesn't need to be though given he has far more potential and raw power than Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by relentless1
Obi Wan sweeps, Luke is nowhere near a fully trained Jedi Master level in ROTJ, he only was able to contend with Vader because Vader was holding back. Thats not confirmed.

In fact, the opposite is claimed, saying that Luke and Vader are equals as of ROTJ.

watch the movie guys, Movie statements > statements anywhere else. Yoda flat out says that Luke training was incomplete and that he's not ready to face Vader.

Originally posted by relentless1
watch the movie guys, Movie statements > statements anywhere else. Yoda flat out says that Luke training was incomplete and that he's not ready to face Vader. And feats > statements.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Either way.

Anyways, according to the EU (the continuity we're debating over), which did show that Vader was at his all-time high, giving his full effort, Luke still won regardless, because he was just that powerful/potent.

Kenobi in all.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He doesn't need to be though given he has far more potential and raw power than Obi-Wan. You only care about power and seem to gloss over skill and experience as if they don't matter. You're lost.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You only care about power and seem to gloss over skill and experience as if they don't matter. You're lost. I'm not arguing on his behalf, and it's not as if that's the only thing that matters to me, but it is the main reason Luke won.

Originally posted by Geistalt
I'm not arguing on his behalf, and it's not as if that's the only thing that matters to me, but it is the main reason Luke won. Vader's lack of mobility and being out of his prime also mattered.

Originally posted by relentless1
watch the movie guys, Movie statements > statements anywhere else. Yoda flat out says that Luke training was incomplete and that he's not ready to face Vader. ...In ESB.

In ROTJ, Ben and Yoda push Luke to fight Vader.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
...In ESB.

In ROTJ, Ben and Yoda push Luke to fight Vader.


To be fair though neither of them said "right now". Just that this was his Ultimate mission. Since Yoda was dying, and Ben's communication with Luke were few and far between, it was important for them to tell him that.

Fact is though, as of ROTJ, there's no way Luke could have taken a Vader going all out with his TK.

^ exactly

Originally posted by Jmanghan
...In ESB.

In ROTJ, Ben and Yoda push Luke to fight Vader.

Luke: unfortunate that I know the truth?

Yoda: no, unfortunate that you rush to face him...that not complete was your training!

- Return of the Jedi

Originally posted by Darth Thor
To be fair though neither of them said "right now". Just that this was his Ultimate mission. Since Yoda was dying, and Ben's communication with Luke were few and far between, it was important for them to tell him that.

Fact is though, as of ROTJ, there's no way Luke could have taken a Vader going all out with his TK. You never know what the facts are that's always been your biggest problem.