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PC Superman who once sneezed away a solar system, gets trapped in the MU by an unidentifiable power, the action turns him insanely violent and bent on total destruction, as a result of this transaction he becomes immune to krytonite magic and red sun radiation, who in the MU below trans level can stop him and how many marvel heroes/villians working together can put an halt to his trail of destruction?

He also got beat by a chimpanzee iirc. Solar System sneeze is a well-known PC cheese feat, but you'd have to allow high-end feats as the norm for everyone if you make that your baseline.

Anyway, in b4 someone says it only takes Doom. Legitimately, PC Supes minus weakness exploitation would be hard to take down, but not impossible.

Absorbing Man immediately comes to mind.
How much foreknowledge does Supes get about the people in Marvel?
Also, does this insanely violent rage of his mean he's "targeting" specific people who get in his way, like a bull seeing a cape waved in front of him, or does PsychoSupes really and truly have the focused goal of trying to physically crack the planet itself?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Absorbing Man immediately comes to mind.
How much foreknowledge does Supes get about the people in Marvel?
Also, does this insanely violent rage of his mean he's "targeting" specific people who get in his way, like a bull seeing a cape waved in front of him, or does PsychoSupes really and truly have the focused goal of trying to physically crack the planet itself? We know cracking a planet would be nothing to PC Supes, he's bent on destruction and anyone who comes into his way to try and stop him, will become targeted, while he may not have full knowledge of his opponents, they wouldn't have likewise of him, he'll simply in his deranged mind see marvel earth and other pivotal planets in the MU.as something that he must destory.

Interesting match ups, IF everyone is behaving intelligently individually or under the direction of a good leader

Trolls from the Isle of Silence
(So strong that Silver Age Thor could not break the grip of even one of them by force. Potentially good slow down, if not outright stoppers en masse.)
Hulk Killer Humanoid. Practically invulnerable to strikes, no matter how powerful or sustained.
Nightcrawler (Lex Luthor once knocked Superman out by unexpectedly transporting him into the future. The Crime Syndicate dazed him just by teleporting him from point A to point B via Volthoom keyword.)
Classic Juggernaut.
Chris Claremont Rogue, INTELLIGENTLY using her power, as Rogue has for serious threats.

Graviton (simulating the gravity of Krypton, most often when visiting Kandor, nearly ALWAYS served to effectively depower Clark). Recall that Darkseid's Gravi-Guards made Superman so helpless he needed the help of Infjnity Man to free himself ...



Reed Richards.
Dr. Doom.

Originally posted by lawest9
PC Superman who once sneezed away a solar system, gets trapped in the MU by an unidentifiable power, the action turns him insanely violent and bent on total destruction, as a result of this transaction he becomes immune to krytonite magic and red sun radiation, who in the MU below trans level can stop him and how many marvel heroes/villians working together can put an halt to his trail of destruction?

No one. Superman beats Marvel.

People like Havok Ms Marvel Rogue could drain him right? Magneto could help Graviton prison to earth's gravity & Magnetic field Juggernaut Hercules Red Hulk and others beat him down as well.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Interesting match ups, IF everyone is behaving intelligently individually or under the direction of a good leader

Trolls from the Isle of Silence
(So strong that Silver Age Thor could not break the grip of even one of them by force. Potentially good slow down, if not outright stoppers en masse.)
Hulk Killer Humanoid. Practically invulnerable to strikes, no matter how powerful or sustained.
Nightcrawler (Lex Luthor once knocked Superman out by unexpectedly transporting him into the future. The Crime Syndicate dazed him just by teleporting him from point A to point B via Volthoom keyword.)
Classic Juggernaut.
Chris Claremont Rogue, INTELLIGENTLY using her power, as Rogue has for serious threats.

Graviton (simulating the gravity of Krypton, most often when visiting Kandor, nearly ALWAYS served to effectively depower Clark). Recall that Darkseid's Gravi-Guards made Superman so helpless he needed the help of Infjnity Man to free himself ...



Reed Richards.
Dr. Doom.

and Vulcan

not to mention the power mimcry people

1. Gravi-Guard versus pre-Crisis Superman


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I can certainly see a combination of Classic Juggernaut, Hulk Killer Humanoid, the Silent Ones (the trolls with a grip even Thor couldn't break) and Graviton duplicating what the lone guard here managed to do.

The guard was channeling the mass of entire galaxies.

Heavy mass galaxies no less, which implies...heavier than normal, I guess?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Heavy mass galaxies no less, which implies...heavier than normal, I guess?

Indeed, but the guard himself only reckons Supes able to move a mountain according to that same scan, and I've seen Supes de powered, again, by no more gravity than what bottle-city Kandor had to offer -- a place where Batman and Robin and even Jimmy Olsen were able to move around (albeit with a GREAT deal of difficulty in the latter's case). Gravity against Pre-Crisis Kryptonians could often be as absurdly effective as red sunlight.

Lol people act like an enraged PC Superman is just gonna stand there and let the Marvel team try to do something. PC superman would wreck them. Lol at Juggernaut even being in the conversation

Originally posted by Anadrol1
Lol people act like an enraged PC Superman is just gonna stand there and let the Marvel team try to do something. PC superman would wreck them. Lol at Juggernaut even being in the conversation LOL...........good point, what if Supes get the drop on them first?

Who below trans? No one.

PC Supes could just travel back in time and pee in the primordial pool from which the Life was about to originate.

Or he could throw the Earth into Sun. Or the Sun at the Earth. Or transport enough extra hydrogen and helium into Sun to trigger supernova.

Or simply use his massive speed/strength/etc advantage to take care of business close and personal.

Jejeje meanie

Superman sneezes and destroy marvel earth with everybody on it.

Superman isnt sneezing any galaxy away without that Mxy-Dust.

Anywho with Transcendent Supes gets crushed.

Trust Me.

I am a Superman Specialist.

The myx dust just caused him to not being able to control his sneeze.

