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I've always enjoyed seeing great combat speed and it appears most here does as well.

Question here is, minus the Flashes (Zooms included), does anyone have COMBAT showings where they are moving so fast bullet times PLUS are unable to detect them.? They are completely invisible.

Goku



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superman

No anime here

Originally posted by ghostman
superman

You have scans

Plutonian

Originally posted by carver9
You have scans

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Goku



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We don't believe in DBZ round these parts.

Originally posted by carver9
You have scans




Really carver?!

Originally posted by carver9
You have scans

You're bound to understand one of these.....maybe.

Yf7CaJsM5do

Originally posted by Delta1938
You're bound to understand one of these.....maybe.

Yf7CaJsM5do

Superman

Originally posted by carver9
I've always enjoyed seeing great combat speed and it appears most here does as well.

Question here is, minus the Flashes (Zooms included), does anyone have COMBAT showings where they are moving so fast bullet times PLUS are unable to detect them.? They are completely invisible.

Several. Two quick ones are Superman (including one where he became invisible by vibrating), and He'l (who moved so fast Superman didn't see him move).

Marvel's villain Qunatum

ShariForce Iron Fist can move at the speed of light

Superman. Supergirl once vibrated so fast she became invisible iirc. She remarked that she learned that trick from flash. Idk which comic. Does superman punching doomsday 4035 times at superspeed count? Or are you just asking for speed feats which made characters invisible?

I don't think people know what COMBAT means. Oh well.

Originally posted by "Id"
Plutonian


You have scans? I'm not talking about him flying off within a Pico second. This is combat showings only.

They have to be so fast that they turn invisible?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think people know what COMBAT means. Oh well.

No they don't...

I was banned two days for saying Superman is a slowpoke. -.-

Originally posted by carver9
I've always enjoyed seeing great combat speed and it appears most here does as well.

Question here is, minus the Flashes (Zooms included), does anyone have COMBAT showings where they are moving so fast bullet times PLUS are unable to detect them.? They are completely invisible. Originally posted by ghostman
superman Originally posted by carver9
You have scans
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed1_zpsku90aydw.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed2_zpsvajd7egd.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed3_zpspxjdtdxg.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed4_zpsgiey9bfd.jpg

Carver, this is at least the 2nd time I've posted these exact scans for you. You seriously need to bookmark the pages where you get shown proof, or save the images. That way you won't "forget" after people show you proof.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think people know what COMBAT means. Oh well.


Since you didn't understand speed "feats" you argued for Wonder Woman in a BZ(if I'm generous and give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't flat out lying), this is rich.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
No they don't...

I was banned two days for saying Superman is a slowpoke. -.-

I question if even you believe that.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I question if even you believe that.

When a character get tagged all the time since his creation 75 years ago in every comics, struggle to land a single blow on street-levelers, only deal with slow bricks in combat with no combat training in hand-to-hand, barely land one attack per panel and struggle like hell to block a single attack from the quoted slo bricks... He is clearly a slowpoke in combat.

It doesn't matter if he can accelerate his perception, all that matters is his ability to deal with people in hand-to-hand situation.

It doesn't matter how fast he can fly or run neither. You wouldn't make an argument for Usain Bolt being faster in combat than Bruce Lee because he can run faster than him, won't you ?

I understand that it's annoying that a character that you like isn't good in all areas but comic book characters have always fight at human speeds in hand-to-hand situations minus certain situations like the Flash building a lot speed before trading blows with Zoom for example. There they had extra-attacks and extra-defenses coming from their ability to build speed.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
When a character get tagged all the time since his creation 75 years ago in every comics, struggle to land a single blow on street-levelers, only deal with slow bricks in combat with no combat training in hand-to-hand, barely land one attack per panel and struggle like hell to block a single attack from the quoted slo bricks... He is clearly a slowpoke in combat.

It doesn't matter if he can accelerate his perception, all that matters is his ability to deal with people in hand-to-hand situation.

It doesn't matter how fast he can fly or run neither. You wouldn't make an argument for Usain Bolt being faster in combat than Bruce Lee because he can run faster than him, won't you ?

I understand that it's annoying that a character that you like isn't good in all areas but comic book characters have always fight at human speeds in hand-to-hand situations minus certain situations like the Flash building a lot speed before trading blows with Zoom for example. There they had extra-attacks and extra-defenses coming from their ability to build speed.


Your tears are delicious.

Originally posted by carver9
I've always enjoyed seeing great combat speed and it appears most here does as well.

Question here is, minus the Flashes (Zooms included), does anyone have COMBAT showings where they are moving so fast bullet times PLUS are unable to detect them.? They are completely invisible.

Black Adam has some nice feats with Jay Garrick.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
When a character get tagged all the time since his creation 75 years ago in every comics, struggle to land a single blow on street-levelers, only deal with slow bricks in combat with no combat training in hand-to-hand, barely land one attack per panel and struggle like hell to block a single attack from the quoted slo bricks... He is clearly a slowpoke in combat.

He's not clearly a slowpoke. He is clearly a comic character who has been around for a very very long time and who has a powerset featuring numerous abilities, not just speed.

He's insanely powerful already, of course he won't be written as blitzing left and right.



He doesn't need to accelerate his perceptions. Various speed feats show this.



It's not about being good in all areas. You also mentioned all this stuff about getting tagged by slow bricks and all that. You fail to mention the many many speed feats Superman has had over the past 75 years.

He has super speed, he has a variety of feats showing he can move and react at high speeds. Yes, he also has a shitload of appearances, so of course he's going to have low showings. Like I said his main power isn't even speed..if it was I'd assume he would use it more often.

To suggest Superman can only fight at human speeds in hand to hand just makes no actual sense. We've actually seen Superman specifically use super speed for hand to hand combat.

I don't have the issue number, but it's the same issue with Doomsday where Superman phases and allows fire breath to pass right through him. There is a part where we see him attacking Doomsday from all sides with super speed. Granted it doesn't have much of an effect, but it shows he certainly is capable of it.

I understand that people can find super speed annoying and a cheap victory. The solution to that is to either not use characters with high end speed, to turn off their speed for fights, or to put them up against an opponent where a speed advantage isn't an automatic win. The solution is not to pretend like the character doesn't have speed feats showing he can fight fast. Nor is the solution to pretend like it's impossible for us to extrapolate about certain things given a characters speed feats. Like if a character shows they have a high end reaction time and also can move their body at high speeds..even if they have never specifically used speed to fight someone, we can extrapolate that given their other feats..they could.

Comics are not DBZ where every single character has super speed and thus you see it used all the time.

Originally posted by Surtur
He's not clearly a slowpoke. He is clearly a comic character who has been around for a very very long time and who has a powerset featuring numerous abilities, not just speed.

He's insanely powerful already, of course he won't be written as blitzing left and right.



He doesn't need to accelerate his perceptions. Various speed feats show this.



It's not about being good in all areas. You also mentioned all this stuff about getting tagged by slow bricks and all that. You fail to mention the many many speed feats Superman has had over the past 75 years.

He has super speed, he has a variety of feats showing he can move and react at high speeds. Yes, he also has a shitload of appearances, so of course he's going to have low showings. Like I said his main power isn't even speed..if it was I'd assume he would use it more often.

To suggest Superman can only fight at human speeds in hand to hand just makes no actual sense. We've actually seen Superman specifically use super speed for hand to hand combat.

