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-DC One Million/853rd Century-

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VS.


-The Marvel Universe-

https://s16.postimg.org/6kpqxk35h/The_Marvel_Universe.png



STIPS:
*This is EVERY being from DC's 853rd Century, at the height of their power(yes, the Superman Dynasty is allowed.)
*This is EVERY being from PRE-rebooted Marvel.
*Assume the heroes & villains from each company are able to function together as a team.



How goes this?

Dang, this is tough! Even the low end beings like Azrael was going much faster than DC's top speedsters.

Then you have Hourman W/Worloog, Superman Dynasty (Which have 5-D Imps), Super Sun Solaris, etc...

The Legion were pretty powerful, from what I remember.

Originally posted by Zack M
Dang, this is tough! Even the low end beings like Azrael was going much faster than DC's top speedsters.

Then you have Hourman W/Worloog, Superman Dynasty (Which have 5-D Imps), Super Sun Solaris, etc... yes

Do you see Batman 1M on Reed Richards level?

Throw out all the fodder.

Are we assuming that all 5D imps are in play, given that they're immortal and would exist in the 853rd Century, even the ones we didn't explicitly see? Even if not, we're talking at least the definitive Superman Dynasty member, Mxy, and Bat-mite. That's all that matters, against Marvel's abstracts.

How FAST was Flash 1M? Wasn't he actually slower than say Wally West?

How does Doop and Impossible Man compare to 5d?

Originally posted by Zack M
Do you see Batman 1M on Reed Richards level? Yes. And the level of tech B1M has access to makes even that of Reed's look infantile by comparison.

Originally posted by Zack M
How FAST was Flash 1M? Wasn't he actually slower than say Wally West? Unknown. The databases of the 853rd century state that he is "a human avatar of the Speed Force", and "the system's fastest man."

If he is faster than Azrael 1M, then holy f*ck.

Originally posted by golem370
How does Doop and Impossible Man compare to 5d? They don't.

I thought Flash 1M needed a treadmill to travel through time.

Originally posted by Zack M
I thought Flash 1M needed a treadmill to travel through time. Unknown... But depending on the writer, so did Wally. /shrug

Anyway, the only time Flash 1M used the Celestial Treadmill was to create a 'reverse-time field', in order to correct the temporal anomalies that were being generated throughout ALL OF Hypertime, when the Gorilla Galaxy began merging with his Galaxy:
http://i.imgur.com/Ed4WTMc.jpg

...Which is obviously MUCH different than using it to simply travel through time. Tbh, that is an unbelievably uber feat.

Originally posted by Cogito
Throw out all the fodder.

Are we assuming that all 5D imps are in play, given that they're immortal and would exist in the 853rd Century, even the ones we didn't explicitly see? Even if not, we're talking at least the definitive Superman Dynasty member, Mxy, and Bat-mite. That's all that matters, against Marvel's abstracts.

I guess the Dynasty would win, due to the Imps.

One more thing, Galan; Did Atom 1M create his own pocket universe through tech? I read somewhere that he did.

DC's 853rd beings take this. It's a massacre, actually.

Most would die but I could see a group escaping preping for a fight people like Thanos Reed Dr Doom and others.

DC One Million stomps and stomps hard

Marvel as they are now?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
DC One Million stomps and stomps hard

Most of Marvel's abstracts looked like they took a big dive in power in the modern era, especially right before secret wars. DC should win pretty handily.

LT solos easiy

Mxy kills the LT.

Mr Fantastic pulls his DC's 853rd invading group gun out that teleports them back to there time and reality with a better luck next time bitches sticker on all their foreheads.

Even rocky's wife said... you cant win.

I think I just did.

DC massacres.

Originally posted by golem370
Mr Fantastic pulls his DC's 853rd invading group gun out that teleports them back to there time and reality with a better luck next time bitches sticker on all their foreheads.

The people in the 853rd century have better tech to combat Reed. Or Hourman with worlogog banishes Reed.

^WAY better tech, tbh. In the 853rd Century, they build artificial stars/suns and use them as computers, ffs. srsly

Originally posted by Zack M
One more thing, Galan; Did Atom 1M create his own pocket universe through tech? I read somewhere that he did. Sorta/kinda... But the creation of that 'verse was totally unintentional/inadvertent:
http://i.imgur.com/yvhkuUJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IfAaEQM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mTJIBkY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JoLTnlq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QEzOu7A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6aaVq7Y.jpg

Originally posted by "Id"
Marvel as they are now? This is pre-Secret Wars Marvel.

They wake up Clyde Wyncham.

^ I'd be curious to see how Clyde/MoD stacks up next to Hourman 1M, or Klyzyzk.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I'd be curious to see how Clyde/MoD stacks up next to Hourman 1M, or Klyzyzk.

Just wait an hour and I'm sure Zop or ID can give you a 500 page long treatise on why Wyncham's 2 appearances make him the most powerful character in marvel

In all seriousness I think there are a lot of rarely mentioned powerhouses on Marvel. Characters that were only used for a single storyline and are easy to forget.

I'll see if I can scramble something up when I get home.

Who is Klyxyzk?

Originally posted by Galan007
^WAY better tech, tbh. In the 853rd Century, they build artificial stars/suns and use them as computers, ffs. srsly

Sorta/kinda... But the creation of that 'verse was totally unintentional/inadvertent:
http://i.imgur.com/yvhkuUJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IfAaEQM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mTJIBkY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JoLTnlq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QEzOu7A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6aaVq7Y.jpg

This is pre-Secret Wars Marvel.

