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Who wins?

Common sense says : Scott (even without the PF).

Originally posted by zopzop
Common sense says : Scott (even without the PF).

Sure, but AvsX had a baby dragon hurt him.

Was looking forward to Danny standing toe to toe with Scott, since they establisbed dragon chi is immune to the PF or something.

And then the writers act like they don't know Danny's chi and the Dragon's are the exact same thing. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/rolleyes.gif




(Btw, I would have agreed with you about regular Scott, but the Prince of Orphans super kamrhameha wave he tanked like Ranma being hit into the sky by Akane Tendo gives him more of a chance now..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Sure, but AvsX had a baby dragon hurt him.

Was looking forward to Danny standing toe to toe with Scott, since they establisbed dragon chi is immune to the PF or something.

And then the writers act like they don't know Danny's chi and the Dragon's are the exact same thing. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/smilies/cartoon/rolleyes.gif
Oh yeah. Puffy hurt the PF AvX was such garbage but it's canon. Keep in mind though, Namor with 1/5 of the PF wrecked the Avengers and was only stopped by Prof X/Wanda. IF was there and even with a sneak attack, he couldn't do any lasting damage to Namor.



How powerful was the PoO blast? Cykes 'get off my lawn' attack is no joke.

Originally posted by zopzop

Oh yeah. Puffy hurt the PF AvX was such garbage but it's canon. Keep in mind though, Namor with 1/5 of the PF wrecked the Avengers and was only stopped by Prof X/Wanda. IF was there and even with a sneak attack, he couldn't do any lasting damage to Namor.



How powerful was the PoO blast? Cykes 'get off my lawn' attack is no joke.


Strong enough to carry Danny from inside the city of K'un L'un to Earth (Which is in another dimension) high above the clouds and plummeting into the ice and snow. (Picture Cap knocking Logan out of the quinjet, and that's kind of what his descent looked like.)

And he walked it off, not joking.

If Iron Fist isn't protected by the shariforce, Scott Phoenix wins.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
If Iron Fist isn't protected by the shariforce, Scott Phoenix wins.

Why aren't you a salty shit stain?

I like the fact you get all of your information about Iron Fist from Google searches, and straight up don't know the storylines or issue numbers.

Do you remember the last time we had this argument?

You straight up tried to insert your fan-fiction into a storyline, and knew next to nothing about it.

Thor knocked a full on Phoenix tfo with one hammer throw then went on to get trashed by 1/5 each time they met up so that series may be canon but hard to take it seriously.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Thor knocked a full on Phoenix tfo with one hammer throw then went on to get trashed by 1/5 each time they met up so that series may be canon but hard to take it seriously.

The PF is weaker without a host. Also the PF has oneshotted Thor without a host. What Thor did was scare it a way.

So, aside from stupid writing and character induced stupidity Iron Fist should lose.

When he fought Namor with a fragment of the Phoenix Force the most he could do was tag him once and survive a beating. It required a group effort to defeat him.

Also, Scott would lose horribly without it.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The PF is weaker without a host. Also the PF has oneshotted Thor without a host. What Thor did was scare it a way.

Your right on the host part, but if you were in a csr driving at me, and I threw a bowling balk through the window,hitting you and causing you to wreck into a ditch, thats not scaring you away.

Scott without the PF would one-shot Iron Fist and no fairy tales coming from some random google search about some *giggles* non-existant "nuke-level punches and durability" will change the obvious result.

Iron Fist is destroyed.

Going by internal logic, shouldn't Shao Lao = Iron Fist?

Since an Iron Fist literally absorbs the entireity of the dragon's chi into itself?

Shao Lao can drive off the full Phoenix Force. An Iron Fist becomes Shao Lao. Therefore, an Iron Fist defeats Scott Phoenix.

Or that's how it logically "should" work. Obviously, that's not what happened in the comic, for no explained reason.

Originally posted by cdtm
Going by internal logic, shouldn't Shao Lao = Iron Fist?

Since an Iron Fist literally absorbs the entireity of the dragon's chi into itself?

Shao Lao can drive off the full Phoenix Force. An Iron Fist becomes Shao Lao. Therefore, an Iron Fist defeats Scott Phoenix.

Or that's how it logically "should" work. Obviously, that's not what happened in the comic, for no explained reason.

Sure ! He becomes a dragon like Liu Kang in Mortal Kombat. !

