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This is DoS Superman, with the bloodlusted mindset he had against Doomsday:
http://i.imgur.com/VgfhFF0l.jpg


VS.


Onslaught saga Hulk, with his psychic governors removed:
http://i.imgur.com/N1vA8eUm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/31dHBirm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YDhFdm5m.jpg



-Fight takes place in Metropolis.
-No BFR.


Who wins?

Close fight. I will give it to Superman because of the speed and flight advantage, but Hulk could get some wins.

Honestly for me is too close to call.

This isn't close at all. Superman can not afford to get hit once in this fight.

Same version of Hulk was throwing punches so powerful that Reed himself thought the world was going to end. The shockwaves from said punches was pushing the hero's back...hell, it was sending some flying.

This version of Hulk also walked through an uppercut from Onslaught (a weaker version of Onslaught dropped Juggernaut in a single blow).

Hulk beats him down.

Hulk broke threw onslaught shell MADE ONSLAUGHT MORE POWERFUL AND HULK WAS K.OED. is it a feat for hulks punching power yes. Did hulk beat onslaught no. Dumb fcks only wanna read what they want and skip over the Important details.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Hulk broke threw onslaught shell MADE ONSLAUGHT MORE POWERFUL AND HULK WAS K.OED. is it a feat for hulks punching power yes. Did hulk beat onslaught no. Dumb fcks only wanna read what they want and skip over the Important details.

Who said anything about Hulk beating Onslaught? Are you slow or something. The hate in you is strong...it's preventing you from paying attention. I'm glad you brought that up. Hulk punch turned Onslaught body into dust. Onslaught before even receiving his power up from Franklin and Nate was easily trans tier.

Dos superman killed DD. DD also killed him too. Was superman superior no he lost his life too.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Dos superman killed DD. DD also killed him too. Was superman superior no he lost his life too.

I'm not understanding. What does this have to do with anything I said?

Originally posted by carver9
Who said anything about Hulk beating Onslaught? Are you slow or something. The hate in you is strong...it's preventing you from paying attention. I'm glad you brought that up. Hulk punch turned Onslaught body into dust. Onslaught before even receiving his power up from Franklin and Nate was easily trans tier. the stupid sh!t that comes out of your mouth you must be one of them kids who wore a helmet. Onslaught was not trans not even close. His best feat is ripping juggernauts gem out which is pis.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Hulk broke threw onslaught shell MADE ONSLAUGHT MORE POWERFUL AND HULK WAS K.OED. is it a feat for hulks punching power yes. Did hulk beat onslaught no. Dumb fcks only wanna read what they want and skip over the Important details.

Hmmm stalemate. Both were weak af

Originally posted by mighty adam
Hulk broke threw onslaught shell MADE ONSLAUGHT MORE POWERFUL AND HULK WAS K.OED. is it a feat for hulks punching power yes. Did hulk beat onslaught no. Dumb fcks only wanna read what they want and skip over the Important details. The irony

Originally posted by carver9


This isn't close at all. Superman can not afford to get hit once in this fight. Depends what you mean by 'afford'. A punch from this Hulk isn't going to take Supes down, if that's what you mean...

Are we just using original canon DOS? Are is the retcon of that fight allowed?

Original DOS can go either way. Where as Retcon DOS wins,

Originally posted by Galan007
Depends what you mean by 'afford'. A punch from this Hulk isn't going to take Supes down, if that's what you mean...

Hulk was unfettered though. Even reed couldnt comprehend that kind of power. Clark would b hard pressed

Hulk destroys him.

Originally posted by mighty adam
the stupid sh!t that comes out of your mouth you must be one of them kids who wore a helmet. Onslaught was not trans not even close. His best feat is ripping juggernauts gem out which is pis.

He one shot dropped Juggernaut and had earth on lock down. Lol, it takes more than what you are thinking he is to accomplish something like that. Also, no Herald is pinching Juggernaut chest open with ease. NONE.

Originally posted by Galan007
Depends what you mean by 'afford'. A punch from this Hulk isn't going to take Supes down, if that's what you mean...

What would Superman physical state be at if Hulk punched him anywhere close to what he did to Onslaught that broke his armor to pieces? We have to count everything in that arc, not just his fight against Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9


This isn't close at all. Superman can not afford to get hit once in this fight.

Lol and this Superman is the same Superman who took a super nova blast from starbreaker and was fine at the core of Almerac.

Also is the same Superman who made a billion ton worm fly with a punch.

Clearly you think Superman is probably luke cage strong compared to the Hulk, but hey, it's you after all.

Carver makes a profound point. I think there should be a ruling in regards to the juggernaut gem feat. Should that instance be used as a legit feat? Eye or nay

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol and this Superman is the same Superman who took a super nova blast from starbreaker and was fine at the core of Almerac.

Also is the same Superman who made a billion ton worm fly with a punch.

Clearly you think Superman is probably luke cage strong compared to the Hulk, but hey, it's you after all.

In that same arc? The Superman that fought Doomsday wasn't at that level and again, Hulk walked through a punch from Onslaught, the same Onslaught who treated Juggernaut like fodder (and pinched him breaking his chest open while at a weaker state).

No, he isn't Luke level...I consider him one of the most powerful Herald in comics but to the level of defeating this version of Hulk? Hell no.

No Herald is treating Juggernaut like this...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72848/1351785-onslaught_vs_cain.jpg

None. The Hulk that fought Onslaught would DESTROY this version of Onslaught in a single hit.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hulk was unfettered though. Even reed couldnt comprehend that kind of power. Clark would b hard pressed That certainly doesn't mean this Hulk is dropping this Superman with a single punch. That's all I'm saying.

I agree it'd be a good battle, though.

Originally posted by carver9
We have to count everything in that arc, not just his fight against Doomsday. Superman only became bloodlusted/out for the kill in the final issue of that arc. So no, any of his poorer showings from earlier in the arc really don't matter much, given that he was in his 'normal' mindset in the issues prior.

As I'm sure you know, there is a HUGE difference between a bloodlusted and standard Supes.

Originally posted by Galan007
That certainly doesn't mean this Hulk is dropping this Superman with a single punch. That's all I'm saying.

I agree it'd be a good battle, though.

Superman only became bloodlusted/out for the kill in the final issue of that arc. So no, any of his poorer showings from earlier in the arc really don't matter much, given that he was in his 'normal' mindset at the time.

As I'm sure you know, there is a HUGE difference between a bloodlusted and standard Supes.

Understood but powerful enough to stand there and trade blows with this version of Hulk. I highly doubt that. Especially if we consider just how powerful Onslaught was (everyone was pissing on themselves because of him even some of the main villains).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Carver makes a profound point. I think there should be a ruling in regards to the juggernaut gem feat. Should that instance be used as a legit feat? Eye or nay The gem has never been within Juggernaut... Before or after that feat occurred.

I'll let you be the judge.

Originally posted by carver9
Understood but powerful enough to stand there and trade blows with this version of Hulk. I highly doubt that. Especially if we consider just how powerful Onslaught was (everyone was pissing on themselves because of him even some of the main villains). Supes would be stupid if he just stood there and allowed Hulk to punch him, lol.

That's where his speed and ranged attacks come into play.

Originally posted by Galan007
The gem has never been within Juggernaut... Before or after that feat occurred.

I'll let you be the judge.

But it was there though, there is no taking that away. The story had the gem in him, Onslaught tore it out and even after Onslaught death, the gem being inside of Juggernaut still took play (Strange went inside the gem after that and saved Marko).

