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Assuming you're using DCnU, so Mids. He's faster, and you know it

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Assuming you're using DCnU, so Mids. He's faster, and you know it

Hell, yeah!

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/MS_zpsm3smia22.jpg

That was kinda lame if you ask me.

Both these guys are overrated too.

Originally posted by Vanguard
That was kinda lame if you ask me.

Both these guys are overrated too.

Start giving reasoning for once.

Originally posted by Zack M
Start giving reasoning for once.

When Midnighter fights people that are actually popular he's not nearly as impressive.

And Mister X has been handled in just a couple moves by Iron Fist, Quick Silver etc. And by handled I mean actually laid the f*ck out.

Originally posted by Vanguard
When Midnighter fights people that are actually popular he's not nearly as impressive.

And Mister X has been handled in just a couple moves by Iron Fist, Quick Silver etc. And by handled I mean actually laid the f*ck out.

??? He had the upper hand on Dick Grayson (Whom stalemated Batman around the same time).

He kicked the crap out of the SUICIDE SQUAD. Which popular characters are you talking about?

Martian Manhunter.

Yeah, he found a weak point in him, but MM wasn't taking him seriously. Still, an impressive feat.

Also, RED LANTERNS!!

Originally posted by Zack M


He kicked the crap out of the SUICIDE SQUAD. Which popular characters are you talking about?

For Mister X. I was talking about Iron Fist and Quicksilver.

I know, but you included Midnighter, too. Only person he lost horrible to was Afterthought, but that guy can see 5 seconds into the future.

I forgot to mention, Midnighter also beat/killed Prometheus and this was with the top 20 fighters downloaded into him.

Originally posted by Zack M
I know, but you included Midnighter, too. Only person he lost horrible to was Afterthought, but that guy can see 5 seconds into the future.

I forgot to mention, Midnighter also beat/killed Prometheus and this was with the top 20 fighters downloaded into him.

Didn't Zealot do well against him also??

Originally posted by Vanguard
Didn't Zealot do well against him also??

Not DCnU Midnighter. That was Wildstorm Midnighter. Zealot is top tier, street wise, anyway.

How do their perceptive fighting abilities compare and contrast? Ive seen some crazy feats from both..

Originally posted by namorsubby
How do their perceptive fighting abilities compare and contrast? Ive seen some crazy feats from both..

Welcome back




They should cancel each other out sorta like what happened with Prometheus

Depends how you interpret their powers.

Mr X 'reads' thoughts, mapping the neural impulses. If you're about to hold three fingers up, he'll know.

Midnighter 'forces' moves, to get the result he wants (according to some interpretations). So sure, you may know he's about to hold three fingers up....but he's doing it because he wants you to say the number '3'.

Mr. X has a near perfect record.

If not for that one win.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends how you interpret their powers.

Mr X 'reads' thoughts, mapping the neural impulses. If you're about to hold three fingers up, he'll know.

Midnighter 'forces' moves, to get the result he wants (according to some interpretations). So sure, you may know he's about to hold three fingers up....but he's doing it because he wants you to say the number '3'.

Pretty much. I think it comes down to stats as opposed to "skill". Rolling with mids on this one

Meh, Mr. X's ability seems better in every possible way. I don't know what DCnU Midnighter's stats are though. People talk like he's a herald so...

Golgo keep doing your thang brah!

Originally posted by StyleTime
People talk like he's a herald so...

https://s4.postimg.org/dzr2e12ct/bner.png

Dick must be a skydaddy, then...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends how you interpret their powers.

Mr X 'reads' thoughts, mapping the neural impulses. If you're about to hold three fingers up, he'll know.

Midnighter 'forces' moves, to get the result he wants (according to some interpretations). So sure, you may know he's about to hold three fingers up....but he's doing it because he wants you to say the number '3'.

I wonder why he was unable to detect what Dick was about to do...

http://m.imgur.com/a/8C8OR

X would've dodged all of those attacks. Easily.

Happens again. He only gets an advantage "after" Dick enhancements backfires on him. Before that, he was getting curbed. No way is he beating X.

http://m.imgur.com/a/41zsG

If Lord Rand can't beat Midnighter, Mr. X certainly isn't.

Lord Rand can beat Midnighter though.

Originally posted by carver9
Lord Rand can beat Midnighter though.

You should all listen to this guy more.

Originally posted by carver9
I wonder why he was unable to detect what Dick was about to do...

http://m.imgur.com/a/8C8OR

X would've dodged all of those attacks. Easily.