I don't have the issue number, but it's the same issue with Doomsday where Superman phases and allows fire breath to pass right through him. There is a part where we see him attacking Doomsday from all sides with super speed. Granted it doesn't have much of an effect, but it shows he certainly is capable of it.

I understand that people can find super speed annoying and a cheap victory. The solution to that is to either not use characters with high end speed, to turn off their speed for fights, or to put them up against an opponent where a speed advantage isn't an automatic win. The solution is not to pretend like the character doesn't have speed feats showing he can fight fast.

He's a troll(which is actually what I referred to about I question if even he believes what he said, I meant his claimed reason for getting a temp ban instead of the fact that he was trolling), so he'll just mental gymnastic his way out of "in-character."

And it was SUPERMAN(V2) #175.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They have to be so fast that they turn invisible?

No. Read the OP. The question is simple.

Originally posted by Surtur
Black Adam has some nice feats with Jay Garrick.

Scans. Please read the OP.

Originally posted by Badabing
http://s82.photobucket.com/user/Badabing_2006/media/DC/Superspeed1_zpsku90aydw.jpg.html]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed1_zpsku90aydw.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed2_zpsvajd7egd.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed3_zpspxjdtdxg.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed4_zpsgiey9bfd.jpg

Carver, this is at least the 2nd time I've posted these exact scans for you. You seriously need to bookmark the pages where you get shown proof, or save the images. That way you won't "forget" after people show you proof.


Sigh. I never said Superman or Flash isn't fast. I think everyone here is purposely ignoring my question because I made the thread.

This thread isn't an attack towards any character, I really want to see this stuff. There's no agenda, nothing. If no one can provide what I'm asking for, then please just skip over the thread. I'll try and post showings.

Originally posted by carver9
I've always enjoyed seeing great combat speed and it appears most here does as well.

Question here is, minus the Flashes (Zooms included), does anyone have COMBAT showings where they are moving so fast bullet times PLUS are unable to detect them.? They are completely invisible.

So why say...

Originally posted by carver9
No. Read the OP. The question is simple.

Genuine question here. Do they have to be fighting so quickly, that they appear invisible to their target?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So why say...



Genuine question here. Do they have to be fighting so quickly, that they appear invisible to their target?

"Moving so fast that bullet timers (people like Deathstroke, Spiderman or even greater) is unable to detect them DURING combat. They are gone from their site. Moving too fast for humans to detect, I guess that's ok but it doesn't pertain to what I'm asking.

So to answer your question, yes, that's what I'm looking for.

Ah, ok.

Constantine Drakon, slitting Roy Harper's throat before he can even react - whilst FACING him. Roy even knows he has a knife in his hand....

http://i.imgur.com/7kIZ1vT.png
http://i.imgur.com/mC0gnlm.png

Originally posted by Delta1938
Your tears are delicious.

Which tears ?

I am sharing my opinion.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Which tears ?

I am sharing my opinion.

False. You're trolling and don't like you didn't get away with it.

Deadshot, whilst facing Batman, loses him from his sight:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batsquadshot.jpg

DCnU Lobo vs Batman:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Agility-Speed/Speed/batmansuperman29-batmancutsofflobosfingers1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Agility-Speed/Speed/batmansuperman29-batmancutsofflobosfingers2.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend


/endthread

http://i.imgur.com/Av74RKa.jpg

Something very similar to celey's post - Midnighter, with a gun pressed against his head, and from a squatting position, manages to blitz the gun AND get behind the shooter before he can shoot:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qiEAT1_j1nc/VozhrhEYiuI/AAAAAAAUcyg/6j-96GulbTk/s1600/6_11.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4rQSp78M-pw/Vozhrt7qwAI/AAAAAAAUcyc/jmmNIYN14ps/s1600/6_12.jpg

Originally posted by Badabing
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed1_zpsku90aydw.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed2_zpsvajd7egd.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed3_zpspxjdtdxg.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed4_zpsgiey9bfd.jpg

Carver, this is at least the 2nd time I've posted these exact scans for you. You seriously need to bookmark the pages where you get shown proof, or save the images. That way you won't "forget" after people show you proof.

This also isn't the only feat of it's kind.



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/3282461-2.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/3282462-3.png

From a 1980's Action Comic, this pre-dates your example.



And I find Carver's claim of no ulterior motives suspicious, to say the least, given his history of lawballing Superman and his love of Dragon Ball, which places a much heavier emphesis on combat feats than American comics, as most manga does.

Originally posted by cdtm
/endthread


I mean, I could post literally hundreds of scans and Carver would make the same thread in two months. So why bother?

Originally posted by cdtm
This also isn't the only feat of it's kind.



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/3282461-2.png

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/3282462-3.png

From a 1980's Action Comic, this pre-dates your example.



And I find Carver's claim of no ulterior motives suspicious, to say the least, given his history of lawballing Superman and his love of Dragon Ball, which places a much heavier emphesis on combat feats than American comics, as most manga does.

It showed me even more just how dishonest he is when he told me Superman is one of his top 5 favorite characters considering how much he lies to make Superman look bad.

I just think he's enamored with speed showings. He makes a similar thread every so often.

I actually don't mind reading these scans. Always gud fun.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah, ok.

Constantine Drakon, slitting Roy Harper's throat before he can even react - whilst FACING him. Roy even knows he has a knife in his hand....

http://i.imgur.com/7kIZ1vT.png
http://i.imgur.com/mC0gnlm.png

OK, you're doing good. Now how fast are the people that is unable to detect said people?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Something very similar to celey's post - Midnighter, with a gun pressed against his head, and from a squatting position, manages to blitz the gun AND get behind the shooter before he can shoot:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qiEAT1_j1nc/VozhrhEYiuI/AAAAAAAUcyg/6j-96GulbTk/s1600/6_11.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4rQSp78M-pw/Vozhrt7qwAI/AAAAAAAUcyc/jmmNIYN14ps/s1600/6_12.jpg

How fast is the shooter?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I just think he's enamored with speed showings. He makes a similar thread every so often.

I actually don't mind reading these scans. Always gud fun.

True. Don't think people understand the threads though.

I also posted several Batman showings.

Originally posted by Badabing
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed1_zpsku90aydw.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed2_zpsvajd7egd.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed3_zpspxjdtdxg.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/Superspeed4_zpsgiey9bfd.jpg

King of all Outliers http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon12.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I also posted several Batman showings.

yeah, with Lobo (is Lobo able to see bullets in slow mo) and Dead shot. I don't consider either of these people speedsters. Great showings for Batman but does it relate to this thread? Naah.

"How fast are the people who were unable to see him?"

No ulterior motives here!

Originally posted by carver9
yeah, with Lobo (is Lobo able to see bullets in slow mo) and Dead shot. I don't consider either of these people speedsters. Great showings for Batman but does it relate to this thread? Naah.

Deadshot has bullet timing feats, the usual laser dodging feats and Lobo is fast enough to tag Supergirl (and I know how much you like the feat where she fights with Barry).

But if you want Batman and speedsters...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batstealthcheetah1.jpg

Cheetah

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batstealthflash2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batstealthflash3.jpg

Jay Garrick

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Stealth/batmansuperman15-batstealth.jpg

Superman/Lois/Catwoman (who also has bullet feats of her own).

Whilst not in combat, note that in the last scan, they are looking DIRECTLY at him. No flashbangs, no smoke bombs, no distractions.

Same with Azrael:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat%20pics%202/batstealth-azreal27.jpg

Kid Flash:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Agility-Speed/Speed/impulse50-batimpulse2.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
True. Don't think people understand the threads though.

