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That's right motherphuckers, after reading the posts in a certain thread made by everyone's favorite hulk lover, I've decided to make this thread while it's still a hot topic. Vote for who you think should be moved to a more appropriate tier and feel free to add a few characters to lpthe list if you want to see them.

Tier 4 - Trans. Tier (Sub-Skyfather)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Tier 3 - Herald

High
Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, Dr. Strange (classic), Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Quasar, Qztr, Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Swamp Thing, Talisman, Thor, Zoom II (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Adam Warlock, Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Bizarro Superman, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Circe, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hulk, Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Juggernaut (Classic), Kid Omega, Kurse, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Metamorpho, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Solomon Grundy, Supergirl, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Void (Wildstorm, no Creation Engine power), Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Aquaman (DCNU), Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Doomsday (DOS), Doctor Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Enchantress, Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Forerunner, Gammid, Gilgamesh, Gold Key Solar, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Invincible, Iron Man, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Kalibak, Kang, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nimrod, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Power Girl, Prime, Professor X, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Snowbird, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Superboy, Tempest, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Tier 2 - Meta

High
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Crystal, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Gamora, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Karate Kid, Living Laser, Machine Man, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nico Minoru, Nightshade, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Spiral, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Adam Strange, Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blob, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Cyborg, Cyclops, Darkhawk, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Gorgon, Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, Jubilee, Karolina Dean, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, Rom, Sebastian Shaw, Shadowcat, Shift, Speedball, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Venom, Victor Mancha, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Wonder Girl, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deadpool, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Vermin, Vulture, Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar, X-23

Tier 1 - Street

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Taskmaster, Union Jack, Nightwing, Red Hood

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Black Cat, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

the flash to high herald. wally west

Originally posted by ghostman
the flash to high herald. wally west sounds good to me, he certainly has the feats for it.

I wonder if this can be made official.

Would love to know where some of the Star wars characters fit.

Originally posted by carthage
Would love to know where some of the Star wars characters fit. which ones? Overall, some of the most powerful star wars characters would top out at the low herald range (since they're so squishy in comparison to most comic book characters).

Vader, Luke, Valkorion Palpatine, Revan, i,e the ones with powerful force feats, not so much the less renowned ones

Even with abilities like flow walking or high end battle meditation I would think mid herald is the ceiling for Star wars given that most of them are "squishy" aka physically inferior.

Originally posted by carthage
Vader, Luke, Valkorion Palpatine, Revan, i,e the ones with powerful force feats, not so much the less renowned ones Luke (I'm assuming that you're talking about the Jedi Grandmaster version) is probably a low herald (if he goes into oness with the force, probably mid herald), Vader is a solid mid meta (some of his higher end feats put him just beneath high meta), revan/dooku/maul/exact kun are all mid to high meta and palpatine is low herald.

Yeah none of them are going beyond mid herald

Originally posted by deathslash
Luke (I'm assuming that you're talking about the Jedi Grandmaster version) is probably a low herald (if he goes into oness with the force, probably mid herald), Vader is a solid mid meta (some of his higher end feats put him just beneath high meta), revan/dooku/maul/exact kun are all mid to high meta and palpatine is low herald.

I would think Vader would be around High meta, personally. With feats like withstanding the explosion of one of the Largest military bases in the Empire (With force barrier), commanding a massive ship to fly into a star with telepathy, and his renowned telekinesis its hard to see him losing to some of the likes of Storm, Psylocke, Havok, or Colossus.

I would rank the following chars a bit higher, some low Skyfather, some mid and maybe even high.

Black Racer, Doomsday (H/P), Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down)

Trans imo.
Infinity-Man, Imperiex Probes

High Herald imo
Beta Ray Bill, Black Adam, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), Gladiator, Hulk, Hyperion, Kurse, Lobo, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Wonder Woman, Doomsday (DOS)

Mid Herald imo.
Doctor Doom, Gilgamesh, He-Man, Hercules (Immortal), Thor (Ultimate),

Cassie Nova to Mid (if Prof X is a Low, and she punked him...)
DoS Doomsday - Mid
Doom - Mid

Agreed on the probes, and agreed on the Flashes.

WW to High
Vulcan to Mid.

How about the 'newer' characters? Fantomex, Forget Me Not, Aquarian?

Originally posted by carthage
I would think Vader would be around High meta, personally. With feats like withstanding the explosion of one of the Largest military bases in the Empire (With force barrier), commanding a massive ship to fly into a star with telepathy, and his renowned telekinesis its hard to see him losing to some of the likes of Storm, Psylocke, Havok, or Colossus. those are some of his higher end feats though. I think I'm actually being pretty generous in saying that he's mid meta because some of those other mid meta characters (ghost Rider, shadow cat, electro, blink, Cyclops, etc) would stomp him. Also, havok has just as much energy output as Cyclops and he could likely take Vader.