That is some Reed Richard level stuff, right there. I remember Reed created a pocket universe for Thing.

Reed's gun is the winner.

Originally posted by Galan007

This is pre-Secret Wars Marvel.

This is not straightforward win for DC.

Originally posted by krisblaze
They wake up Clyde Wyncham.

He would bring a lot more to the table.

Originally posted by golem370
Reed's gun is the winner.

Batman's anti reed death ray, ftw.

No, home field advantage Reed turns them into puppies and then send them back.

Right before he gets vaporized by the super sun? Nah, 853rd century is too advanced here.

Sure with Mr Fantastic gun would beg to differ.

Nope. You haven't really proven that reeds tech is superior on average. Iirc, the average citizen had mother box's, which is better than most of reeds tech. Its like the average citizen today having cell phones
. Insane.

Reed is superior end of story sorry anything else is speculation.

Originally posted by Zack M
Who is Klyxyzk? another one of Superman's lineage.

Originally posted by golem370
Reed is superior end of story sorry anything else is speculation.

Not through tech, he isn't.

Originally posted by Zack M
Who is Klyxyzk? He is a 5D Imp, and member of the Superman Squad:
http://i.imgur.com/16FBDLs.jpg

I can't see the pic, but I remember an imp that was shown in All-Star Superman. Is that him>

Yes. That is who's depicted in the scan.

I don't remember him doing all that much.

Does the marvel team also include characters that died or were made to never exist?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Just wait an hour and I'm sure Zop or ID can give you a 500 page long treatise on why Wyncham's 2 appearances make him the most powerful character in marvel



If you think thats bad wait until they start making the case for Klyxyzk, who has what 2 panel appearances and 0 feats. But some how he is going to get scalled to WF Mxy, becasue why the phuck not.


In all seriousness. Marvel would win. It DC mountain to climb, not Marvel since the battle would take place in thier home turf. And Marvel has much to bring to the table.

One can bring up Hourman w/gog. But Avengers/Illuminati have had an I.G.

Reed has access to the renment weapons vault, from the council of Reeds. that shit holds UN and stuff.

Scott is holding out with the Phoenix Egg.

You have in universe Space Gods (Galactus, Celestials, Proemial Gods etc..)

Power house character Molecule Man, Franklin Richards, Skyfathers, Hell Lords and Elder Gods etc..

Constant Abstracts (Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion, LT etc..)

And some forgotten Cosmic Abstracts like the Infinities, Fullcrum, etc..

Beyonders from the beyond (unless they dont count).

Britain Corps, and thier weapons.

Reed could wake up Clyde, and Clyde would bring his monstrous power to the for front along characters he can summon from across the Multiverse. Imagine him bring Adult Franklin Richards, Mad Jim Jaspers, Jaimie Braddock (the Goat), Complete Legion....

The Goat and Legion are extremely dangerous.

The Goat when inside the Stsrlight Cidital can infinitely multiplay itself.

Legion has the capacity to infect and take over the oppisite ranks, and create a duplicates of himself.

^ You seem angry.

But I'm not sure why anyone would try to power-scale Klyzyzk to Mxy-level, when Mxy himself is literally part of the Superman Squad in the 853rd century:
http://i.imgur.com/QKEZboO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0gWKJxO.jpg

What about the Elsemen? i saw you mention them in another thread. Werre they from that time?

+1 for thinking outside the box.

Yes, the Else-Men were exclusive to the 853rd century, and also very powerful...
Originally posted by Galan007
When Kal and the Legion found out about the Else-Men, they 'ported to Rann-Prime to combat them:
http://i.imgur.com/lWLwTlR.jpg

And yes, Rann-Prime was obviously way outside their native solar system, thus way outside the reach of the Super Sun:
http://i.imgur.com/5YbNEfN.jpg

So no, Kal didn't have the opportunity to be recharged by the Sun after he was ragdolled by the Else-Man.

As you mentioned, the Else-Men were extremely powerful. Their basic powerset was to not only to copy a character's powers, but to expand upon them -- essentially becoming a 'better you':
http://i.imgur.com/3yyDrQ9.jpg

That said, I do not believe the Else-Man became Superman Prime 1M when it encountered Kal. However, it did become a better him:
http://i.imgur.com/fK2eKaL.jpg
"From the yellow sun that beats in my chest, to the powers I possess... I've just become the ultimate you!"

Kal implied this Else-Man had become the being he always imagined himself becoming:
http://i.imgur.com/zdtZtrL.jpg
"When I was a boy! I'd daydream about what I'd be like when I grow up! I'd be him!"


This isn't overly surprising. After all, an Else-Man was able to create an copy of the full Worlogog, from the micro-fraction that Hourman still possessed. Even Metron was utterly shocked by this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZyPeMxm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uQDhjLC.jpg

The only way to defeat the Else-Men was for Hourman to travel to the dawn of their universe, and freeze its big bang forever in time -- essentially preventing the Else-Men from ever existing:
http://i.imgur.com/s4skqtp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2ELHSWe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iPobdxk.jpg

Else-Men Rape Marvel

The Else-Men are certainly worth mentioning, but any being with the ability to manipulate time/space on a universal level(such as an IG-wielder) could theoretically defeat them, as long as said abilities weren't duped beforehand.

How many were there? Or was there just one?