Here is an example of combat speed:

Attack, block, dodge, feint...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3772218-8431112143-32211.jpg

In case you want them, carver, here are Catwoman's bullet feats. In the first two, she is actually observing the bullets (I know you like that kinda thing):

http://i.imgur.com/sFnHODm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UTvbPo2.jpg

Anyway, on to the bullets:
http://i.imgur.com/hdE39TF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XOmYLHw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NW6IJvs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZYhokzY.jpg

FOUR guys with automatic weapons, aiming at her:
http://i.imgur.com/r1ha8Kx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lKi6dWY.jpg

Literally disappearing in front of mobsters' view:
http://i.imgur.com/da9N0ls.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oIgSZxD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pIAAZ1L.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hdE39TF.jpg

IOW, she's fast. And Bats literally disappeared in front of her, whilst she was looking at him. Azrael too has some pretty nifty speed feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Deadshot has bullet timing feats, the usual laser dodging feats and Lobo is fast enough to tag Supergirl (and I know how much you like the feat where she fights with Barry).

But if you want Batman and speedsters...

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batstealthcheetah1.jpg

Cheetah

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batstealthflash2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batstealthflash3.jpg

Jay Garrick

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Stealth/batmansuperman15-batstealth.jpg

Superman/Lois/Catwoman (who also has bullet feats of her own).

Whilst not in combat, note that in the last scan, they are looking DIRECTLY at him. No flashbangs, no smoke bombs, no distractions.

Same with Azrael:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/bat%20pics%202/batstealth-azreal27.jpg

Kid Flash:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Agility-Speed/Speed/impulse50-batimpulse2.jpg

What bullet timing fts?

Question. Are you saying Batman is as fast as the people he tagged in those scans? If not, if these are speed fts, tagging these characters, is this across the board? Like Punisher tagging Sentry, Wolverine tagging Gladiator, Hulk tagging gladiator and Hyperion. Or does this just apply to Batman? Hello

Lobo was able to do this to Supergirl (note, he actually hurt her. A lot):
https://pp.vk.me/c628127/v628127175/bc91/eTBp_gljVnw.jpg

Supergirl, as you know, does this to Barry:

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128749/4930952-3722750030-49300.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
What bullet timing fts?

Question. Are you saying Batman is as fast as the people he tagged in those scans? If not, if these are speed fts, tagging these characters, is this across the board? Like Punisher tagging Sentry, Wolverine tagging Gladiator, Hulk tagging gladiator and Hyperion. Or does this just apply to Batman? Hello

I posted the Catwoman feats.

I am merely answering the OP's post. Are we not just enjoying seeing great combat speed scans? ARE YOU TELLING ME THERE IS ANOTHER MOTIVE BESIDES JUST PURE ENJOYMENT?????

I just thought you wanted to see the scans. No agenda.

For shame

Why are you picking holes You make me so sad.

I give up. I just give up. I would post what I'm talking about but it would do know good here because the OP is already being ignored.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DCnU Lobo vs Batman:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Agility-Speed/Speed/batmansuperman29-batmancutsofflobosfingers1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Agility-Speed/Speed/batmansuperman29-batmancutsofflobosfingers2.jpg

So Batman holds back?

Who the **** wrote this useless garbage? The fact that Bruce was even able to do that to Lobo is another reason i hate anything Batman related.

Originally posted by carver9
No anime here

They make dbz comics noob

It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.

Now this guy knows what I am talking about.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.

Do you mean that Surfer performed a charge ?

Originally posted by carver9
Now this guy knows what I am talking about.

Despite his admission it wasn't really during combat? Lol.

Agenda alert! Agenda alert!

Combat speed should equal travel speed.

Per op child goku moved so fast humans couldn't see him.

As for the thread seems like a veiled attempt at some underhandedness.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Combat speed should equal travel speed.

Per op child goku moved so fast humans couldn't see him.

As for the thread seems like a veiled attempt at some underhandedness.

No Goku in this thread. Also, I'm not talking about flight here aka bullrushing. I'm talking pure combat speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Despite his admission it wasn't really during combat? Lol.

Agenda alert! Agenda alert!

I'm not talking about that part of his conversation, I'm talking about him referencing DURING COMBAT. I'll provide an example of what I'm looking for shortly.

Originally posted by carver9
No Goku in this thread. Also, I'm not talking about flight here aka bullrushing. I'm talking pure combat speed.

Y not. Per your own op you stated"no zoom,flash"..goku has a comic book depiction so not sure y i cant use dbz. Plus you keep saying you'll provide an example and this thread is four pages in. Get on with it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Y not. Per your own op you stated"no zoom,flash"..goku has a comic book depiction so not sure y i cant use dbz. Plus you keep saying you'll provide an example and this thread is four pages in. Get on with it.

Because this isn't about Goku or any other Anime character. Finding things like this in Anime comics isn't hard at all. I want this thread to be challenging. So no anime characters, all DC, Marvel and Image.

I cant find anything.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Do you mean that Surfer performed a charge ?
Grabbing someone by the throat and throwing them is more than simply "charging". If he'd preformed the throw at human/regular speed he'd have been seen and not mistaken for an energy blast.

There's the famous Superboy feat against Mordru.

As he fires off a magic bolt, Superboy gathers sand, fuses it into a bubble, packs the LOSH into the bubble, and takes off into the time stream. All before the bolt hits the ground.

Originally posted by carver9
Because this isn't about Goku or any other Anime character. Finding things like this in Anime comics isn't hard at all. I want this thread to be challenging. So no anime characters, all DC, Marvel and Image.

I cant find anything.

Meh. Combat speed fallacy. This argument ever comes up in the foreign cinema forum because this is all dbz tards have as a unit of wanking to place against us comic characters. I think the idea that travel speed and combat are different is idiotic when they are fundamentally the same. Both require reaction time, perception and speed. So it's obvious to anyone whose not cheerleading that if Surfer can fly thru meteor showers that he should be able to avoid punches. American style comic art just doesnt depict "blur lines" as haphazardly as manga does. But if you're still looking for an example scroll back to the 1st two pages. Its laden with them

Originally posted by darthgoober
Grabbing someone by the throat and throwing them is more than simply "charging". If he'd preformed the throw at human/regular speed he'd have been seen and not mistaken for an energy blast.

It's a charge.

It doesn't matter what he did with his hands.


http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/charge

B2 to move forward quickly and violently, especially towards something that has caused difficulty or anger:
The bull lowered its horns and charged.
The violence began when the police charged (at) a crowd of demonstrators.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh. Combat speed fallacy. This argument ever comes up in the foreign cinema forum because this is all dbz tards have as a unit of wanking to place against us comic characters. I think the idea that travel speed and combat are different is idiotic when they are fundamentally the same. Both require reaction time, perception and speed. So it's obvious to anyone whose not cheerleading that if Surfer can fly thru meteor showers that he should be able to avoid punches. American style comic art just doesnt depict "blur lines" as haphazardly as manga does. But if you're still looking for an example scroll back to the 1st two pages. Its laden with them

Vulcan flew faster than light. Are you sitting here telling me that he has FTL combat speed? Flight and combat speed are completely different imo.

The scans in the first two pages did not present what I was asking for.

DBZ isn't in this thread. Please stop using this. I dont understand why people always think everything involves an agenda.

It does matter, as it proves his hand speed.

