If Lyrl Dox is a 12th Level Intellect...

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Zack M
Lex Luthor is a 6th level intellect.

Vril Dox is a 10th level intellect.
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/VD_zpscfdkp2vh.jpg

Lyrl Dox is a 12th
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/LD_zpslkwjmbgr.jpg

Rank these characters in levels of intellect. How do you see it?

Reed Richards
Batman
Hank Pym
Tony Stark
Black Panther
Henry Bendix
Ray Palmer

Juntai
It seems like Brainiac is behind Lena Luthor to me. A throwback to pre-52 where she merged with brainiac in OWAW /B13 era, Rebirth seems to be grabbing and redoing old stories in different ways because of the compacted/lost time, things are happening just slightly different.

Just tossing out there Brainiac always thinks Lex is a lesser intellect because Earth itself is considered a lesser-intellect planet and he's extremely arrogant. But, it's pretty frequent in both primary and alternate universes that Lex outsmarts him consistently.

They're smart in different ways though. Brainiac can put up a plan that is multifaceted and takes years and is world, universe or multiverse level stuff. But on the fly, Lex can craft his own plan, stunt Brainiac's plan and punk him. Just look at OWAW or New Krypton storylines. The latter of which, Lex outsmarted Brainiac's plans, confronted him and talked shit to him outsmarted him again one-on-one and snapped his neck, and caused the death of New Krypton all back-to-back-to-back. Though, granted, in both of stories, Lex is on the side of Superman. But still, he knows how to use people. --- another thing evident when he helped orchestrate the fall of Alexander Luthor in Infinite Crisis. "Now who's stupid?"

Prof. T.C McAbe
Luthor is 10th lvl imo. PC-Luthor a 15th lvl.

Rank these characters in levels of intellect. How do you see it?

Reed Richards 11th lvl
Batman over 9000
Hank Pym 9th lvl
Tony Stark 9th lvl
Black Panther 8th lvl
Ray Palmer 11th lvl

And I highly doubt Lyrl Dox being 12th lvl.

TethAdamTheRock
Intellect is Computing power, not actual intellegence

Galan007
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
And I highly doubt Lyrl Dox being 12th lvl. He is smarter than Vril, who is a 10th-level intellect, so I don't doubt it at all. Moreover, Vril actually took measures to neuter Lyrl's mind when he was a child, because he feared that intelligence.


*I would be more curious where Batman 1M would rank... mmm

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Intellect is Computing power, not actual intellegence
Superman should be a 11th lvl then.

Zack M
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Luthor is 10th lvl imo. PC-Luthor a 15th lvl.

Rank these characters in levels of intellect. How do you see it?

Reed Richards 11th lvl
Batman over 9000
Hank Pym 9th lvl
Tony Stark 9th lvl
Black Panther 8th lvl
Ray Palmer 11th lvl

And I highly doubt Lyrl Dox being 12th lvl.

DCnU Luthor is 6th, as stated here:

"My brain, unleashed by your botched experiment, began calculating your destruction at speeds your pathetic sixth-level intelligence you can never imagine".

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/6t_zps85byxaby.jpg

I'd rank Lana around 9-10.

Cogito
I'm a pretty firm believer that nobody is smarter than Reed. The guy's brain has now been used multiple times to recreate everything. Note that this is not to say that Reed makes the best use of his brain, or that he's the most effective.

Batman 1M is implied to be quite uber, but then he had to go ahead and ask for Tim's help with AI programming, so... hmm

Luthor, Stark, Bruce, BP, and Pym I'd all place in the same general tier. Different strengths and weaknesses, but overall close enough.

Ray's good, but I'd have to see some feats that impress me enough before I put him up there. A few bits of narration here and there elevating his status aren't enough for me.

Galan007
Originally posted by Cogito
I'm a pretty firm believer that nobody is smarter than Reed. Depends what we're talking about, imo...

Here Reed states that he is only 'fractionally' smarter than Tony where single tasks are concerned, but goes on to say that Tony is the smartest there is when multiple tasks need addressed simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/JHEvi0m.jpg
"Mister Stark, on the other hand, is this world's greatest multitasker..."

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This is likely why Tony was able to school Reed at multiple games of chess simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/ipe4bRQ.jpg

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Reed later says that Tony is also the best builder there is. Period.:
http://i.imgur.com/YcYhPJh.jpg
"There's no one --absolutely NO ONE-- who can do the things he does. If we're talking about building, well, then we should be taking our best builder."