Originally posted by Galan007
The Else-Men are certainly worth mentioning, but any being with the ability to manipulate time/space on a universal level(such as an IG-wielder) could theoretically defeat them, as long as said abilities weren't duped beforehand.

That's a big If. Mainly because Marvel are fighting the whole 853rd century. Are the else - men on Protege level?

Super esp rain>>anything in Marvel.

Originally posted by Zack M
How many were there? Or was there just one? There were numerous Else-Men...

http://i.imgur.com/JCBM64Q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NcpdbQp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GHezuhq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2KmzjTp.jpg


...Each one of those globes/spheres is an Else-Man.

Originally posted by Zack M
Are the else - men on Protege level? Feat-wise, I wouldn't be comfortable placing them beyond universal. That said, absolutely NO upper-end cap for them was alluded to -- even Metron himself was awestruck by their abilities.

Originally posted by Surtur
Super esp rain>>anything in Marvel. Bullshit aside, Super-E.S.P. honestly was a badass ability:
http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/30247985_1m80p_056.jpg

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/30247986_DC_One_Million_001-019.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/30247987_DC_One_Million_001-020.jpg

Sweet. Else-Men, on top of the Imps, I'd favor 853rd century. And that's not including their haxxed tech.

What level would you put Atom one million at? Stark level?

Hard to say. He almost seems like a mixture between Stark and Firestorm, given that he can use his abilities to create elements and such. /shrug

Originally posted by Zack M
And that's not including their haxxed tech. http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/30248102_Detective_Comics_1937-2011_1000000-004.jpg

You're forgetting Batman 1M's casual matter rearranged thingy bob.

Dafukyoutalkingabout?

I don't have the scan to hand, but look back at when B1M takes Batman out. He accidentally breaks something, but zaps it and it becomes whole again.

Ah, yes.

http://i.imgur.com/hUsmxGi.jpg

i remember that it was also stated that the 853rd Century humans themselves evolved to the point they were super strong fast durable atc atc compared to the mainstream universe humans. i think it was streched out but it said that kal kent is a superman of supermans. i wouldnt say all humans became superman level thats funny but yeah they were preety evolved.

Plus, all the Supermen had 5D imp powers or something, didn't they? Once the imp queen married into the dynasty...

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but Hourman also remade Krypton in the 853rd century, and placed it under the Super Sun:
http://i.imgur.com/grUgC0Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eLreC0a.jpg

...Basically a planet-worth of Superman-level beings. I'm assuming they weren't S1M-level for the very same reason Superman himself was not.

Oh shit and then we got golden superman prime himself we forgot about him. he doesnt have much feats aside of sitting in the sun Lol but he is suppose to be like wtf powerful

Again this is no brainer. Both Mxy and Mite are part of the Dynasty. Those 2 alone can wipe out most of the Marvel verse minus a few power houses here and there.

reed, stark, parker, forge create a device to go to DC's 853rd they send in Bishop, Cable, Deadpool, Wolvie, archangel, Stryfe, Apocalypse, sentry, Kang, blink, cypher and Karnak.

cypher and karnak go through that universes history of fights and develop a strategy for marvel's universe

proteus possesses the bat

professor x reaches out to proteus but goes into coma after being bombarded

the cuckoos + kid omega revive professor x and then learns about the DC uni

ulton + the techno organics take on and assimilate their tech

scarlet witch wishes that superman crashed in Marvel Universe as a baby in wakanda

yadda yadda yadda Doom steals yadda yadda yadda's power

I actually haven't read the millions in a long time so I don't remember who's all in the fight. this has been fun

Originally posted by staxamillion
I actually haven't read the millions in a long time so I don't remember who's all in the fight. this has been fun You probably should go back and do that, because those you mentioned don't have a chance in hell against DC's 853rd century in its totality.

Is Superman Prime One Million far above 5thD Superman and even Mxy?
Because it was implied in it's story that he become stronger than everyone in Superman dynasty.

Marvel stomps.

Originally posted by CatL18
Is Superman Prime One Million far above 5thD Superman and even Mxy?
Because it was implied in it's story that he become stronger than everyone in Superman dynasty. Prime is definitely the strongest where 3D members of the Dynasty are concerned.

On that note, the final scene when he emerges from the Super Sun still gives me chills to this day:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269484_DC_One_Million_004-016.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269485_DC_One_Million_004-017.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269486_DC_One_Million_004-018.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269487_DC_One_Million_004-019.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269488_DC_One_Million_004-020.jpg

If we took statements at face value, he was the most powerful character ever in DC's history.



That said, one of the many universes/timelines/dimensions Mxy was *shown* destroying in World's Funnest, was the 853rd century:
http://i.imgur.com/U8CZP42.png
*Middle of the page; far left side.


...So Mxy is definitely >>> Prime.

Originally posted by Galan007
Prime is definitely the strongest where 3D members of the Dynasty are concerned.

On that note, the final scene when he emerges from the Super Sun still gives me chills to this day:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269484_DC_One_Million_004-016.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269485_DC_One_Million_004-017.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269486_DC_One_Million_004-018.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269487_DC_One_Million_004-019.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30269488_DC_One_Million_004-020.jpg

If we took statements at face value, he was the most powerful character ever in DC's history.



That said, one of the many universes/timelines/dimensions Mxy was *shown* destroying in World's Funnest, was the 853rd century:
http://i.imgur.com/U8CZP42.png
*Middle of the page; far left side.