Originally posted by Galan007
Supes would be stupid if he just stood there and allowed Hulk to punch him, lol.

That's where his speed and ranged attacks come into play.

True. Which is the reason I said he can not afford to get hit. Range attacks would probably piss hulk off making him more powerful.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol and this Superman is the same Superman who took a super nova blast from starbreaker and was fine at the core of Almerac.

Also is the same Superman who made a billion ton worm fly with a punch.

Clearly you think Superman is probably luke cage strong compared to the Hulk, but hey, it's you after all.

Carver needs to pick up a comic.

Originally posted by Galan007
The gem has never been within Juggernaut... Before or after that feat occurred.

I'll let you be the judge.

Wait are suggesting the writers didnt know what they were writing about

Originally posted by carver9
In that same arc? The Superman that fought Doomsday wasn't at that level and again, Hulk walked through a punch from Onslaught, the same Onslaught who treated Juggernaut like fodder (and pinched him breaking his chest open while at a weaker state).

No, he isn't Luke level...I consider him one of the most powerful Herald in comics but to the level of defeating this version of Hulk? Hell no.

Same writer at least on the starbreakes counts and same version of super on the worm punch.

Superman who fought is at the same level as the one shown in the starbreaker/almerac saga. It is was published under the same writer who wrote DOS and only one or two issues before DOS. So yes the Superman was at that level.

And of course this Superman can defeat that Hulk, if defeated DOS DD of course it can defeat this Hulk.

Between this Hulk and DOS DD, I will give the edge to DOS DOomsday.

Not saying it will be easy but Superman has the edge in end, yes He will be hard pressed and this will be a good fight, but Superman will win more often than not, the same as DOS Doomsday will defeat this Hulk too.

Originally posted by carver9
True. Which is the reason I said he can not afford to get hit. Range attacks would probably piss hulk off making him more powerful.

This is the thing with Hulk fans, they always think that Hulk will get up angrier than before. As if Hulk can't be KOed.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Same writer at least on the starbreakes counts and same version of super on the worm punch.

Superman who fought is at the same level as the one shown in the starbreaker/almerac saga. It is was published under the same writer who wrote DOS and only one or two issues before DOS. So yes the Superman was at that level.

And of course this Superman can defeat that Hulk, if defeated DOS DD of course it can defeat this Hulk.

Between this Hulk and DOS DD, I will give the edge to DOS DOomsday.

Not saying it will be easy but Superman has the edge in end, yes He will be hard pressed and this will be a good fight, but Superman will win more often than not, the same as DOS Doomsday will defeat this Hulk too.

Wait a minute. You think punching a worm is more impressive than the shockwaves from Hulk punches sending hero's flying and pushing back beings like Thor, Namor and Thing and also having Reed think that it was the end.

It was also mentioned that Hulk punch warped reality (which is the reason him and Banner separated).

Originally posted by carver9
But it was there though, there is no taking that away. The story had the gem in him, Onslaught tore it out and even after Onslaught death, the gem being inside of Juggernaut still took play (Strange went inside the gem after that and saved Marko). I'm not saying it didn't happen, carv. I'm saying that it totally conflicts with Cain's established history -- both before and after. That's all.


Anywho, if you look at the entire scene in context, there was a clear psychic element to Onslaught and Cain's 'battle' -- it wasn't purely physical:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175847_17.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175848_18.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175850_19.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175851_20.jpg
*Also recall that Onslaught trapped Cain's essence/consciousness within the gem. Again, there was definitely a psychic element there... Which might help make a bit more sense of that scene.


For what it's worth, Onslaught did the same thing to Jean/Phoenix when he 'fought' her on the psychic/astral plane a few issues prior to the above:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175841_02.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175842_03.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175843_05.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175844_06.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175845_07.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175846_08.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. You think punching a worm is more impressive than the shockwaves from Hulk punches sending hero's flying and pushing back beings like Thor, Namor and Thing and also having Reed think that it was the end.

It was also mentioned that Hulk punch warped reality (which is the reason him and Banner separated).

Oh poor carver, when did I said it was more impressive?

I said he had that feat and seeing how much you value your secret wars hulk feat i think is worth to mention that DOS Supes previous to his power ups was pretty much capable of doing those kind of things you find so amazing.

Also while what you mention is nice I think Doomsday steamrolling the JLA with one hand tied behind his back is a much better feat.

Unless you don't.

And Superman went toe to toe with this guy

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wait are suggesting the writers didnt know what they were writing about

With Juggernaut, YES.

They didn't know the character at all. Even had Psyloboobs read his mind when he was wearing his helmet.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying it didn't happen, carv. I'm saying that it totally conflicts with Cain's entire history -- both before and after. That's all.


Anywho, if you look at the entire scene in context, there was a clear psychic element to Onslaught and Cain's 'battle' -- it wasn't purely physical:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175847_17.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175848_18.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175850_19.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175851_20.jpg
*Also recall that Onslaught trapped Cain's essence/consciousness within the gem. Again, there was definitely a psychic element there.


He did the same thing to Jean/Phoenix when he 'fought' her on the 6psychic/astral plane a few issues prior to the above:
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175841_02.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175842_03.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175843_05.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175844_06.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175845_07.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/31175846_08.jpg

I think psychic had a lot to do with it as well...but, he did snatch the gem clean out of him though. That part did happen. He also one punched him before this. He treated Juggernaut like fodder, twice.

He did fight Jean. He didnt punch a hole in her though. I don't think Superman, DOS Doomsday, Thor, or anyone worth mentioning is punching a hole clean through Juggernaut with the tip of their fingers. No matter how much they play with Juggernauts mind.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Oh poor carver, when did I said it was more impressive?

I said he had that feat and seeing how much you value your secret wars hulk feat i think is worth to mention that DOS Supes previous to his power ups was pretty much capable of doing those kind of things you find so amazing.

Also while what you mention is nice I think Doomsday steamrolling the JLA with one hand tied behind his back is a much better feat.

Unless you don't.

And Superman went toe to toe with this guy

Don't know why we are talking about secret wars Hulk. He get one punched killed by this version of Hulk as well.

Sigh...why are you bringing up Doomsday fighting a team? I never said him or Superman are weak. What I am saying though is that Superman would get killed by this version of Hulk. Also, are you implying Doomsday beating the JLA is better than pinching a hole in Juggernaut?

Unlocked Hulk wins...

Originally posted by carver9
I think psychic had a lot to do with it as well...but, he did snatch the gem clean out of him though. That part did happen. He also one punched him before this. He treated Juggernaut like fodder, twice.

He did fight Jean. He didnt punch a hole in her though. I don't think Superman, DOS Doomsday, Thor, or anyone worth mentioning is punching a hole clean through Juggernaut with the tip of their fingers. No matter how much they play with Juggernauts mind. Kay, but also remember that Onslaught actually wanted Hulk to destroy his shell -- he certainly didn't try to prevent it from happening. IOW, Hulk isn't duplicating all of Onslaught's feats... If that's what you're getting at.

Had Onslaught actually tried to prevent the destruction of his shell, I might be inclined to hop on board with you...

Originally posted by Galan007
This is DoS Superman, with the bloodlusted mindset he had against Doomsday:
http://i.imgur.com/VgfhFF0l.jpg



Originally posted by Galan007
Superman only became bloodlusted/out for the kill in the final issue of that arc. So no, any of his poorer showings from earlier in the arc really don't matter much, given that he was in his 'normal' mindset in the issues prior.

As I'm sure you know, there is a HUGE difference between a bloodlusted and standard Supes.

