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This is Odin at his best going for the kill

vs

Thanos and Pre DCNU Darkseid

Can the two drop an Odin that is out for blood?

They take the all father unless this is a dumb h2h fight. And if it is odin beats them boys likeva drum

The Emo Eggplant that is, Thanos, fails.

Darkseid grants Odin an ETERNAL Odinsleep

Shut up yappy

One full powered attack from Odin would put both of them down.

Originally posted by t0sh
One full powered attack from Odin would put both of them down.

DAMN LIES!!!!

RIP Odin.

Odin could affect the Multiverse, re-create a Universe, BFR them, blow the galaxy, et cetera. He one shots these chumps

Originally posted by zopzop
RIP Odin against the Conqueror, Darkseid!.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

Originally posted by t0sh
Odin could affect the Multiverse, re-create a Universe, BFR them, blow the galaxy, et cetera. He one shots these chumps

A mere avatar of Darkseid is too much for the son of Bor!

It's past your bed time.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
A mere avatar of Darkseid is too much for the son of Bor!
Highly unlikely.

Thanos beats up Odin without any weapons
Darkseid dies

Originally posted by t0sh
Odin could affect the Multiverse, re-create a Universe, BFR them, blow the galaxy, et cetera. He one shots these chumps typical of someone using stuff they've heard and not knowing the actual context to it.

Darkseid with the omega effect at its best can. Thanos can't really affect Odin.

Odin wins

Originally posted by Cogito
Odin wins

Why do you defy me?

Thanos defeats both.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos defeats both.

LYING ANIMAL!!!

Odin wins without much trouble.

Darkseid alone is a good fight.

Thanos doesn't add much, but enough to tip the scales in Darkseid's favour.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Darkseid alone is a good fight.

Thanos doesn't add much, but enough to tip the scales in Darkseid's favour.
and how is darkseid a good match? odin can spam multigalaxy attacks and is a universal reality warper.

Don't speak to me or my wife's darkseid ever again, you sock.

Originally posted by ASGARDIANBRONY
and how is darkseid a good match? odin can spam multigalaxy attacks and is a universal reality warper.
Darkseid just not being in correct timeline destroyed entire creation as his power was so great.

This Darkseid vs Odin now.

Creation ending attacks and multigalaxy/universal reality warping.

Nevermind that Superman and JaneThor shat on them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid just not being in correct timeline destroyed entire creation as his power was so great. Completely irrelevant and taken out of context. You don't understand anything, really.

This is as good a place as any. Darkseid/Highfather comparison with Odin.

First lets see their raw power. Odin destroys galaxies against Infinity (Which was later retconned as being amped by abstract Infinity).

http://i.imgur.com/Kvbzazb.jpg
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Darkseid and Highfather destroy the source wall which encircles the whole universe and is nigh impenetrable.

https://s6.postimg.org/dxj7kaoa9/New_Gods10-20.jpg

Odin once again shows galactic level power against Foresung.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111200398/4697071-6306165603-Odinv.jpg

Darkseid and Highfather each provide 1/5th power to destroy an entire universe.

http://imgur.com/a/YWQtD

Odin shows galactic power against Seth and banishes him to his realm as he couldn't kill him.

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Scott Free with a portion of Highfather's alpha powers banishes Black Racer (an abstract version of Death) to his realm. He tries to attack Highfather in the very next page who casually blocks his attacks.

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Odin died powering a planet for a few weeks.

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While Darkseid just reanimating a statue for a second spends more power than Apokolips spends in an entire year.

https://s6.postimg.org/5upmmpt2p/Darkseid-19.jpg

Odin vs Thor

Thor vs Sigriend with the entire power of Odin from Thor 127. Thor's power was halved in the previous issue and he was easily beaten by Hercules.

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Thor was beaten but he was weakened.

Thor vs Odin (possessed by Infinity which amped him). Odin is bloodlusted.

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Thor is unharmed and escapes.

Thor vs Odin again when Odin is brainwashed by egyptian gods from Thor 241. Thor withstands Odin trying to kill him after he chose not to fight back.

https://s6.postimg.org/9mcze9awh/Withstands_Odin_Atum1.jpg
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Thor and Warriors three vs living embodiment of Odinpower from Thor 263. It looked beyond Thor but no more than teambuster.

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Thor vs Odin again from Thor 291-292. Odin koes Thor with a bit of struggle. Thor overpowers him in raw strength test though.


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Thor vs Snow Giant (Who Odin could not beat even after weeks of struggle until he took him to a place of no snow) from Thor 308. He is hilariously beaten by a gas mainline.


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Masterson Thor vs Heimdall with the power of Odin. It is mistakenly stated that Heimdall only had a portion of Odin's power. In fact Odin gave him all his power in Thor 426. This is the best showing Odin power has against Thor level beings.

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Masterson Thor vs Annihilus with a portion of Odin's power. Pretty evenly matched.

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Masterson Thor vs Heimdall with a portion of Odinpower as Odin had awakened. They look evenly matched again.

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Masterson Thor vs Loki in Odin's body. Masterson's strength is stolen by Karnilla a few issues ago and he comments that he still does not has super strength. This is easily comparable to Darkseid's showing in Apokolips now. Loki pounds away on a weakened Masterson Thor for five pages straight but can't ko him. Masterson stuns Loki with one hammer shot and swells Odin's remaining eye shut. In fairness Loki says he does not has Odin's full power.

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Thor vs Odin in destroyer armor and Odinsword from Thor: Man of War. Thor gets humbled again but after a fair bit of fight.

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A young Thor vs Odin (In guise of Orlog) from Breaking into Comics Marvel Way 2. Thor defeats Odin.

https://s6.postimg.org/clkckr1bl/Breaking_Into_Comics_The_Marvel_Way_2_012.jpg
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Thor vs Odin again from fear itself.

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The now infamous Jane Thor vs Odin from Mighty Thor 5.

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Darkseid vs Orion/Kalibak. Courtesy of Mungi

Darkseid vs Orion from Adventure Comics 459. Darkseid defeats Orion with a single energy blast.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/adv459_46_ng.jpg

Darkseid vs clone of Orion from Legion 294. Darkseid literally disintegrates him after a bit of struggle.


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-26.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/lsh-v2-294-27.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-28.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-30.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-31.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from Jack Kirby's Fourth World 6. Orion is merged with Desaad and is more powerful than normal. Darkseid easily manhandles him and was about to kill him when Highfather intervened. This Darkseid was revealed to be an avatar while real Darkseid was entombed in the Source wall.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-06-15.jpg
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Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 2. This happens inside the source and Darkseid allows Orion to kill him to taint the source.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv301-22.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv301-23.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-04.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-05.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-06.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-07.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-08.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-09.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-10.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-11.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-12.jpg
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14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-15.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-16.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-17.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-18.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-19.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-20.jpg
20. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-21.jpg
21. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-22.jpg
22. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_02-23.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from New Gods v4 6 & 8. Darkseid kills Orion while being dead by creating his own body out of Orion. Later he brings Orion back to life and easily defeats him while Orion is in berserker fury.

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Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power almost kills orion.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-07.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-09.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-10.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-11.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-14.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-16.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-18.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/jkfw-17-19.jpg

Same Kalibak vs a weakened Darkseid.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-16.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-17.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/jkfw-18-18.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from Orion 5. It is a staged fight from Darkseid.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p02and03.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p04.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p05.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p06and07.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p08.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p09.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p10.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p11.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p12.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p13.jpg
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12. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p15.jpg
13. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p16.jpg
14. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p17.jpg
15. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p18.jpg
16. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p19.jpg
17. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p20.jpg
18. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p21.jpg
19. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Orion05p22.jpg

He actually admits later he could have easily killed Orion, but pretended to even die to further stain his soul so that Darksied and him could rule the universe.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion13kebbin15-1.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion014OCD-21.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion014OCD-22.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/orion15kebbin08.jpg

Orion vs Darkseid from The Legion 29. Darkseid manhandles Orion with one hand.