...So Mxy is definitely >>> Prime.
Thank you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Marvel stomps.

Sentry solos

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sentry solos

Prime solos.

Originally posted by Zack M
Prime solos.

Prime get the Teen Titans therapy again.

That's not the right Prime, lol. Better brush up!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not the right Prime, lol. Better brush up!!

Sorry, reflex.

SPOM solos nothing anyway. The guy can't counter a planet-sized enemy with a few weapons -.-

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sorry, reflex.

SPOM solos nothing anyway. The guy can't counter a planet-sized enemy with a few weapons -.-

the guy who empowers kal kent himself and the entire superman dynasty in the 853 centery solos

Originally posted by Dareangel
the guy who empowers kal kent himself and the entire superman dynasty in the 853 centery solos

The powers comes from the Super-Sun which is Superman's fortress of solitude...

He hardly can solo anything.

The guy is completely featless and the fact that Solaris alone is too much for him clearly shows his limits.

SPOM isn't even close to skyfather-level...

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The powers comes from the Super-Sun which is Superman's fortress of solitude...

He hardly can solo anything.

The guy is completely featless and the fact that Solaris alone is too much for him clearly shows his limits.

SPOM isn't even close to skyfather-level...

Wrong. superman was sitting in the sun for thousands of years and thats how he gained his power. however he is not dependant on that sun to keep his powers or maintain them unlike kal kent who is empowered by him.

the guy didnt have showings aside of crushing solaris which was a universal threat, which is a great enough feat but the fact he empowers kal kent, as well as the entire superman dynasty says a lot. basically all the power kal kent has is just a part os golden supemrans powers because he also empowers the entire dynasty which consist of 5 IMP supermans. so lets think about that. golden prime empowers 5 imp supermans. and you say he is not even a skyfather level. i provided an evidence how he is well above a skyfather level.

solaris alone too much for him? are you serious? he crushed solaris the moment he was awaken. you probably confuced the characters again and mixed him with kal kent. listen you are mixing characters here left and right. how about put that ADHD aside and try to focus instead of just jumping the party. focus. FOCUS

Originally posted by Dareangel
Wrong. superman was sitting in the sun for thousands of years and thats how he gained his power. however he is not dependant on that sun to keep his powers or maintain them unlike kal kent who is empowered by him.

*sigh*

No.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111273962/5039287-4314365-4192195-sm-mot1mpg19.jpg

The powers comes from SPOM Fortress of Solitude AKA the Super-Sun in all cases...

Without the Super-Sun Kal Kent's powers vanishes.



Solaris was almost destroyed when SPOM "crushed" him.

That's hardly a feat.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4379764-1.png




*sigh*

The Dynasty has 5D imp genes in his lineage, it doesn't make them equals to the 5D imps and Kal Kent extra-powers vanishes without a Super-Sun...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4379204-jla_dynasty3.jpg



You are making a gross misinterpretation of the comic book that you probably didn't read.



A massively weakened Solaris and only with the help of a GL Ring which was supposed to be a Kryptonite missile in the first place (which would have killed Superman).



I didn't mix anything.

Go read DC One Million and you will be allowed to talk about it.

Erm, your scan shows that the powers come from Golden Superman, NOT from the Super sun. The Super Sun is merely where he sits.

Golden Superman is in this fight, so for all intents and purposes, everyone is at full power.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm, your scan shows that the powers come from Golden Superman, NOT from the Super sun. The Super Sun is merely where he sits.

The powers were "gleaned from the edge of space and time" ...

= That's not Superman powers.

"And administrated by Superman from his fortress of Solitude"

= We see with the art that the powers comes from the Super-Sun aka the Fortress of Solitude in the first place and Superman catalyse them...



He is still incapable to beat a planet-sized enemy...

Sentry solos them with a thought.

Your own scan says, that SUPERMAN is granting them new powers. Not the Sun.

He went on his travels, and developed new powers, which he shared with the other Supermen. Whilst sitting in the Sun. That's all. Anything else is just you twisting things to fit your theory.

You forgot Mxy.

The Super Sun is Superman + our regular Sun.

Obviously it's Superman Prime that empowers SM1M, as our regular Sun did shit for him in the present w/o Superman Prime

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your own scan says, that SUPERMAN is granting them new powers. Not the Sun.

The powers in question are stored in the Fortress of Solitude... They aren't Superman's own powers.




It isn't said that's Superman's own powers. It is said that they were gleaned and administrated by Superman via the Super-Sun aka his Fortress...

The proof is that they vanishes without the presence of the Super-Sun.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111145037/3756219-1181481-superman9mc9.jpg

The Super-Sun IS the SOURCE of their powers, not Superman.

That crumbles your fan-theory.



Get erased with a thought.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The Super-Sun IS the SOURCE of their powers, not Superman.

Christ, the Super Sun IS Superman Prime.

The only difference between the Sun in the 853rd Century and the Sun in the 21st Century is that Superman Prime is in it, further empowering the Superman Dynasty with powers gleaned from the edge of space and time (i.e. the Source).

Originally posted by Cogito
Christ, the Super Sun IS Superman Prime.

The only difference between the Sun in the 853rd Century and the Sun in the 21st Century is that Superman Prime is in it, further empowering the Superman Dynasty with powers gleaned from the edge of space and time (i.e. the Source).

No Superman isn't the Super-Sun.

That's an argument Ex Culo.