So do you mean Superman in the mindset where he killed Doomsday but fresh instead of waiting until he was injured and exhausted from the fight?

Originally posted by Galan007
Kay, but also remember that Onslaught actually wanted Hulk to destroy his shell -- he certainly didn't try to prevent it from happening.

IOW, Hulk isn't duplicating all of Onslaught's feats... If that's what you're getting at.

This was never implied, at all.

Naah, Hulk can't duplicate those fts but what I do know is that Hulk was more powerful than everyone on the field (and the planet). This was said and shown.

Originally posted by carver9
This was never implied, at all. Sure it was, bud. Existing as raw psionic energy was the final/ultimate form that Onslaught sought to achieve -- and he could only do so by shedding his physical armor/body *enter Hulk*:
http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/31175908_086.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/31175909_087.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Sure it was, bud. Existing as raw psionic energy was the final/ultimate form that Onslaught sought to achieve -- and he could only do so by shedding his physical armor/body *enter Hulk*:
http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/31175908_086.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t/31175909_087.jpg

He didn't even know Hulk would come at him like that. He was evolving before hulk entered the fray but it was interrupted which lead to Hulk attacking afterwards.

Hulk did assist in his evolution but that wasn't planned or hinted at Onslaught allowing him to do it.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why we are talking about secret wars Hulk. He get one punched killed by this version of Hulk as well.

Sigh...why are you bringing up Doomsday fighting a team? I never said him or Superman are weak. What I am saying though is that Superman would get killed by this version of Hulk. Also, are you implying Doomsday beating the JLA is better than pinching a hole in Juggernaut?

Why am I bringing DD steamrolling the JLA team? Are you serious?

Well like I said but you didn't understand "superman went toe to toe with a guy who steamrolled the JLA" that is why I mention it, because it doesn't help your case that Superman can defeat a guy who steamrolled the JLA with one hand tied behind his back, that is why.

And as it has been mentioned there was some psychic context on the feat your are presenting, weather you "think" is relevant or not that is a different topic, but yes it has something to do.

Now if you feel so confident I dare you to do a vs thread in whinch we put This Juggernaut that you are using for your argument with one hand tied behind his back steamrolling the DOS JLA team the same way DOS Doomsday did.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Why am I bringing DD steamrolling the JLA team? Are you serious?

Well like I said but you didn't understand "superman went toe to toe with a guy who steamrolled the JLA" that is why I mention it, because it doesn't help your case that Superman can defeat a guy who steamrolled the JLA with one hand tied behind his back, that is why.

And as it has been mentioned there was some psychic context on the feat your are presenting, weather you "think" is relevant or not that is a different topic, but yes it has something to do.

Now if you feel so confident I dare you to do a vs thread in whinch we put This Juggernaut that you are using for your argument with one hand tied behind his back steamrolling the DOS JLA team the same way DOS Doomsday did.

And Hulk fought against a being that had Earth on lock down.

Maxima also went toe to toe with this same being and was holding her own. She would get killed by this version of HULK as well.

Psychic had nothing to do with Onslaught pinching Juggernaut chest open. Also, before this, Onslaught one shit koed Juggernaut and Onslaught was weakened. Both Superman and Doomsday are powerful but neither is pinching a hole in Juggernaut, even if he was sleep and they sure as hell isn't one punching him.

I never said Juggernaut could beat anyone but what I am saying is Doomsday nor Superman is treating him like fodder and it's debatable if they could damage him, something that Onslaught did with the tip of his finger.

of course not, in your eyes Hulk ≥>>>>>>>>> anyone else.

Maxima will do fine vs Hulk if you think otherwise you clearly don't know anything about Maxima.

But glad we agree Juggernaut is not steamrolling a DOS JLA roster with one hand tied behind his back, so basically DOS DD >>>>>> Juggernaut.

Which makes my case stronger.

If you want we can put this Hulk trying to replicate what Doomsday did during the DOS saga, I'm sure He is not passing the full out blast by the JLA. Specially not with one hand behind his back.

There is a similar thread in which I put Thanos is the same situation as Dos DD and people thought I did it for pure spite, which it wasn't the case, it was just to show how powerful DOS Doomsday was.

Carter can't type.

Originally posted by carver9
And Hulk fought against a being that had Earth on lock down.

Maxima also went toe to toe with this same being and was holding her own. She would get killed by this version of HULK as well.

Psychic had nothing to do with Onslaught pinching Juggernaut chest open. Also, before this, Onslaught one shit koed Juggernaut and Onslaught was weakened. Both Superman and Doomsday are powerful but neither is pinching a hole in Juggernaut, even if he was sleep and they sure as hell isn't one punching him.

I never said Juggernaut could beat anyone but what I am saying is Doomsday nor Superman is treating him like fodder and it's debatable if they could damage him, something that Onslaught did with the tip of his finger.



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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
of course not, in your eyes Hulk ≥>>>>>>>>> anyone else.

Maxima will do fine vs Hulk if you think otherwise you clearly don't know anything about Maxima.

But glad we agree Juggernaut is not steamrolling a DOS JLA roster with one hand tied behind his back, so basically DOS DD >>>>>> Juggernaut.

Which makes my case stronger.

If you want we can put this Hulk trying to replicate what Doomsday did during the DOS saga, I'm sure He is not passing the full out blast by the JLA. Specially not with one hand behind his back.

There is a similar thread in which I put Thanos is the same situation as Dos DD and people thought I did it for pure spite, which it wasn't the case, it was just to show how powerful DOS Doomsday was. To be fair, Onslaught was handling himself really well against Earth's heroes and at least physically, Hulk beat him with one arm "tied behind his back". That punch was from the ground up with no leverage plus Onslaught was holding him down by the wrists yet that punch was enough to shatter his entire shell which previously took the combined effort of the Magneto clone Joseph, Cable, a visorless Cyclops' full blast, Invisible woman opening up the cracks with her power and then Thor flying through him just to rip a hole through his torso.

Onslaught's psionic form is irrelevant to this thread since nobody else will have that when their body is also shattered to pieces

'Unlocked' Hulk lol, what a name. Superman stomps this big green idiot.

Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. You think punching a worm is more impressive than the shockwaves from Hulk punches sending hero's flying and pushing back beings like Thor, Namor and Thing and also having Reed think that it was the end.

It was also mentioned that Hulk punch warped reality (which is the reason him and Banner separated). thor physically is not on superman lv thing is trash and so is namor. You probably think darkseid ripping the firestorm out of firestorm makes him trans and thats a better feat for darkseid then onslaught. Plus the augmente could be made hulk hits superman with everything he got like he did onslaught and gets k.oed like he did verses onslaught supes tanks it and beat him to death. I question your intelligence you probably think spiderman making hulk knock himself out is a feat for hulk huh? Look hulk so strong he has to knock himself out.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
To be fair, Onslaught was handling himself really well against Earth's heroes and at least physically, Hulk beat him with one arm "tied behind his back". That punch was from the ground up with no leverage plus Onslaught was holding him down by the wrists yet that punch was enough to shatter his entire shell which previously took the combined effort of the Magneto clone Joseph, Cable, a visorless Cyclops' full blast, Invisible woman opening up the cracks with her power and then Thor flying through him just to rip a hole through his torso.