7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-19.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-20.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-21.jpg

Kalibak with a portion of Darkseid's power beats down Orion casually. He overpowered Orion with one hand even.

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Darkseid vs Orion and Mr. Miracle from Firestorm 35. Darkseid koes both with literally a wave of his hand.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/RacerX-Firestorm35-p20.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/RacerX-Firestorm35-p21.jpg

Darkseid vs Orion from Countdown 2. Orion finally fulfills the prophecy but there is context as well. Darkseid has just faced Superman and Jimmy Olsen with the power of all new gods. Orion is also sent by the Source to kill Darkseid.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p09.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p10.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p11.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p12.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p13.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p14.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p15.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p16.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p17.jpg
10. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p18.jpg
11. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p19.jpg
12. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p20.jpg
13. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown2p21.jpg

Now to his other son Kalibak who by Orion's own admission as strong as he is.

https://s6.postimg.org/epviuco6p/Fourth_World_09_014.jpg

Darkseid incinerates Kalibak with just a touch.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/new_gods2_012_23_rougher.jpg

Kills Kalibak again with just one attack.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Mister_Miracle_Specialv1_001Imbie21.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Mister_Miracle_Specialv1_001Imbie38.jpg

Darkseid manhandles Kalibak.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanAliensII4of4-06.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanAliensII4of4-07.jpg

Or simply backhands him away.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg11.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Genesis4pg12.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman

Weakened Darkseid vs Superboy and Supergirl (amped by Highfather). Darkseid banishes superboy and beats Supergirl until she is saved by Legion.

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-29.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-35.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-36.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-37.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-38.jpg
6. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-39.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Action Comics 638. Darkseid defeats him with a single blast.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/action638-2122horus.jpg

Darkseid swats Superman away when he tried to rush him. Cosmic Odyssey 2.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_031.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_032.jpg

Darkseid vs Infinity Man (Shown to be more powerful than Superman in the same issue) and Superman. Adventures of Superman 495.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p16.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p17.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman495p19.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from New Gods 10. Darkseid brings Superman to his knees even though he is not trying to kill him.


1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv310-05.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv310-06.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman again from Superman Man of Steel 116. Darkseid physically subdues Superman in 3 punches.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofSteel11.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-1.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-2.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-3.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-4.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/B17-All-OutWar-SupermanManofStee-5.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Adventure of Superman 595. This is Imperiex probe shredding version of Superman and Darkseid is weakened due to expanding Omega Beams on Imperiex. Darkseid still stalemates Superman.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg09.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg10.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg11.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg14.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg15.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg16.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg17.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg18.jpg

Weakened Darkseid vs a young Superman and Legion from The Legion 29. Darkseid shuts them down with a wave of his hand. His younger self releases them. The older Darkseid is killed by Orion while the younger Darkseid manhandles Orion.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-10.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-11.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-15.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-16.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-17.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-18.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-19.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-20.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-21.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Apokolips Now 1. This is not a straight up victory for Superman as Darkseid is hit by his own omega beams and loses due to Superman beating his eyes shut. Easily comparable to a weakened Masterson Thor swelling Odin's eye shut with just one hammer shot.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage15.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage16.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage17.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage22.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage25.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage26.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage30.jpg
10. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage31.jpg
11. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/ApokolipsNowPage32.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Superman Confidential 8. Darkseid literally slaps away a charging Superman.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_17.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_18.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_19.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential08_20.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman again from Superman Confidential 10. Superman is bloodied and battered and needed Infinity Man to stop Darkseid from killing him.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_13.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_14.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Supermanconfidential010_16.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman from Superman/Batman 13. Darkseid stuns Superman with one backhand and is defeated after he is hit by his own omega beams and Superman takes him to the sun to gain an amp.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13h.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13i.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman13k.jpg


Darkseid vs Superman from Superman/Batman 42. Superman suckershots Darkseid and punches him a few times. Darkseid teleports away.


http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman42a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/villains/darkseid/supermanbatman42b.jpg

Darkseid vs Superman again from Countdown 3. This is the best showing Superman has against Darkseid in straight up fight.


1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p04.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p05-06.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p07.jpg
4. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p08.jpg
5. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p09.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p10.jpg
7. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p11.jpg
8. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p13.jpg
9. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p14.jpg
10. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Countdown3p15.jpg

Darkseid gets bored and activates Jimmy Olsen's power to incapacitate Superman.

Odin.

Odin brings Thor and Valkyrie to life. He struggles to do so and is nearly drained after doing so.

https://s6.postimg.org/djr2c6iy9/Thor_V1_300-010.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/52rk19e9d/Thor_V1_300-011.jpg


Darkseid brings Orion back to life easily.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-08.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-10.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-11.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/NewGodsv3_07-12.jpg

Darkseid actually revives Secret (a ghost) stripping her of all power. Odin has never done so in my recall.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-18.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-19.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-20.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/YJ-055-21.jpg

Odin brings an entire town back to normal after the people were turned to stone.

http://i.imgur.com/BzTF9H2.jpg

Highfather returns an entire town back to normal after the people were turned into animals and the town was destroyed.

https://s6.postimg.org/maoweynht/Mister_Miracle.v2_002.Imbie.20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/e3wwndxf5/Mister_Miracle.v2_002.Imbie.21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/j1ah8hze9/Mister_Miracle.v2_002.Imbie.22.jpg

Odin returns all the worlds which were ravaged by Infinity back as they were.

https://s6.postimg.org/y6b6jrcz5/image.jpg

Highfather restores all the worlds after they were destroyed by Si'vaa even after he was absorbed by The Source.

https://s6.postimg.org/m1vx2s035/New_Gods11-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/3nldysnsh/New_Gods11-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/fyeciv9td/New_Gods11-21.jpg


But here the new gods have an edge. Even a normal new god can create entire universes.

http://s165.photobucket.com/user/Galan007/media/newgod.jpg.html

Darkseid himself has created entire realities to trap Mr Miracle.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_12.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_13.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_14.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_15.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SevenSoldiers_MisterMiracle04_16.jpg

Odin as no universe or reality creating feat that I know of. He severed the tenth realm from Yggdrasil though.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276539/5495249-9000015513-Origi.jpg

Odin teleports the entire population of Earth to a different dimension and keeps them in stasis and stops time on Earth.

https://i.imgur.com/fE7oVUL.jpg

A weakened Darkseid, teleports Daxam and Apokolips together across dimensions.

http://i.imgur.com/Su2NsIX.jpg

Darkseid pulls his younger self from past and the entire creation collapses.

http://imgur.com/a/4az6k

Odin sends Gladiator to future where he came from.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iHzoVyNpk5Q/VntVbzdRn4I/AAAAAAAAh_M/COlw0QrPsfc/s1600-Ic42/RCO034.jpg

Darkseid sends Slobo to 853rd century.

http://imgur.com/a/nrxpU

Here again Darkseid has an edge as omega sanction nearly destroyed entire DC timeline when Batman reappeared in current time after he was sent back in time by Darkseid.

http://i.imgur.com/ynlHj05.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EnrLtMr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/swivwmK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YlDp9Va.jpg

Just his death destroyed Milestone universe and ripped apart space time.

http://i.imgur.com/yI166uU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GMn05jA.jpg

Originally posted by PRBEYONDER
Odin.
Reason?