I like your fancy words, but come on man

Superman isn't the Super-Sun. He is what makes the Super-Sun Super though

RW's troll-spam is always cute, but the Dynasty's power COMES FROM Prime.

This scan(which was already posted) is clearly indicative of such:
http://i.imgur.com/0fGR8DH.jpg


Hell, you can actually *see* Prime using his own energy to endow that era's Superman(and by proxy, the entire Superman Dynasty) with his Source-gleaned power, in the lower right corner of the scan:
http://i.imgur.com/kvDJqqx.jpg

srsly


But this is the same guy who vehemently argues that Sentry is omniversal, so I wouldn't pay him any mind. He's just an attention whore.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
*sigh*

No.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111273962/5039287-4314365-4192195-sm-mot1mpg19.jpg

The powers comes from SPOM Fortress of Solitude AKA the Super-Sun in all cases...

Without the Super-Sun Kal Kent's powers vanishes.



Solaris was almost destroyed when SPOM "crushed" him.

That's hardly a feat.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4379764-1.png




*sigh*

The Dynasty has 5D imp genes in his lineage, it doesn't make them equals to the 5D imps and Kal Kent extra-powers vanishes without a Super-Sun...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/4379204-jla_dynasty3.jpg



You are making a gross misinterpretation of the comic book that you probably didn't read.



A massively weakened Solaris and only with the help of a GL Ring which was supposed to be a Kryptonite missile in the first place (which would have killed Superman).



I didn't mix anything.

Go read DC One Million and you will be allowed to talk about it.

again, the sun just made him that powerful by sitting there and absorbing all that energy. however golden prime doesnt depend on it.

dude seriously, you were wrong and you clearly see it so stop trying to troll out of it. in the scan you posted it clearly says golden prime is empowering the dynasty however it doesnt say the sun empowers him. he just sits there. you were wrong his powers are not dependant on the sun, you simply confused between him and kal kent big deal. are you a little kid that you cant admit you simply got confused between the 2 everybody can see that, you refusing to admit it further just portrays you as a joke.

oh so now you are making excuses? solaris wasnt at its full power blah blah blah. your initial claim was that golden prime couldnt handle solaris. now when you have been proven wrong, you try a new tactic and lean towards another direction. and you tell me to read the 1 million arc? i think we made it clear enough that its you who has to both read the arc again (if you ever read that before) and stop with your ADHD bursts of claiming something without making sure its even the right character Lol.

again, golden superman prime empowers the entire superman dynasty. that includes the 5 IMP's that ARE in the dynasty. blasting the post with scans that prove nothing and just there for some kind of "intimidation" effect is pointless. seriously. go read the arc again and calm that ADHD.

it looks like the from the scan that the prime superman has access to the powers gleaned from the very edge of time and space and acts as a conduit for dispersing.

Originally posted by Galan007
RW's troll-spam is always cute, but the Dynasty's power COMES FROM Prime.

My opinion rustling your jimmies doesn't make it a troll-spam.




*sigh*

The energy comes from the Super-Sun in the first place and Kal Kent himself states that the Super-Sun is the power-source.

All that proves is that you need to quit your fanboy glasses for two seconds.



Yeah, so does Marvel.

I'm sorry if that increases your butthurt but you have to deal with it.

Sentry has infinite power-level and can beat everyone.



You really think that I'm interested in your opinion and the one of the other Superfanboys ? I don't care at all.

My posts are here for the people interested by the characters outside this forum.

You are completely overestimating yourself my poor pal.

Originally posted by staxamillion
it looks like the from the scan that the prime superman has access to the powers gleaned from the very edge of time and space and acts as a conduit for dispersing.

That's my point exactly.

Superman doesn't posses those powers and catalyse the ones existing in his Fortress of Solitude = the Super-Sun into his followers.

Originally posted by Galan007
RW's troll-spam is always cute, but the Dynasty's power COMES FROM Prime.

This scan(which was already posted) is clearly indicative of such:
http://i.imgur.com/0fGR8DH.jpg


Hell, you can actually *see* Prime using his own energy to endow that era's Superman(and by proxy, the entire Superman Dynasty) with his Source-gleaned power, in the lower right corner of the scan:
http://i.imgur.com/kvDJqqx.jpg

srsly


But this is the same guy who vehemently argues that Sentry is omniversal, so I wouldn't pay him any mind. He's just an attention whore.

thanks for the scanz!

Originally posted by Dareangel
again, the sun just made him that powerful by sitting there and absorbing all that energy. however golden prime doesnt depend on it.

dude seriously, you were wrong and you clearly see it so stop trying to troll out of it. in the scan you posted it clearly says golden prime is empowering the dynasty however it doesnt say the sun empowers him. he just sits there. you were wrong his powers are not dependant on the sun, you simply confused between him and kal kent big deal. are you a little kid that you cant admit you simply got confused between the 2 everybody can see that, you refusing to admit it further just portrays you as a joke.

oh so now you are making excuses? solaris wasnt at its full power blah blah blah. your initial claim was that golden prime couldnt handle solaris. now when you have been proven wrong, you try a new tactic and lean towards another direction. and you tell me to read the 1 million arc? i think we made it clear enough that its you who has to both read the arc again (if you ever read that before) and stop with your ADHD bursts of claiming something without making sure its even the right character Lol.

again, golden superman prime empowers the entire superman dynasty. that includes the 5 IMP's that ARE in the dynasty. blasting the post with scans that prove nothing and just there for some kind of "intimidation" effect is pointless. seriously. go read the arc again and calm that ADHD.