Didn't amp him, that was all Superman loosing control of his powers

Originally posted by "Id"
Superman isnt sneezing any galaxy away without that Mxy-Dust.



Agreed. Mainly 'cause I've seen instances of Supergirl and people who'd had Supes' power transferred to them magically, and sneeze accidentally, and no more than room clearing/room destroying gale winds resulted.

I agree an insanely violent Pre-crisis Supes has the power to crack a planet. Or even throw an Earth sized one. That's why I asked if he'd target people specifically or remain focused on the actual rocky body comprising the planet.
Marvel's chances become very grim indeed if he's doing the latter and largely ignoring people. Chances go up considerably if he's minded to go after people .

Originally posted by "Id"
Superman isnt sneezing any galaxy away without that Mxy-Dust.

Well, yeah. Far as I know, Superman doesn't sneeze.

Ebony Blade off with his head.

Originally posted by golem370
Ebony Blade off with his head.

To paraphrase Peter Hathaway Capstick, a now gone man who used to be the most reknown big game hunter of yore, the 'problem with hunting leopards at night with a rifle, is that you are hunting leopards at night with a rifle.'

Sure, let's assume you have a sword that can lob off the head of a pre-crisis Kryptonian. The problem is that you are trying to use a sword on a pre-crisis Kryptonian ...a sword! On a bloodlusted, not holding back Kryptonian that is trying to destroy the world.

Now, I am confident that the MU would win. There are simply too many layers for one character to come and win.

However, it will not be because of ebony blades or characters like Red Hulk (that was a joke, right?)

MU wins

Dr. Strange.

Originally posted by Stoic
Dr. Strange.

Gets blitzed.

PC Superman's actually countered evil wizards with super speed before. Assuming a bloodlusted version, he'd blitz pretty much every magic user before they could get a spell off.

Originally posted by cdtm
Gets blitzed.

PC Superman's actually countered evil wizards with super speed before. Assuming a bloodlusted version, he'd blitz pretty much every magic user before they could get a spell off.

Listen bro. There are other heroes that would be out there fighting the good fight. Strange would only need to cast a spell similar to the one that destroyed Sun God and crew, and the rest is history. It's like Digi stated earlier on, if you're going to use Superman at his best, then you would also use the Marvel defenders at their best as well. Dr. Strange would be a huge threat, as well as all of the high powered telepaths on Marvel Earth in terms of all of the time that Dr. Strange would have to pull off a killer spell, or one that could send him to dimensions with beings that would absolutely scare the mess out of PC Superman. There is no such thing as an unbeatable character at PC Superman's level.

the inhumans + the Shiar imperial guard + gladiator + adam warlock + magik

PC superman still needs to keeps a solar charge to keep powers. id say Karnack probably would figure this out and try to get him teleported to somewhere with no sun like limbo and hold him there until hes drained. he has magic immunity but Magik is still the ruler and doesn't have to let him out. eventually he will become overrun with demons since magik still holds the soulsword or the MU can decide

Originally posted by staxamillion
the inhumans + the Shiar imperial guard + gladiator + adam warlock + magik

PC superman still needs to keeps a solar charge to keep powers. id say Karnack probably would figure this out and try to get him teleported to somewhere with no sun like limbo and hold him there until hes drained. he has magic immunity but Magik is still the ruler and doesn't have to let him out. eventually he will become overrun with demons since magik still holds the soulsword or the MU can decide

PC Superman had magic immunity? Not from what I remember. Or do you mean in this particular thread? I understood that he could not be exploited with a weakness that he had, not what he is vulnerable to.

Originally posted by Stoic
PC Superman had magic immunity? Not from what I remember. Or do you mean in this particular thread? I understood that he could not be exploited with a weakness that he had, not what he is vulnerable to.

just this thread

Originally posted by Stoic
Listen bro. There are other heroes that would be out there fighting the good fight. Strange would only need to cast a spell similar to the one that destroyed Sun God and crew, and the rest is history. It's like Digi stated earlier on, if you're going to use Superman at his best, then you would also use the Marvel defenders at their best as well. Dr. Strange would be a huge threat, as well as all of the high powered telepaths on Marvel Earth in terms of all of the time that Dr. Strange would have to pull off a killer spell, or one that could send him to dimensions with beings that would absolutely scare the mess out of PC Superman. There is no such thing as an unbeatable character at PC Superman's level.

Strange only killed them because he crossed a line, though. That other mage could have killed him outright with a word, but chose to incapacitate (This is proven by the general theme of the JLA clones. None of them are killers.)

Marvel's biggest problem, is Superman's THE top end speedster. Not "a" top end, but "the".

Even the biggest anti Superman a-hole, Pendaran, was essentially forced to admit at pre crisis levels, he's faster then Surfer (And if you know Pendaran, he wanks Norrin's speed as the apex.)

So it's not much of a stretch to say he can destroy Earth and attack the slowest opponents at the bell, and then deal with anyone fast enough/powerful enough to not be killed outright.

It would still be a sizable list, but I can't think of a single spell caster in it..

Originally posted by lawest9
PC Superman who once sneezed away a solar system, gets trapped in the MU by an unidentifiable power, the action turns him insanely violent and bent on total destruction, as a result of this transaction he becomes immune to krytonite magic and red sun radiation, who in the MU below trans level can stop him and how many marvel heroes/villians working together can put an halt to his trail of destruction?

Read Red Son.

The part where RS vs everyone. There's your answer.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Agreed. Mainly 'cause I've seen instances of Supergirl and people who'd had Supes' power transferred to them magically, and sneeze accidentally, and no more than room clearing/room destroying gale winds resulted.

On the other hand I've seen PC Superboy move the Earth just by blowing at it. So it doesn't really make it hard for me to believe an utterly uncontrollable sneeze could lay waste to a star system.



I guess it depends on what people mean by "PC Superman". That generally means the insanely powerful version of Superman, to me. Yes he has plenty of low end feats, but his high ends..he doesn't even need to sneezing feat. PC Superboy could casually tow dozens of planets on a giant chain.

