Proof That the SWTOR Protagonists Aren't Equally Powerful Combatants

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Geistalt

Geistalt
This disparity might be mitigated by the fact that the Hero of Tython fought (for the most part) on dark side nexuses for endgame, Chapter 3, and group content fights.

Then there's the (perceived) power gap between the Barsen'thor and Darth Nox, although you should keep in mind that the Barsen'thor was hindered in the Force 'til the end of Chapter 1.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
That quote proves nothing.

Geistalt
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
That quote proves nothing. It proves that the Hero of Tython's feats were > those of the Emperor's Wrath and the Barsen'thor (at the time).

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
What? How does the quote prove that? The Dark Council members not wanting to cross Vitiate's right hand man doesn't necessarily mean Scourge > all Dark Councillors, lol.

Geistalt
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
What? How does the quote prove that? The Dark Council members not wanting to cross Vitiate's right hand man doesn't necessarily mean Scourge > all Dark Councillors, lol. The Wrath's best feat was double-teaming Darth Vengean (with the help of Lord Draahg), while the Barsen'thor's was beating Blaesus.

DarthAnt66
You realize the quote listed doesn't apply to any of the protagonists, right?

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nope, the Barsen'thor's best feat was defeating Vivicar while severely weakened. Draahg was almost useless in that fight. And I have no reason to believe that any of this makes HoT > the other protags.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You realize the quote listed doesn't apply to any of the protagonists, right?

He's saying that the quote means beating Scourge > any of the other protag's feats up till that point.

Geistalt
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nope, the Barsen'thor's best feat was defeating Vivicar while severely weakened. Draahg was almost useless in that fight. And I have no reason to believe that any of this makes HoT > the other protags. The fact of the matter is that the Wrath needed help (or was instructed to accept it) to defeat a Dark Council member, whereas the Hero of Tython defeated someone closer to Marr's tier with less (if any) help.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You say that as if we really know how powerful Vengean is. He could also be, "closer to Marr tier" for all we know. And yeah, the Hero presumably had Kira at his side.

Geistalt
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You say that as if we really know how powerful Vengean is. He could also be, "closer to Marr tier" for all we know. And yeah, the Hero presumably had Kira at his side. And the Wrath (equally presumably) had Jaesa.

Geistalt
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You say that as if we really know how powerful Vengean is. He could also be, "closer to Marr tier" for all we know. Closer to Marr than himself? Logic phail there.

That was just meant to be a modest way of saying "Lord Scourge is more than capable of slaughtering run-of-the-mill Dark Council members (like Vengean)."

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
We don't know if Vengean is a run of the mill Dark Council member or not, lol. Given that he was Baras' master, and seemingly implied to be more powerful than him at the time, I'd say he's more than a run of the mill DCM.

darthbane77
This quote is in reference to Lord Scourge, not The Wrath II.

XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He knows.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You say that as if we really know how powerful Vengean is. He could also be, "closer to Marr tier" for all we know. And yeah, the Hero presumably had Kira at his side. You could also say the same for the Scourge fight erm

Or any canonical fights in the HoT's story.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by darthbane77
This quote is in reference to Lord Scourge, not The Wrath II.

Not that it matters, given that it's equally true in regards to the second Wrath.

MythLord
That quote is irrelevant.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by MythLord
That quote is irrelevant. Why?

MythLord
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Why?

Because no Dark Councillar would want to cross Vitiate's MVP; that doesn't mean HoT or Scourge are > the Dark Councilors.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by MythLord
Because no Dark Councillar would want to cross Vitiate's MVP; that doesn't mean HoT or Scourge are > the Dark Councilors. ...What Dark Councilor do you have above the HoT?...

MythLord
Originally posted by Jmanghan
...What Dark Councilor do you have above the HoT?...

None, actually. Not prime HoT, anyways. Nox is his equal, overall, though.

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