Got to go on averages. Plus, Midnighter had the edge in that fight.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Meh, Mr. X's ability seems better in every possible way. I don't know what DCnU Midnighter's stats are though. People talk like he's a herald so...

Golgo keep doing your thang brah!

Ok, let's look at Mr. X's fight with a speedster who is inferior to the Flash (Quicksilver).

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/QS_zpsxxzxrvvn.jpg

And here is Midnighter's battle with a speedster who is almost as fast as the Flash.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SR_zpsprt1swih.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SR2_zpsmn2ojbfl.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/SR3_zpsd9qxppld.jpg

Better in almost every way, huh?

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/NCg_zps1ohin5rq.gif

Stupid. Midnighter isn't light speed for a second.

It's the same PIS that Slade and Batman benefit from.

Originally posted by Zack M
Ok, let's look at Mr. X's fight with a speedster who is inferior to the Flash (Quicksilver).

Better in almost every way, huh?

X's power, is better in almost every way.

What you're posting has to do with stats....which is why I made the comment about you making lopsided matches with people who match Flash level characters. Either Midnighter is being wanked, or you're making ridiculous threads.

Originally posted by StyleTime
X's power,is better in almost every way.

What you're posting has to do with stats....which is why I made the comment about you making lopsided matches with people who match Flash level characters. Either Midnighter is being wanked, or you're making ridiculous threads.

PART of it had to do with stats. PART. Most of it had to do with his computer brain, which is better than low level TP, IMO.

Ok, so let's say that's true. You got a guy mercing Flash level speedsters vs a guy who clearly tops out at low meta. Why make this match? Why not put Mids against some low herald or something?

Where is this guy supposed to be exactly?

I just remembered Mr. X getting owned by a low level speester.

Here is another question: Can Mr. X PROCESS millions of scenarios in less than a second?

Can Mr. X sense weak points in objects and top tier beings?

Martian Manhunter
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/MM_zpslba6ddsw.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/MM2_zps4jn5t1et.jpg

Apollo
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/AO_zpsqcoq5dmi.jpg

It seems to be his battle computer is a lot more versatile.

Here is Midnighter finding another weak spot:

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/WS_zpsaqneif79.jpg

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/WS2_zpsjrkcgq8s.jpg

Originally posted by StyleTime
Ok, so let's say that's true. You got a guy mercing Flash level speedsters vs a guy who clearly tops out at low meta. Why make this match? Why not put Mids against some low herald or something?

Where is this guy supposed to be exactly?

Because he is proud of being a troll.

http://i.imgur.com/ow1hlnp.jpg

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X chops his dick off and makes him eat it, lol.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://i.imgur.com/ow1hlnp.jpg

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X chops his dick off and makes him eat it, lol.

Ew.

I think midnighters high end exceeds Mr X. I think Mr X overall exceeds midnighters low end. Quite the conundrum. Still on the fence.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I think midnighters high end exceeds Mr X. I think Mr X overall exceeds midnighters low end. Quite the conundrum. Still on the fence.

The only time DCnU Midnighter lost, was when he fought Afterthought. A fighter who can see 5 seconds in the future. He'd destroy Mr. X, IMO.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/AT_zpsjbglm09a.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/AT2_zps3rjh9gck.jpg

Midnighter also killed Prometheus, who had the best fighters downloaded in his head:

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/PS_zpsst8ruopr.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/PS2_zpssftg8kdv.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Because he is proud of being a troll.
Seems so. He made bloodlusted Flash vs Ronan. Don't know why I'm surprised here.

As I said before, keep doing yo thang Prep.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Seems so. He made bloodlusted Flash vs Ronan. Don't know why I'm surprised here.

As I said before, keep doing yo thang Prep.

Well, now that I provided some scans, where would you rank Mids?

Please don't answer the troll.

Carver mad.

Midnighter(either version) outstats X by a large amount. Also, his battle computer is superior to X's tp, as X knows what you're about to do, but that's beatable as shown by QS just being too fast, and Danny using Drunken Fist.

Mids will know basically every single move X can and will make before he does, and he'll f*ck his day up as soon as he tries.

Just like he knew J'onn's moves?

The thing is, knowing what someone can do and being able to do anything about it are two different things. In this case, X doesn't have to do a thing except sit back and let Midnighter make all the first moves, and then counter them.

I think both would counter them for a bit, but Midnighter is stronger, faster, and has a more reliable battle computer.