PC Superman has enough physical strength to literally shove an object through time. His speed would be more or less equal to or above Wally West level craziness.

On the other hand, this version was also much much more vulnerable to magic than any other incarnation.

Okay wait so reading the OP closely..this version is immune to Kryptonite and magic? Well shit. Umm..there is nobody below trans level who can do this then.

Kryptonite, magic, and red sun radiation are merely the most well-known "solutions" to the pre-Crisis Superman problem.

Superman could be affected, rendered effectively powerless, or even overwhelmed and rendered senseless WHILE he had his powers through a surprising number of devices. The most practical solution available on Marvel Earth would probably be teleportation, or time/dimensional BFR. Here's an outrageous example of just how low tech such a device could be and still work ...

Note that the above actually knocks Superman out.

And yes, this is Superman from the 1960s, the same era that Mxyzptlk-enabled "Galaxy Sneezer" took place.

Here, the previous submission I'd found online searching with the terms

"Luthor", "Tungsten", and "Superman" or something of that sort.

I'd filed that away in my own archives years ago. Much more difficult to get to nowadays than it used to be; that submission is from the book

Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane #28.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Kryptonite, magic, and red sun radiation are merely the most well-known "solutions" to the pre-Crisis Superman problem.

Superman could be affected, rendered effectively powerless, or even overwhelmed and rendered senseless WHILE he had his powers through a surprising number of devices. The most practical solution available on Marvel Earth would probably be teleportation, or time/dimensional BFR. Here's an outrageous example of just how low tech such a device could be and still work ...

Everyone has a plan until PC Superman PUNCHES THEIR FACE OFF!!!!

PsychoSupes would get a couple people to be sure.

There's only a few people who really matter in our scenario, though.

Dr. Doom comes to mind. Who is nearly always protected by forcefields in the comics, it seems. And apparently has his own chronometer or time travel device? Was the case in the Heroes Reborn 4 part series, IIRC.

Earth perished a couple of times with Doom as sole survivor. Until finally Doom was able to confer with Stark, Richards, and some other major players and stop Galactus from destroying Earth.

I'm under the impression something similar happened more recently in the case of Exitar destroying the Earth. He actually DID so 1st time around, didn't he? I'd be somewhat surprised if a "second chance" time travel workaround wasn't used to undo that episode, which, eventually, famously, has Rogue, empowered with the might of many of Marvel's heroes, and Death Sentry, physically halt the descent of the Celestial, stopping him from crushing the world until others (Thor?) could strike and drive him off.

Now that I come to think of it, the OP's premise is actually remarkably like storylines that have actually occurred, just with Galactus and Exitar in the place of our proposed, "insanely violent" pre-Crisis Superman.


At any rate, just want it on record that time travel and teleport devices Do work on pre-Crisis Supes, even without Kryptonite, Magic, or Red Sun:

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and that, even besides Dr. Doom, and presumably Reed Richards,

other heroes have time and teleport tech, too.

Note that Superman would likely NOT be able to duplicate what Deus Ex Machina Betty does here to thwart the attempt, which would otherwise have been successful:

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time travel and teleport devices Do work on pre-Crisis Supes, even without Kryptonite, Magic, or Red Sun:

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heroes have time and teleport tech

Note that Superman would likely NOT be able to duplicate what Deus Ex Machina Betty does here to thwart the attempt, which would otherwise have been successful:

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Originally posted by cdtm
Strange only killed them because he crossed a line, though. That other mage could have killed him outright with a word, but chose to incapacitate (This is proven by the general theme of the JLA clones. None of them are killers.)

Marvel's biggest problem, is Superman's THE top end speedster. Not "a" top end, but "the".

Even the biggest anti Superman a-hole, Pendaran, was essentially forced to admit at pre crisis levels, he's faster then Surfer (And if you know Pendaran, he wanks Norrin's speed as the apex.)

So it's not much of a stretch to say he can destroy Earth and attack the slowest opponents at the bell, and then deal with anyone fast enough/powerful enough to not be killed outright.

It would still be a sizable list, but I can't think of a single spell caster in it..

Ask yourself if Strange would cross the line in this particular instance.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Kryptonite, magic, and red sun radiation are merely the most well-known "solutions" to the pre-Crisis Superman problem.

Superman could be affected, rendered effectively powerless, or even overwhelmed and rendered senseless WHILE he had his powers through a surprising number of devices. The most practical solution available on Marvel Earth would probably be teleportation, or time/dimensional BFR. Here's an outrageous example of just how low tech such a device could be and still work ...

Oh there is no doubt about it in terms of a bunch of different devices affecting him.

I just feel Superman would murderize everyone before they can activate a device.

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, yeah. Far as I know, Superman doesn't sneeze.

Superman is always in control, the mxy dust caused him to lose control and he had seconds to fly to a dead universe to let out a sneeze. no where did it say that the dust will make him sneeze with that much destructive force.


Superman didnt want to let out a uncontrollable sneeze because he knew his level of power. Superman was unaware of any amp by the dust. So there would be no point in looking for a dead universe.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Shortened, clickable link version of the above.

See also Galactus versus Marvel U. Earth, Heroes Reborn 4 part saga, and Marvel U. Earth versus Exitar.


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time travel and teleport devices Do work on pre-Crisis Supes, even without Kryptonite, Magic, or Red Sun:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=15999523



heroes have time and teleport tech

Note that Superman would likely NOT be able to duplicate what Deus Ex Machina Betty does here to thwart the attempt, which would otherwise have been successful:

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Complete facepalm.

He got KO by a time shattering device of "titanic force", but he is pretty capable of traveling in time, just in case you didn't know.

Yes, he can time travel on sheer speed. He can shove things with enough force they *fly through time*. He did this with a person and a small plane. True story one time as a kid he shoved another kid on the playground and the kid was then murdered by dinosaurs in the past.

Also pretty sure one time he vibrated the entire planet out of phase or something. To defeat some radiation monster I think? Or just because he was bored, I forget the reason.

Doom solos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Doom solos.