Surfer's also charged through a prison built of vibranium and rigged with explosives, to grab and pull out Nova (Another hand speed feat) before the signal to the explosives could trigger.

Originally posted by cdtm
It does matter, as it proves his hand speed.

Surfer's also charged through a prison built of vibranium and rigged with explosives, to grab and pull out Nova (Another hand speed feat) before the signal to the explosives could trigger.

We are discussing combat here. I'm sure Spiderman can make a sandwich at super speed. Something fighting back against you is a different story.

That was during combat. With the Skrulls, who had Nova imprisoned (And Galactus helpless to act.)

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh. Combat speed fallacy.

It's not a "combat speed fallacy".

if you had any notion about what an hand-to-hand fight is you wouldn't shout that "Oserver / Cruelestashley" XD




It comes from people knowing what they are talking about...



Personal attacks against dbz fans or carver doesn't make your points valid.



So you are saying that running and flying are the same as trading / avoiding / blocking blows ?

Please elaborate. XD



Trading blows =/= running or flying no matter how hard you are trying to make a definist fallacy.




No.

Navigating through meteors is different than avoiding punches.

So by your logic Alain Prost whom can drive at over 200 km/h can avoid Bruce Lee attacks because he is accustomed to moving at high speeds ?

Please elaborate.





Nobody talked about "blur lines" but yourself.

Nice strawman.



I'm glad I answered to that post.

Besides a poor attempt at bashing him you actually have an erroneous logic.

Originally posted by carver9
We are discussing combat here. I'm sure Spiderman can make a sandwich at super speed. Something fighting back against you is a different story.

Something fighting back is usually irrelevant if they aren't on the same level of speed.

If Spiderman can make a sandwich at super-speed, he would wreck an opponent that can't make a sandwich at super-speed--all other stats being equal.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's not a "combat speed fallacy".

if you had any notion about what an hand-to-hand fight is you wouldn't shout that "Oserver / Cruelestashley" XD




It comes from people knowing what they are talking about...



Personal attacks against dbz fans or carver doesn't make your points valid.



So you are saying that running and flying are the same as trading / avoiding / blocking blows ?

Please elaborate. XD



Trading blows =/= running or flying no matter how hard you are trying to make a definist fallacy.




No.

Navigating through meteors is different than avoiding punches.

So by your logic Alain Prost whom can drive at over 200 km/h can avoid Bruce Lee attacks because he is accustomed to moving at high speeds ?

Please elaborate.





Nobody talked about "blur lines" but yourself.

Nice strawman.



I'm glad I answered to that post.

Besides a poor attempt at bashing him you actually have an erroneous logic.

While I agree on flight speed not equalling combat speed, everything else you argue, the only alternative to you not being a lying troll is a hilarious inability to comprehend something pretty basic about comics. You're reminding me of Jon Jones and how him lying about Viagra being the reason he failed a drug test actually made it worse for him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It was the opening shot and a bit of a surprise so it wasn't really DURING combat, but Surfer flew up, grabbed Nova Prime by the throat, and threw him so fast/hard that Rich thought Galactus had hit him with an energy blast so it's still a pretty good combat speed feat given Nova's speed/reflexes.
Surfer attacked him from behind.

And why does anybody responds to RealityWarper? Dude thinks Flash is slower than some random street leveler.

Idiocy at finest.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's a charge.

It doesn't matter what he did with his hands.


http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/charge

B2 to move forward quickly and violently, especially towards something that has caused difficulty or anger:
The bull lowered its horns and charged.
The violence began when the police charged (at) a crowd of demonstrators.
His flight is a charge, the grab and throw still shows superhuman combat speed of a non charging nature though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer attacked him from behind.

And why does anybody responds to RealityWarper? Dude thinks Flash is slower than some random street leveler.

Idiocy at finest.
I specifically pointed out that there was surprise involved. And anyway, it's not like he grabbed Nova by the back of the neck and simply towed him along, he had him from in front(by the throat) at arm's length and then threw him. If anything Surfer coming from behind, reversing direction, grabbing, and then throwing him without actually being seen is even more impressive than just rushing in from in front but just outside of max visual range at top speed and doing the job.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I specifically pointed out that there was surprise involved. And anyway, it's not like he grabbed Nova by the back of the neck and simply towed him along, he had him from in front(by the throat) at arm's length and then threw him. If anything Surfer coming from behind, reversing direction, grabbing, and then throwing him without actually being seen is even more impressive than just rushing in from in front but just outside of max visual range at top speed and doing the job.
What are you talking about? He merely grabbed Nova by throat and threw him after surprising him.

http://imgur.com/a/lqxPr#0

Its from front as well. Its simply a charge by front.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you talking about? He merely grabbed Nova by throat and threw him after surprising him.

http://imgur.com/a/lqxPr#0

Its from front as well. Its simply a charge by front.
Hey you were the one who said he attacked from behind, I thought I was just remembering it wrong lol. Still an impressive showing of h2h combat speed however you slice it.

Originally posted by carver9
You have scans? I'm not talking about him flying off within a Pico second. This is combat showings only.
http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519956_irredeemable_21_003.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519957_irredeemable_21_004.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519958_irredeemable_21_005.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519959_irredeemable_21_006.jpg

"Well the bullets weren't meant for him so not a combat showing."
-Carver

:P

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey you were the one who said he attacked from behind, I thought I was just remembering it wrong lol. Still an impressive showing of h2h combat speed however you slice it.
What h2h showing? He basically grabbed him and threw him away. Its called a bullrush.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What h2h showing? He basically grabbed him and threw him away. Its called a bullrush.
A grab and throw is a h2h maneuver requiring multiple deliberate/coordinated muscle actions. It's not like just running into him with his board or anything like that, he grabbed him by the throat and threw him... that's not a bullrush.

All you have to do is grab the guy by neck. It's not like he punched Nova several times.

It's not even that good of speed showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
All you have to do is grab the guy by neck. It's not like he punched Nova several times.

It's not even that good of speed showing.
When you do that to someone who has super speed themselves and they don't even actually see you and instead think they got hit by some kind of energy blast... it's impressive. Keep in mind, I'm not saying it's the most impressive combat speed feat out there, just that it exist and is impressive. Now I don't expect YOU to admit that it's impressive because it totally contradicts your stance on Surfer's combat speed, but to the unbiased... it's noteworthy at the very least.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
"Well the bullets weren't meant for him so not a combat showing."
-Carver

:P
http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/30520552_irr_30_014.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/30520553_irr_30_015.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/30520554_irr_30_016.jpg

Originally posted by darthgoober
When you do that to someone who has super speed themselves and they don't even actually see you and instead think they got hit by some kind of energy blast... it's impressive. Keep in mind, I'm not saying it's the most impressive combat speed feat out there, just that it exist and is impressive. Now I don't expect YOU to admit that it's impressive because it totally contradicts your stance on Surfer's combat speed, but to the unbiased... it's noteworthy at the very least.
Nova was surprised. That's why it is called a sucker attack.

Otherwise Nova had no trouble tracking Surfer or hitting him. If Surfer was really so fast that Nova couldn't even see him, that wouldn't happen.

I'm biased and you're not? Right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nova was surprised. That's why it is called a sucker attack.

Otherwise Nova had no trouble tracking Surfer or hitting him. If Surfer was really so fast that Nova couldn't even see him, that wouldn't happen.