Originally posted by carver9
Please don't answer the troll. Dont be such a hypocrite its embarrassing. Midnighter wins a solid majority

mr. x still getting all those accolades he doesn't deserve smh

midnighter still getting all those accolades he doesn't deserve smh

Originally posted by iceman24567
Dont be such a hypocrite its embarrassing. Midnighter wins a solid majority

Originally posted by cdtm
Just like he knew J'onn's moves?

The thing is, knowing what someone can do and being able to do anything about it are two different things. In this case, X doesn't have to do a thing except sit back and let Midnighter make all the first moves, and then counter them.


Hmmm. So normal human tries to block a full force kick from a guy who beats up legit superhumans and can find the weak point in his body which at this point is probably numerous after QS turned him into paste with a piece of rebar. Don't see that ending well for X. Also Midnighter moves fast enough that he shouldn't even be able to keep up.

^ Dick made him look like a novice.

Still clinging on that feat? So desperate.

Originally posted by Zack M
Still clinging on that feat? So desperate.

Agreed, the Quicksilver feat made sense, unlike the speedster garbage Midnighter did.

Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed, the Quicksilver feat made sense, unlike the speedster garbage Midnighter did.

Midnighter has super speed, though. Mr. X doesn't.

Originally posted by Zack M
Midnighter has super speed, though. Mr. X doesn't.

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/81736/1625280-reflecting_bullets2.jpg

DBZ moment against Taskmaster:

http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/2532/1628022-page_12.jpg

This is impossible! Scaling the cage so fast...

Originally posted by cdtm
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/81736/1625280-reflecting_bullets2.jpg

Should I be impressed? Here is Midnighter dodging most of Deadshot's gunfire. Someone with MUCH better aim than Black Widow. And he had to defeat the Suicide Squad at the same time.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/DS_zps8xmlu7ru.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/DS2_zpsavcmolpn.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/DS3_zpshn4lvzdw.jpg

Nushot*

"You'd be lucky for Batman". I love how Mids trolls everyone.

Aim dodging. Batman does it all the time without getting hit.

Not against Deadshot. DS has tagged him. Midnighter just dodged all his rounds, with his computer brain. While taking out a few members of the Suicide Squad, to boot.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
midnighter still getting all those accolades he doesn't deserve smh

Hey stilt. I didnt see u lurking there

X vs Widow? He explained in that fight that he knew where she'd aim, so he could pre-emptively block her bullets. Just move his sword right before she pulled the trigger.

That won't work against Mids.

Originally posted by KingD19
He explained in that fight that he knew where she'd aim

Don't recall them having that conversation.

But even with factoring that in, you still need ridiculous speed to block all those shots - she wasn't exactly doing breaks between firing each bullet, y'know.

And how do you want to explain X basically materializing right before Taskmaster? Same way?

How is this even a fight? Midnighter slaughters X.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How is this even a fight? Midnighter slaughters X.

Its cuz x beat logan that one time

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its cuz x beat logan that one time

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't recall them having that conversation.

But even with factoring that in, you still need ridiculous speed to block all those shots - she wasn't exactly doing breaks between firing each bullet, y'know.

And how do you want to explain X basically materializing right before Taskmaster? Same way?

No super speed, ZM.

Midnighter would blitz Tasky, too.

Originally posted by carver9
I wonder why he was unable to detect what Dick was about to do...

http://m.imgur.com/a/8C8OR

X would've dodged all of those attacks. Easily.

Hypnos implant. Right there in your own scan. Thanks for saving me the trouble. Plus, Mids was looking for info.

Lol not even sure WHY you're arguing, tbh. You obv think this is a spite thread against X, because you're calling Zack a troll.

So why argue for X? Attention seeking?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hypnos implant. Right there in your own scan. Thanks for saving me the trouble. Plus, Mids was looking for info.

Lol not even sure WHY you're arguing, tbh. You obv think this is a spite thread against X, because you're calling Zack a troll.

So why argue for X? Attention seeking? He obviously has a vendetta against the guy its childish

Originally posted by carver9
Happens again. He only gets an advantage "after" Dick enhancements backfires on him. Before that, he was getting curbed. No way is he beating X.

http://m.imgur.com/a/41zsG

Again, he was using his Hypnos implants. They didn't backfire on him...the God Garden shut them down.

Once they were offline, Mids curbed him. Do you even read, brah?

X does not have Hypnos implants. Not sure why you posted them.

Stat wise, Mids is, what.. Spidey level? About as fast, about as strong, about as durable?