A nigh indestructible super strong entity that can move at speeds far far in excess of light, to the point where cosmic beings need to step in to stop him because he is going to fast.

Doom's instruments detect some massively fast object heading towards earth, before he can even finish a thought of "I wonder what this is and how I, Doom, can beat it?" the Earth just explodes because this invulnerable super strong super fast entity has just plowed right straight through to the core of the planet and out the other side.

If Superman is bent on total destruction as opposed to world domination nobody on Earth is even going to realize there is any danger until they are all dead.

Originally posted by Surtur
A nigh indestructible super strong entity that can move at speeds far far in excess of light, to the point where cosmic beings need to step in to stop him because he is going to fast.

Doom's instruments detect some massively fast object heading towards earth, before he can even finish a thought of "I wonder what this is and how I, Doom, can beat it?" the Earth just explodes because this invulnerable super strong super fast entity has just plowed right straight through to the core of the planet and out the other side.

If Superman is bent on total destruction as opposed to world domination nobody on Earth is even going to realize there is any danger until they are all dead. Magic. Huge weakness. Doom is too smart to get caught with his pants down against this exaggerated Boy Scout.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magic. Huge weakness. Doom is too smart to get caught with his pants down against this exaggerated Boy Scout.

Magic is a huge weakness. It's why, I suppose, he was made immune to it for this fight.

Oh and he's been made immune to kryptonite and red sun radiation as well.

It's almost like the person who made this fight wanted someone to defeat Supes with raw power as opposed to just easily exploiting a weakness.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ask yourself if Strange would cross the line in this particular instance.

Absolutely. The problem is, in this instance so is the guy that could probably search every square inch of the Earth in under a second... Many times over, likely.

Originally posted by cdtm
Absolutely. The problem is, in this instance so is the guy that could probably search every square inch of the Earth in under a second... Many times over, likely.

Plus, Supes is immune to magic.

Originally posted by Surtur
Magic is a huge weakness. It's why, I suppose, he was made immune to it for this fight.

Oh and he's been made immune to kryptonite and red sun radiation as well.

It's almost like the person who made this fight wanted someone to defeat Supes with raw power as opposed to just easily exploiting a weakness. So the op felt Superman needed immunities he doesn't outright have to take this challenge on.

Sentry solos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So the op felt Superman needed immunities he doesn't outright have to take this challenge on.

Sentry solos.

Makes sense to me. The immunities, I mean. Keeps the thread from devolving to weakness exploitations.

Personally, I think he could do well without them in a "kill everyone, i discriminately, as fast as you can" mindset because there's no "speedster mages".

Yeah, they could probably cast a spell to fix that, but not at default.

Originally posted by cdtm
Makes sense to me. The immunities, I mean. Keeps the thread from devolving to weakness exploitations.

Personally, I think he could do well without them in a "kill everyone, i discriminately, as fast as you can" mindset because there's no "speedster mages".

Yeah, they could probably cast a spell to fix that, but not at default. Void would just rip him in half. There's nothing Superman can do to beat him. The same can't be said conversely here. Void ftw. Poor Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Void would just rip him in half. There's nothing Superman can do to beat him. The same can't be said conversely here. Void ftw. Poor Superman.

Nope, Void has defined limits. Superman has no limits at all. He's defined by the power of plot.

Also, is Sentry High Herald level? I was under the impression he was trans. Team wrecking and all that. Treating HHs like Thor like a feeb.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Everyone has a plan until PC Superman PUNCHES THEIR FACE OFF!!!!

I love that Iron Mike quote .

Originally posted by Surtur
A nigh indestructible super strong entity that can move at speeds far far in excess of light, to the point where cosmic beings need to step in to stop him because he is going to fast.

Doom's instruments detect some massively fast object heading towards earth, before he can even finish a thought of "I wonder what this is and how I, Doom, can beat it?" the Earth just explodes because this invulnerable super strong super fast entity has just plowed right straight through to the core of the planet and out the other side.

If Superman is bent on total destruction as opposed to world domination nobody on Earth is even going to realize there is any danger until they are all dead.


Which is why I asked the Original Poster (OP) of this thread if destroying the planet is Superman's only goal or if this insane rage of his is making him target people. Otherwise he just made a spite thread. It'd be like me proposing the following scenario:

"You're fast asleep.
From 3 feet away, a gunman fires a .44 Magnum at your head ...
Who wins?" ...

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Complete facepalm.

He got KO by a time shattering device of "titanic force", but he is pretty capable of traveling in time, just in case you didn't know.


That "time sattering device of titanic force" was made of common household items:

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Clickable version of the scan of my previous post. Is anything more exotic than tungsten from a light bulb and citric acid from some orange juice mentioned here?

Originally posted by BlueFnord
I love that Iron Mike quote .

Tyson has a lot of great quotes and his insights into fighting are very interesting and articulate.

Per Darksaint, Thor beats Pre Crisis Superman 10/10.

Originally posted by carver9
Per Darksaint, Thor beats Pre Crisis Superman 10/10.

DARKSAINT IS A LYING HERETIC

Originally posted by carver9
Per Darksaint, Thor beats Pre Crisis Superman 10/10.

Wow. If you can lie about this, what else can you lie about?

PS: Carver, please PLEASE read the OP. Lol.

Send in the big gun that cant be killed and be done with it.

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111142536/5082192-2202867872-sentr.jpg

Originally posted by tkitna
Send in the big gun that cant be killed and be done with it.

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111142536/5082192-2202867872-sentr.jpg

Superman wears Death Sentry's skin as a Cape!!!!

Originally posted by tkitna
Send in the big gun that cant be killed and be done with it.

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111142536/5082192-2202867872-sentr.jpg Canon.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nope, Void has defined limits. Superman has no limits at all. He's defined by the power of plot. False, and what's ironic is the Void is who you described not Superman. The void is far more powerful, has better capabilities, and has more impressive feats than Superman.

Originally posted by tkitna
Send in the big gun that cant be killed and be done with it.