Onslaught's psionic form is irrelevant to this thread since nobody else will have that when their body is also shattered to pieces


Fair enough, that is why I say it will be a hard fight.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
To be fair, Onslaught was handling himself really well against Earth's heroes and at least physically, Hulk beat him with one arm "tied behind his back". That punch was from the ground up with no leverage plus Onslaught was holding him down by the wrists yet that punch was enough to shatter his entire shell which previously took the combined effort of the Magneto clone Joseph, Cable, a visorless Cyclops' full blast, Invisible woman opening up the cracks with her power and then Thor flying through him just to rip a hole through his torso.

Onslaught's psionic form is irrelevant to this thread since nobody else will have that when their body is also shattered to pieces Onslaught wanted them to destroy his physical form. Yall acting like yall have convenient amnesia some of the must retarded sh!t i ever heard people say come from this forum.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Onslaught wanted them to destroy his physical form. Yall acting like yall have convenient amnesia some of the must retarded sh!t i ever heard people say come from this forum. Dude, do you have anger management or something or are you having a bad day? You are the only one who acts this way and throw out insults in the forum

Originally posted by mighty adam
Onslaught wanted them to destroy his physical form. Yall acting like yall have convenient amnesia some of the must retarded sh!t i ever heard people say come from this forum. I'll bite.

1 question: for someone who could create stars, why did he need help removing his own carapace armour?

Superman oneshots hulk.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I'll bite.

1 question: for someone who could create stars, why did he need help removing his own carapace armour? i never remember him creating stars scans? And yes onslaught wanted his armor removed it made him stronger. Why would he need help i have no clue best guess is to further the plot long. Its comics dude

Originally posted by psycho gundam
To be fair, Onslaught was handling himself really well against Earth's heroes and at least physically, Hulk beat him with one arm "tied behind his back". That punch was from the ground up with no leverage plus Onslaught was holding him down by the wrists yet that punch was enough to shatter his entire shell which previously took the combined effort of the Magneto clone Joseph, Cable, a visorless Cyclops' full blast, Invisible woman opening up the cracks with her power and then Thor flying through him just to rip a hole through his torso.

Onslaught's psionic form is irrelevant to this thread since nobody else will have that when their body is also shattered to pieces
And Doomsday outright laughed at Superman, J'onn, Guy, Booster and Fire combined and was knocked out only by a Guardian committing suicide in a weaker form.


He was also getting stronger by every moment and Superman still killed him when he went all out.

http://i.imgur.com/J3OqGpQt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/15qDZXFt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SFQsnW4t.jpg

That's far more impressive than breaking Onslaught's shell which was getting blasted through by Cyclops.

Superman would punch Hulk's lights out with such an attack.

Originally posted by mighty adam
thor physically is not on superman lv thing is trash and so is namor. You probably think darkseid ripping the firestorm out of firestorm makes him trans and thats a better feat for darkseid then onslaught. Plus the augmente could be made hulk hits superman with everything he got like he did onslaught and gets k.oed like he did verses onslaught supes tanks it and beat him to death. I question your intelligence you probably think spiderman making hulk knock himself out is a feat for hulk huh? Look hulk so strong he has to knock himself out.

You're not smart. Read my post again. Do you think the shockwaves from Superman and Doomsday punches can push class 100 beings back? Think about the question first and then answer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Doomsday outright laughed at Superman, J'onn, Guy, Booster and Fire combined and was knocked out only by a Guardian committing suicide in a weaker form.


He was also getting stronger by every moment and Superman still killed him when he went all out.

http://i.imgur.com/J3OqGpQt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/15qDZXFt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SFQsnW4t.jpg

That's far more impressive than breaking Onslaught's shell which was getting blasted through by Cyclops.

Superman would punch Hulk's lights out with such an attack.
Onslaught was in a lower evolution stage when that happened.

One punch and Onslaught took more damage than he ever took in the entire arc he was part of by an order of magnitude while at his most powerful physical state. Onslaught's body was gone due to physical force.

One punch

Originally posted by TheHulk
Dude, do you have anger management or something or are you having a bad day? You are the only one who acts this way and throw out insults in the forum i dont hate or dislike anyone over a comic character. I hate cavera style of debating. He would try to make a case of hulk beating people he has no shot at beating with out facts but bias Miss information. Im a black adam and green Lantern corps fan but fck

Originally posted by abhilegend
And Doomsday outright laughed at Superman, J'onn, Guy, Booster and Fire combined and was knocked out only by a Guardian committing suicide in a weaker form.


He was also getting stronger by every moment and Superman still killed him when he went all out.

http://i.imgur.com/J3OqGpQt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/15qDZXFt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SFQsnW4t.jpg

That's far more impressive than breaking Onslaught's shell which was getting blasted through by Cyclops.

Superman would punch Hulk's lights out with such an attack.

Every human stood in one spot and watched that entire fight. Hero's and villains was in fear of the end of the world and couldn't even stand during the Hulk and Onslaught battle.

Nice scans though.

Originally posted by carver9
You're not smart. Read my post again. Do you think the shockwaves from Superman and Doomsday punches can push class 100 beings back? Think about the question first and then answer. you are once again talking out your @ss thing is class 100 on his best day and namor is barely class 85 on land try again tard

Originally posted by mighty adam
i dont hate or dislike anyone over a comic character. I hate cavera style of debating. He would try to make a case of hulk beating people he has no shot at beating with out facts but bias Miss information. Im a black adam and green Lantern corps fan but fck

Who does Hulk have no rights beating?

Originally posted by mighty adam
you are once again talking out your @ss thing is class 100 on his best day and namor is barely class 85 on land try again tard

Ok, you're obviously not reading the question. You're dismissed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman oneshots hulk.

Fanboyism but hey you're the one sporting a Hulk sig. Identity crisis.

Originally posted by mighty adam
i never remember him creating stars scans? And yes onslaught wanted his armor removed it made him stronger. Why would he need help i have no clue best guess is to further the plot long. Its comics dude Maybe you shouldn't comment so vehemently if you don't know what you're commenting on, then?

Originally posted by carver9
Every human stood in one spot and watched that entire fight. Hero's and villains was in fear of the end of the world and couldn't even stand during the Hulk and Onslaught battle.

Nice scans though.

Look who's using collateral damage.

Typical Carver hypocrisy. Gonna remember this in the Superman vs Goku thread.

Hulk's not that strong. None of his opponents are all that impressive. Hulk doesn't fight naked. His pants still exist. Hulk is so overrated as is like all of Marvel.

(waits for carter's mental gymnastics)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Onslaught was in a lower evolution stage when that happened.

One punch and Onslaught took more damage than he ever took in the entire arc he was part of by an order of magnitude while at his most powerful physical state. Onslaught's body was gone due to physical force.

One punch
No, it happened just one issue before the final fight.

Uncanny X Men 337. Cyclops blasts a hole through Onslaught and Thor rescued Charles.

Onslaught was certainly not as durable as Doomsday.

Heck, a Guardian committing suicide ripped a hole in space time and all it did was ko a weaker version of Doomsday.
Originally posted by carver9
Every human stood in one spot and watched that entire fight. Hero's and villains was in fear of the end of the world and couldn't even stand during the Hulk and Onslaught battle.

Nice scans though.


Collateral damage, huh? The last time Doomsday was killed in a weaker version, it devastated one fifth of planet by just shockwaves and a Guardian committing suicide merely koed him.

Originally posted by carver9
Every human stood in one spot and watched that entire fight. Hero's and villains was in fear of the end of the world and couldn't even stand during the Hulk and Onslaught battle.



I honestly think any being below a High Skyfather that stands toe to toe with that version of the Hulk will be destroyed (I'd rate Onslaught as a Low to Mid Skyfather at the time of this fight)...