I'm biased and you're not? Right.
Again, I already acknowledged there was surprise involved. Surfer still grabbed him and threw him so fast that Nova didn't know what happened... ergo, still impressive combat speed. And yes, Surfer didn't blitz him like again in the fight, but that kind of thing happens all the time in comics. Slowing down is just one way writers can further the plot and/or make the fight last more than a panel or two(happens to Flash all the time). Also, you gotta remember that the WM was helping Nova in regards to the rest of the fight. Which actually adds to the impressiveness of the initial blitz if you think about it. Apparently he opened up going so fast the the WM wasn't able to shout out a warning to evade or throw up a shield to protect Rich like is was later on. Again, I don't expect you to ever admit to such a thing, I was pointing out the feat for those who were actually willing to see it for what it was(obviously not you).

I've never said I was unbiased in regards to Surfer, though I do actually work at keeping it in check. Hell I was the one who was always telling folks that Supes would at least make Surfer work for the win back when a lot of folks were making matchups between the two out to be stomps in Surfer's favor.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I already acknowledged there was surprise involved. Surfer still grabbed him and threw him so fast that Nova didn't know what happened... ergo, still impressive combat speed. And yes, Surfer didn't blitz him like again in the fight, but that kind of thing happens all the time in comics. Slowing down is just one way writers can further the plot and/or make the fight last more than a panel or two(happens to Flash all the time). Also, you gotta remember that the WM was helping Nova in regards to the rest of the fight. Which actually adds to the impressiveness of the initial blitz if you think about it. Apparently he opened up going so fast the the WM wasn't able to shout out a warning to evade or throw up a shield to protect Rich like is was later on. Again, I don't expect you to ever admit to such a thing, I was pointing out the feat for those who were actually willing to see it for what it was(obviously not you).

I've never said I was unbiased in regards to Surfer, though I do actually work at keeping it in check. Hell I was the one who was always telling folks that Supes would at least make Surfer work for the win back when a lot of folks were making matchups between the two out to be stomps in Surfer's favor.
Yes, surprised. That's why he couldn't react in time. If your entire argument is based on Surfer surprising Nova, you might as well give Deathstroke Flash level superspeed.

It certainly didn't happen because Surfer was faster in combat.

If you are unaware, World mind was not at full capacity in that fight. So no, you can't extrapolate it to further level.

And yet, you give Surfer 8-9/10 against Superman. Certainly not biased.

Originally posted by "Id"
http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/30520552_irr_30_014.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/30520553_irr_30_015.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/30520554_irr_30_016.jpg

Read OP.

Originally posted by "Id"
http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519956_irredeemable_21_003.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519957_irredeemable_21_004.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519958_irredeemable_21_005.jpg http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t/30519959_irredeemable_21_006.jpg

Read OP. It seems like Goober is the only one that gets it.

Originally posted by carver9
Read OP. It seems like Goober is the only one that gets it.

I think everybody gets you'll keep moving the goal post whenever it helps your case.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I already acknowledged there was surprise involved. Surfer still grabbed him and threw him so fast that Nova didn't know what happened... ergo, still impressive combat speed. And yes, Surfer didn't blitz him like again in the fight, but that kind of thing happens all the time in comics. Slowing down is just one way writers can further the plot and/or make the fight last more than a panel or two(happens to Flash all the time). Also, you gotta remember that the WM was helping Nova in regards to the rest of the fight. Which actually adds to the impressiveness of the initial blitz if you think about it. Apparently he opened up going so fast the the WM wasn't able to shout out a warning to evade or throw up a shield to protect Rich like is was later on. Again, I don't expect you to ever admit to such a thing, I was pointing out the feat for those who were actually willing to see it for what it was(obviously not you).

I've never said I was unbiased in regards to Surfer, though I do actually work at keeping it in check. Hell I was the one who was always telling folks that Supes would at least make Surfer work for the win back when a lot of folks were making matchups between the two out to be stomps in Surfer's favor. Abhi won't ever see it. He's lost. The best part is he used to believe Surfer wins the majority himself but criticizes you for the same opinion. Talk about some major hypocrisy right there.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
It's not a "combat speed fallacy".

if you had any notion about what an hand-to-hand fight is you wouldn't shout that "Oserver / Cruelestashley" XD




It comes from people knowing what they are talking about...



Personal attacks against dbz fans or carver doesn't make your points valid.



So you are saying that running and flying are the same as trading / avoiding / blocking blows ?

Please elaborate. XD



Trading blows =/= running or flying no matter how hard you are trying to make a definist fallacy.




No.

Navigating through meteors is different than avoiding punches.

So by your logic Alain Prost whom can drive at over 200 km/h can avoid Bruce Lee attacks because he is accustomed to moving at high speeds ?

Please elaborate.





Nobody talked about "blur lines" but yourself.

Nice strawman.



I'm glad I answered to that post.

Besides a poor attempt at bashing him you actually have an erroneous logic.

Im sorry who the phuck are you? I was talking to Carver. He created a thread. Posters responded. Disparaged said post. Was asked for an example yet provided none. Try knowing wtf youre talking about before addressing me next time sweetie.

Originally posted by darthgoober
A grab and throw is a h2h maneuver requiring multiple deliberate/coordinated muscle actions. It's not like just running into him with his board or anything like that, he grabbed him by the throat and threw him... that's not a bullrush.

Abhi is so envious of the Surfer. He knows this Pacifist has Superman's number.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im sorry who the phuck are you? I was talking to Carver. He created a thread. Posters responded. Disparaged said post. Was asked for an example yet provided none. Try knowing wtf youre talking about before addressing me next time sweetie.

I know you was talking to Carver but your whole post was addressed to anyone speaking about combat speed so I corrected you.

Originally posted by carver9
I've always enjoyed seeing great combat speed and it appears most here does as well.

Question here is, minus the Flashes (Zooms included), does anyone have COMBAT showings where they are moving so fast bullet times PLUS are unable to detect them.? They are completely invisible.
Combat showings.

Here is one instance. He incapacitates a team, and steals the wrist band before Qubit can notice.
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521664_Irredeemable_004_pg016.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521665_Irredeemable_004_pg017.jpg

Here is another instance.
http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t/30521727_incor_22_006.jpg http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t/30521728_incor_22_007.jpg

Here he Super Accelerates
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521739_irr_19_11.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521741_irr_19_12.jpg

Surfer flew at Nova from the front
Grabbed his throat
Flew in a brief distance and tossed him aside

Nova thought he was hit by an energy blast .

Does that count?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I know you was talking to Carver but your whole post was addressed to anyone speaking about combat speed so I corrected you.

you didn't correct shit. my post was addressed to carver not "anyone speaking about combat speed" so next time youre feeling insecure and decide to initiate operation bro shield by coddling carters nuts make sure you check the right person i.e. yourself. Not I, guy.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
you didn't correct shit.


I corrected your whole post which proves that you don't understand the difference between someone running (or flying) and someone fighting in hand-to-hand which implies an use of the limbs to strike while being grounded, that's clearly not the same thing.

Here is your fallacious post so quoting yourself:




I have bolded the part where you are targeting the whole "foreign cinema forum", especially people defending the DBZ side calling them "DBZtards"...

I corrected the fact that you are mistaking a character navigating through meteors and a character trading blow with another one for the same thing which is nonsensical at best.




Your post was adressed to:



You couldn't be more clear or assuming what you said in your own post is too much.




http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insecure





If you look at the definition of the word insecure you can get that what you are implying doesn't fit.

I corrected your sayings about combat speed because I'm 100 % certain I know what I am talking about. I'm totally confident in my abilities of understanding those concepts.