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111142536/5082192-2202867872-sentr.jpg

Pretty much this. I notice that the bodies of the other characters from the DCU are lacking.

Okay wait thinking about the mxy sneezing dust thing, we can surely solve whether or not this truly enhanced Superman. Did it show other humans who had been hit with it..as having super powered sneezes? If so, that would lend credence.

Now like I said, I still feel his power levels are crazy enough that he could accomplish it without amping.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False, and what's ironic is the Void is who you described not Superman. The void is far more powerful, has better capabilities, and has more impressive feats than Superman.

LIES!!!!

I challenge you to prove that The Void has more impressive feats than Superman.

PC Superman destroys MU earth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wow. If you can lie about this, what else can you lie about?

PS: Carver, please PLEASE read the OP. Lol.

Thor can bfr though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False, and what's ironic is the Void is who you described not Superman. The void is far more powerful, has better capabilities, and has more impressive feats than Superman.

What feats from Sentry are more impressive than high end PC Superman?

PC Superman would slaughter Sentry. Not even close, TBH.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay wait thinking about the mxy sneezing dust thing, we can surely solve whether or not this truly enhanced Superman. Did it show other humans who had been hit with it..as having super powered sneezes? If so, that would lend credence.

A crowd was hit. Not one so much as knocked over a tree.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=15999422

Clickable version of the scan of my previous post. Is anything more exotic than tungsten from a light bulb and citric acid from some orange juice mentioned here?

by non other than pre crisis lex luthor im sure you can make the same gadget right?

Btw did I mention superman can time traval and dimension travel?

Superman sneezes and scatters sentry all over the solar system.

Oh I forgot, PC Superman is supposed to be a genius, so is not only the raw power but also the brains

Originally posted by tkitna
Send in the big gun that cant be killed and be done with it.

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11114/111142536/5082192-2202867872-sentr.jpg

I approve of this crossover.

Originally posted by tkitna
Send in the big gun that cant be killed and be done with it.


Who is trans. Am I the only one who reads OPs nowadays?

Originally posted by lawest9
PC Superman who once sneezed away a solar system, gets trapped in the MU by an unidentifiable power, the action turns him insanely violent and bent on total destruction, as a result of this transaction he becomes immune to krytonite magic and red sun radiation, who in the MU below trans level can stop him and how many marvel heroes/villians working together can put an halt to his trail of destruction?

Originally posted by carver9
Thor can bfr though.

Superman is bloodlusted though Please quote me where I said that about bloodlusted Supes (who, btw, in this thread, is also immune to magic. how does Thor BFR?)

Everyone gets punched across time to the end of time. Good luck coming back.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nope, Void has defined limits. Superman has no limits at all. He's defined by the power of plot. Plot means supes loses to Squirrel Girl, off panel. Because Marvel

Just realized that bluewaterrider believes that creating a time shatering device with a lamp and orange juice is a feat easily replicated and that it wouldn't count as plot induced stupidity, because you know, everyone knows in comics that you can make a time machine out of orange juice

Originally posted by Surtur
What feats from Sentry are more impressive than high end PC Superman?

Well, he cant be killed unless he wants to die. That's pretty impressive. He brought a person back to life from being dead. Hard to defeat a character in which death has no hold on.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Who is trans. Am I the only one who reads OPs nowadays?


Sorry. I have no skin in this fight. I honestly just love that picture and wanted to post it.

I don't know or care who wins here either.

Superman supporters will cling to his high showings. Marvel supporters, his lows. Problem is, he is so variable that the average of 1000 and -1000 is....0 lol.

Either he throws the Earth into the sun, or a chimp with orange juice and tungsten beats him, lol.

Originally posted by tkitna
Well, he cant be killed unless he wants to die. That's pretty impressive. He brought a person back to life from being dead. Hard to defeat a character in which death has no hold on.
He is tossed through time to the end of time.

Good luck being immortal there.

Dr Doom stops PC Superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Who is trans. Am I the only one who reads OPs nowadays?





Superman is bloodlusted though Please quote me where I said that about bloodlusted Supes (who, btw, in this thread, is also immune to magic. how does Thor BFR?)

So if he isn't blooodlusted, Thor pulls a 10/10? Gotcha.

How does Thor BFR? Through magic, I assume?

For someone who says gotcha a lot...you don't seem to get many things....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


For someone who says gotcha a lot...you don't seem to get many things....

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
LIES!!!!

I challenge you to prove that The Void has more impressive feats than Superman. MM. Nuff said.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How does Thor BFR? Through magic, I assume?

For someone who says gotcha a lot...you don't seem to get many things....

So again I ask, can Thor get that 10/10 against Pre Crisis Superman via bfr? Simple question. Stop dodging.

I forgot to add this but "Gotcha".

Not in this thread.

I have already answered it in the other thread. No speed, no bloodlust.

In this thread, no. Thor cannot. Not dodging, N. O..

Originally posted by quanchi112
MM. Nuff said.

Rearranging galaxies at light speed with brute strength.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Dr Doom stops PC Superman

Yes, with his armored corpse.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Yes, with his armored corpse. take your child like nonsense somewhere else.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
take your child like nonsense somewhere else.

Says the raging, lunatic, who makes a toddler's tantrum look like reasoned debate.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not in this thread.

I have already answered it in the other thread. No speed, no bloodlust.

In this thread, no. Thor cannot. Not dodging, N. O..

You didn't answer it. So are you admitting Thor pulls a 10/10 against a non blood lusted Pre Crisis Superman? Silver Surfer can do the same thing. Beta Ray Bill can as well. Without in character being off, do you admit that these peeps pull a 10/10?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Rearranging galaxies at light speed with brute strength. That isn't more impressive. Precrisis Superman can't resist the MM. Sentry can and beat him at his own game. Canon.

Originally posted by carver9
You didn't answer it. So are you admitting Thor pulls a 10/10 against a non blood lusted Pre Crisis Superman?

With speed? Or are you handicapping again?

With speed, NO. Thor is not not BFRing Supes.