Btw, didnt a lesser version of Onslaught knock Juggs across several states!?

A lesser version of Onslaught did that to a Juggs that Thors Godblast could only stop from moving foward...

No Herald is duplicating what the lesser version of Onslaught did to Juggs...none...period.

The Lesser Onslaught=atleast Mid Trans.

The Greater Onslaught=Low to Mid Skyfather.


Unlocked Hulk was an absolute beast and Supes likes to slug it out...

Unlocked Hulk quickly shows DoS Superman that he's making a grave mistake and destroys him....

Unlocked Hulk wins 10/10...

Originally posted by cdtm
Look who's using collateral damage.

Typical Carver hypocrisy. Gonna remember this in the Superman vs Goku thread.


Carver always uses collateral damage when it helps his case, if it doesn't then he forgets about it

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


I honestly think any being below a High Skyfather that stands toe to toe with that version of the Hulk will be destroyed (I'd rate Onslaught as a Low to Mid Skyfather at the time of this fight)...


Btw, didnt a lesser version of Onslaught knock Juggs across several states!?

A lesser version of Onslaught did that to a Juggs that Thors Godblast could only stop from moving foward...

No Herald is duplicating what the lesser version of Onslaught did to Juggs...none...period.

The Lesser Onslaught=atleast Mid Trans.

The Greater Onslaught=Low to Mid Skyfather.


Unlocked Hulk was an absolute beast and Supes likes to slug it out...

Unlocked Hulk quickly shows DoS Superman that he's making a grave mistake and destroys him....

Unlocked Hulk wins 10/10...

Yes. Knocked him out. A far lesser powered Onslaught was treating Heralds like fodder. Doom and Apocalypse was on the battlefield watching Hulk and onslaught fight and was in fear the entire time. If Superman at his weakest can win against this version of Hulk, he has no business being in the Herald tier. He needs to be far above that imo. Especially given Onslaught placement in the scale of power (who Hulk shredded in a single hit).

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Carver always uses collateral damage when it helps his case, if it doesn't then he forgets about it

He also argues, "It didn't do anything" to dismiss like Superman breaking Soulfire Darkseid in half, because he just reformed after, but then when Nu-Superman ripped Nu-Doomsday in half, he dismisses it as "Doomsday ain't durable, Wonder Woman's sword cut him!!" even though it didn't actually bother Doomsday(even ignoring the sword's nature "just" might have played a role that he won't even acknowledge possible).

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Carver always uses collateral damage when it helps his case, if it doesn't then he forgets about it

I'm not arguing collateral damage though. I'm arguing Hulk destroying a being that had Abstract power inside of him. Punching him so hard he warped reality.

Originally posted by carver9
Who does Hulk have no rights beating? hulk lost to king thor, it was implied ghost Rider would have beat hulk. Wwhulk had to bfr juggernaut no hulk has ever beaten a 100% juggernaut in a fist fight. war hulk stopped him before you say something retarded like always thats not a win. Hulk should never beat ss, thanos, nova prime, etc and im just talking marvel. I could list 1000 characters under trans black adam should never win against or a NORMAL green Lantern. Im not a fanboy tard tho so maybe thats why i see things from a Reasonable perspective.

Originally posted by carver9
If Superman at his weakest can win against this version of Hulk, he has no business being in the Herald tier. He needs to be far above that imo. Especially given Onslaught placement in the scale of power (who Hulk shredded in a single hit).

Did carter just use Onslaught to argue how powerful Hulk was while using Hulk to argue how powerful Onslaught was?

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not arguing collateral damage though. I'm arguing Hulk destroying a being that had Abstract power inside of him. Punching him so hard he warped reality.

"I'm not arguing collateral damage. And here's how impressive that collateral damage was. "

If the hulk pants don't get destroyed, does that reduces the collateral damage of the Hulk's force?

Superman's clothes got destroyed, does that means Doomsday hits harder?

I guess in Carver's book it does

Hahahahaha "abstract power"

Originally posted by Delta1938
Did carter just use Onslaught to argue how powerful Hulk was while using Hulk to argue how powerful Onslaught was?

Did you see Rao use Doomsday to argue how powerful Superman is? Wait, let me guess...you don't care about that. Hulk stomps.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not arguing collateral damage though. I'm arguing Hulk destroying a being that had Abstract power inside of him. Punching him so hard he warped reality.

Oh wait, now hulk punches warp reality, it had nothing to do with onslaught being on the picture right?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Hahahahaha "abstract power"

Franklin.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
If the hulk pants don't get destroyed, does that reduces the collateral damage of the Hulk's force?

Superman's clothes got destroyed, does that means Doomsday hits harder?

I guess in Carver's book it does

No, because it hurts his argument. If it were the other way around, then yes, it'd be something he'd be arguing. While ignoring Superman's costume is protected by a personal force field.

Originally posted by carver9
Did you see Rao use Doomsday to argue how powerful Superman is? Wait, let me guess...you don't care about that. Hulk stomps.

I didn't reffer to Doomsdays colateral damage, I reffer to his vs feats you dum dum

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Oh wait, now hulk punches werp reality, it had nothing to do with onslaught being on the picture right?

So you admit Onslaught was dipping in Franklin power while fighting Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
Did you see Rao use Doomsday to argue how powerful Superman is? Wait, let me guess...you don't care about that. Hulk stomps.

Reading comprehension fail. Reread and come back. Unless you're just lying? If you're lying then no point in explaining as you'll continue to twist my words. Honest mistake? Well, I could dumb it down to a 5 year old level of reading comprehension and you'd still not understand.

Originally posted by carver9
So you admit Onslaught was dipping in Franklin power while fighting Hulk?

Not a Franklins potential but he was part of the equaition. He was there after all IIRC

Originally posted by Delta1938
Reading comprehension fail. Reread and come back. Unless you're just lying? If you're lying then no point in explaining as you'll continue to twist my words. Honest mistake? Well, I could dumb it down to a 5 year old level of reading comprehension and you'd still not understand. B

I can already tell this is going no where. Bye.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Reading comprehension fail. Reread and come back. Unless you're just lying? If you're lying then no point in explaining as you'll continue to twist my words. Honest mistake? Well, I could dumb it down to a 5 year old level of reading comprehension and you'd still not understand.

Carter always lies

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Not a Franklins potential but he was part of the equaition. He was there after all IIRC

Why do you think he wasn't using Franklin potential?

Anyhow this mental gymsnastics is all fun and everything but superman wins ins the end. Hard fight thought.

Carver thinks is a stomp because hulk is hulk

Originally posted by carver9
Why do you think he wasn't using Franklin potential?

Um.... Did you see him pulling a Franklin on the level of Franklin richards?


No?

Thank you

You do know that if he was using FR at full potential he could basically just wished the hulk out of existence, right?

Originally posted by carver9
B

I can already tell this is going no where. Bye.

It's not my fault you either lied and thought you wouldn't get caught, or really did completely fail to comprehend what I wrote. Maybe you'll understand this.

CARTER: "OH GOD I GOTTA BANG YOU!!! HULK SMASH ONSLAUGHT!!"

CARTER'S IMAGINARY FRIEND/SEX DOLL: "OK, why's that impressive?"

CARTER: "'Cuz IT'S ONSLAUGHT!!! OH GOD YESSSSSSS!!"

CARTER'S IMAGINARY FRIEND/SEX DOLL(now imagined as Hulk in a nightie riding him): "OK, how powerful is Onslaught?"