And the battle computer is basically a chess engine applied for fighting?

if that's the case, I can see Mids winning via stats. I still think his BC is overrated as an "I win" button though, at least in an arena setting (Case in point, if he faced someone equally as fast and skilled, yet had an extra power that was unavoidable/undodgable, it shouldn't matter all that much if he predicts his opponents move to a T..)

It depends on how you interpret his powers.

See, as seen in the scan Zack showed with him vs Deadshot on the previous page...he sees the outcome he wants, and makes it happen.

Doesn't matter one jot that X can see what he's doing, and what he's planning...because Mids is essentially rigging the game so that he wins. Even of he tries to counter it, it would fail, because the counter is precisely what Mids wanted him to do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See, as seen in the scan Zack showed with him vs Deadshot on the previous page...he sees the outcome he wants, and makes it happen.

Doesn't matter one jot that X can see what he's doing, and what he's planning...because Mids is essentially rigging the game so that he wins. Even of he tries to counter it, it would fail, because the counter is precisely what Mids wanted him to do.

You really think Mids "wanted" to get shot, though?

If he was merely, say, Frank Castle level stat wise, do you think his game against Deadshot would've played out that way?

Majn point being, in a either/or scenario, there's only so far you can rig things. The battle computer wouldn't improve his odds on a coin toss, or a dice roll.

Both characters powers are laf. Take away tp and the bc and then make a thread.

Originally posted by cdtm
You really think Mids "wanted" to get shot, though?

If he was merely, say, Frank Castle level stat wise, do you think his game against Deadshot would've played out that way?

Majn point being, in a either/or scenario, there's only so far you can rig things. The battle computer wouldn't improve his odds on a coin toss, or a dice roll.

He would, if it means getting close enough to break his wrists
..he has a high tolerance to pain, and a pretty good HF on top.

Agree on the coin toss or dice roll. Unless there was a way to cheat..but in pure probability? I agree, nothing he can do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again, he was using his Hypnos implants. They didn't backfire on him...the God Garden shut them down.

Once they were offline, Mids curbed him. Do you even read, brah?

X does not have Hypnos implants. Not sure why you posted them.

Why didn't his battle computer counter the tactic though.?

Yeah, Mr. X doesn't have a similar attack that I know of.

Originally posted by carver9
Why didn't his battle computer counter the tactic though.?

Question: Do you know what Hypnos does? Clue: Its in the name.

Originally posted by cdtm
Aim dodging. Batman does it all the time without getting hit.

I have a nicer scan somewhere of his speed. Its quite a cool little feat.

Midnighter dies. He was taken out by a single hit from Grifter, with ease. Grifter is no Mr.X AND Mr.X read minds as well. Mr. X 10/10.

Grifters physicals' are way above X .

That TK is amazing! Scans of X using a TK punch

Btw, have you come to a conclusion as to what Hypnos does?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Grifters physicals' are way above X .

That TK is amazing! Scans of X using a TK punch

Btw, have you come to a conclusion as to what Hypnos does?

How much force did Grifter use in his punch?

He does have amazing tk. Too bad he wasn't trying to kill Mids. Why are you asking me if X have TK. Are you suggesting Grifter is more skilled than X? Are you also suggesting that X can't hurt Mids?

Have you come to the conclusion that the Battle computer isn't 100% accurate like you want it to be?

Originally posted by carver9
How much force did Grifter use in his punch?

He does have amazing tk. Too bad he wasn't trying to kill Mids. Why are you asking me if X have TK. Are you suggesting Grifter is more skilled than X? Are you also suggesting that X can't hurt Mids?

Have you come to the conclusion that the Battle computer isn't 100% accurate like you want it to be?

Enough to stagger Apollo earlier....or at least, he has enough to lift a whole forest including boulders, and dump it on someone.

Lol, because X cannot replicate a TK punch.

Have you even read any issues?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Enough to stagger Apollo earlier....or at least, he has enough to lift a whole forest including boulders, and dump it on someone.

Lol, because X cannot replicate a TK punch.

Have you even read any issues?

Lol...Guess what Batman has done?

are you suggesting Grifter hit him with forest level power? You're funny. What happened to that Battle computer? It should've stopped him from even being hit, right?

X doesn't need to replicate it. A good stab will suffice.

Then tell me, if you can, what percentage of his power he held back.

We know what his max can do.

What level did he almost KO Mids with? 50%? 70%? 10%? Scans, please.

I like how you've moved on from Grayson and Afterthought, though. Conceded, eh? Have you read the issues, then?

TK punches are activated at the speed of thought. When X can attack at the speed of thought, call me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then tell me, if you can, what percentage of his power he held back.

