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Your team has to be street-low metahuman.


My team
Longshot
Domino
Shamrock
Black Cat
Mystique

The Foreigner

GG, Golem

Squirrel Girl
Slapstick
Deadpool
Howard The Duck
Doop

Doop should be way to high for this fight

Ragman.
Speed.
Hawkeye (Kate Bishop).
Green Arrow.
Daredevil.

Carrion
Spidercide
Kaine
Spider-man
Toxin

I would have figured my team being unbeatable because of the luck powers.

Originally posted by golem370
I would have figured my team being unbeatable because of the luck powers.

Doesn't Black Cat gives Bad Luck to everyone thus negating your own luck powers ?

Bad Luck to enemies in her line of sight

Originally posted by golem370
I would have figured my team being unbeatable because of the luck powers.

In a solo fight Longshot can take on high herald and trans characters. The argument could be made for Domino too, though not supported by feats. The thing is there's a down side to LS's luck. When he bends probability to make something extremely unlikely happen there is a counter probability that affects those near him. A very good friend of his was killed because he pushed his luck too far.

The way I see this so many luck based characters working together would actually counter each others good luck by the recoil effect. That much probability altering has to have a balance effect.

Shamrock had better luck feats

Originally posted by golem370
Your team has to be street-low metahuman.


My team
Longshot
Domino
Shamrock
Black Cat
Mystique
http://www.dynamite.com/previews/C72513018928800311/Shadow03CovSegovia.jpg


Solos

Originally posted by golem370
Doop should be way to high for this fight
What he does recreationally has never affected his work performance.

Galactus at low meta level.

Originally posted by golem370
Your team has to be street-low metahuman.


My team
Longshot
Domino
Shamrock
Black Cat
Mystique

Fantomex
Ambrose Chase
Deadpool
The Shadow
Spider Woman

Luck powers? Deadpool breaks the 4th wall. GG
Not to mention, they need to be activated. But if someone were to speedblitz them (say, with superior speed or time manip) then they are out.

Enter, Ambrose Chase.

Or misdirect, coupled with mind-clouding.

Plus pheromones.

Black Cat gives who she is looking at Bad Luck on top of everybody probability making it worse would be tough to counter I would think. Raven has defense against telepatic powers and Dominp against reality warping not to mention 4 out of 5 of these guys have fighting skills and some carry weapons.

She THINKS she's looking at my team....but she's actually looking at Domino, cancelling Dominos' powers out (damn that misdirect!)

Domino then gets bad luck, and shoots Longshot. Luckily, his powers activate, blowing Dominos guns up.

Ambrose stops time, and leisurely picks them off one by one

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fantomex
Ambrose Chase
Deadpool
The Shadow
Spider Woman


I like this team, Only I'd swap out Spider Woman for Judo master (so any attack the "luck team aims" misses) and Deadpool with the last pre 52 Crimson Avenger.

CA's guns never miss what she wants to hit and kill even immortal beings. This makes their probability of success an infinity to zero - i.e. no probability to bend.

Judo master standing center of the team makes any ranged attacks miss completely.

Fantomax means that any attack used against the team isn't even aimed at the right place (this would include bad luck/prbability bending

Shadow clouds their minds so the team don't even know to employ their luck until it's all over

Chase's reality manip >>>>> any probability manip and the ability to stop time means any thing overlooked by this team can be avoided by simply not being there.

Originally posted by beatboks
I like this team, Only I'd swap out Spider Woman for Judo master (so any attack the "luck team aims" misses) and Deadpool with the last pre 52 Crimson Avenger.

CA's guns never miss what she wants to hit and kill even immortal beings. This makes their probability of success an infinity to zero - i.e. no probability to bend.

Judo master standing center of the team makes any ranged attacks miss completely.

Fantomax means that any attack used against the team isn't even aimed at the right place (this would include bad luck/prbability bending

Shadow clouds their minds so the team don't even know to employ their luck until it's all over

Chase's reality manip >>>>> any probability manip and the ability to stop time means any thing overlooked by this team can be avoided by simply not being there.

Good swaps. I was thinking the same thing - Spiderwoman was there for her pheromones (which would draw some of the guys on Team Luck onto my side) and DP for his 4th wall 'ultimate attack' type tactics.

Originally posted by golem370
Your team has to be street-low metahuman.


My team
Longshot
Domino
Shamrock
Black Cat
Mystique

Multiple Man
fantomex
deathlok
karnak

is elixir still considered low meta?

Domino has defense against Reality Warping as for Spider-Woman Longshot also an ability to get women to fall in love with him.

Not at the speed Ambrose works at. He can casually deflect bullets after they're fired:

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/2538753-4.png

Or just solo:

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/2540355-1.png
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/2540356-2.png

And he has other long range attacks apart from his guns:

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/2540483-2.png
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103530/2540484-3.png

All this, whilst Fantomex is misdirecting, AND SpiderWoman is pheremoning, and DP is distracting with bullets/bombs/wisecracks, the Shadow is mentally attacking etc?

Ambrose seem more then just low meta level

I let karnak find your inherit weakness and deathlok can predict (I think) how a fight is won from the future through him being from the future.

fantomex makes longshot thinks hes back in t he mojoverse and he has to fight his teammates to get out.

multiple man to overwhelm the amount of probabilities to turn in their favor.

if elixir is allowed then he'll heal himself and the team as sees fit and go offensive if necessary

Originally posted by golem370
Ambrose seem more then just low meta level

Yah. But then, he died to a bullet lol.