I know youre doing a thing, but thanks for the scans will be useful sometime I'm sure.

Odin

Originally posted by Damborgson
I know youre doing a thing, but thanks for the scans will be useful sometime I'm sure.
You're welcome.

That's a damn great job comparing them.

What's most impressive is these showings aren't even Darkseid's true form in the higher dimensional Sphere of the Gods which is even more powerful than the avatars of himself that are projected out to interact with the lower dimensional beings of the DC Multiverse.

Oh and the team Thanos/Darkseid wins.

Lol at the scan dump



Has Darkseids true form been shown on panel? Getting kinda old reading innuendo and about avatars. Would like to see the real deals feats

that was a sh!tload of work abhi. nice. some good stuff there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanks. I was just baffled by a reply on another board that Orion and Superman can beat Darkseid any day hence he is not that powerful.

In the same way if Darkseid is shown equal to Anti Monitor, AM is weak. All of DC gods are weak.

Meanwhile Thanos fighting Odin is a feat for Thanos. Same thing for Jane Thor.

The hypocrisy is mind boggling.


One of the reasons why I had my Comic Vine account deactivated. Misinformation and hypocrisy there was just mind boggling as well. Great job abhi. Never knew PreFlashpoint Darkseid was such a beast.

Holy Crap Abhi, talk about dropping the bomb.

Darkseid wins.

I think the real winner here is -K-M- and his darkseid respect thread

(Love me...please)

Originally posted by -K-M-
I think the real winner here is -K-M- and his darkseid respect thread

(Love me...please)
kisses

Odin.. Better feats.

Nice scan dump, but some mischaracterizations.

Odin .

Not because Ive been paying attention to feats. Mostly because I just finished american gods and am on a odin hype train


S09dNFfNysU

Shit loads of cherry picking and outright twisting context of fears in the scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid and Highfather destroy the source wall which encircles the whole universe and is nigh impenetrable.

Do they destroy the entire wall, or do they breach it? And does not the scan make it rather clear that it is impenetrable only to invaders that The Source protects itself from and not those coming out of necessity?



The scan is very specific with regard to what each of them contribute. Darkseid contributes a specific power as an acolyte of Anti-Life himself which allows them to turn some of Anti-Life's own power against him. Their combined contributions are like a recipe mix for the purpose of temporarily disabling their foe. With regard to destroying the realm/dimension (not called a universe), that is stated to be entirely accomplished by Fate and his spell. At least that is what the scan shows.



What exactly are you comparing here?



False. Odin is dying empowering a high powered, impregnable planetary defense system. The being who originally empowered the planet was a Celestial called The One Above All who sustained the planet indefinitely. When the need to sustain an impregnable defense system arose, that Celestial dies maintaining it, thus the need to capture and feed off of repeated cosmic level beings until they die. Odin is the next.

Odin is dying doing something that likewise caused a Celestial to die.



Yet you have no way to compare a defense system that nothing in the universe can overcome to Apokalips, wihich couldn't defend itself against Doomsday.

Below, Uthana Thot is shown holding an entire actual "universe" together using his personal power and will:

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/odin/Odin_Uthana_Thoth_3.jpg

And we see that Odin overpowers him until attacked from behind:

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111299631/5679713-0778220928-RCO01.jpg

Heck, if we bring up percentage of power needed to destroy a universe, Genis-Vell contributes 50% of the power needed to destroy the multiverse, yet King Thor, who is noted to be a novice at wielding the Odinforce, is still able to breach Genis's shield to strike him.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/7-vsKingThor2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd202/Genis101/Genis/7-vsKingThor3.jpg

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Do they destroy the entire wall, or do they breach it? And does not the scan make it rather clear that it is impenetrable only to invaders that The Source protects itself from and not those coming out of necessity?


They destroyed entire wall.

Which he stole from ALE and was shown still having it 20 years later in DOTNG. What about Highfather?

That's some manipulation of words if I ever saw one.

Fate is a universal being? Never knew that!



Odin struggling against a death god and Scott Free banishing one without any issues.



ermm

Did you even read what the comic said? The previous God wasn't a Celestial, just a random god.

Thor and company breached that impregnable wall with no issues.

And Odin is specifically dying from powering the planet.



That wasn't a Celestial.

Nothing in the universe? That's a bold claim.

Come now. If you want to show us something impressive, here is Highfather's creation literally holding godwave at bay.



http://imgur.com/9bzmKEU
http://imgur.com/V6q9Jgz
http://imgur.com/ENUnNSF

Darkseid casually created Takion's equal Stayne out of nothing.

Genius merely provided the spark which helped entropy kill eternity.

But an alternate reality Thor broke his shield, is that it? You are really that desperate.

Originally posted by SithLantern93
One of the reasons why I had my Comic Vine account deactivated. Misinformation and hypocrisy there was just mind boggling as well. Great job abhi. Never knew PreFlashpoint Darkseid was such a beast. Originally posted by zopzop
Holy Crap Abhi, talk about dropping the bomb.

Darkseid wins.
Thanks.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Shit loads of cherry picking and outright twisting context of fears in the scans.
ermm

Originally posted by leonidas

Don't you know, I even gave issue numbers on each part to twist the scans and context!!!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
They destroyed entire wall.

Can you confirm that? Or at least give the issue and number?



Highfather provides the same thing Orion provides. A connection to the source which adds to the ability to attack their foe. Nothing to do with destroying a universe.



By destroying a realm/dimension? Hasn't Dr. Strange done that? Hasn't Hulk?



Two different characters, two different circumstances. Can I cite Hyperion being defeated by someone to show that that same someone can beat Superman? You don't accept that.



Close enough if not. Especially with the name.



Thor and company never breach it, but are teleported in once Thor is determined to be a replacement for Odin as a power source.



Odin is also powering the defense shield that kills The One Above All. TOAA is fine while indefinitely powering the planet, yet dies powering the shield.



It sure has the look of one and the name of one.



Nothing so far, including Thor's sustained effort. and previously, an armada consisting of multiple empires (Skrulls, etc.).



Well, I guess we will have to see how you misrepresent that.



Were exactly did you get that from?



What alternate reality? That's 616 Thor with Odin Power.

Odin better feats, but its a battle DS is Odin equal

Originally posted by abhilegend
Come now. If you want to show us something impressive, here is Highfather's creation literally holding godwave at bay.



http://imgur.com/9bzmKEU
http://imgur.com/V6q9Jgz
http://imgur.com/ENUnNSF

Darkseid casually created Takion's equal Stayne out of nothing.


So he's manipulating the energies to create holes and pathways? WOW that's grand!!!!!! Almost as impressive as manipulating The Crunch.

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
Odin .

Not because Ive been paying attention to feats. Mostly because I just finished american gods and am on a odin hype train


S09dNFfNysU


https://68.media.tumblr.com/c78957a923fea70f26aa79b53858e832/tumblr_orrs5rJjKK1vwajmoo8_250.gifhttps://68.media.tumblr.com/3ef6b76c0edffde41bb317eb55d1504f/tumblr_orrs5rJjKK1vwajmoo4_250.gif
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https://68.media.tumblr.com/cc99801ce50d4919cf36713f54f8d55d/tumblr_orrs5rJjKK1vwajmoo3_250.gifhttps://68.media.tumblr.com/0c6c6a24d042e622565815bee3fcc618/tumblr_orrs5rJjKK1vwajmoo10_250.gif

👍👍 yea odin is sexy af

he's better in deadwood, one of the all-time great cable shows.