CARTER: "LOOK WHAT HE DID TO HULK!!!! OH GOD HERE IT CUUUUUUUUUUUMS!!!!"

CYUa1aR2qWY

And if we really want to debate lets look at the facts shall we. Doomsday beat darksied, beat the radiant a being with limitless energy. Fought and killed and was killed by superman. So dos superman fought and killed a stronger foe. unlocked hulk lol. Onslaught best feat is ripping out juggernauts gem and slapping around a bunch of weak earth heroes. Doomsday would kill onslaught, darkseid would too and radiant. So if we really wanna look at who beat the most impressive foe here.. its dos superman. LET ME REMIND YOU TARDS HULK NEVER BEAT ONSLAUGHT. HE DID WHAT ONSLAUGHT WANTED BROKE HIS ARMOR AND MADE HIM STRONGER. WHAT HAPPEN TO HULK AFTER THAT? HE WAS K.OED SPILT BETWEEN BANNER AND HULK AND FINISHED FOR THE REST OF THAT FIGHT. BUT AYE I BET CAV COUNTS THAT AS A WIN LOL

Before I even clicked on this thread I knew the BS carter would be throwing around. Abstract power oh and trying to use the gem stealing feat is nonsense.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Um.... Did you see him pulling a Franklin on the level of Franklin richards?


No?

Thank you

When he absorbed Franklin, what were you expecting him to do?

Also, when he absorbed Magneto and Charles, he showed that he was capable of using their full potential.

When he absorbed Franklin, he wanted to make sure that power was available, so he created a second sun and then created a Utopia. I'm trying to figure out what else you wanted him to do to prove that he had access to Franklin abilities. It's like saying Emp Joker did not have access to Mxy powers because he didn't do anything close to what Mxy is capable of doing.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You do know that if he was using FR at full potential he could basically just wished the hulk out of existence, right?

No, I don't think that.

Originally posted by mighty adam
And if we really want to debate lets look at the facts shall we. Doomsday beat darksied, beat the radiant a being with limitless energy. Fought and killed and was killed by superman. So dos superman fought and killed a stronger foe. unlocked hulk lol. Onslaught best feat is ripping out juggernauts gem and slapping around a bunch of weak earth heroes. Doomsday would kill onslaught, darkseid would too and radiant. So if we really wanna look at who beat the most impressive foe here.. its dos superman. LET ME REMIND YOU TARDS HULK NEVER BEAT ONSLAUGHT. HE DID WHAT ONSLAUGHT WANTED BROKE HIS ARMOR AND MADE HIM STRONGER. WHAT HAPPEN TO HULK AFTER THAT? HE WAS K.OED SPILT BETWEEN BANNER AND HULK AND FINISHED FOR THE REST OF THAT FIGHT. BUT AYE I BET CAV COUNTS THAT AS A WIN LOL

Now name all of the fts that Hulk has done and compare it to what you just said.

Originally posted by carver9
When he absorbed Franklin, what were you expecting him to do?

Also, when he absorbed Magneto and Charles, he showed that he was capable of using their full potential.

When he absorbed Franklin, he wanted to make sure that power was available, so he created a second sun and then created a Utopia. I'm trying to figure out what else you wanted him to do to prove that he had access to Franklin abilities. It's like saying Emp Joker did not have access to Mxy powers because he didn't do anything close to what Mxy is capable of doing.

Lol carter. Emp joker actually did destroy the universe and reconstructed it right away.

You want me to make an emp joker vs onslaught thread now?

You are really reaching for the stars buddy.

Dos Superman wins in a good fight because post power up superman will rape this hulk

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Onslaught was in a lower evolution stage when that happened.

One punch and Onslaught took more damage than he ever took in the entire arc he was part of by an order of magnitude while at his most powerful physical state. Onslaught's body was gone due to physical force.

One punch

Plus Cyclops, Joseph, Invisible Woman, and Thor...

http://m.imgur.com/a/Vs8UJ

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol carter. Emp joker actually did destroy the universe and reconstructed it right away.

You want me to make an emp joker vs onslaught thread now?

You are really reaching for the stars buddy.

Dos Superman wins in a good fight because post power up superman will rape this hulk

No non amped version of Superman is beating this version of Hulk. He would get killed in a single hit.

It was said on panel that Onslaught had full access to Franklin powers. Can't get any clearer than this.

Also said clearly on panel that he was finally free when his armour had been broken.

IOW, it was just what he had been waiting for.

Can't get any clearer than that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also said clearly on panel that he was finally free when his armour had been broken.

IOW, it was just what he had been waiting for.

Can't get any clearer than that.

-reads whole thread-

So thats what this 'unlocked' nonsense is.
Yeah, i can see Hulk winning here.
Not so much because of a supposed strength advantage (he always has that on Superman), but because DoS Superman fought badly. His main advantage against someone like DD (or in this case the Hulk) is his greater variety of powers, and he didnt use them to full advantage in that state.
Hulk though, was using his one power quite well.

Originally posted by riv6672
-reads whole thread-

So thats what this 'unlocked' nonsense is.
Yeah, i can see Hulk winning here.
Not so much because of a supposed strength advantage (he always has that on Superman), but because DoS Superman fought badly. His main advantage against someone like DD (or in this case the Hulk) is his greater variety of powers, and he didnt use them to full advantage in that state.
Hilk though, was using his one power quite well.

What did you think of the context?

http://m.imgur.com/a/Vs8UJ

Its been years since i read the story, but what you're saying is going hand in hand with the provided scans.
I mean, you really cant ask for more than that in backing up a stance.

Originally posted by riv6672
Its been years since i read the story, but what you're saying is going hand in hand with the provided scans.
I mean, you really cant ask for more than that in backing up a stance.

Stop encouraging him

Nah.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Stop encouraging him

I love you.

Originally posted by mighty adam
i dont hate or dislike anyone over a comic character. I hate cavera style of debating. He would try to make a case of hulk beating people he has no shot at beating with out facts but bias Miss information. Im a black adam and green Lantern corps fan but fck Who the hell is cavera?

In all seriousness, how do you not get used to it eventually? I mean it's not only Carver but users like Quan and Ahbi are out there too Get use to it mate

So according to some people this is a spite thread? The OP should be banned.

^^

As for the fight. No one oneshots anyone here. Close fight. Supes has a slight edge due to speed and flying.

Originally posted by carver9
It was said on panel that Onslaught had full access to Franklin powers. That certainly doesn't mean he was *using* Franklin's power to its full potential, lol... Unless Onslaught created a universe that I'm unaware of?

Creating a single star(which was very small, iirc) simply means that Onslaught was capable of tapping an insignificant micro-fraction of Franklin's full power. Nothing more.

Originally posted by Galan007
That certainly doesn't mean he was *using* Franklin's power to its full potential, lol... Unless Onslaught created a universe that I'm unaware of?

Creating a single star(which was very small, iirc) simply means that Onslaught was capable of tapping an insignificant micro-fraction of Franklin's full power. Nothing more.

He doesn't have to create a Universe for us to know he had access to that power. Especially if we consider that wasnt one of his goals to do during that saga.

He created a star because he wanted too, not because he wanted to show us that was his limit, lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
This is DoS Superman, with the bloodlusted mindset he had against Doomsday:
http://i.imgur.com/VgfhFF0l.jpg


VS.


Onslaught saga Hulk, with his psychic governors removed:
http://i.imgur.com/N1vA8eUm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/31dHBirm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YDhFdm5m.jpg



-Fight takes place in Metropolis.
-No BFR.


Who wins?

Superman, imo.