I have already answered to everything that was needed so I will completely ignore your answer.

You are clearly trying to flame-bait that thread and I'm not interested in it.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I have already answered to everything that was needed so I will completely ignore your answer.

You are clearly trying to flame-bait that thread and I'm not interested in it.

Prime solos.

This is EVERY being from pre-SW ... vs one of DC's centuries?

... phukin kidding me? Marvel wins.

... and I'm not even a fan of voting in cross-company matches, but damn, yall are funny.

Originally posted by Mr Master


This is EVERY being from pre-SW ... vs one of DC's centuries?

... phukin kidding me? Marvel wins.

... and I'm not even a fan of voting in cross-company matches, but damn, yall are funny.

You also know that Dynasty is also linked through the 5D Imps through marriage right? Even more, both Batmite and Mxy are part of that Dynasty?

Originally posted by SquallX

You also know that Dynasty is also linked through the 5D Imps through marriage right?
Even more, both Batmite and Mxy are part of that Dynasty?
That means nothing. I don't care who that one century got.

We're talking every being in Marvel pre-SW. There's way too many ubers involved here.

This isn't WF, where Mxy is running around destroying defenseless universes,
where his top advisory gets stomped by having a single planet bopped over his head.

This is all of Marvel pre-SW combined.
There are catS here who tank universal and multiversal big bangs without a scratch,
there are catS here who have manipulated the entire omniverse, and then there's Thanos, Reed & Doom.

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Unless Galan is referring to only 616 right before SW,
meaning not including every cat ever in Marvel before SW.

Then that's different, cause then that's just a universe vs a universe.

Whatever on who wins that.

Mxy snaps his fingers and they're all gone.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That means nothing. I don't care who that one century got.

We're talking every being in Marvel pre-SW. There's way too many ubers involved here.

This isn't WF, where Mxy is running around destroying defenseless universes,
where his top advisory gets stomped by having a single planet bopped over his head.

This is all of Marvel pre-SW combined.
There are catS here who tank universal and multiversal big bangs without a scratch,
there are catS here who have manipulated the entire omniverse, and then there's Thanos, Reed & Doom.

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Unless Galan is referring to only 616 right before SW,
meaning not including every cat ever in Marvel before SW.

Then that's different, cause then that's just a universe vs a universe.

Whatever on who wins that.

You're Bias is showing bro, calm down.

There is so such a thing as this is not WF Mxy. All Mxy throughout the Multiverse, is the one in the same. This crap as been explained multiple times. It gets ****ing redundant when the same crap is regurgitated over and over again.

Also, it should matter that the 5D imps are part of the Dynasty.

Originally posted by SquallX

You're Bias is showing bro, calm down.

There is so such a thing as this is not WF Mxy. All Mxy throughout the Multiverse, is the one in the same. This crap as been explained multiple times. It gets ****ing redundant when the same crap is regurgitated over and over again.

Also, it should matter that the 5D imps are part of the Dynasty.
lol at the "bias" spear. and .. I'm zooted so I'm beyond relaxed son. sour d baby. stoned

I never said Mxy wasn't this Mxy or that Mxy.
So, you should read more carefully that way you can avoid driveling aimless lectures in vain.

I clearly differentiated Mxy's obstacles in WF to what he faces here IF it was all of Marvel ever pre-SW.

So in Fact! ... I actually recognized WF and his feats therein
within the same post you chastised as if it alluded to anything other.

Now, that's funny ... cause it now shows who needs to really "calm down."

Originally posted by SquallX
You're Bias is showing bro, calm down.

There is so such a thing as this is not WF Mxy. All Mxy throughout the Multiverse, is the one in the same. This crap as been explained multiple times. It gets ****ing redundant when the same crap is regurgitated over and over again.

Also, it should matter that the 5D imps are part of the Dynasty.

Dynasty are composed of some impressive beings.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Unless Galan is referring to only 616 right before SW,
meaning not including every cat ever in Marvel before SW.

Then that's different, cause then that's just a universe vs a universe.

Whatever on who wins that. That is exactly what I was referring to. This is the pre-Secret Wars 616 continuum + abstracts/cosmics. I wasn't referring to every being from the Marvel Omniverse, past/present/future.


Apologies if I wasn't clear enough.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I have already answered to everything that was needed so I will completely ignore your answer.

You are clearly trying to flame-bait that thread and I'm not interested in it.

you simply got cornered and cant address my points. Consession accepted

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The powers in question are stored in the Fortress of Solitude... They aren't Superman's own powers.

Where does it say that, at all? Superman gained new powers from his wanderings around the universe, and from the edge of space and time, gleaned new powers. So just like DCnU Superman developed a new solar flare power, Golden Superman developed brand new powers after going to the edge of space and time.



Read the sentence carefully again. It NEVER says it was gleaned via the Super Sun...ONLY that he administers it from there. It's like saying I obtain my energy from the actual McDonald's outlet, when in fact I obtain it from the 15 year old minimum wage worker who administers (i.e. hands out) the burgers.


Yes, because without the administrator, there are no powers. If there is no McDonald's outlet where I am currently physically located, I cannot get my Big Mac. It does not mean, however, if Ronald McDonald were to show up to hand me my burger, that I cannot eat it just because I am not physically near an outlet.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where does it say that, at all? Superman gained new powers from his wanderings around the universe, and from the edge of space and time, gleaned new powers. So just like DCnU Superman developed a new solar flare power, Golden Superman developed brand new powers after going to the edge of space and time.