Originally posted by leonidas
he's better in deadwood, one of the all-time great cable shows.

His Al Swearengen was guuud. His lines were the best. Heck the overall banter was top notch.
One of the most underrated cable shows out there.

swarengen.... droolio

Originally posted by leonidas
he's better in deadwood, one of the all-time great cable shows.

I was just watching that the other day. I think deadwood had more depth to draw on..definate classic...leo have u seen pierce brosnan new western on amc? Im hearing mixed reviews

Originally posted by leonidas
he's better in deadwood, one of the all-time great cable shows.

Terrible ending though

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I was just watching that the other day. I think deadwood had more depth to draw on..definate classic...leo have u seen pierce brosnan new western on amc? Im hearing mixed reviews

nope, haven't seen it. series?

@km--the ending was pretty good imo. not what i was expecting, but i think the situation worked out pretty well. it mostly worked for me, though i might have preferred something different. they never could have fit it all in had it gone the way everyone was thinking it might. consistent talk of more deadwood to come though, so keeping fingers crossed but not holding my breath.

Abhi.. Magnificent job. This comprehensive DS/Odin comparison needs to go on HC.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Can you confirm that? Or at least give the issue and number?

Already given. New Gods 10-11.







Your lowballing is amusing. But do tell where Fate got that power?

https://s6.postimg.org/olsgzmlil/co-04-022.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/lxyfbj33h/co-04-023.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/stn98dmy5/co-04-024.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/3l2fepi0d/co-04-025.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/c4ltcgqct/co-04-026.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/ji17bfael/co-04-027.jpg



No.





Yes, I know. Black Racer is far more powerful than a mere death god as Seth. Banishing him is far more impressive. My mistake.





Haha, seriously? Also the god died creating the wall. Odin was dying powering up it.

https://s6.postimg.org/hqctu9gfl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/nm263x6cx/image.jpg



Also Thor managed to breach it. Orion stunned himself trying to break a barrier created by a portion of Darkseid's power wielded by Kalibak.

https://s6.postimg.org/xyogpzzw1/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/v5v95yzjl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/opmafvr01/new_gods_012_07_rougher.jpg



Thor breached it barely and on the chance that he could do it, he was teleported.





The god died creating the wall. Odin was merely powering it and died.







You can't even troll properly.





You don't say.





No lowballing I gather?





The comic?





Is it? And all he did was smash his shields, Genis was shown far more powerful than even Odin when he killed one of storm giants with one blast while Odin had to fight them for long at a lesser power level.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So he's manipulating the energies to create holes and pathways? WOW that's grand!!!!!! Almost as impressive as manipulating The Crunch.


ermm

This is not even worth a reply.

Originally posted by panthergod
Abhi.. Magnificent job. This comprehensive DS/Odin comparison needs to go on HC.
Thanks.

Another comparison with a herald level character. Remember the soul survivor who stole Odin's power? He was powered up exponentially by absorbing the souls of a planet and far more powerful than he was when he had the power of Odin.

https://s6.postimg.org/ubdaxoh2p/Quasar_36_09.jpg

https://s6.postimg.org/x2wkoafld/Quasar_36_10.jpg

Soul Survivor vs Quasar.

https://s6.postimg.org/fqw82um41/Quasar_36_02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/4nh7azq7l/Quasar_36_03.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/6gk3zbbe9/Quasar_36_04.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/xw96gwlm9/Quasar_36_06.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ubdaxoh2p/Quasar_36_09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/x2wkoafld/Quasar_36_10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/cp5fsw8z5/Quasar_36_11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/e5gyb1bw1/Quasar_36_12.jpg
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https://s6.postimg.org/6gopd20s1/Quasar_36_18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ggjlsyc1d/Quasar_36_19.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/wg29ci835/Quasar_36_20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/vnzldb3w1/Quasar_36_21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/5w9oad7jl/Quasar_36_22.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Another comparison with a herald level character. Remember the soul survivor who stole Odin's power? He was powered up exponentially by absorbing the souls of a planet and far more powerful than he was when he had the power of Odin.

I believe he absorbed the souls of everyone that died when the Nega Bomb exploded in Kree space. That was a GALAXY wide extinction event. So it wasn't just a planet's worth of souls he absorbed, it was GALAXY wide. I hope someone has the issue handy and can double check.

The Soul Survivor Quasar faced was FAR, FAR more powerful than the one that took on Asgard.

Originally posted by zopzop
I believe he absorbed the souls of everyone that died when the Nega Bomb exploded in Kree space. That was a GALAXY wide extinction event. So it wasn't just a planet's worth of souls he absorbed, it was GALAXY wide. I hope someone has the issue handy and can double check.

The Soul Survivor Quasar faced was FAR, FAR more powerful than the one that took on Asgard.
It was said that the souls of the kree homeworld were absorbed and it were "untold billions".

Curious if their referring to my darkseid scans that were "cherry picked" and "twisted" as I will gladly argue them

KM, you'd do anything to be considered relevant. I can see why you're Canadian.

Just because I'm semi retired from debating doesn't mean I won't teach some whipper snappers

Don't take this from me...I neeeeeed it

Originally posted by abhilegend
Already given. New Gods 10-11.

Is this not the wall with a big hole in it?

http://readcomicbooksonline.net/reader/New_Gods_1995/Chapter_11/11

Is not Dr. Strange destroying a dimension here?

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/198/4480/640/strange%20tales%2051.jpg

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Is this not the wall with a big hole in it?

http://readcomicbooksonline.net/reader/New_Gods_1995/Chapter_11/11

Is not Dr. Strange destroying a dimension here?

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/198/4480/640/strange%20tales%2051.jpg
No.

The dimension wasn't destroyed as it was later shown intact in Champions.

What happened that both Highfather and Darkseid were needed to balance the madness in Source. They destroyed the wall but as only Highfather sacrificed himself, the wall was only partially rebuilt.

If anyone wants to argue how indestructible Source Wall is, here is Yuga Khan trying to destroy just a facsimile of the source wall on new Genesis after draining planets across galaxy and failing miserably.

https://s15.postimg.org/q51svrhjr/RCO015_1462727458.jpg https://s12.postimg.org/d8flms5zt/RCO017_1462727458.jpg https://s21.postimg.org/461tl01vn/RCO018_1462727458.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
Just because I'm semi retired from debating doesn't mean I won't teach some whipper snappers

Don't take this from me...I neeeeeed it

oh he was definitely calling you out. probably because you're a known twisterer.

http://viralviralvideos.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF--Staring-Look-Looking-wonder-wondering-horrified-stare-wrestling-GIF.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
What happened that both Highfather and Darkseid were needed to balance the madness in Source. They destroyed the wall but as only Highfather sacrificed himself, the wall was only partially rebuilt.

If anyone wants to argue how indestructible Source Wall is, here is Yuga Khan trying to destroy just a facsimile of the source wall on new Genesis after draining planets across galaxy and failing miserably.

https://s15.postimg.org/q51svrhjr/RCO015_1462727458.jpg https://s12.postimg.org/d8flms5zt/RCO017_1462727458.jpg https://s21.postimg.org/461tl01vn/RCO018_1462727458.jpg

Now this is some pretty made up stuff here. The wall is breached. We see the hole in it. It is specifically stated to have been breached because neither Highfather nor Darkseid come as invaders. Otherwise, they would not have been able to breach it.