Doomsday is at least as durable as Onslaught and Superman beat him to death.

This feat is, imo, still one of the best high-herald relative feats in the bussiness:

Originally posted by Galan007
Doomsday tanks the cumulative energy attacks of Superman, Bloodwynd, Guy Gardner, Fire, and Booster Gold--and stomps them all collectively afterward:

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_energy1.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_energy2.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_energy3.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_energy4.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_dos_energy5.jpg

^Now that's a poster who knows his Doomsday.

Superman's heat vision alone during that era was capable of crippling Mongul .

Cockroaches.

Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't have to create a Universe for us to know he had access to that power. Especially if we consider that wasnt one of his goals to do during that saga.

He created a star because he wanted too, not because he wanted to show us that was his limit, lol. Yes, Onslaught displayed a minimal degree of access to Franklin's powers earlier in the arc, when he created a small sun(I just said as much)... But please show me when he used Franklin's abilities against Hulk during their battle -- because it just looked like they were throwing fisticuffs to me.

I am only pointing this out because you're acting like Onslaught was fighting against Hulk whilst using the full power of Franklin Richards... When he clearly was not using Frank's abilities at all, lol.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cockroaches.

Basically. That showing is nothing compared to what Hulk has endured...especially during his fight against Onslaught.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So do you mean Superman in the mindset where he killed Doomsday but fresh instead of waiting until he was injured and exhausted from the fight? Sorry, Delta... Just saw that I had missed your question.

DoS Superman is fresh here. He just starts off with the same bloodlusted mindset he developed during the final issue/battle of the arc -- once he realized that the only way to stop DD was to kill him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sorry, Delta... Just saw that I had missed your question.

DoS Superman is fresh here. He just starts off with the same bloodlusted mindset he developed during the final issue/battle of the arc -- once he realized that the only way to stop DD was to kill him.

Thanks. This seals it for me. Superman wins. Not a stomp, except what it does to Carter's hopes and dreams.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it happened just one issue before the final fight.

Uncanny X Men 337. Cyclops blasts a hole through Onslaught and Thor rescued Charles.

Onslaught was certainly not as durable as Doomsday.

Heck, a Guardian committing suicide ripped a hole in space time and all it did was ko a weaker version of Doomsday. Idunno, he seemed pretty happy that he was separated from Xavier

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_on_zpsvifkbzb7.jpg

Edit* That happened in 336 and that wasn't the final issue before the fight at the end. He didn't even have Nate yet

There is a huge, and mean huge power difference between the two of these guys. The punches that DOS Superman and Doomsday were throwing broke windows for miles, while the one punch that the Hulk hit Onslaught with eclipsed all of the punches that Superman and Doomsday threw throughout their entire death match. Hulk clearly had far greater striking power.

superman wins this for the same reasons superman always beats the hulk. /shrug

Originally posted by Stoic
There is a huge, and mean huge power difference between the two of these guys. The punches that DOS Superman and Doomsday were throwing broke windows for miles, while the one punch that the Hulk hit Onslaught with eclipsed all of the punches that Superman and Doomsday threw throughout their entire death match. Hulk clearly had far greater striking power.

So what was it Hulk's punch did that was so impressive? I assume you mean collateral damage since you brought up breaking windows for miles.

Originally posted by carver9
Now name all of the fts that Hulk has done and compare it to what you just said. hulks greatest feats are lifting sh!t and breaking things that are extremely hard or next to impossible to break. Hulk hasnt really beat anybody out right that i found crazy OMG moments. Hulk and sentry FOUGHT TO A DRAW. BANNER BEAT BOB THE MAN HULK DID NOT AND PROBABLY CAN NOT EVER BEAT SENTRY they both were taxed and reverted back to humans. Thats why i always give the edge to superman vs hulk or sentry or any brick. you can tax them them and force them to revert there is no taxing superman. Superman never can revert to anything, he dont have to work his way up to planet buster, he dont lose confidence and get weaker. Superman is and forever will be the epitome of physical power HE IS THE GOD OF BRICKS. Hulk beating zeus would have been a omg moment. Hulk beating thanos would be, or odin, or a universal threat. Is hulk a top tier yes ill never take that away from him. But you call hulk to hold planets together. Lift things that should never be lifted. You dont call a one trick poney to kill celestials or fiend off galactus. You call THOR IN MARVEL FOR THE REAL JOBS.

Originally posted by Stoic
There is a huge, and mean huge power difference between the two of these guys. The punches that DOS Superman and Doomsday were throwing broke windows for miles, while the one punch that the Hulk hit Onslaught with eclipsed all of the punches that Superman and Doomsday threw throughout their entire death match. Hulk clearly had far greater striking power.

I wouldn't say that

The force of their blows shattered windows from Metropolis to Gotham. Buildings and homes shifted on their foundations.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/FightBlowsDestruction.jpg

and Doomsday and Superman's final blows shook the planet to its core.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/ShakingPlanetCore.jpg

Originally posted by mighty adam
hulks greatest feats are lifting sh!t and breaking things that are extremely hard or next to impossible to break. Hulk hasnt really beat anybody out right that i found crazy OMG moments. Hulk and sentry FOUGHT TO A DRAW. BANNER BEAT BOB THE MAN HULK DID NOT AND PROBABLY CAN NOT EVER BEAT SENTRY they both were taxed and reverted back to humans. Thats why i always give the edge to superman vs hulk or sentry or any brick. you can tax them them and force them to revert there is no taxing superman. Superman never can revert to anything, he dont have to work his way up to planet buster, he dont lose confidence and get weaker. Superman is and forever will be the epitome of physical power HE IS THE GOD OF BRICKS. Hulk beating zeus would have been a omg moment. Hulk beating thanos would be, or odin, or a universal threat. Is hulk a top tier yes ill never take that away from him. But you call hulk to hold planets together. Lift things that should never be lifted. You dont call a one trick poney to kill celestials or fiend off galactus. You call THOR IN MARVEL FOR THE REAL JOBS.

What happened to u?

Originally posted by Sensui
I wouldn't say that

The force of their blows shattered windows from Metropolis to Gotham. Buildings and homes shifted on their foundations.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/FightBlowsDestruction.jpg

and Doomsday and Superman's final blows shook the planet to its core.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/ShakingPlanetCore.jpg

Which I should add happened when he was exhausted and injured from fighting Doomsday all that time. The topic is a fresh Superman in that mindset from the get-go, so.....

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What happened to u?

I went from reading his posts to skimming them, and I predict soon I'll just skip over them. He used to write better than this?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What happened to u? im sorry for using logic. Let me debate like the crew on here... SUPERMAN ONE SHOTS HULK BECAUSE SUPERMAN BEAT DOOMSDAY, darkseid etc. Superman cant lose period. He can beat thor, ss, ion kyle, superman prime, hotm hulk, monarch, insane genis. All at once why because he closed a triple blackhole, flew to the fourth world without a boomtube, punched threw reality, used all his powers in conjunction against Imperiax and live wait sorry no thats logic he won yes he beat him yea oh and...yea superman is sky father lv...ps i am now forever known as the antiCarverDC

Originally posted by mighty adam
im sorry for using logic. Let me debate like the crew on here... SUPERMAN ONE SHOTS HULK BECAUSE SUPERMAN BEAT DOOMSDAY, darkseid etc. Superman cant lose period. He can beat thor, ss, ion kyle, superman prime, hotm hulk, monarch, insane genis. All at once why because he closed a triple blackhole, flew to the fourth world without a boomtube, punched threw reality, used all his powers in conjunction against Imperiax and live wait sorry no thats logic he won yes he beat him yea oh and...yea superman is sky father lv...ps i am now forever known as the antiCarverDC

U didnt answer my question. U dont have to stoop to the level of perceived idiocy that permeates this forum. Carver for what it's worth is generally a courteous poster. If he incitesnu so....profoundly. Maybe u should place him on ignore instead of trolling. Outside of fanboys whom we all know too well noone shares you "superman stomps" sentiment. This tirade is beneath u. Man up chief

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U didnt answer my question. U dont have to stoop to the level of perceived idiocy that permeates this forum. Carver for what it's worth is generally a courteous poster. If he incitesnu so....profoundly. Maybe u should place him on ignore instead of trolling. Outside of fanboys whom we all know too well noone shares you "superman stomps" sentiment. This tirade is beneath u. Man up chief sometimes its funny just to say wat eva. Its comics we gotta have fun with it right. Ive seen some bad trolls reddit is alot worst ALOT WORST then this forums trust.