On the other hand I can believe that all of your aggressiveness have biological reasons to be here as I've been very civil so far while you was very rude and obnoxious to people having a correct understanding of the combat speed.

Period. :=)

I wish you a very good day.

Originally posted by "Id"
Combat showings.

Here is one instance. He incapacitates a team, and steals the wrist band before Qubit can notice.
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521664_Irredeemable_004_pg016.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521665_Irredeemable_004_pg017.jpg

Here is another instance.
http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t/30521727_incor_22_006.jpg http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t/30521728_incor_22_007.jpg

Here he Super Accelerates
http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521739_irr_19_11.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30521741_irr_19_12.jpg

You're almost there. So how fast are the peeps that are unable to detect him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, surprised. That's why he couldn't react in time. If your entire argument is based on Surfer surprising Nova, you might as well give Deathstroke Flash level superspeed.

It certainly didn't happen because Surfer was faster in combat.

If you are unaware, World mind was not at full capacity in that fight. So no, you can't extrapolate it to further level.

And yet, you give Surfer 8-9/10 against Superman. Certainly not biased.


Being surprised doesn't take away from your opponent moving too fast to be perceived when they attack you head on. It's not like turned around just as a punch to the face landed so he didn't know what happened. Surfer flew up, grabbed him, held him at arm's length, and threw him... and Nova never saw the guy. That's some freaking speed right there.

World Mind was shouting out warnings to evade and erecting shields independent of Rich's orders in their fight, it's certainly telling that he wasn't able to in regards to the opening shot.

Yeah I give Surfer 8-9/10 under the conditions of a forum fight... but all hard fought. Forum fights favor versatile characters against bricks because unlike comics they actually USE their versatility and don't fight like dopes the way so often happens in comics. Against characters similar to Supes but lacking his inherent weaknesses(like Captain Marvel), I only give Surfer 6-7/10. And before you object to the idea that character's versatility is covered in the forum rules, just take a look at the clarifications for CIS. Despite the fact that Thor virtually never capitalizes on his versatility in fights against Hulk, the rules specifically points out that he'll use his exotic attacks against the Green Goliath. And that's not even the rule about PIS, that's the rule about CIS. You're free to disagree with the rules, but don't hate on me just because my opinions on fights are based on them.

How on Earth is this still being discussed?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
How on Earth is this still being discussed?
Cause abhi is a "last word freak" lol. I'm about to let it drop, I just wanted to reiterate the circumstances and impressiveness so casual onlookers weren't fooled by the whole "it was a surprise attack" aspect of it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Being surprised doesn't take away from your opponent moving too fast to be perceived when they attack you head on. It's not like turned around just as a punch to the face landed so he didn't know what happened. Surfer flew up, grabbed him, held him at arm's length, and threw him... and Nova never saw the guy. That's some freaking speed right there.


Of course it does. That's like the first rule of the comics.

Batman practically lives on that trope.

Yeah, that's some speed. Flying speed that is. Nobody said Surfer was slow in flying speed.



Yes, because he wasn't operating at full capacity. Good luck extrapolating that.



Hey, fanfiction version of characters are always fun.

And who said under a forum fight Surfer can use his versatility but Superman can't use his speed? You know like the Flash?

Because Superman would literally bash Surfer's head in the moment fight starts in a forum scenario like the one you prefer.

That's just hilarious. You can't even show Surfer using weakness exploitation for once in the comics but somehow he uses it every time here.

In character is also in the rules you know.

You're a ****ing idiot if you think the rules state that. Thor fights in character. Surfer too. Superman too. That means the only showings that count are which have shown in the comics.

Not your make believe scenarios.

And Surfer would be lucky to get 2-3/10 against Superman. There you go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. That's like the first rule of the comics.

Batman practically lives on that trope.

Yeah, that's some speed. Flying speed that is. Nobody said Surfer was slow in flying speed.



Yes, because he wasn't operating at full capacity. Good luck extrapolating that.
So more denial... Ok I'll leave you to that lol. Freedom of choice means the freedom to choose wrong so have at it. As already stated, I'm not trying to convince you because the whole forum knows that such a thing is impossible, I was bringing up the feat for the benefit of the impartial.


Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey, fanfiction version of characters are always fun.

And who said under a forum fight Surfer can use his versatility but Superman can't use his speed? You know like the Flash?

Because Superman would literally bash Surfer's head in the moment fight starts in a forum scenario like the one you prefer.

That's just hilarious. You can't even show Surfer using weakness exploitation for once in the comics but somehow he uses it every time here.

In character is also in the rules you know.

You're a ****ing idiot if you think the rules state that. Thor fights in character. Surfer too. Superman too. That means the only showings that count are which have shown in the comics.

Not your make believe scenarios.

And Surfer would be lucky to get 2-3/10 against Superman. There you go.

And yet MORE denial... Dude just look at the rule. I'm not asking that you simply take my word for it, go check it out for yourself. It's mentioned towards the end of the clarification of CIS section, I believe. Only in passing because the primary point is that Thor will bust out exotic attacks on Hulk quicker than he would against someone he doesn't know, but it is a specific example given. Which definitively shows that versatility is covered in the rules not only under PIS but also those of CIS/"in character" because Thor virtually never busts out exotic attacks against the Hulk in comics. You may hate that the rules support such a thing, but it is what it is. If you need even more proof beyond the rules themselves, just ask Pr.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So more denial... Ok I'll leave you to that lol.

So some more rubbish when you get beaten again. Good to know.



If only it was a combat feat. Surprising someone with flight speed is not a combat feat, no matter how much you try to spin it.










I just did. And were you not the guy who threw a bitchy fit and left the forum for five years because the rules didn't work as per your fantasies?



But in character as Thor has used exotic attacks against Hulk in the past. he wouldn't go for transmutation or Soul suck as those are not in his character and neither does he uses those so often. That's why I don't argue for Superman to speedblitz every character into oblivion even though I certainly can and its far more in character for Superman to do.



I don't hate the rules. You certainly do though.

And fine, Superman speedblitzes Surfer and kills him in the first attosecond of the fight. There you go with versatility.

Goober really gets into abhi's head.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So some more rubbish when you get beaten again. Good to know.



If only it was a combat feat. Surprising someone with flight speed is not a combat feat, no matter how much you try to spin it.




Hey continue with your crusade against Surfer if you want, those without such an agenda can clearly see the validity of the feat...

Originally posted by cdtm
It does matter, as it proves his hand speed.

Surfer's also charged through a prison built of vibranium and rigged with explosives, to grab and pull out Nova (Another hand speed feat) before the signal to the explosives could trigger.




Originally posted by abhilegend




I just did. And were you not the guy who threw a bitchy fit and left the forum for five years because the rules didn't work as per your fantasies?

And I was right wasn't I? They do in fact say that Thor will use exotic attacks against the Hulk which mean that you were outright wrong when you made this foolish statement...

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're a ****ing idiot if you think the rules state that.

...right? On a separate note, you have a tendency to get REALLY angry for virtually no reason. You gotta learn to channel that negativity in an adequate fashion or it's gonna give you an ulcer.

Also no, those weren't the circumstances of my departure. I'm actually not allowed to go into the specifics because doing so would involve questioning mod rulings, accusing Mods of bias, and revealing PMs from mods(all of which are against the rules and are ban worthy offenses)... but no, you've heard wrong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But in character as Thor has used exotic attacks against Hulk in the past. he wouldn't go for transmutation or Soul suck as those are not in his character and neither does he uses those so often. That's why I don't argue for Superman to speedblitz every character into oblivion even though I certainly can and its far more in character for Superman to do.