Strange does destroy the dimension. The dimension showing up in an unrelated story that ignores it doesn't change that.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Now this is some pretty made up stuff here. The wall is breached. We see the hole in it. It is specifically stated to have been breached because neither Highfather nor Darkseid come as invaders. Otherwise, they would not have been able to breach it.

Strange does destroy the dimension. The dimension showing up in an unrelated story that ignores it doesn't change that.
ermm

Now who is making stuff up?

No, Strange informs he will make the realm vanish just like Ancient One did. Champions didn't ignore the story seeing its the only story where the character even appeared.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Now who is making stuff up?

No, Strange informs he will make the realm vanish just like Ancient One did. Champions didn't ignore the story seeing its the only story where the character even appeared.

His appearance in Champions is a flashback to a past meeting with Pluto. This doesn't contradict anything. Strange destroys that realm. Your comparisons are inaccurate and misrepresenting.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
His appearance in Champions is a flashback to a past meeting with Pluto. This doesn't contradict anything. Strange destroys that realm. Your comparisons are inaccurate and misrepresenting.
Haha, what? The meeting happened because Pluto wanted allies in present.

You're as always bitching and moaning and trying to lowball.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Highfather restores all the worlds after they were destroyed by Si'vaa even after he was absorbed by The Source.

https://s6.postimg.org/m1vx2s035/New_Gods11-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/3nldysnsh/New_Gods11-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/fyeciv9td/New_Gods11-21.jpg


It's not "even after he was absorbed by The Source". It's "because he was absorbed by The Source". He is using the power of The Source to do all of this.

And regarding the Scans of Darkseid allegedly teleporting Daxam and Apolkolips. Isn't that non-canon?

why would the gds be outside of canon?

Originally posted by leonidas
why would the gds be outside of canon?
Alternate timeline. Digi amended the rule about non cannon sources to include alternate timelines way back when specifically to deal with people bringing it up in every DS thread.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).

This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.

Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.

An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.

This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

but do we know for sure it IS an alternate timeline? we know ds wasn't affected by the crisis, so i'm still unclear on how gds gets lumped into the 'non-canon' category? is there some panel proof somewhere that expressly supports it being an alternate timeline and non-canon?

Originally posted by leonidas
but do we know for sure it IS an alternate timeline? we know ds wasn't affected by the crisis, so i'm still unclear on how gds gets lumped into the 'non-canon' category? is there some panel proof somewhere that expressly supports it being an alternate timeline and non-canon?
When it was released it took place thousands of years in the future and there's been multple multiversal reboots since then so it's an alternate timeline. Besides, as a standard future versions of a characters are never allowed as evidence to use for current versions characters.

there are exceptions though, as the whole "OTHER" arc in spiderman displayed pretty clearly. a future CAN be linked directly to the present and so be canon. and seeing as how ds's personal space/time is different from the normal space/time anyway, not sure how it can be said with any certainty that it's an alternate timeline and not canon ds in the future. i figured there would be some direct proof rather than a straight declaration. i was also under the impression that dc had established some sort of....mega-canon, wherein almost every story was considered canon nowadays...?

Originally posted by leonidas
there are exceptions though, as the whole "OTHER" arc in spiderman displayed pretty clearly.

What scene do you have in mind?

The Other best moment was Aunt May wearing the Iron Man suit

Originally posted by leonidas
there are exceptions though, as the whole "OTHER" arc in spiderman displayed pretty clearly. a future CAN be linked directly to the present and so be canon. and seeing as how ds's personal space/time is different from the normal space/time anyway, not sure how it can be said with any certainty that it's an alternate timeline and not canon ds in the future. i figured there would be some direct proof rather than a straight declaration. i was also under the impression that dc had established some sort of....mega-canon, wherein almost every story was considered canon nowadays...?
Even if it were cannon to DS, the forum rule/policy still excludes it. By the same token many argue that JLA/Avengers is cannon and it may very well be, but it doesn't matter because it's still not allowed. Because it can derail virtually every Marvel vs DC thread.

Seriously, I know for a fact that it applies to DS/GDS because I was the one who talked Digi into amending the rule. DS supporters refused to acknowledge that the rule applied even under the more common sense wording of the original rule(you gotta remember, this was back in the days of nvr and Trick) until it specifically mentioned alternate timelines so he changed it to kill the arguement before it even began.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


So rare exceptions are allowed, then?

Like the GDS

Furthermore, Carver never specified pre or post Crisis, just to be pedantic, as it seems that's what we're down to, lol.

Just preDCnU.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So rare exceptions are allowed, then?

Like the GDS
No, not GDS lol. It'd be like allowing feats for the future version of Glads in that one fight with Thor for his current version.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, not GDS lol

Well, I don't see the GDS as being excluded specifically in the rules, as you said.

Only that alt. timelines are excluded - except for rare occasions, lol.

Ask Bada, he'll ban GDS in a nanosecond. And you.

And every other DC fanboy if I ask him real nicely...

https://68.media.tumblr.com/e8e0a9d281d7abdf84f68217f31edd05/tumblr_ogncmrwoTO1qzfwwoo1_500.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, I don't see the GDS as being excluded specifically in the rules, as you said.

Only that alt. timelines are excluded - except for rare occasions, lol.
It's an alternate timeline featuring a version of DS far in the future. If you want to be an exception you'd need a Mod ruling saying that the standard rule DOESN'T apply. We don't consider all alternate showings cannon until they're proven to be non cannon after all. Just like the Glads/Thor fight and I'm pretty sure that he was plucked from a point in time far closer to his fight than seperates GDS from current continuity(GDS takes place many thousands of years in the future iirc).

canon*

Cannon is this:

https://68.media.tumblr.com/f467e7fcdbdb68eff6dd79aa0dab1200/tumblr_oklei5sroG1tix6zzo1_500.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
canon*

Cannon is this:

https://68.media.tumblr.com/f467e7fcdbdb68eff6dd79aa0dab1200/tumblr_oklei5sroG1tix6zzo1_500.gif
My bad lol.

Well, I just thought that the rule was altered specifically for the GDS - and I see it being applied as a blanket across ALL alt. timelines.

Except, we can't just apply it as a blanket ruling. Because the ruling specifically says 'rare occasions'.

Now, obv that is for the mods to clarify and whatnot. But I am just pointing out that we can't just quote that ruling as proof - when it clearly says that there are rare occasions where it does not apply.

It's like saying drugs are always banned in sports...but there are occasions when it's allowed. When? Doesn't say. Clarification is of course needed, to point out the occasions when it IS allowed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, I just thought that the rule was altered specifically for the GDS - and I see it being applied as a blanket across ALL alt. timelines.

Except, we can't just apply it as a blanket ruling. Because the ruling specifically says 'rare occasions'.

Now, obv that is for the mods to clarify and whatnot. But I am just pointing out that we can't just quote that ruling as proof - when it clearly says that there are rare occasions where it does not apply.

It's like saying drugs are always banned in sports...but there are occasions when it's allowed. When? Doesn't say. Clarification is of course needed, to point out the occasions when it IS allowed.
It's always said "with rare exceptions", even before it was amended lol. But when I asked about it via PM back the answer I got in regards was a flat out "no of course not, that'd be rediculous". Obviously we have different Mods now who might decide differently, but in general they don't seem to like to actually outright overrule things Digi and Tron set up back in the day. Nowadays they've made more rules against things that are canon being barred than they have exceptions for things that are against the rules being allowed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's always said "with rare exceptions", even before it was amended lol. But when I asked about it via PM back the answer I got in regards was a flat out "no of course not, that'd be rediculous". Obviously we have different Mods now who might decide differently, but in general they don't seem to like to actually outright overrule things Digi and Tron set up back in the day.