I think I read somewhere that probability powers tend to error when they used around other probability powers are used.

Longshot's power does.

though thinking about it dominos power might trump fantomex's in this trial because she could just shoot randomly and still hit targets regardless of who she was trying to shoot in her mind.

Originally posted by staxamillion
though thinking about it dominos power might trump fantomex's in this trial because she could just shoot randomly and still hit targets regardless of who she was trying to shoot in her mind.

Unless she's not really shooting, but is in reality lying on the floor, bleeding out.

I didn't think misdirect could make you think you did something just how you felt or what you saw

The shadow
Hit man
Quantum
Woody
Vincent Van Goat

Reading Domino's bio said she was immune to House of M Proteus which sounds rather impressive.

but... idk im going back and forth if fantomex's misdirect makes domino see things then isn't her line of sight power kinda void too? she really couldn't see correctly for the luck based powers to work black cat too?

Quantum the marvel villain he would be mid-level meta at least.

Originally posted by staxamillion
I didn't think misdirect could make you think you did something just how you felt or what you saw

Here, A Shadow King-controlled Wolverine thinks he's leapt at Fantomex, and chopped both his arms off. Obv, he hasn't.

https://i.imgur.com/WFgZJBy.jpg

Here, Apocalypse's horsemen think they've been fighting Wolverine, and managed to kill him, when in reality he is loooong gone:

https://imgur.com/a/1QTEZ#0

Leech
Songbird
Gotham
Fantomex
Nemesis Kid

but did wolverine actually try to make the action? if so wouldn't domino still shoot?

Originally posted by staxamillion
but did wolverine actually try to make the action? if so wouldn't domino still shoot?

Depends at what point the illusion started. I mean, they had been fighting beforehand, and Psylocke had been taken out - or had she?

IOW, Fantomex can misdirect for quite a while. Think the longest was a couple of hours or half a day....and that's a lot of actions to fool.

all the things you said are true. im scratching my head because I guess im not altogether sure on Fantomex's powerset (he's BA btw). if domino takes any action that said action's probability will be altered.

maybe midnighter to counteract the goodluck by processing all the probabilities and being prepared?

His misdirection is dues ex...wayyy too overpowered

Wolverine or Dethklok would kill these guys.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
His misdirection is dues ex...wayyy too overpowered

Think those examples are OP, lol..

Here he is with Charles Xavier and Jean Grey..

https://imgur.com/a/Xs23T#0

1. Cassandra Cain

2. Judomaster (JSA misdirection field one)

3. Snake Eyes

4. Storm Shadow

5. Darkwing Duck

Luck based characters are difficult to discuss in vs matches due to the nature of their powers. For this thread, you can pick 4 meat shields + a hax character and reasonably expect a win though. Ambrose, Psylocke, Fantomex, etc. Just sprinkle one of 'em in your team, and things start looking up. For example,

Wolverine
X-23
Deadpool
Sabretooth
Psylocke
Originally posted by Mindset
Galactus at low meta level.
Or this. Probably the best answer tbh.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
His misdirection is dues ex...wayyy too overpowered
Well, it's moreso just hax. Granted, really good hax, but not necessarily OP. Hax characters punch outside their tier because they can bypass conventional fighting logic. There's people within his own tier he'd get mauled by though, like Wolverine.

It's just a matchup issue mostly. Like, Logan>Fantomex>Mr. X>Logan. Rock, paper, scissors.

What about
Nightcrawler/w Anti-Metal swords
Speed Demon
Spider-Man
Longshot
Deathlok

Originally posted by golem370
What about
Nightcrawler/w Anti-Metal swords
Speed Demon
Spider-Man
Longshot
Deathlok

Is that the new team, or are you saying this team beats the Luck team?

Just opinion on this team.

To do what?

Well on the toughness of this team? You have Speed, strength agility, reflexes, teleporter, skilled fighters, pre cog and quick thinking, & luck.

Mm its tough, quite heavy on the physicals I guess.

Leech
Songbird
Gotham
Fantomex
Nemesis Kid

With this team Leech just depowers Longshot, Domino, and Mystique. Then Shamrock, Black Cat, and the depowered muties can then be dealt with at range via sonic attack (since Sham and BC's powers don't have much range), or the adapting guys or by Fanto.

He would depower everybody on this field.

Only mutants, no?

Is Leech really considered only street level / low meta? He can casually nullify even Franklin's powers.

Originally posted by Magnon
Is Leech really considered only street level / low meta? He can casually nullify even Franklin's powers.

and be killed with a throat punch

Originally posted by StyleTime
Luck based characters are difficult to discuss in vs matches due to the nature of their powers. For this thread, you can pick 4 meat shields + a hax character and reasonably expect a win though. Ambrose, Psylocke, Fantomex, etc. Just sprinkle one of 'em in your team, and things start looking up. For example,

Wolverine
X-23
Deadpool
Sabretooth
Psylocke

Or this. Probably the best answer tbh.

There is no way Sabretooth and Psylocke are low meta.

Originally posted by Magnon
Is Leech really considered only street level / low meta? He can casually nullify even Franklin's powers.

While potent he is a one trick pony.

Originally posted by krisblaze
There is no way Sabretooth and Psylocke are low meta.
I was going by the tier thread but I mistakenly read Psylocke in low meta. Sabes is there though. Although, Jubilee is mid meta, so drugs may be involved with this list.

Meatshield + weird shit was the idea.