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So we know that the Dark Council consisted of the 12 most powerful Sith in the Empire at a given time. So my question is: If Kas'im had lived during the SWTOR era (and had kept all of his skills and abilities he possessed in Path of Destruction), would he have been on the Emperor's Dark Council?

Nope.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Nope.

His best TK feat is opening a door - he sucks.

Yes, hes strong enough

Well, Bane read really exaggerated texts regarding Ancient Sith yet considered Kas'Im when it comes to the blade to be better than them. Note that most likely would have included the idea that Ancient Sith>KOTOR era Jedi/Sith in terms of the blade.

Absolutely if chumps like Vowrawn can make it on the council.

Vowrawn was in the Sphere of Production and Logistics.

Where's the Sphere of Mediocre Lightsaber Skills?

Vitiate didn't feel a need for one after he mind****ed Malak

Obviously not the point.

Vitiate saw such potential in Malak that he immediately christened him a Darth and vanguard of the entire Sith invasion (alongside Revan).

With Kas'im, there's little indication he would even get through the basic Sith training on Korriban.

More importantly, there's no place for Kas'im on the Dark Council. His only skill is lightsaber combat, and even then it's, like I said, mediocre at best.

So, in many ways, Vowrawn was a far greater Sith than Kas'im could ever hope to be.

Off-topic question but Ant are there any sources that indicate TOR Sith Empire has equal if not more DS knowledge than the Golden age of the Sith? I assume so.

No

Originally posted by The Merchant
Off-topic question but Ant are there any sources that indicate TOR Sith Empire has equal if not more DS knowledge than the Golden age of the Sith? I assume so.
Eh, the only source that could possibly have that is the SWTORE, but I don't recall ever seeing a quote about that.

Wouldn't get through basic Sith training? Mediocre lightsaber lightsaber skill at best? That's completely ridiculous. Do you really think one of those random assholes who got blitzed by Zallow is Kas'im+? If so that's the worst Kas'im lowballing I've ever seen on here... and this is ****ing KMC... not even Carthage and Ellimist in their heydays have stooped so low.

You do have a point though, he, like Malgus, couldn't give enough of a shit about political squabbling to actually be ****ed with joining the Council, though he's certainly combatively viable enough.

Dark Council is highly subjective. He could be an Angral level perhaps or slightly lower.

Man. The way Emp just takes Ant's slaps is beautiful.

The point was combatively/power-wise would he be on the Dark Council. Political or philosophical stuff is being ignored.

I have finals to deal with, I don't need to be spammed with a bunch of ***** threads (such as "vote: Kas'im vs Malak (sabers only)" or "____ vs ____: failure to respond is an automatic concession of inferiority" in some random tirade on top of that.

Though Syn if you have such a problem with Ant's standing on the forum, try and bring him down yourself, don't try and goad me into trying to do your work for you.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
His best TK feat is opening a door - he sucks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, hes strong enough

That alone doesn't ensure ascendency to the council, though. I don't think he would have, but he could kill some of them.

Yeah he never had any interest in politics or vying for power, even though he could've slaughtered Qordis. He was just interested in dueling.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I have finals to deal with, I don't need to be spammed with a bunch of ***** threads (such as "vote: Kas'im vs Malak (sabers only)" or "____ vs ____: failure to respond is an automatic concession of inferiority" in some random tirade on top of that.

Though Syn if you have such a problem with Ant's standing on the forum, try and bring him down yourself, don't try and goad me into trying to do your work for you.

He ignores my direct challenges.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
He ignores my direct challenges.
So make:

Revan (DarthAnt66) vs Galen Marek (UCanShootMyNova)
Failure to respond is an automatic concession of inferiority for both the debater and their character.

I make myself laugh.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
So make:

Revan (DarthAnt66) vs Galen Marek (UCanShootMyNova)
Failure to respond is an automatic concession of inferiority for both the debater and their character.

DMB...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=635077&from=thread&pagenumber=2#post15978557

Lol, I almost doubt Bane would be, let alone Kas'im

Originally posted by Tondemonai
I almost doubt Bane would be https://media.tenor.co/images/f7126c8faf6e8a31e9c12d7ad2f7125c/raw

Kas'im loses to a trainee but someone asks if he would've been high ranking in an era of at least semi-competent force users, I should think the answer would be obvious.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Off-topic question but Ant are there any sources that indicate TOR Sith Empire has equal if not more DS knowledge than the Golden age of the Sith? I assume so.
You get that impression in TOR Encyclopedia. Not just that but Empire's Sith training standards were absolutely cutthroat.