Ah, I see.....I thought it was something different.

Nonetheless, Carver never specified

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, I see.....I thought it was something different.

Nonetheless, Carver never specified
Oh no, I never meant that the arc was specifically in the rules. I just meant that the rules were amended to include characters with multiple versions and alternate timelines specifically to exclude the GDS. Digi didn't like to make rulings on specific characters because he knew that people would ignore the rule when it applied to other characters too, he prefered to make the rules clear enough that it was obvious who all they applied to. He was all about fairness across the board.

Cool.

So with rare exceptions, it's a ruling.

Again, however, to reiterate: Carver said pre DCnU. So all showings are game anyway.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

So with rare exceptions, it's a ruling.

Again, however, to reiterate: Carver said pre DCnU. So all showings are game anyway.
No it's still not allowed until it's PROVEN to be allowed because the general rule is that alternate timelines and such are barred. There doesn't need to be an OP stipluation that the standard rules are in play.

The reverse rule of that is the interviews rule; only the obscure ones cannot be used.

ODG got his neck snapped by Pr for misinterpreting the rules, so better be quiet, Asian Saint.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No it's still not allowed until it's PROVEN to be allowed because the general rule is that alternate timelines and such are barred. There doesn't need to be an OP stipluation that the standard rules are in play.

The general rule, yes.

Except in rare occasions.

I'm sure it may well be the case. But until it's clarified, no. This is the rare occasion it's allowed, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is the rare occasion it's allowed, lol.

Says who?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The general rule, yes.

Except in rare occasions.

I'm sure it may well be the case. But until it's clarified, no. This is the rare occasion it's allowed, lol.
No you'd have to establish that this is a rare exception, you can't just say it is and then expect everyone to acknowledge it as such lol. By the same token, feats from continuity are allowed EXCEPT JLA/Avengers which is specifically noted in the rule. There'd need to be something in either the rule itself or the character rulings thread to note that it's an exeption to the general rule. People don't have to prove you wrong about it being an exception, you have to prove yourself right.

Well rules never specify.

Everything which is not forbidden, is allowed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulla_poena_sine_lege

Says that rare occasions, alt. Timelines are allowed
In the absence of a ruling clarifying what this means, they're allowed.

Of course, if a mod rules GDS is not canon, that's perfectly fine with me.

But the rules, as they are written, allow for rare occasions. And this is a rare occasion.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No you'd have to establish that this is a rare exception, you can't just say it is and then expect everyone to acknowledge it as such lol. By the same token, feats from continuity are allowed EXCEPT JLA/Avengers which is specifically noted in the rule. There'd need to be something in either the rule itself or the character rulings thread to note that it's an exeption to the general rule. People don't have to prove you wrong about it being an exception, you have to prove yourself right.

Don't worry, I've reported him vin

---

DS :*

Originally posted by darthgoober
No you'd have to establish that this is a rare exception, you can't just say it is and then expect everyone to acknowledge it as such lol. By the same token, feats from continuity are allowed EXCEPT JLA/Avengers which is specifically noted in the rule. There'd need to be something in either the rule itself or the character rulings thread to note that it's an exeption to the general rule. People don't have to prove you wrong about it being an exception, you have to prove yourself right.

Sure.

How many time have I argued that alt. Timelines count as canon, in my time here (nigh on 6years, I believe)?

This is the first time, in my thousands of posts.

So it's a rare occasion.

35331 > 29187

Mine's bigger ofc, but yours is decent for Asian standards fo' sho'.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well rules never specify.

Everything which is not forbidden, is allowed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nulla_poena_sine_lege

Says that rare occasions, alt. Timelines are allowed
In the absence of a ruling clarifying what this means, they're allowed.

Of course, if a mod rules GDS is not canon, that's perfectly fine with me.

But the rules, as they are written, allow for rare occasions. And this is a rare occasion.
You have to prove something being an exception to the rule. We don't need the Mods to step in and say that the rule applies, you'd need to have one step in to say that it doesn't. You're the one going against the grain, therefor you have to be the one to prove such a thing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure.

How many time have I argued that alt. Timelines count as canon, in my time here (nigh on 6years, I believe)?

This is the first time, in my thousands of posts.

So it's a rare occasion.
Ah so you're not seriously pitching it, that's cool then.

But I have.

It says on rare occasions, they're allowed.

I'm saying it's a rare occasion, because a very significantly large amount of the time, we don't have arguments like this about alt. Timelines, and all agree they're non canon.

I don't have to prove it's canon, am merely pointing out that the rules clearly state that exceptions, rare as they are, are allowed.

http://i.imgur.com/JNZBA8m.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I have.

It says on rare occasions, they're allowed.

I'm saying it's a rare occasion, because a very significantly large amount of the time, we don't have arguments like this about alt. Timelines, and all agree they're non canon.

I don't have to prove it's canon, am merely pointing out that the rules clearly state that exceptions, rare as they are, are allowed.
Yeah if they're proven to be an exception, they're allowed. But they're not valid until they are. And obviously "rarity" isn't determined by post count. Otherwise Quanchi would have 3 or 4 "exceptions" where others have to prove him wrong coming to him because the sheer volume of his posts lol.

146455... he even got banned for reaching such high post count, lol.

Then what's the criteria? In the absence of it, I have just as much justification for using it.

'Performance enhancing drugs are banned, except in rare circumstances'.

If I had that as a ruling at the Olympics, without any further clarifications, there'd be mayhem.

Until clarification is given, I'm going to continue juicing up on Venom.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then what's the criteria? In the absence of it, I have just as much justification for using it.

'Performance enhancing drugs are banned, except in rare circumstances'.

If I had that as a ruling at the Olympics, without any further clarifications, there'd be mayhem.

Until clarification is given, I'm going to continue juicing up on Venom.
I told you the criteria, you got to get the mod ruling. Put it this way, in all they years KMC has been around afaik there's been two rulings about such a thing and it's the ones in regards to JLA/Avengers and Greenscar/WBH... both instances of saying something that otherwise would/should be allowed ISN'T. The "with rare exceptions" thing is just there to acknowledge the possibility of something being an exception eventually, not to point out that there are exceptions floating around all over the place.

By the same token, if you want to get recognized as a special case exception to an established law you got to go before a judge and have him/her rule in your favor. You don't get to declare yourself a special case and expect everyone else to go along with it until a judge declares otherwise.

Technically it was said GDS darkseid was weaker then his past self as that's why he was trying to absorb energy to regain his power

Originally posted by -K-M-
Technically it was said GDS darkseid was weaker then his past self as that's why he was trying to absorb energy to regain his power
I may be remembering wrong but didn't he lack the ALE in the GDS? Because he's had is since the GDS was released. Therefor the reference could be that he lacked it in that future. This is why future versions aren't allowed, there's too many rectons and other potential variables that can't be accounted for and we spend a lot more time researching than writers do. I mean do you recall how many thousands of years in the future it's set off the top of your head?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I may be remembering wrong but didn't he lack the ALE in the GDS? Because he's had is since the GDS was released. Therefor the reference could be that he lacked it in that future. This is why future versions aren't allowed, there's too many rectons and other potential variables that can't be accounted for and we spend a lot more time researching than writers do. I mean do you recall how many thousands of years in the future it's set off the top of your head?