Read the sentence carefully again. It NEVER says it was gleaned via the Super Sun...ONLY that he administers it from there. It's like saying I obtain my energy from the actual McDonald's outlet, when in fact I obtain it from the 15 year old minimum wage worker who administers (i.e. hands out) the burgers.


Yes, because without the administrator, there are no powers. If there is no McDonald's outlet where I am currently physically located, I cannot get my Big Mac. It does not mean, however, if Ronald McDonald were to show up to hand me my burger, that I cannot eat it just because I am not physically near an outlet.

Superman isn't showed in possession of new powers himself.

The entire point is that Kal Kent and the members of the Dynasty have new powers because of their affiliation with a 5D imp whom entered in their bloodline.

The fact is that Superman clearly find a way to awaken those latent powers thanks to the Super-Sun AND a way to administer new powers that were gleaned from the edge of space and time and stored in his Fortress of Solitude.

You can twist it in every way.

Superman never displayed new powers. He showed nothing proving that his more powerful than he was neither.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/administer



verb (used with object)
1.
to manage (affairs, a government, etc.); have executive charge of:
to administer the law.
2.
to bring into use or operation:
to administer justice; to administer last rites.
3.
to make application of; give:
to administer medicine.
4.
to supervise the formal taking of (an oath or the like).
5.
Law. to manage or dispose of, as a decedent's estate by an executor or administrator or a trust estate by a trustee.
verb (used without object)
6.
to contribute assistance; bring aid or supplies (usually followed by to):
to administer to the poor.
7.
to perform the duties of an administrator:
She administers quite effectively.




And administering something doesn't make you a wielder of that stuff.

You can administer a vaccine without having the possibility to cure someone yourself which is clearly the case with Superman here.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Superman isn't showed in possession of new powers himself.

The entire point is that Kal Kent and the members of the Dynasty have new powers because of their affiliation with a 5D imp whom entered in their bloodline.

The fact is that Superman clearly find a way to awaken those latent powers thanks to the Super-Sun AND a way to administer new powers that were gleaned from the edge of space and time and stored in his Fortress of Solitude.

You can twist it in every way.

Superman never displayed new powers. He showed nothing proving that his more powerful than he was neither.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/administer



verb (used with object)
1.
to manage (affairs, a government, etc.); have executive charge of:
to administer the law.
2.
to bring into use or operation:
to administer justice; to administer last rites.
3.
to make application of; give:
to administer medicine.
4.
to supervise the formal taking of (an oath or the like).
5.
Law. to manage or dispose of, as a decedent's estate by an executor or administrator or a trust estate by a trustee.
verb (used without object)
6.
to contribute assistance; bring aid or supplies (usually followed by to):
to administer to the poor.
7.
to perform the duties of an administrator:
She administers quite effectively.




And administering something doesn't make you a wielder of that stuff.

You can administer a vaccine without having the possibility to cure someone yourself which is clearly the case with Superman here.

Good analogy.

If a doctor administers a vaccine whilst sitting in a hospital - is it the actual building itself giving me immunity? Or is it the doctor?

If I rang him from home, and he made house calls - just because the hospital is not physically present, does that mean I cannot get the vaccine? No.

Yet, if the doctor did NOT make house calls - without the hospital, I will lose my vaccine, and thus, the immunity.

But for the purposes of this thread, the doctor, as they say, is in.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But for the purposes of this thread, the doctor, as they say, is in.

I say again: this portion of the scan makes it abundantly clear that the amp COMES FROM Prime:
http://i.imgur.com/kvDJqqx.jpg

We can literally SEE him 'blasting' a member of the Dynasty with this energy FROM his person... We can literally SEE him giving the amp.


Simple facts are simple.

i agree with the semantics of Prime administering the power that is clear.

it looks like to me in the scan that the prime is getting that power from the sun. the suns rays are going into his back at the same time he is imbuing power to the other superman.



If a doctor administers a vaccine whilst sitting in a hospital - is it the actual building itself giving me immunity? Or is it the doctor?

the immunity comes from the vaccine itself which would make the doctor and the hospital moot if you could get it elsewhere

It doesn't matter which analogy you use, so long as you understand that the power comes from Prime himself. HE is the source/battery/wellspring/etc. of the Dynasty, post-700th century.

Originally posted by staxamillion
i agree with the semantics of Prime administering the power that is clear.

it looks like to me in the scan that the prime is getting that power from the sun. the suns rays are going into his back at the same time he is imbuing power to the other superman.



If a doctor administers a vaccine whilst sitting in a hospital - is it the actual building itself giving me immunity? Or is it the doctor?

the immunity comes from the vaccine itself which would make the doctor and the hospital moot if you could get it elsewhere

Exactly and Superman doesn't posses new powers.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Exactly and Superman doesn't posses new powers.

Did you even read that arc. Prime studied under the Source itself, so how it is far fetched that he could have gained new powers?

If you believe he has new powers you have to be able to prove it. That's the whole point of debating not speculating based off your biases.

Originally posted by SquallX
Did you even read that arc. Prime studied under the Source itself, so how it is far fetched that he could have gained new powers?

He's probably never read it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you believe he has new powers you have to be able to prove it. That's the whole point of debating not speculating based off your biases.

Wait what? Narration said it was Prime himself that bestowed the powers to the Dynasty. What more is needed?!