You really aren't as clever as you think.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't more impressive. Precrisis Superman can't resist the MM. Sentry can and beat him at his own game. Canon.

Pre-Crisis Superman in this mindset would decapitate Owen before he could react.

I don't even think Owen's transmutation abilities would work on PC Superman in this state as well.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With speed? Or are you handicapping again?

With speed, NO. Thor is not not BFRing Supes.

You really aren't as clever as you think.

What was the point of you bringing up me reading the OP? Help me understand. You brought up him being blood lusted. In guessing you brought that up because he would use his speed in a situation like this vs him not using it when not blood lusted?

Originally posted by carver9
What was the point of you bringing up me reading the OP? Help me understand. You brought up him being blood lusted. In guessing you brought that up because he would use his speed in a situation like this vs him not using it when not blood lusted?

Lol, you can't even guess right.

Are you drunk?

The reason why I brought him up being bloodlusted, was because of the OP, and because of our little exchange:

Originally posted by carver9
Also, how many wins would you give Thor over Pre Crisis Superman?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

If Thor can BFR someone who is bloodlusted and using his speed, I'd give him 10/10.

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't ask if they were bloodlusted. So you admit Thor beats Pre Crisis Superman 10/10? Thor does have more than 1 showing proving he can bfr.

I was referring to your weird statement about not asking. This thread, OP says he is bloodlusted. Why are you asking other questions?? Lol. Nothing to do with speed , or whether he would use it (because I am sure there are plenty of times PC Supes has used speed when he WASN'T bloodlusted).

For Thor to win 10/10 through BFR, Supes needs to be handicapped, severely. No speed, no desire to fight.

IOW, just standing there, and letting Thor do it to him. In that thread, sure, Thor wins 10/10 through BFR, lol.

Like I said, you really aren't as clever as you think you are.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Says the raging, lunatic, who makes a toddler's tantrum look like reasoned debate. great way of describing yourself actually, you're only lacking caps and the red font.

Nothing you ever say has any meaning or value.

What about Darksaint's Avatar, Wundarr/Aquarian?
Would his null-field have any effect on Superman?

Originally posted by Magnificent M
What about Darksaint's Avatar, Wundarr/Aquarian?
Would his null-field have any effect on Superman?

It all depends on what this Supes does.

Nuking the Earth from orbit? Not a chance.

But if he goes up close and physical to each one, Wundarr shuts him down.

It would have to be close, though. Generally, Wundarr's field is kept skin tight. He can consciously expand it in a bubble around him, though.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
great way of describing yourself actually, you're only lacking caps and the red font.

Nothing you ever say has any meaning or value.

How many times have you been BANNED for your raging, idiocy, on these forums?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
How many times have you been BANNED for your raging, idiocy, on these forums?

once maybe twice , still doesn't disprove my opinion of you. The only reason you've never been banned for the constant spamming is because you ass kiss in the sad hope ppl will like you.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
once maybe twice , still doesn't disprove my opinion of you. The only reason you've never been banned for the constant spamming is because you ass kiss in the sad hope ppl will like you.

The opinion of someone like you is worth less than a piece of rotten, feces, in the bottom of a dump.

You are routinely banned because you are an ignorant, raging, pissant seeking validation.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Pre-Crisis Superman in this mindset would decapitate Owen before he could react.

I don't even think Owen's transmutation abilities would work on PC Superman in this state as well. Not the point. Sentry could resist Superman can't so you concede. You have no evidence as to suggest why it wouldn't Lehrer than your feelings.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the point. Sentry could resist Superman can't so you concede. You have no evidence as to suggest why it wouldn't Lehrer than your feelings.

If I provide proof of PC Superman resisting transmutation would you concede, Thanosi?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The opinion of someone like you is worth less than a piece of rotten, feces, in the bottom of a dump.

You are routinely banned because you are an ignorant, raging, pissant seeking validation. if you don't like my opinions then don't comment on them you pathetic retard.

Haha do you even know what irony is? Go hide behind your red fonts kissing ass and pleading for other posters help because you're incapable of doing anything yourself.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
if you don't like my opinions then don't comment on them you pathetic retard.

Haha do you even know what irony is? Go hide behind your red fonts kissing ass and pleading for other posters help because you're incapable of doing anything yourself.

You're telling me NOT TO COMMENT on a comic book message board?

YOU REALLY ARE AN IMBECILE!!!!!

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Pre-Crisis Superman in this mindset would decapitate Owen before he could react.

I don't even think Owen's transmutation abilities would work on PC Superman in this state as well.

You have it backwards. In Superboy #111, he was completely helpless against Mental Emperor (a mind controlled Jonathan) who had mind over matter powers as they called it back in the day.

http://imgur.com/zKmBzOx

Basically the exact abilities that even this weakened Owen had.

Also i recall another separate instance where Superboy was separated from his body receiving mind over matter powers, and he clearly established that such powers were far superior to his.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're telling me NOT TO COMMENT on a comic book message board?

YOU REALLY ARE AN IMBECILE!!!!!

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

you are a utter retard. You say my opinion means nothing yet you comment on my posts and asked for my opinion in another....yet claim my opinion is shit...yet you want it!

like I said you're a massive retard.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
If I provide proof of PC Superman resisting transmutation would you concede, Thanosi?

Originally posted by operator616
You have it backwards. In Superboy #111, he was completely helpless against Mental Emperor (a mind controlled Jonathan) who had mind over matter powers as they called it back in the day.

http://imgur.com/zKmBzOx

Basically the exact abilities that even this weakened Owen had.

Also i recall another separate instance where Superboy was separated from his body receiving mind over matter powers, and he clearly established that such powers were far superior to his. Lob is getting owned hard. As I said I am right Void craps all over even Precrisis Superman. Truth will always set you free, sport.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
you are a utter retard. You say my opinion means nothing yet you comment on my posts and asked for my opinion in another....yet claim my opinion is shit...yet you want it!

like I said you're a massive retard.

I think I've figured it out.

