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They meet each other and instantly hate each other:

1) In character
2) All-out bloodlusted

No time travel.

America Girl?

Miss America, I guess.

Who is massively faster than Ilyana, IRC.

Miss America.

She's a far more powerful teleporter and really strong/fast/durable.

Miss America/America Girl, for some reason I'm sure I've seen her called both around here... the Ultimates girl.

Anyway, Illyana is always shown as being pretty powerful with her teleporting and interdimensional travel and dumping people in Limbo. She's hard for a lot of characters to fight. So I thought the Ultimates girl would be a good match up for her, since a lot of Magik's tricks wouldn't be so effective.

Is Miss America the more powerful teleporter? Can Illyana's magic counter America's strength and speed advantage?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Miss America, I guess.

Who is massively faster than Ilyana, IRC.
Is she? Illyana reacts to a bullet being fired:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2120947-magik.jpg

Illyana acts faster than a light-speed attack:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2950508-illy2.jpg

Lol...Monica was surprised at Ms. America speed and was at one point thinking Ms. America was faster. Monica CAN blitz Magik with ease. Does that answer your question.?

Originally posted by Magnon
Is she? Illyana reacts to a bullet being fired:



Bullets? Dayum.

http://i.imgur.com/0SWq6vN.png

Man that scene is just really cool.

But yeah that is the thing I was on about with her being much faster, and then on top of that she could KO Magik with one punch. Plus the scene a few issues later when she opens the portals in her own eyes whilst Monica flies at her at light speed.

As for the teleporting power, Ms America has basically displayed no limits to her power- she's teleported herself/others massive distances within the universe with no effort (Earth to Taa 2 etc), across the multiverse/into other dimensions etc.

The only time teleporting seemed hard for her was after repeatedly teleporting a spaceship through dimensions to eventually outside of reality itself within a really short space of time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bullets? Dayum.
Thanks for cherry-picking the scan where Illyana wasn't dodging Monica at light-speed. Cuz the alternative might've been troublesome for your argument.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Monica was surprised at Ms. America speed and was at one point thinking Ms. America was faster. Monica CAN blitz Magik with ease. Does that answer your question.?
See the scan I provided. Monica, explicitly, could not blitz Illyana.

Originally posted by Magnon
Thanks for cherry-picking the scan where Illyana wasn't dodging Monica at light-speed. Cuz the alternative might've been troublesome for your argument.

Not really.

Monica was going at lightspeed.

Chavez, explicitly, was going FASTER than lightspeed.

But good dodging!

She's almost a toon character. Punching black holes so hard they explode? Wut?

http://i.imgur.com/YCrRLQ8.png
http://i.imgur.com/RYatJZE.png

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.

Monica was going at lightspeed.

Chavez, explicitly, was going FASTER than lightspeed.

But good dodging!
Yeah? So was Illyana. She moved faster than Monica, avoided her attack with a smile on her face, and even had time to turn her head to grin at the passing Monica. Ms. America was slow enough that she appeared moving in slow motion to Monica whereas Illyana was fast enough to avoid her attack completely.

But good dodging!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She's almost a toon character. Punching black holes so hard they explode? Wut?
Regular black holes do not spawn tentacles with mouths on them, so we have no way to quantify the properties of those things and what it takes to explode them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.

Monica was going at lightspeed.

Chavez, explicitly, was going FASTER than lightspeed.

But good dodging!

what makes you think she was going faster than c? because monica saw her moving still? that doesn't mean she was going faster, just fast enough to be seen methinks. there was still some dilation effect happening if she was slowed. lightspeed they would move equally, faster and monica would have commented chavez's movements were quicker than her own. /shrug

that aside, you're 100% right--chavez is far and away faster than illyana. even if she can only APPROACH light speed the gap in speed is huge, especially because we've seen not just straight line movement from miss a but also uber combat speed. and she appears to be damn near thor-level strong....

she's a monster.

illyana is no push over though and she has a few pretty good reaction feats to go on. still, miss a would tag her eventually and end it (illyana can't even use bfr here since miss a can come back from anywhere) unless illyana casts some spells. which she is fully capable of imo. i'm with basilisk here in wondering just what effects her magiks could have on ms. a. this is pretty close imo, and i THINK if i had to choose i'd actually side with magik. just more feats to go on and some really strong showings. magic is a tough counter for almost anyone. illyana is pretty underrated in most cases imo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.

Monica was going at lightspeed.

Chavez, explicitly, was going FASTER than lightspeed.

But good dodging!
How is Chavez moving ftl? I think I asked u about this in another thread iirc.

Speed aside...

Regarding who the more powerful teleported is.. Magik can teleport anywhere in the omniverse.

http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/5386807-screen+shot+2016-08-18+at+12.39.27+am.png

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/5386808-screen+shot+2016-08-18+at+12.43.32+am.png

She brought back Legion who was banished outside existence itself.

Miss America's only way to win would be to blitz.

No way is she winning in Limbo. Magik's pretty much immortal and a reality warper in there.

Magik can shut down teleporters and seal Limbo and other dimensional gates too.

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/108342/5216800-screen+shot+2016-05-19+at+2.24.19+pm.png
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/108342/4911252-screen+shot+2015-11-16+at+4.19.21+pm.png
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/108342/5141887-screen+shot+2016-04-09+at+3.39.56+pm.png
http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/108342/3056730-xinfrns001_int_page_01.jpg

Her magic can affect a Phoenix Avatar and Silver Surfer couldn't undo her magic

I guess they're pretty equal on the teleporting front then, as Miss America is also an omniversal scale teleporter.

I'd still give it to America though, I just don't see Magik's magical power outside of Limbo being enough to put America down, or at least not faster than America can get a punch on Magik.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I guess they're pretty equal on the teleporting front then, as Miss America is also an omniversal scale teleporter.

I'd still give it to America though, I just don't see Magik's magical power outside of Limbo being enough to put America down, or at least not faster than America can get a punch on Magik.

Why not? one port is all Magik needs.

She can cloak, turn invisible or intangible, she can tele dismember, send an army of demons who can mimic powers or possess her, she can mind wipe, soul manip, transmute, hell fire, pre cog, shields, auto shields, etc...

http://oi1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/eaebiakuya/Miss%20America/VELOCIDADE1_zps7frtbz4o.png

miss America can shapeshift (blend with surrounding) and do reed Richards type stuff as well.

I think Magik's spells give her a slight edge because I think she can conjure armor or a spell armor IIRC

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.

Monica was going at lightspeed.

Chavez, explicitly, was going FASTER than lightspeed.

But good dodging!
That scan means Chavez was moving extremely fast, but below light speed.

Originally posted by staxamillion
miss America can shapeshift (blend with surrounding) and do reed Richards type stuff as well.

I think Magik's spells give her a slight edge because I think she can conjure armor or a spell armor IIRC

I think that you are amalgamating Miss America and Miss Marvel.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I think that you are amalgamating Miss America and Miss Marvel.

you're right that's my bad

Originally posted by staxamillion
you're right that's my bad

It happens.