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In fact, Tony hypothesized that the only reason Reed is fractionally smarter than himself is because Reed's powers allow him to 'cheat' and make his brain(and intellect) physically larger as it suits him:
http://i.imgur.com/nuMc50V.jpg

Cogito
Yup, and check back with me when Tony rebuilds the multiverse with his brain thumb up

Pretty sure it's hard to beat that as far as building and multitasking feats go. I think Tony's been getting wanked a little too far in narration due to his film popularity.

Zack M
Originally posted by Cogito
I'm a pretty firm believer that nobody is smarter than Reed. The guy's brain has now been used multiple times to recreate everything. Note that this is not to say that Reed makes the best use of his brain, or that he's the most effective.

Batman 1M is implied to be quite uber, but then he had to go ahead and ask for Tim's help with AI programming, so... hmm

Luthor, Stark, Bruce, BP, and Pym I'd all place in the same general tier. Different strengths and weaknesses, but overall close enough.

Ray's good, but I'd have to see some feats that impress me enough before I put him up there. A few bits of narration here and there elevating his status aren't enough for me.

Ray has done a lot, Pre-Flashpoint:



Atom has also created a device to defeat Superman. The device would pluck anyone that was capable from the time stream. That being would be Atlas.

He can also shrink below the atom level and slip between the cracks of reality.

Galan007
Oh yeah. Not doubting that Reed is a bit smarter than Tony where singular tasks are concerned, but even Reed said that Tony is a better/smarter multitasker... Which means that a few DC intellects would likely be > Reed in that regard as well.

Mindset
Originally posted by Galan007
Depends what we're talking about, imo...

Here Reed states that he is only 'fractionally' smarter than Tony where single tasks are concerned, but goes on to say that Tony is the smartest there is when multiple tasks need addressed simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/JHEvi0m.jpg
"Mister Stark, on the other hand, is this world's greatest multitasker..."

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This is likely why Tony was able to school Reed at multiple games of chess simultaneously:
http://i.imgur.com/ipe4bRQ.jpg

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Reed later says that Tony is also the best builder there is. Period.:
http://i.imgur.com/YcYhPJh.jpg
"There's no one --absolutely NO ONE-- who can do the things he does. If we're talking about building, well, then we should be taking our best builder."

__________________________________


In fact, Tony hypothesized that the only reason Reed is fractionally smarter than himself is because Reed's powers allow him to 'cheat' and make his brain(and intellect) physically larger as it suits him:
http://i.imgur.com/nuMc50V.jpg Reed is trying really hard to get into Tony's pants.

Zack M
Originally posted by Cogito
Yup, and check back with me when Tony rebuilds the multiverse with his brain thumb up

Pretty sure it's hard to beat that as far as building and multitasking feats go. I think Tony's been getting wanked a little too far in narration due to his film popularity.

Alexander Luthor Jr. brought back the Multiverse in Infinite Crisis. Not only did he bring it back, but he simultaneously manipulated DC's Multiverse. Where would you rank Alex?

Cogito
Oh and of course I'd put Doom above the likes of Luthor and Co. He can scheme with the best of them and he's a scientific genius, with a magical kicker.

Cogito
Originally posted by Zack M
Alexander Luthor Jr. brought back the Multiverse in Infinite Crisis. Not only did he bring it back, but he simultaneously manipulated DC's Multiverse. Where would you rank Alex? Up there with Reed

Galan007
Tbh, I'd put the intellect of Ult. Reed/Maker above pretty much anyone... Even his 616 counterpart. /shrug

Zack M
Originally posted by Galan007
Tbh, I'd put the intellect of Ult. Reed/Maker above pretty much anyone... Even his 616 counterpart. /shrug

Even against Brainiac?

Galan007
Obviously depends *which* Brainiac. Some are superior to Maker; most are not.

TethAdamTheRock
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Superman should be a 11th lvl then. Thats really because of his super speed

"Id"
List is missing Sage.

TethAdamTheRock
Originally posted by Cogito
Yup, and check back with me when Tony rebuilds the multiverse with his brain thumb up

Pretty sure it's hard to beat that as far as building and multitasking feats go. I think Tony's been getting wanked a little too far in narration due to his film popularity. tony probably could if he can focus on one task, which is impossible for him.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Tbh, I'd put the intellect of Ult. Reed/Maker above pretty much anyone... Even his 616 counterpart. /shrug mmm

RadZoa
Originally posted by Galan007
Obviously depends *which* Brainiac. Some are superior to Maker; most are not. Which ones would you consider superior?

Galan007
B13 and 'true' Brainiac spring to mind first.

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