Be that as it may..this is not reddit. Try using a bit of decorum luv. We all share common interests which is the only reason this archaic site still exists

Originally posted by Stoic
There is a huge, and mean huge power difference between the two of these guys. The punches that DOS Superman and Doomsday were throwing broke windows for miles, while the one punch that the Hulk hit Onslaught with eclipsed all of the punches that Superman and Doomsday threw throughout their entire death match. Hulk clearly had far greater striking power.

FAR greater. Reed thought the world was going to end.

Originally posted by mighty adam
hulks greatest feats are lifting sh!t and breaking things that are extremely hard or next to impossible to break. Hulk hasnt really beat anybody out right that i found crazy OMG moments. Hulk and sentry FOUGHT TO A DRAW. BANNER BEAT BOB THE MAN HULK DID NOT AND PROBABLY CAN NOT EVER BEAT SENTRY they both were taxed and reverted back to humans. Thats why i always give the edge to superman vs hulk or sentry or any brick. you can tax them them and force them to revert there is no taxing superman. Superman never can revert to anything, he dont have to work his way up to planet buster, he dont lose confidence and get weaker. Superman is and forever will be the epitome of physical power HE IS THE GOD OF BRICKS. Hulk beating zeus would have been a omg moment. Hulk beating thanos would be, or odin, or a universal threat. Is hulk a top tier yes ill never take that away from him. But you call hulk to hold planets together. Lift things that should never be lifted. You dont call a one trick poney to kill celestials or fiend off galactus. You call THOR IN MARVEL FOR THE REAL JOBS.

Hulk beat a being that was 4 times as strong as Thor. You don't consider that a beastly ft?

Originally posted by carver9
FAR greater. Reed thought the world was going to end.

Where was this stated? Even so character statements like this are generally hypebolic.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Be that as it may..this is not reddit. Try using a bit of decorum luv. We all share common interests which is the only reason this archaic site still exists i agree. Reddit is mostly gamers tho

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus Cyclops, Joseph, Invisible Woman, and Thor...

http://m.imgur.com/a/Vs8UJ Already referenced Originally posted by psycho gundam
To be fair, Onslaught was handling himself really well against Earth's heroes and at least physically, Hulk beat him with one arm "tied behind his back". That punch was from the ground up with no leverage plus Onslaught was holding him down by the wrists yet that punch was enough to shatter his entire shell which previously took the combined effort of the Magneto clone Joseph, Cable, a visorless Cyclops' full blast, Invisible woman opening up the cracks with her power and then Thor flying through him just to rip a hole through his torso.

Onslaught's psionic form is irrelevant to this thread since nobody else will have that when their body is also shattered to pieces The final issue of the arc happened a whole month after the comic those panels are from. It wasn't connected nor was Onslaught damaged prior to his fight with Hulk.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Where was this stated? Even so character statements like this are generally hypebolic.

Well, me posting that would be pointless then. How about I post narration then.

Hulk power had everyone on the battlefield in fear save Onslaught.

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271893/5333121-8266908460-Hulk_.jpg

Hulk would break this Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
Well, me posting that would be pointless then. How about I post narration then.

Hulk power had everyone on the battlefield in fear save Onslaught.

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271893/5333121-8266908460-Hulk_.jpg

Carver i get what you're saying but you dont consider that kinda i mean in the least bit hyperbole? Reed has faced Doom, Beyonders, Galactus...i mean i get it. Writers Have to drum up suspense but that statement can really be taking with a grain of salt. And I'm not trying to downplay hulks prowess...im just saying. That shouldnt be the angle u use

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk would break this Superman.

I like u

Originally posted by carver9
Well, me posting that would be pointless then. How about I post narration then.

Hulk power had everyone on the battlefield in fear save Onslaught.

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271893/5333121-8266908460-Hulk_.jpg

This is what you're lubing up to?

Originally posted by riv6672
-reads whole thread-

So thats what this 'unlocked' nonsense is.
Yeah, i can see Hulk winning here.
Not so much because of a supposed strength advantage (he always has that on Superman), but because DoS Superman fought badly. His main advantage against someone like DD (or in this case the Hulk) is his greater variety of powers, and he didnt use them to full advantage in that state.
Hulk though, was using his one power quite well.

SHUT YOUR HERETIC MOUTH, FOOL!!!!

There is some truth in that cause Hulk was only taken out by a local reality warp. Unless you think Doomsday's replicating that separation bit, he's not going down plus Banner's not going to curtail him from within. Last time he was Separated from Banner he burned through all the Avengers (east/wet), heroes for hire, FF, etc while weakening since he was dying, this time Banner isn't separated physically.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
There is some truth in that cause Hulk was only taken out by a local reality warp. Unless you think Doomsday's replicating that separation bit, he's not going down plus Banner's not going to curtail him from within. Last time he was Separated from Banner he burned through all the Avengers (east/wet), heroes for hire, FF, etc while weakening since he was dying, this time Banner isn't separated physically.
All of them were holding back and fought him one on one. Samson alone fought the same hulk for six hours and didn't lose.

Also the same Hulk who fought Onslaught was present in Hulk comics throughout Heroes Reborn albeit even stronger and didn't look so hot. Heck, he was knocked out by a fall from cloud level at one point.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229359_Hulk450_16a.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229396_Hulk450_16b.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229404_Hulk450_18a.jpg

And before you say it, it was before he was getting more and more power from heroes reborn universe which weakened his durability.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229418_Hulk450_24b.jpg

Yeah, Hulk buries this Superman. Doomsday wasn't that spectacular as per the writer and was against a really weak Jla.

Originally posted by abhilegend
All of them were holding back and fought him one on one. Samson alone fought the same hulk for six hours and didn't lose.

Also the same Hulk who fought Onslaught was present in Hulk comics throughout Heroes Reborn albeit even stronger and didn't look so hot. Heck, he was knocked out by a fall from cloud level at one point.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229359_Hulk450_16a.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229396_Hulk450_16b.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229404_Hulk450_18a.jpg

And before you say it, it was before he was getting more and more power from heroes reborn universe which weakened his durability.

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/31229418_Hulk450_24b.jpg You're actually wrong about him being weakened after by the energies. In the same comic he was weakened before the scans you put up

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_j1_zpsxkugyjt5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_j2_zpsdwonesra.jpg

And then the fight with the Thunderbolts that was referenced was in the issue before the one you have scans for

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_th1_zpsztjmuzxb.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_th2_zpstypyxrsh.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_th3_zpsw5la0dls.jpg

He was a glass cannon post Onslaught