Your STUPIDITY fuels your rage.

You're a RETARDED HULK without any of the gamma based benefits!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lob is getting owned hard. As I said I am right Void craps all over even Precrisis Superman. Truth will always set you free, sport.

I will deal with you, Thanosi, and The Operator in short order.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I think I've figured it out.

Your STUPIDITY fuels your rage.

You're a RETARDED HULK without any of the gamma based benefits! bwhahahaha weak ass comeback because I just easily exposed how retarded you are.

Now shine my shoes boy.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Just realized that bluewaterrider believes that creating a time shatering device with a lamp and orange juice is a feat easily replicated and that it wouldn't count as plot induced stupidity, because you know, everyone knows in comics that you can make a time machine out of orange juice


I'm wondering now what the original version of this quote was and if the elections being tomorrow have any relation to the way you're "debating" now.

Bluewaterrider does NOT believe "creating a time shattering device with a lamp and orange juice is a feat easily replicated". He IS pointing out that devices that cause time travel or dimensional shifts are effective against Superman, though, sometimes even to the point of knocking him out as they do their work, even the Superman from the GalaxySneeze era of pre-Crisis times, perhaps especially so.

Henry Pym, Reed Richards, and Dr. Doom all have fairly well-known devices that can create such rifts or shunt themselves or other people through time, and have done so in many story lines. Pym I just showed you with the "Infinite Mansion" used against Red She-Hulk. Dr.Doom did so in the Heroes Reborn storyline. Presumably he or someone like him performed a similar time travel trick to battle Exitar, from what little I've seen of that series. Again, with the Heroes Reborn storyline you're describing a scenario that is nearly exactly like what OP proposed here. Substitute the word "Galactus" everywhere you see "Superman" and you're pretty much set. I'd be somewhat surprised, again, if the Exitar storyline, where Rogue, with Sentry's help, is made powerful enough to resist the literal planet-crushing force of Exitar, doesn't read nearly exactly the same.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I will deal with you, Thanosi, and The Operator in short order. Translation: you're pulling another disappearing act because you don't have any evidence just misguided fanboyism poorly articulated. You're very uneducated in practically all areas, sport.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, you can't even guess right.

Are you drunk?

The reason why I brought him up being bloodlusted, was because of the OP, and because of our little exchange:







I was referring to your weird statement about not asking. This thread, OP says he is bloodlusted. Why are you asking other questions?? Lol. Nothing to do with speed , or whether he would use it (because I am sure there are plenty of times PC Supes has used speed when he WASN'T bloodlusted).

For Thor to win 10/10 through BFR, Supes needs to be handicapped, severely. No speed, no desire to fight.

IOW, just standing there, and letting Thor do it to him. In that thread, sure, Thor wins 10/10 through BFR, lol.

Like I said, you really aren't as clever as you think you are.

Wait a minute. What ways do you think he can bfr?

Odin one shots. A solar system pales in comparison to a galaxy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He is tossed through time to the end of time.

Good luck being immortal there.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what we were even talking about. Thanks for butting in as usual though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Translation: you're pulling another disappearing act because you don't have any evidence just misguided fanboyism poorly articulated. You're very uneducated in practically all areas, sport.

YOU are the AVATAR OF COWARDICE across all comic book forums.

NOT I, THE MIGHTY LOB!!!!

Here is PC Superman resisting Transmutation

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/supermanspecial01-04.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/supermanspecial01-05.jpg

CONCEDE NOW, THANOSI!!!!!

Your concession is REQUIRED as well, Operator!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
YOU are the AVATAR OF COWARDICE across all comic book forums.

NOT I, THE MIGHTY LOB!!!!

Here is PC Superman resisting Transmutation

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/supermanspecial01-04.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/supermanspecial01-05.jpg

CONCEDE NOW, THANOSI!!!!!

He isn't resisting transmutation.

The scans shows Superman countering the effects of the vacuum via spinning.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
He isn't resisting transmutation.

The scans shows Superman countering the effects of the vacuum via spinning.

Read the scan.

Superman was being drawn into a setting where "Matter is converted into energy"

Was the Man of Steel converted into energy, RealityWarper?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
YOU are the AVATAR OF COWARDICE across all comic book forums.

NOT I, THE MIGHTY LOB!!!!

Here is PC Superman resisting Transmutation

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/supermanspecial01-04.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/supermanspecial01-05.jpg

CONCEDE NOW, THANOSI!!!!! Originally posted by RealityWarper
He isn't resisting transmutation.

The scans shows Superman countering the effects of the vacuum via spinning.

Lob rarely if ever even understands his own scans let alone someone else's. This is another Abhilegend mishap. Comprehension fail.

Originally posted by quanchi112


Lob rarely if ever even understands his own scans let alone someone else's. This is another Abhilegend mishap. Comprehension fail.

What do you see around Superman in the scan?

What does the scan say about converting properties?

You are AN EMBARASSMENT to The Emo Eggplant!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What do you see around Superman in the scan?

What does the scan say about converting properties?

You are AN EMBARASSMENT to The Emo Eggplant! This isn't what the Sentry resisted. Superman couldn't overwhelm it under his own power he had to redirect it with momentum. That isn't the same thing, sport. You aren't good at understanding are ya ?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Read the scan.

Superman was being drawn into a setting where "Matter is converted into energy"

Was the Man of Steel converted into energy, RealityWarper?

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't what the Sentry resisted. Superman couldn't overwhelm it under his own power he had to redirect it with momentum. That isn't the same thing, sport. You aren't good at understanding are ya ?

You're pathetic!

Superman had to actively resist being TRANSMUTED INTO ENERGY while simultaneously moving fast enough to escape.

The Man Of Steel was powerful enough to do both.

CONCEDE.....NOW!!!

Had trouble recalling what issues the Heroes Reborn storyline involved.
Came across the following online the other day, though ...

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're pathetic!

Superman had to actively resist being TRANSMUTED INTO ENERGY while simultaneously moving fast enough to escape.