Hey your attempts to put twists on the rules are unimportant, the important thing is that after all this time you finally have to acknowledge that characters using their versatility IS protected by forum rules(which you've repeatedly tried to deny up till now).



Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't hate the rules. You certainly do though.

And fine, Superman speedblitzes Surfer and kills him in the first attosecond of the fight. There you go with versatility.



Abhi, I'm the one who actually cites and debates according to the forum rules, you're the one who rails against them and outright refuses to follow them at times. You accusing ME of hating them is... well nonsensical is the most fitting word that springs to mind that doesn't involve bashing.

Also, before you go one of your quest to twist things... there's been specific instances of the mods dismissing the notion of Supes speedblitzing with lethal intent in the first second of battle, so it's silly for you to try to go there. If you think the rules extend that far, ask Pr.

Now since this convo has obviously run it's course, go ahead and do your little rant to get the last word in and you and I can let other folks get back to the topic at hand.

Luther Strode has some pretty fun feats of speed. IMO it's pretty pointless arguing the speed of heralds and above, it's all completely subjective and unquantifiable.

http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30525682_4658014-lutherfeatspeed4.png http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30525678_3234170-3755284781-db2f4.jpg http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t/30525686_4861588-lutherfeatspeed28.png

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey continue with your crusade against Surfer if you want, those without such an agenda can clearly see the validity of the feat...

Crusade? Oh you drama queen.

Yeah, like you aren't full of shit and agendas of your own. Now flight speed combined with surprise equals combat speed.










Exotic attacks generally means lightning and storms which he has used in past against Hulk. Not godblast and soul suck.

You are a complete buffoon at this point.





You think this is me being angry? You really haven't seen me being even annoyed.





Cry me a river. See if I care.





Haha, what? When did I say characters wouldn't use their versatility? I always said they would, just in character and what is shown in comics. So no weakness exploitation and speedblitzing right out of bat for Surfer and Superman as its not in character.

You are acting like I'm solely making Surfer the scapegoat for this.







Ha, like that's even close to being near truth.

But hey, you can always try to post Surfer using weakness exploitation.



But that's specifically stated in the rules. And who said anything about killing? Just beating to in an inch out of death suffices.





Obviously its the time for the usual running away routine. Until next time Darthrunner.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Crusade? Oh you drama queen.

Yeah, like you aren't full of shit and agendas of your own. Now flight speed combined with surprise equals combat speed.










Exotic attacks generally means lightning and storms which he has used in past against Hulk. Not godblast and soul suck.

You are a complete buffoon at this point.





You think this is me being angry? You really haven't seen me being even annoyed.





Cry me a river. See if I care.





Haha, what? When did I say characters wouldn't use their versatility? I always said they would, just in character and what is shown in comics. So no weakness exploitation and speedblitzing right out of bat for Surfer and Superman as its not in character.

You are acting like I'm solely making Surfer the scapegoat for this.







Ha, like that's even close to being near truth.

But hey, you can always try to post Surfer using weakness exploitation.



But that's specifically stated in the rules. And who said anything about killing? Just beating to in an inch out of death suffices.





Obviously its the time for the usual running away routine. Until next time Darthrunner.

See now you're just outright spreading misinformation... Alright, I guess I'll just address those specifics and leave the rest alone.

First off, you've absolutely tried to act as though characters using their versatility wasn't protected by forum rules. You even went so far as to say that Super Speed was the only power that was covered by them...

Originally posted by abhilegend
I said it only applies to the speed as it has been specifically mentioned. Its not my place to modify it.




Second, ask Pr if Supes pulling max speed blitzes right out of the gate, he's spoken on the matter plenty after all. Yes Supes will use his speed in a fight, but lightspeed blitzing doesn't really qualify. In fact, the other example in the CIS clarification was about Supes NOT using his speed right out of the gate. Look at it again if you need to.




Third...

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's specifically stated in the rules. And who said any thing about killing? Just beating to in an inch out of death suffices.


... YOU literally JUST said that...

Originally posted by abhilegend
And fine, Superman speedblitzes Surfer and kills him in the first attosecond of the fight. There you go with versatility.

Originally posted by darthgoober
See now you're just outright spreading misinformation... Alright, I guess I'll just address those specifics and leave the rest alone.


Misinformation?

crylaugh




If you were not so buffoonish, I'd laugh at you. But instead I just pity at your reading comprehension.



It's not that Thor would go all exotic on Hulk because he just does in all matches. It specifically says that due to his experience he would do sooner to Hulk. Not that he would go right out with godblast.

It's due to experience. Not that versatility is protected by rules. It specifically shits on your agenda as Superman is an unknown to Surfer, he wouldn't go exotic on Superman. Just as Superman wouldn't go all out on Surfer.

Aka, you just killed your whole argument.



Neither does weakness exploitation. Mind you, Superman has blitzed far more than Surfer has used weakness exploitation which is not that difficult as Surfer has never done that.



Someone teach this buffoon to learn about sarcasm.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Misinformation?

crylaugh




If you were not so buffoonish, I'd laugh at you. But instead I just pity at your reading comprehension.



It's not that Thor would go all exotic on Hulk because he just does in all matches. It specifically says that due to his experience he would do sooner to Hulk. Not that he would go right out with godblast.

It's due to experience. Not that versatility is protected by rules. It specifically shits on your agenda as Superman is an unknown to Surfer, he wouldn't go exotic on Superman. Just as Superman wouldn't go all out on Surfer.

Aka, you just killed your whole argument.



Neither does weakness exploitation. Mind you, Superman has blitzed far more than Surfer has used weakness exploitation which is not that difficult as Surfer has never done that.



Someone teach this buffoon to learn about sarcasm.
Again, I'm not debating against your nonsense here, I was just pointing out the obviously false things you previously said. The fine points of a Supes vs Surfer debate are totally out of place in this thread so there's no point in trying to start that whole thing up. I swear, you always try to fall back to that argument when it's in no way relevant to what's being discussed. Obsess much...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I'm not debating against your nonsense here, I was just pointing out the obviously false things you previously said. The fine points of a Supes vs Surfer debate are totally out of place in this thread so there's no point in trying to start that whole thing up. I swear, you always try to fall back to that argument when it's in no way relevant to what's being discussed. Obsess much...
Concession accepted.

Again.



Run along Darthrunner.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, I'm not debating against your nonsense here, I was just pointing out the obviously false things you previously said. The fine points of a Supes vs Surfer debate are totally out of place in this thread so there's no point in trying to start that whole thing up. I swear, you always try to fall back to that argument when it's in no way relevant to what's being discussed. Obsess much...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Concession accepted.

Again.



Run along Darthrunner. You have ran from me for years. You accepted a battlezone of Supermen to back out of it to ME. Deliciously hypocritical.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think people know what COMBAT means. Oh well. superman using his speed and multiple powers on imperilax is a scan you can google

Originally posted by mighty adam
superman using his speed and multiple powers on imperilax is a scan you can google

How fast are the Imperiex Probes. Answer this question (since a lot of people here just don't get it)...

Which one is more impressive?

Me blitz punching a 5 yrs old before he/she had the chance to react with 2 hits or...

Me blitz punching Jet Li with 2 punches before he had the chance to react?

Think about the difference here. Batman blitzing some street thugs is nice but him blitzing someone like Deathstroke is far better. This is what I am looking for. Someone blitzing characters who have super speed.