Originally posted by carthage
Kas'im loses to a trainee but someone asks if he would've been high ranking in an era of at least semi-competent force users, I should think the answer would be obvious.
Semi-competent? This is true for Brotherhood of Darkness. The Empire, on the other hand, reached the pinnacle of Sith related development.

Yeah, Swtore makes it clear that the TOR Empire has spent a millenia refining itself militarily for the conflict with the Jedi and unearthing forgotten techniques.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, Swtore makes it clear that the TOR Empire has spent a millenia refining itself militarily for the conflict with the Jedi and unearthing forgotten techniques.

What kind of forgotten techniques?

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Lol, I almost doubt Bane would be, let alone Kas'im

Originally posted by nfactor1995
What kind of forgotten techniques?

Sorcery, rituals, esoteric abilities. For a millenia they were plundering tombs and excavating Sith ruins.

Source? As I recall they were all but driven out from Sith space and their repositories were ransacked/destroyed.

Talos? The Sphere of Ancient Knowledge?

There's an entire branch of their government dedicated to unearthing Sith secrets. They were searching on Dromund Kaas and any other Sith world they could. And since their return they've expanded that to the entire galaxy.

Meh, I'm aware of their interest but I'm talking about results, seems like there wasn't all that much to unearth at least prior to the war.

Dromund Kaas has plenty by itself. If you want, I could check for specifics in swtore when I get back home.

Not enough to make them better than the pre-Hypersace War Sith tbh, and I imagine many of these "forgotten techniques" were indeed forgotten as a result of said conflict.

Vitiate knew more than enough to make his standard Sith Lords comparable with the Golden Age ones. He and the Sith who escaped with him could have taken much of their knowledge with them.

And the forgotten techniques I was referring to were those held in tombs and such, which has nothing to do with the Hyperspace War.

Well, Sadow/Kun's knowledge died with them.

Also, the Sith couldn't even unlock Tulak Hord's holocron in the Ragnos Tomb until the Nox's trial, and then Zash pretty much kept it for herself.

Sadow and Kun's unique knowledge wouldn't be available to the Golden Age Sith in the first place. And the stuff they knew that were widespread would be widespread in Vitiates empire as well. I'm only talking about standard knowledge that the majority of Sith had access to. Not specialist stuff only the top Sith kept for themselves.

How much of Sadow's knowledge was unique to him alone, though?

Also, how do you know what the average Sith in the Golden Age knew?

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Lol, I almost doubt Bane would be, let alone Kas'im wtf lol

Originally posted by SunRazer
How much of Sadow's knowledge was unique to him alone, though?

Also, how do you know what the average Sith in the Golden Age knew?

How could I possibly know that. Does he display anything unique at any point?

I imagine there are sourcebooks or other stuff indicating that. Or ways to determine their worth holistically. In either case they seem far less militarily refined than TOR era Sith, and the latter displays widespread use of drain, cloak, telepathy, sorcery, illusions, dark healing and other irregular abilities. I'm unaware of anything suggesting the average Sith Pre-Hyperspace War made regular use of as versitile a range of abilities as the TOR Sith do or anything suggesting theres an obvious lack in knowledge in the era. Nor indeed, that there was a significant loss of knowledge at all. Everything points to the TOR Sith only refining their methods in preparation for the invasion of the Republic and improving over the past.

This thread is.....insulting, Yes, absolutely, a man who has mastered every move and sequence of every form won't make it passed being a trainee and is sub "The greatest warriors in teh empire!" whom zallow murked.

"After years of study, he'd mastered all seven forms of the lightsaber. Then he'd honed his skill for decades, perfecting every move and sequence until he had become the perfect weapon"

Source: Path of Destruction

Vitiate's Sith are also stated to have developed new powers. One can look at showings of the Dread Masters as evidence. Vitiate himself was most learned in the ways of the Dark Side.

Originally posted by nfactor1995
So we know that the Dark Council consisted of the 12 most powerful Sith in the Empire at a given time. So my question is: If Kas'im had lived during the SWTOR era (and had kept all of his skills and abilities he possessed in Path of Destruction), would he have been on the Emperor's Dark Council?

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Originally posted by Petrus
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Exactly what part of this do you have issues with?

So I checked out Swtore and its actually better than I thought. When the first Dark Council was formed the Sphere of Ancient Knowledge Councillor Darth Zavakon found that the Sith he assigned to search for ancient knowledge were just keeping shit for themselves, so he set up the reclamation service. With the purpose of distributing all found knowledge to the Empire as a whole. These guys were so good they found teachings of Tulak Hord and Ajunta Pall that had been lost for centuries. Right from the start of the Empire they made huge discoveries and distributed them across the Empire.

"Thanks to the efforts of the Imperial Reclamation Service, the Sith have unlocked incredible repositories of knowledge and power from the tombs of their forebears".