Didn't reference the ALE

Again similar story happened in the other legion timeline (volume 4). As per multiversity it's all canon to darkseid and as per crisis all three legion timelines are still active

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/The%20Multiversity%20-%20Guidebook%202014-%20001-013_zpszfhpfgtk.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71NagWZYuKL.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
Didn't reference the ALE

Again similar story happened in the other legion timeline (volume 4). As per multiversity it's all canon to darkseid and as per crisis all four legion timelines are still active

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/The%20Multiversity%20-%20Guidebook%202014-%20001-013_zpszfhpfgtk.jpg
It still happened far in the future correct? That's mean it's not yet canon for him. It'll be canon for him once his current form actually goes into the ground, has his big sleep, comes out and goes through the ordeal.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It still happened far in the future correct? That's mean it's not yet canon for him.

To a degree. Future darkseid brought young darkseid into the future to steal his body and experienced that

Again as per his own statement future darkseid in both the legion timelines said he was weaker then his past self. Even tried to take his younger selfs body

Originally posted by -K-M-
To a degree. Future darkseid brought young darkseid into the future to steal his body and experienced that

Again as per his own statement future darkseid in both the legion timelines said he was weaker then his past self. Even tried to take his younger selfs body
It's still an alternate timeline that "our" version of DS hasn't experienced yet. I'm not saying it's excluded by way of logic/reason I'm saying it's excluded by way of forum rules because it's an alternate timeline. It was written during the Pre Crisis era when DS was treated really well, then he got toned down a lot, now his stock's back up, and who knows what the Hell he'll be like when DC decides to do another reboot which demonstrates the value of the rule. The rule is there to simplify things and allow debates to move forward, alternate version/timeline... therefor not applicable. There's enough nonsense to debate about in regards to comics without having to open a can of worms which allows for the potential of certain What Ifs, Elseworlds, and the like being brought up.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's still an alternate timeline that "our" version of DS hasn't experienced yet. I'm not saying it's excluded by way of logic/reason I'm it's excluded by way of forum rules because it's an alternate timeline. It was written during the Pre Crisis era when DS was treated really well, then he got toned down a lot, now his stock's back up, and who knows what the Hell he'll be like when DC decides to do another reboot which demonstrates the value of the rule. The rule is there to simplify things, alternate version/timeline... therefor not applicable. There's enough nonsense to debate about in regards to comics without having to open that can of worms which allows for the potential of certain What Ifs, Elseworlds, and the like being brought up.

"Our" version of darkseid was brought into the future and even fought future darkseid

Again as per darkseid referring to current timeline said he was weaker in BOTH the legion stories. As per final crisis those timelines are still canon and active. Not much to debate really anyway you look at it he was weaker then "our" darkseid. Technically every showing is all darkseid as per multiveristy

If we want to restrict it? Sure. But that doesn't mean it isn't canon

Originally posted by -K-M-
"Our" version of darkseid was brought into the future and even fought future darkseid

Again as per darkseid referring to current timeline said he was weaker in BOTH the legion stories. As per final crisis those timelines are still canon and active. Not much to debate really anyway you look at it he was weaker then "our" darkseid. Technically every showing is all darkseid as per multiveristy
He was PHYSICALLY weaker... he was basically a craggy old man. If Professor X were evil, brought his younger self from 40 years ago to the future to pull a brain switch because his younger self were "stonger" it wouldn't mean that old Evil X's telepathic feats were usable by young X.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He was PHYSICALLY weaker... he was basically a craggy old man. If Professor X were evil, brought his younger self to the future to pull a brain switch because his younger self were "stonger" it wouldn't mean that old Evil X's telepathic feats were usable by young X.

Yes. Physically. Future darkseid said he was superior in mind only due to his experience. Didn't say he had powers you don't have. Just more experienced...but didn't help him in the fight. While in GDS said he was weaker in power

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes. Physically. Future darkseid said he was superior in mind only due to his experience. Didn't say he had powers you don't have. Just more experienced...but didn't help him in the fight. While in GDS said he was weaker in power
Right so things like GDS's telepathic feats aren't really viable for current DS. If you're talking about things like pimp slaps I could see a case being made for them being viable(I'd still disagree, but I acknowledge that a case could be made)... except that it's an alternate timeline and therefor not allowed via forum rules.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Right so things like GDS's telepathic feats aren't really viable for current DS. If you're talking about things like pimp slaps I could see a case being made for them being viable... except that it's an alternate timeline and therefor not allowed via forum rules.

How so? He was talking about inteliegence not telepathic powers but experience

Again then that becomes murky seeing as current pre 52 darkseid was part of that story you're trying to say can't use

Originally posted by -K-M-
How so? He was talking about inteliegence not telepathic powers but experience

Again then that becomes murky seeing as current pre 52 darkseid was part of that story you're trying to say can't use
Experience and "superior in mind" matters a lot in regards to telepathy. That's how Emma Frost beat Rachel Grey. It's been so long since I've read it that I can't actually remember, did "young" DS specifically beat old DS in a telepathic battle?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Experience matters a lot in regards to telepathy. That's how Emma Frost beat Rachel Grey. It's been so long since I've read it that I can't actually remember, did "young" DS specifically beat old DS in a telepathic battle?

Except you know that's not what he was referring to. He literally said "I have the mind, seasoned by experience" literally talking about intelligence. If his powers were greater why didn't he show his superiority? Because you know as he said he was a shadow of his former self

No. Current darkseid manhandled shadow Orion and used his gun to kill future darkseid due to the prophecy and that's how it ended

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except you know that's not what he was referring to. He literally said "I have the mind, seasoned by experience" literally talking about intelligence. If his powers were greater why didn't he show his superiority? Because you know as he said he was a shadow of his former self

No. Current darkseid manhandled shadow Orion and used his gun to kill future darkseid due to the prophecy and that's how it ended
No I don't KNOW that anymore than you KNOW otherwise because there wasn't any kind of "on the nose" declaration of such. A shadow of his former self PHYSICALLY. If he wasn't supperior telepathically how would he ever be able to body switch?

So DS didn't even actually do the job under his own power but rather used Orion and the prophecy? If he was outright supperior in overall compared to his older self why didn't he just kill the guy without Orion?

Also if it's the EXACT same DS, did the old DS remember that he's going to lose against the younger DS(since the younger version would carry the memory when it was over after all)?

Originally posted by darthgoober
No I don't KNOW that anymore than you KNOW otherwise because there wasn't any kind of "on the nose" declaration of such. A shadow of his former self PHYSICALLY. If he wasn't supperior telepathically how would he ever be able to body switch?

So DS didn't even actually do the job under his own power but rather used Orion and the prophecy? If he was outright supperior in overall compared to his older self why didn't he just kill the guy without Orion?

Also if it's the EXACT same DS, did the old DS remember that he's going to lose against the younger DS(since the younger version would carry the memory when it was over after all)?

AND ENERGY-WISE. As noted by the Legion his power was fading so he was draining energy from his servants

Correct. But future Darkseid was fading as noted. He just ended it. He used Orion as he attacked him from behind when he was fighting against future DS. Same blast that he just tanked he killed future DS with .

No as time was being rewritten, but the new timeline became canon for current DS. It's a paradox, but once again doesn't mean NOT CANON.

Wasn't just simple time travel either. Older Darkseid explains to the newly born Darkseid how he brought him here, and precautions he made to ensure the universe in his time doesn’t get destroyed by multiplying the mass of the universe 10 years behind them causing a breakwater to protect the time from the ensuing onslaught about to come.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion028-26.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion028-27.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-07.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-
AND ENERGY-WISE. As noted by the Legion his power was fading so he was draining energy from his servants

Correct. But future Darkseid was fading as noted. He just ended it. He used Orion as he attacked him from behind when he was fighting against future DS. Same blast that he just tanked he killed future DS with .