The Man Of Steel was powerful enough to do both.

CONCEDE.....NOW!!! False, this has already been explained but you keep repeating yourself. Sentry resisted being destroyed Superman can't take that and come back. You lose. Anything Superman can do Sentry can do better.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y0x5M75V-I4/UvW0KzPd--I/AAAAAAAABMo/PuL8wWQW6Y8/s1600/dobetter.gif

Super spit and Marvel Earth explodes.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. What ways do you think he can bfr?

With magic.

Which Superman is immune to in this thread.

There are relatively simple ways to workaround direct magic immunity, though.

For instance, Thor teleporting Nimrod in so Nimrod can use hypersonics against Superman might involve magic, but only in bringing Nimrod in from Point B to the present Point A ...

Originally posted by tkitna
This has absolutely nothing to do with what we were even talking about. Thanks for butting in as usual though.
Oh right, you were Jerking off to Sentry and someone broke it?

How sad.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Read the scan.

Superman was being drawn into a setting where "Matter is converted into energy"

Was the Man of Steel converted into energy, RealityWarper?

He said that he must "crack" the vacuum before the energies becomes overwhelming. There is no mention of Superman resisting to anything. He leaves the monster before being destroyed by the energies.

The scan confirms that the energy-mass is what consumes people inside the monster and Superman wasn't touched by it, he left before it happened.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What do you see around Superman in the scan?

What does the scan say about converting properties?

You are AN EMBARASSMENT to The Emo Eggplant!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your concession is REQUIRED as well, Operator!!!

Apart from the fact that you ignored my proof....

Your scan doesn't actually prove anything. That cosmic entity was sucking matter into its being where it would convert said matter into energy. It did suck Superman eventually, and all Superman did was evade the energy-mass before it became overwhelming. So all this proves is that Superman has super-human durability which isn't exactly a new development. More-so, You'd have to prove that he was immune to matter manipulation altogether not just transmutation which is just one form of matter manipulation that Owen had at his disposal. If we're gonna into that, someone like Dr Alchemy could easily use transmutation to take out Superman with this method:

http://imgur.com/XLiDcyJ
http://imgur.com/TJrtk8d

Any reason Owen wouldn't be able to replicate that same feat? Against a more powerful version of Superman no less (the one in my scans is silver age, yours is from the end of bronze age).


Mind you, PC Superman has a lot of appearances so it's hard to say for sure whether he can resist it or not. Based on the two showings that i referenced he couldn't but now i also recall a third instance where he actually did resist cosmic beings who had mind over matter powers and could one shot planets iirc.

Superman's powers could be used against him. No one who is familiar with how nearly identical Ultraman's powers were in comparison to Silver Age Superman in terms of type and magnitude should fail to appreciate the following and what it suggests:


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13895661

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13895662

Source: Justice League of America #29, Volume 1
Writer: Gardner Fox
Penciller: Mike Sekowsky
Date: August 1964

Originally posted by RealityWarper
He said that he must "crack" the vacuum before the energies becomes overwhelming. There is no mention of Superman resisting to anything. He leaves the monster before being destroyed by the energies.

The scan confirms that the energy-mass is what consumes people inside the monster and Superman wasn't touched by it, he left before it happened.

Enough MU heroes with the right combination of powers can bring him down imho, however if they are not prepped fpr him, they and their earth are well done for.

Originally posted by lawest9
Enough MU heroes with the right combination of powers can bring him down imho, however if they are not prepped fpr him, they and their earth are well done for.


With a few caveats, I agree with this opinion.
Because they actually have a surprising stay of options.

Just a few off the top of my head, based on what has actually been shown in the comics:

-- duplication of Kypton's gravity conditions (Action Comics circa 1950s and 60s, the era GalaxySneeze is taken from)
-- antimatter explosion (Justice League of America #29 and #30, Note: near-exact-power-match-of-Superman Ultraman is demonstrator here...knocks out despite durability, arguably near complete invulnerability, because it overwhelms the senses
-- mere actual exposure to a significant quantity of antimatter (Crisis on Infinite Earths series)
-- Professor Xavier (fill in the action of your choice, putting him to sleep, making Superman so afraid he flies away or becomes cripplingly slowed, convincing him he's already destroyed everything he "needs" to, etcetera)
-- entrapment in a significant gravity well ... note that Marvel U. actually has means and tech and features stories where characters are literally sent to/put inside/etcetera black holes ... note this in relation to DC Comics Presents Superman versus Blackstar issue, where Superman, far less vulnerable at this point to gravity than GalaxySneezer Supes, was saved ONLY by the intervention of Supergirl
-- complete teleportation
-- partial teleportation (see Nightcrawler versus Nimrod to get an idea of what this would look like)
-- phasing attacks (imagine golf-ball-sized spheres of adamantium being phased into his eyes by Shadowcat, for instance, or any such attack targeted to blind, cripple, etcetera
-- sonics/hypersonics
-- rapid buffeting of ears (check Justice League of America 29, Flash versus GalaxySneeze-era Ultraman)

Bump.

I stumbled upon a showing of someone actually making a crazy person sane.

That would be Psylocke, and she recently did this for Mystique.
I was looking for a place to record that, but found KMC apparently does not have a Psylocke Respect Thread. However, I found that Comic Vine does.
I unexpectedly found the following, and remembered this thread.


This is Psylocke versus Juggernaut, in her earliest days as an X-Men member.
Struck by it because Juggernaut to this point was typically impervious to even Professor X attempting to affect him with his helmet on. Here, Juggernaut actually has TWO helmets on, the 2nd one revealed after this scene.
Even so, Psylocke is able to affect him to the point that he cries out in pain ...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/30531904/image.jpg.html


... and once Longshot and Dazzler remove the helmets from Juggernaut FOR Psylocke ...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/30531905/image.jpg.html

... drops him.

The point should be obvious. Psylocke doesn't even need to make physical contact to take down people who were, arguably, even tougher than Pre-Crisis Supes. Not with time and teammates to help her, at least.