Superman blitzing an Imperiex Probe, niiiiicccce but the probes speed, it doesn't make the showing impressive at all, especially given the fact that Spiderman could probably do the same thing.

Originally posted by carver9
How fast are the Imperiex Probes. Answer this question (since a lot of people here just don't get it)...

Which one is more impressive?

Me blitz punching a 5 yrs old before he/she had the chance to react with 2 hits or...

Me blitz punching Jet Li with 2 punches before he had the chance to react?

Think about the difference here. Batman blitzing some street thugs is nice but him blitzing someone like Deathstroke is far better. This is what I am looking for. Someone blitzing characters who have super speed.

Superman blitzing an Imperiex Probe, niiiiicccce but the probes speed, it doesn't make the showing impressive at all, especially given the fact that Spiderman could probably do the same thing.

You just love to lowball anything not manga, especially dbz right?

Originally posted by SquallX
You just love to lowball anything not manga, especially dbz right?

Why do you assume he is lowballing ?

Originally posted by carver9
How fast are the Imperiex Probes. Answer this question (since a lot of people here just don't get it)...

Which one is more impressive?

Me blitz punching a 5 yrs old before he/she had the chance to react with 2 hits or...

Me blitz punching Jet Li with 2 punches before he had the chance to react?

Think about the difference here. Batman blitzing some street thugs is nice but him blitzing someone like Deathstroke is far better. This is what I am looking for. Someone blitzing characters who have super speed.

Superman blitzing an Imperiex Probe, niiiiicccce but the probes speed, it doesn't make the showing impressive at all, especially given the fact that Spiderman could probably do the same thing.
Flash couldn't blitz an Imperiex probe but Spider-Man certainly can.



Anyway, as you are your usual charming self, here is the comprehensive respect thread. Knock yourself out.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t601613.html

But when I give examples of Batman blitzing people (Cheetah, for example), carver starts nit picking.

I showed Catwoman dodging bullets, even seeing bullets in flight, and Batman disappears in front of her eyes....and he nit picks.

Batman moving so fast he clears an entire building before Jay Garrick can catch him...and he nitpicks.

He makes me so sad.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash couldn't blitz an Imperiex probe but Spider-Man certainly can.



Anyway, as you are your usual charming self, here is the comprehensive respect thread. Knock yourself out.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t601613.html

The Imperiex probes have no combat skills and the agility of a neurasthenic elephant.

What stops Spider-man for blitzing one exactly ?

They tagged Flash, and Superman was fighting one at superspeed iirc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They tagged Flash, and Superman was fighting one at superspeed iirc.

Tagging something moving fast isn't a proof of being fast.

http://i.imgur.com/TttXEio.jpg

Flash tend to make hit and run tactics to maximize the use of his speed which he can build only by moving.

If Flash stay grounded in hand-to-hand he "loses speed" meaning he doesn't run to build speed.

He doesn't only do it by running...as seen with my scan of hin hitting with the mass of a white dwarf star.

Not to mention, he was charging pretty much straight at the probe, not running rings around it.

Plus, Supes was fighting one at speed in Africa.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He doesn't only do it by running...as seen with my scan of hin hitting with the mass of a white dwarf star.

I tend to see the whole scene as being in motion.

They accelerate with Zoom before he hit him "like a dwarf star" even if they "pause" for less than a picosecond.



Flash was charging straight at the probe ?

Do you have the scan ?




Wakka Wakka Hey Hey.

Nah, Spider-Man can fight Superman like this.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3793306-6356496895-probe.jpg

And the scan he posted of Lobo tagging Flash? It's from a dream.

can somebody tell me how fast supes and flash were going here?

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111130781/3890578-4837318602-tesbl.jpg


been wondering for the longest

@ghostman: Its 21 times the speed of light. Buenos Aires to Beijing is 19,255km, so dividing that by 0.003 seconds is 6.42e10^9 metres/second.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, Spider-Man can fight Superman like this.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/3793306-6356496895-probe.jpg

Trading 5 blows in two pages is impressive ?




http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/47/1479838026-000-001-10.jpg

This one is from a dream too ?




The context is exactly the same.

You don't need to be fast to intercept someone running.

You just need to put something in his path with the right timing so he can't avoid it.

There's also a weird feeling, making him slower, lol.

I don't doubt the point you're trying to make, but really, the examples you are using are a bit poor.

As for the Flash scan, will post when I can (unless someone beats me to it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There's also a weird feeling, making him slower, lol.

He is faster than the big guy.




Thanks.



Why ?

I thought that my explanation was concise and the examples given perfectly illustrated it.

When a character is running all over the place we aren't in the case of an hand-to-hand situation so it is more a question of size, speed and distance of the "item" to intercept.




Ok.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@ghostman: Its 21 times the speed of light. Buenos Aires to Beijing is 19,255km, so dividing that by 0.003 seconds is 6.42e10^9 metres/second.

dude thanks!

I'm looking for that scan of Nightwing tying Flash up while he was moving at Super speed.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm looking for that scan of Nightwing tying Flash up while he was moving at Super speed.

Why are you so nitpicky with some, but not others? Are there no low showings of Nova's speed? He has been tagged before.

You ask for combat showings, I give you Batman tagging Cheetah, you disregard it. Why? Because Batman is not that fast? But I have just shown you multiple instances of him being that fast!

Anyway, for Reality warper:



http://s4d2.turboimg.net/sp/678905270d41dc5c71bc13772a008d9b/JLAOWAW-vs-Imperiex04.jpg

Running straight at a probe, getting punched in the face.

Hulk blitzing those cowboys.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Running straight at a probe, getting punched in the face.

That's the kind of stuff I don't see as a speed feat. It's an interception and well, Flash is running at the probe.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's the kind of stuff I don't see as a speed feat. It's an interception and well, Flash is running at the probe.

But if a sniper shoots me in the face, it doesn't matter if I have all the advance warning in the world - I'm not intercepting that with my fist (or a bulletproof shield) without superfast reflexes.

Even if the bullet is coming straight at me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But if a sniper shoots me in the face, it doesn't matter if I have all the advance warning in the world - I'm not intercepting that with my fist (or a bulletproof shield) without superfast reflexes.

Even if the bullet is coming straight at me.

The ease at intercepting a projectile mostly depends on four factors:


The distance of the projectile.
The size of the projectile.
The speed of the projectile.
The trajectory of the projectile.


What do we know here ?

Uncle Flash is :

Far away from the probe.
Human-sized.
Run as fast as Green Lantern's own projectiles.
Run in a straight line directly to the Probe.



The factors 1,2 and 3 greatly facilitates Flash's interception for the following reasons:


The distance allows the Probe to spot him and anticipate his movements.
He is human-sized which means he is a big projectile which makes his interception easier.
His trajectory his extremely predictable and the Probe just needs to put her fist where Flash will be so he "impales" himself on the attack.



As we saw above, the third point is a common tactic against Flash and projectile in general because at the end of the day, Flash does the job for his enemies by crashing into them (like the big guy I posted, or Flash impaling himself into Deathstroke's sword, or the feat of the Probe that you posted).

That make senses to me considering that Flash doesn't stay in hand-to-hand confrontation but mostly uses hit & run tactics to optimize his speed, the IMP being Flash using his speed at the top of his hit & run tactics.

The sheer mental gymnastic alone is amusing.

Originally posted by abhilegend


The sheer mental gymnastic alone is amusing.

Do you mean that you need to do an effort to understand this ?