No as time was being rewritten, but the new timeline became canon for current DS. It's a paradox, but once again doesn't mean NOT CANON.

Wasn't just simple time travel either. Older Darkseid explains to the newly born Darkseid how he brought him here, and precautions he made to ensure the universe in his time doesn’t get destroyed by multiplying the mass of the universe 10 years behind them causing a breakwater to protect the time from the ensuing onslaught about to come.

1. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion028-26.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion028-27.jpg
3. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/TheLegion029-07.jpg

Right, he was physically dying from being super old so he was draining energy from servants to stay alive... but that doesn't mean DS is better when it comes to using/manipulating the OE or anything like that. And it certainly doesn't mean that young DS is superior telepathically.

So it's a totally different version of DS from an alternate timeline/universe which means using GDS DS's feats for current DS would totally qualify as "feat sharing" between different characters from different universes. And on KMC there's a fairly strict policy against that kind of thing.

I'm not in anyway saying that DS going to the future alternate timeline isn't canon for him. I'm saying that Old DS's feats aren't valid for Young DS.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Right, he was physically dying from being super old so he was draining energy from servants to stay alive... that doesn't mean DS is better when it comes to using/manipulating the OE or anything like that. And it certainly doesn't mean that young DS is superior telepathically.

So it's a totally different version of DS from an alternate timeline/universe which means using GDS for current DS would totally qualify as "feat sharing" between different characters from different universes. And on KMC there's a fairly strict policy against that kind of thing.

I'm not in anyway saying that DS going to the future alternate timeline isn't canon for him. I'm saying that Old DS's feats aren't valid for Young DS.

As per old DS yes, yes he was. So you're the one who said he was more powerful telepathically back it up. We know body classic DS was more powerful and had more energy. Only advantage future DS had was his mind due to experience. NOT POWER and wasn't referring to telepathy. Again even GDS DS said he was weaker then his current day self. You're arguing on-panel statements that really cant be argued.

Ah Lawd. Current DS that was in the new timeline is still current DS he was exposed to new timeline and is current DS. Doesn't matter if the timeline changed, it was still present day DS and new timeline still made that present day DS. We even have present day DS fight future DS as a direct comparison. What more do you want?

Yet here we are and you're still fighting tooth and nail for something that is 100% canon to current DS. Well even GDS is canon as well. To a degree again as once again in two separate timelines old DS said he was weaker, not stronger, didn't have more powers but weaker then current day self. Were approaching the I don't like it so I'm ignoring it debate.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What scene do you have in mind?

The Other best moment was Aunt May wearing the Iron Man suit

sorry, it was spiderverse, not the other....

this scene:

https://imgur.com/jMQTJqh

cementing the fact that 2099 is the 616 of the future and not an alternate like so many believed. there were actually more references throughout as well.

Originally posted by -K-M-
As per old DS yes, yes he was. So you're the one who said he was more powerful telepathically back it up. We know body classic DS was more powerful and had more energy. Only advantage future DS had was his mind due to experience. NOT POWER and wasn't referring to telepathy. Again even GDS DS said he was weaker then his current day self. You're arguing on-panel statements that really cant be argued.

Ah Lawd. Current DS that was in the new timeline is still current DS he was exposed to new timeline and is current DS. Doesn't matter if the timeline changed, it was still present day DS and new timeline still made that present day DS. We even have present day DS fight future DS as a direct comparison. What more do you want?

Yet here we are and you're still fighting tooth and nail for something that is 100% canon to current DS. Well even GDS is canon as well. To a degree again as once again in two separate timelines old DS said he was weaker, not stronger, didn't have more powers but weaker then current day self. Were approaching the I don't like it so I'm ignoring it debate.

Old DS said that the younger version was better at using/manipulating the OE and telepathy? Well you could have just posting him a scan of him saying that from the get go to end this debate. Post it now and I'll totally concede the point.

Again, I'm not saying that current DS wasn't there in that timeline, I'm saying that he's not going to grow into that particular old DS. If he were then the old DS would have remembered the fight from his younger days. That means it's an alternate version of the character.

I don't know why you think that I'm saying DS's own feats from the GDS aren't relevant for him because I totally believe they are. Just as if Supes/Surfer/Thor/GL went to an alternate universe everything they experienced would still be relevant for them even if it wasn't relevant to the mainstreme universes as a whole.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Old DS said that the younger version was better at using/manipulating the OE and telepathically? Well you could have just posting him a scan of him saying that from the get go to end this. Post it now and I'll totally concede the point.

Again, I'm not saying that current DS wasn't there in that timeline, I'm saying that he's not going to grow into that particular old DS. If he were then the old DS would have remembered the fight from his younger days.

I don't know why you think that I'm saying DS's own feats from the GDS aren't relevant for him because I totally believe they are. Just as if Supes/Surfer/Thor/GL went to an alternate universe everything they experienced would still be relevant for them even if it wasn't relevant to the mainstreme universes as a whole.

No two instances from two different timelines old DS said he was weaker. One in direct power, other in body and energy. ie. future DS < present day DS. GDS absorbed energy to get back to his powerlevels of classic age as stated by him.

Apparently still will. As proven by Final Crisis all THREE Legion timelines including pre-crisis is still alive and active.

Again direct statements from future DS said he is weaker in two separate timelines. we even have a direct fight between one very inexperienced DS against the future DS. Most future versions are often times are STRONGER! not weaker, but again story made it clear DS was a shadow of his former self....twice and made no mention they gained new found power or future had more mastery over OE...but were in fact weaker

Now I don't care if GDS is allowed or not here, but in no way is it not canon. Especially due to reveal of multiversity.

ok, so.....sounds like gds IS indeed considered canon by dc comics. now, if it's specifically ruled a non-debatable issue by kmc, that's something different and could be addressed separately. i've no doubt galan or maybe km or abhi or maybe phil have the relevant scans supporting the new canon as recently outlined. if someone does, it should end the argument and have the ruling overturned. not that i care all that much one way or the other. i just figured it was canon in dc's eyes nowadays. /shrug

another question would be is that gds canon to LEGION? again, according to new dc, i figured it was. was it always? and if it is, that alone should be enough to have it canon imo, even though it takes place in the future. but maybe that's just me.

oh, and has there been any definitive proof that the LEGION future IS the future of the dc 616 (so-to-speak)?

Originally posted by -K-M-
No two instances from two different timelines old DS said he was weaker. One in direct power, other in body and energy. ie. future DS < present day DS. GDS absorbed energy to get back to his powerlevels of classic age as stated by him.

Apparently still will. As proven by Final Crisis all THREE Legion timelines including pre-crisis is still alive and active.

Again direct statements from future DS said he is weaker in two separate timelines. we even have a direct fight between one very inexperienced DS against the future DS. Most future versions are often times are STRONGER! not weaker, but again story made it clear DS was a shadow of his former self....twice

You're trying to draw a line between old DS needing the energy of others to indicate that young DS is better at manipulating the OE and telepathically but that's simply not the implication. 80 year Cyclops can be so old that he has to drain the life force of others but that in no way proves that his opitic blast are less powerful than his 20 year old self.

The fact that an alternate timeline still exists doesn't prove that it's the version that the mainstream version will grow into. The original Gog timeline still exists out there somewhere, that doesn't mean that it's the future of the 616 universe. In any of the Legion arcs did Old DS give any kind of indication that he remembered things from the younger version's perspective or anything like that? Or does he still approach the situation as if he has a chance of winning?

Yeah he was physically weaker than his younger self. That's why he said that the younger DS was superior in body. He didn't say that he was superior in everything BUT mind did he?