Also, I vote for black panther, captain America, and to move up to low meta, for Blue marvel to be put in at high herald, for ninjak to be put in at low meta, and for Spawn to be included as a high herald.

Originally posted by ghostman
the flash to high herald. wally west

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cassie Nova to Mid (if Prof X is a Low, and she punked him...)
DoS Doomsday - Mid
Doom - Mid

Agreed on the probes, and agreed on the Flashes.

WW to High
Vulcan to Mid.

How about the 'newer' characters? Fantomex, Forget Me Not, Aquarian?

Fanto to Mid Meta.

Oh yeah, when you guys suggest that a DC character moves up or down a weight class, please do me a favor and tell me whether you're talking about their new 52 version or post-crisis version.

manchester black to mid? what yall think

Originally posted by ghostman
manchester black to mid? what yall think

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Carter to banlist.

This thread to garbage bin.

Cap for low meta, Elektra as well.

Absorbing Man to high herald

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Absorbing Man to high herald

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Originally posted by Sin I AM
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You don't have the AUTHORITY to question.....

THE KING OF CANON!!!!!

His powerset? Sure. He's an idiot, though. And we have to take that into account.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His powerset? Sure. He's an idiot, though. And we have to take that into account.

With his powerset he could be trans (see earth x) but like u said he's a idiot. So mid herald or low

Hulk high Herald (could increase depending on mindset)
New 52 Superman High Herald
New 52 Black Adam mid Herald
Pre Black Adam high Herald
New 52 Billy low to Mid Herald
Pre Billy High Herald
Frankenstein Mid Herald
New 52 Aquaman low Herald
Diana both are High Herald
Uncuffed Diana trans tier
First Born trans tier
DCNU Orion High herald
Jane High Herald
KMC Flash trans tier
Beta Ray High Herald
Current Nova mid Herald
Blue Marvel High Herald
Death seed Sentry trans tier
Cyborg high meta
DCNU Martian Manhunter high Herald
Morlun mid Herald

An updated list has been attempted many times before, and never successfully, but good luck to you

I'm just going to point out a couple that I think are 2+ tiers off

DOS Doomsday from low herald (wtf?) to high herald

General/Shaggy Man from mid herald to trans

Imperiex Probes from mid herald to at least high herald (regular Superman, who was HH, was ineffective until he went balls out)

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk high Herald (could increase depending on mindset)
New 52 Superman High Herald
New 52 Black Adam mid Herald
Pre Black Adam high Herald
New 52 Billy low to Mid Herald
Pre Billy High Herald
Frankenstein Mid Herald
New 52 Aquaman low Herald
Diana both are High Herald
Uncuffed Diana trans tier
First Born trans tier
DCNU Orion High herald
Jane High Herald
KMC Flash trans tier
Beta Ray High Herald
Current Nova mid Herald
Blue Marvel High Herald
Death seed Sentry trans tier
Cyborg high meta
DCNU Martian Manhunter high Herald
Morlun mid Herald I actually agree with most of this.

Also, where would you guys put Spawn, Savage Dragon, Darkness, the Shadow, and Green Hornet?

Originally posted by carver9
Uncuffed Diana trans tier
DCNU Orion High herald
Blue Marvel High Herald
DCNU Martian Manhunter high Herald
Morlun mid Herald

Curious about these. I'm not convinced bracer-less Diana is Trans at all. Orion was easily Trans in the GL Godhead run, but no better than Mid-herald in WW. What feats does BM have to truly justify HH? Ditto DCnU MM, aside from the one page of him taking on the JL. What does Morlun have to justify Mid-herald aside from the one net feat (genuine question)?

Here's a question for people - what do you think about the mid herald tier? I actually kind of like it for those who are really powerful, but not the top dogs. I think HH should be reserved for the best (Superman, Surfer, Thor, etc) and Mid-herald should be everyone who's good but second best (WW, BRB, Gladiator, etc).

Originally posted by krisblaze
Carter to banlist.

This thread to garbage bin.
Why so glum chum?

Carver inspired a good thing here.

Originally posted by Cogito
Here's a question for people - what do you think about the mid herald tier? I actually kind of like it for those who are really powerful, but not the top dogs. I think HH should be reserved for the best (Superman, Surfer, Thor, etc) and Mid-herald should be everyone who's good but second best (WW, BRB, Gladiator, etc).

That's how I kind of always viewed it, tbh, so I agree with your thoughts.

Red Hulk, Jane Thor, Desak, Perrikus, Maxima, Skarr, Thor Girl???

Mid herald used to be the guys that generally compete with Superman, Surfer, Thor, but lack their absurd highs.

and I vote to return to that condition, and stop calling everyone a high herald and pretending mid doesn't exist at all.