Originally posted by SquallX
Wait what? Narration said it was Prime himself that bestowed the powers to the Dynasty. What more is needed?! Such as ?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Exactly and Superman doesn't posses new powers.

Erm, he does...powers gleaned from the edge of space and tome.

yeah he does have new powers that is ovbi simply because he can give others the power. that's a new power

Plus he's like super golden and shiny...that's different too.

Prime granted the Dynasty "powers FAR beyond ANY held by ANY metahuman EVER":
http://i.imgur.com/0fGR8DH.jpg

And that was thousands of years AFTER the Dynasty inherited their new 5D powers.

We don't need DC to publish an itemized list of specific powers that were amplified, for us to know that Prime massively amped the Dynasty's powers across the board, lol -- not when this fact was explicitly stated on panel.


Some people just go out of their way to nonsensically low-ball whenever possible. Pay them no mind.

Squirrel Girl keeps DC distracted long enough for She Hulk to tear up the page of the comic they're on and toss it in the trash

There is mxy right there to punch both in the face.

Mxy, Bat Mite and Lobo One Million stalemate them two

Mxy and Batmite are part of the DC 853 lineup? I'm not arguing that they're not mind you, I'm just surprised if they are since since it's not like Galan to make a spite thread

They are part of that era, yes. Can anyone post some Lobo feats? I forgot how powerful he was.

He's the exact same Lobo as the present day one (which speaks volumes for his longevity), only fat.

@darthgoober: Its EVERY being from the 853rd century, vs EVERY being from preboot Marvel. Beyonders, Living Tribunals, Clyde Wynchams, Hulks, the lot.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's the exact same Lobo as the present day one (which speaks volumes for his longevity), only fat.

And his toon-force was still in full-effect... As seen when he physically ripped open a hole in Tesseract Space:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30336072_Lobo_1000000-011.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30336073_Lobo_1000000-012.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's the exact same Lobo as the present day one (which speaks volumes for his longevity), only fat.

@darthgoober: Its EVERY being from the 853rd century, vs EVERY being from preboot Marvel. Beyonders, Living Tribunals, Clyde Wynchams, Hulks, the lot.
Actually it's every being fro preboot Marvel 616, that's why it seems a little off if the DC lineup were to include beings like Mxy and Batmite. Totally within Galan's right to set the thread up that way if he chooses obviously, I just didn't think it seemed like something he'd do. If that's the case, then obviously DC wins hands down.

Was Vandal Savage the same being, too? How formidable was he? I remember him taking out a team all on his own.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually it's every being fro preboot Marvel 616, that's why it seems a little off if the DC lineup were to include beings like Mxy and Batmite. Totally within Galan's right to set the thread up that way if he chooses obviously, I just didn't think it seemed like something he'd do. If that's the case, then obviously DC wins hands down. The Marvel roster still includes ALL the cosmic hierarchy and whatnot. It can also include the Beyonders as well.

I just put the 616 stip in place because I didn't want it to turn into more of a convoluted mess than necessary.

Originally posted by Zack M
Was Vandal Savage the same being, too? How formidable was he? I remember him taking out a team all on his own. He was the same, yes. Just a LOT older.

Did Vandal have any enhanced powers? **** he was old.

Same abilities, though it's safe to assume he was much more intelligent by then.

By that point Vandal would have been ~120,000 years old(give or take.)

Originally posted by Galan007
The Marvel roster still includes ALL the cosmic hierarchy and whatnot. It can also include the Beyonders as well.

I just put the 616 stip in place because I didn't want it to turn into more of a convoluted mess than necessary.


Who from 616 Marvel can compete with Mxy and Batmite?

Several have argued that LT or the Beyonders could. Though if the consensus is that Mxy's too much for Marvel to handle, he can be removed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Several have argued that LT or the Beyonders could. Though if the consensus is that Mxy's too much for Marvel to handle, he can be removed.

Bat-Mite should be removed, too.

I hate this forums glitches

Originally posted by Galan007
Several have argued that LT or the Beyonders could. Though if the consensus is that Mxy's too much for Marvel to handle, he can be removed.

True, there is many who see that way.

But do you see anyone rivaling Mxy or Batmite?

You silly people. DC dies.

http://static2.blastingnews.com/media/photogallery/2016/7/7/290x290/b_290x290/anna-kendrick-wants-to-play-squirrel-girl-nerdist-nerdist-com_777065.jpg

Lobo frags her.

Originally posted by "Id"
Who from 616 Marvel can compete with Mxy and Batmite?

Sentry, according to some.....

Sentry would have problems (and possibly lose) to some of the weaker members of the 853rd Century. I remember Supergirl 1M doing some crazy things.

Originally posted by Galan007
Prime granted the Dynasty "powers FAR beyond ANY held by ANY metahuman EVER":
http://i.imgur.com/0fGR8DH.jpg

And that was thousands of years AFTER the Dynasty inherited their new 5D powers.

We don't need DC to publish an itemized list of specific powers that were amplified, for us to know that Prime massively amped the Dynasty's powers across the board, lol -- not when this fact was explicitly stated on panel.


Some people just go out of their way to nonsensically low-ball whenever possible. Pay them no mind.

This would imply that Superman Prime was powerful enough to grant that much power.
Alot of users thought that Superman Prime obtained these powers from staying in the sun but as your scan shows, that is not the case at all. Superman was already way more powerful before he even stepped into the sun.