Errrrffff.

Fan-fictions are cool but Iron Fist isn't immortal.

He is probably immortal in Sharivan's head thanks to the ShariForce but that's all. (

The guy actually didn't get the context the context of his own claims.

It's not like it was obvious that:

*Danny had been turned into a Ghost.
*Teleported to another place in that form.
*Made himself temporarily solid in that VERY specific instance.

So that's not something he can replicate at all.

well, this thread was a complete sh!tshow! anyway, scott and it should be scott even without the force though danny could def win depending on what we assume scott does.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, this thread was a complete sh!tshow! anyway, scott and it should be scott even without the force though danny could def win depending on what we assume scott does.

Well, I can certainly respect this opinion more then I could agree with Bat Family defeating Iron Fist (On that, we'll just have to agree to disagree.)

This thread was really more of a play on AvsX's internal logic, or lack thereof anyways. Shou Lou the Undying never should have driven away the PF in the first place, and K'un L'un didn't need ties with X-stories. How did that ever make it past editorial?

yeah, avx was a piece of work. it had some good highlights i thought though, and overall i didn't mind the arc, but there was some real awful stuff thrown in. the series i thought actually had potential to be really good. but, marvel.

not sure i get the bat family reference though. what was it i was supposed to have believed again....?

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, avx was a piece of work. it had some good highlights i thought though, and overall i didn't mind the arc, but there was some real awful stuff thrown in. the series i thought actually had potential to be really good. but, marvel.

not sure i get the bat family reference though. what was it i was supposed to have believed again....?

There was a thread between Iron Fist, and Batman, Nightwing, and either Cassandra Cain or Shiva (I forget.) As I recall, one side was saying chi blitz, and the other side went with Batman's prep ability/gear/record against the Grundy's and Karate Kid's. (Guess which side I was on. )

I could have sworn you gave Bat folks an edge, but nowhere near a stomp. It was actually based on pretty well weighted arguments.

But I'm sticking with my story anyways (Which is basically that anyone on the Spidey stat tier, which I place Danny at on average, should brute force their way past most any group of streets. I realize that's not how it often plays out, though.)

fair enough. i sort of recall the thread and i would still take the bat family more often than not but that's for a different thread.

Errrrrfff Sharivan continue his work at spamming his illiteracy in this thread. That's hilarious but sad at the same time.

Poor reading skills can't be taken as face value when arguing for a fictional character.

I notice how butthurt the user is concerning:



Yes. I said it and I posted proof of it.

Considering that Kenshiro's combat speed and skills is way beyond any of them and that he only need a single touch to kill them.

I think that you secretly wet yourself dreaming that Iron Fist was Kenshiro. That's truly hilarious.





That's because we don't speak the same language.

You take your fanfictions as face-value while I back-up my statements with proofs.




That's just your worthless opinion.



We will never come to an agreement. Your views about the characters that you defend are silly and your lack of reading skills makes me think that you should go back at school.

The context was about comparing the power of two telekinesis ability which worked just fine.




Which you failed to counter, none of them having the combat speed to counter Kenshiro's own combat speed and skills.

None of them being shielded against Kenshiro's pressure-point attacks which results in their instant death.

There is nothing to address but those two points in your pathetic post. ROFL.

Your debating-style is more and more ridiculous.

Keep going.


By the way educate yourself:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mature#h1


Definition of mature
maturer; maturest

1
: based on slow careful consideration a mature judgment

2
a (1) : having completed natural growth and development : ripe mature fruit

(2) : having undergone maturationb : having attained a final or desired state mature winec : having achieved a low but stable growth rate paper is a mature industryd : of, relating to, or being an older adult : elderly airline discounts for mature travelers

3
a : of or relating to a condition of full development a man of mature yearsb : characteristic of or suitable to a mature individual mature outlook a show with mature content

4
: due for payment a mature loan

5
: belonging to the middle portion of a cycle of erosion a mature stream

Originally posted by cdtm
Strong enough to carry Danny from inside the city of K'un L'un to Earth (Which is in another dimension) high above the clouds and plummeting into the ice and snow. (Picture Cap knocking Logan out of the quinjet, and that's kind of what his descent looked like.)

And he walked it off, not joking.

If it is true Iron Fist can survive something like this I'm confused at how anyone could say Batman has a chance at defeating him.