Originally posted by Cogito
Curious about these. I'm not convinced bracer-less Diana is Trans at all. Orion was easily Trans in the GL Godhead run, but no better than Mid-herald in WW. What feats does BM have to truly justify HH? Ditto DCnU MM, aside from the one page of him taking on the JL. What does Morlun have to justify Mid-herald aside from the one net feat (genuine question)?

Here's a question for people - what do you think about the mid herald tier? I actually kind of like it for those who are really powerful, but not the top dogs. I think HH should be reserved for the best (Superman, Surfer, Thor, etc) and Mid-herald should be everyone who's good but second best (WW, BRB, Gladiator, etc).

I would say that people like Superman, Surfer and Thor deserve to be in the trans tier after all what they have accomplished. The HH is the new MH.

Originally posted by Cogito
Curious about these. I'm not convinced bracer-less Diana is Trans at all. Orion was easily Trans in the GL Godhead run, but no better than Mid-herald in WW. What feats does BM have to truly justify HH? Ditto DCnU MM, aside from the one page of him taking on the JL. What does Morlun have to justify Mid-herald aside from the one net feat (genuine question)?

Here's a question for people - what do you think about the mid herald tier? I actually kind of like it for those who are really powerful, but not the top dogs. I think HH should be reserved for the best (Superman, Surfer, Thor, etc) and Mid-herald should be everyone who's good but second best (WW, BRB, Gladiator, etc).

Uncuffed Diana not only matched Super Doom but she tied him up and carried him out of space. She also defeated First Born who is trans tier. It's an amped Wonder Woman. That alone puts her in another tier.

I'm not naming everything BM has done but the fts are there.

Morlun? I can see why you're questioning that. I put him that tier for personal reasons.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I would say that people like Superman, Surfer and Thor deserve to be in the trans tier after all what they have accomplished. The HH is the new MH. Pretty much

All this debate about Marvel/DC... We should be using this as an opportunity to broaden our horizons.

Valiant: Ninjak and Archer to High Street, Bloodshot, Eternal Warrior, Armstrong and Shadowman to Low Meta. X-O Manowar to High Meta. Divinity to Trans.

Dynamite: Doc Savage to High street, Shadow to Low Meta.

Updating the current list should be priority before we start adding in other shit somebody already mentioned Star wars

Originally posted by carver9
Uncuffed Diana not only matched Super Doom but she tied him up and carried him out of space. She also defeated First Born who is trans tier. It's an amped Wonder Woman. That alone puts her in another tier.

I'm not naming everything BM has done but the fts are there.

Morlun? I can see why you're questioning that. I put him that tier for personal reasons.
Haha no. Here is a nice summation of the entire issue.

I don't see Wonder Woman being in the same tier as Thor, Surfer and Superman

Hulk is not high herald.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Updating the current list should be priority before we start adding in other shit somebody already mentioned Star wars

What we have is never going to be completely satisfactory. People will always have issues with the placements of their favourites, and there is so much vitriol on this board that people will vote against proper changes just to spite another poster.

Personally, I'd rather add new characters, than watch this thread balloon into a 20 page monstrosity where nothing was achieved.

Hulk is a high herald, no doubt about it, with some incarnations even higher.

Originally posted by Cogito
and I vote to return to that condition, and stop calling everyone a high herald and pretending mid doesn't exist at all.

Voice of reason.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I would say that people like Superman, Surfer and Thor deserve to be in the trans tier after all what they have accomplished. The HH is the new MH.

No

Originally posted by Martian_mind
All this debate about Marvel/DC... We should be using this as an opportunity to broaden our horizons.

Valiant: Ninjak and Archer to High Street, Bloodshot, Eternal Warrior, Armstrong and Shadowman to Low Meta. X-O Manowar to High Meta. Divinity to Trans.

Dynamite: Doc Savage to High street, Shadow to Low Meta. I can certainly agree with this. I'd also like to see Spawn placed at the High Herald ranking, Savage Dragon at the High Meta ranking, Invincible should be moved up to the Mid Herald bracket at the least, and we could maybe even add some of the characters from the Walking Dead to the list (jesus, negan, rick)

Originally posted by deathslash
I can certainly agree with this. I'd also like to see Spawn placed at the High Herald ranking, Savage Dragon at the High Meta ranking, Invincible should be moved up to the Mid Herald bracket at the least, and we could maybe even add some of the characters from the Walking Dead to the list (jesus, negan, rick)



I can agree with those placements.

Originally posted by Martian_mind


I can agree with those placements. thanks buddy. I'd also like to see ghost Rider (blaze) moved up to the low herald bracket and the new ghost Rider should be in the mid meta bracket.