We know what his max can do.

What level did he almost KO Mids with? 50%? 70%? 10%? Scans, please.

I like how you've moved on from Grayson and Afterthought, though. Conceded, eh? Have you read the issues, then?

TK punches are activated at the speed of thought. When X can attack at the speed of thought, call me.

He held back percentage. That's like me asking you the percentage Hulk used against Spiderman or the percentage Superman used against Batman. I'm sure you wouldn't think a 100%, would you.

He didn't hit him with his max.

I will bring up Afterthought and Dick when I feel the time is necessary.

OK, i need you to prove that was a speed of thought attack.

Originally posted by carver9
He held back percentage. That's like me asking you the percentage Hulk used against Spiderman or the percentage Superman used against Batman. I'm sure you wouldn't think a 100%, would you.

He didn't hit him with his max.

I will bring up Afterthought and Dick when I feel the time is necessary.

OK, i need you to prove that was a speed of thought attack.

Lol. So IOW, you have no idea. So its moot.

When you've read the issues, IOW.

Telekinesis. Tele. From the word, Telos. As of the mind.

Its a mental attack boyo . Read the issue. It may even explain things for you.

Telekinesis occurs at the speed of thought.

Originally posted by carver9
Because he is proud of being a troll.

Didn't you already accuse Zack of being a troll? For making what you say is a spite thread?

False accusations. Dangerous indeed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. So IOW, you have no idea. So its moot.

When you've read the issues, IOW.

Telekinesis. Tele. From the word, Telos. As of the mind.

Its a mental attack boyo . Read the issue. It may even explain things for you.

Telekinesis occurs at the speed of thought.

No, you have no idea. Prove that he hit him with forest level power.

...just because telekinesis is being used doesn't mean that it was a speed of thought attack. Grifter isn't that fast. That's like me saying Daredevil is faster than thought because he dodge Psylocke TK blade. Reaching is your best friend.

Doesn't mean it was a faster than thought swing. He just wrapped his hand in TK...reacher.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't you already accuse Zack of being a troll? For making what you say is a spite thread?

False accusations. Dangerous indeed.

Mr. X stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
No, you have no idea. Prove that he hit him with forest level power.

...just because telekinesis is being used doesn't mean that it was a speed of thought attack. Grifter isn't that fast. That's like me saying Daredevil is faster than thought because he dodge Psylocke TK blade. Reaching is your best friend.

Doesn't mean it was a faster than thought swing. He just wrapped his hand in TK...reacher.

Proof he just wrapped his hand in TK? Scans.

Also, onus is not on me. I'm the one saying that we have no idea of how powerful the punch was, only that Grifter is capable of stunning Apollo (in the same scan you posted) and is capable of uprooting entire areas.

If someone tanked a punch from WWH, say, would it not be a feat?

Originally posted by carver9
Midnighter dies. He was taken out by a single hit from Grifter, with ease. Grifter is no Mr.X AND Mr.X read minds as well. Mr. X 10/10.

Call me when X can do this to people:
http://i.imgur.com/2qY0BzS.jpg

It wasn't just a physical attack Grifter did. PLUS, basic knowledge.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Call me when X can do this to people:
http://i.imgur.com/2qY0BzS.jpg

It wasn't just a physical attack Grifter did. PLUS, basic knowledge.

I don't get what you're trying to post here. Grifter used his TK to one shot midnighter. He used his TK here and the guy is still standing. Like I said, if Grifter can drop Midnighter in a single hit, so can Mr.X.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Proof he just wrapped his hand in TK? Scans.

Also, onus is not on me. I'm the one saying that we have no idea of how powerful the punch was, only that Grifter is capable of stunning Apollo (in the same scan you posted) and is capable of uprooting entire areas.

If someone tanked a punch from WWH, say, would it not be a feat?

It's right there in the scan. Look at it.

Lol...you said Grifter hit him with forest level power. That's a lie just like it is a lie that WWH punched Beast with planetary level power. Knocking Apollo back isn't stunning him. Also, what happened to that Battle computer assisting Midnighter?

If someone tanked an all out punch from WWH, yes, I would be impressed but Beast, Strong Guy, Angel along with any other weak level durability character surviving WWH doesn't mean they survived his planetary power

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Call me when X can do this to people:
http://i.imgur.com/2qY0BzS.jpg

It wasn't just a physical attack Grifter did. PLUS, basic knowledge.

Bump.

Why bump this thread? Its just Darksaint stomping carver