Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

who is the most powerful telepath in

1.comics

2.all of fiction.

?

Are you taking tiers into account
Or just overall?

Originally posted by Genii96
Are you taking tiers into account
Or just overall?


overall no tiers.

The One Above All or any other omnipotent character.

Xavier for Marvel and Martian Manhunter for DC, if we go by your normal non abstract chars.

It's also worth mentioning that the majority of energy/molecule/matter manipulators control reality with their minds to some extent.

MJJ, for example:
http://i.imgur.com/Eda2wP7.jpg


But if you are just looking for raw telepathy or w/e, then you have characters like Saturn Girl, who can telepathically scan the entire universe in the space of a single panel:
http://s6d4.turboimg.net/t1/32602908_Zero_Hour_-_Crisis_in_Time-095.jpg

...Which is easily one of the best TP feats out there.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Xavier for Marvel and Martian Manhunter for DC, if we go by your normal non abstract chars. Both of them have been beaten by non-abstracts, in fact they've both been used as "Worfs" to show how strong the guy they were facing was.

Thanos for marvel (I am not counting Abstracts)- he beat a Xavier level telepath with the mind gem

Overall?,
Hard to tell

Any omnipotent being

Not sure if this is strictly telepathy or some sort of other ESP, but Divinity scans the entire universe(to try and locate his lost son) in the space of a few pages:
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516642_Eternity_001-016.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516643_Eternity_001-017.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516644_Eternity_001-018.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516645_Eternity_001-019.jpg

His powers are asinine.

Cosmo

Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure if this is strictly telepathy or some sort of other ESP, but Divinity scans the entire universe(to try and locate his lost son) in the space of a few pages:
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516642_Eternity_001-016.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516643_Eternity_001-017.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516644_Eternity_001-018.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36516645_Eternity_001-019.jpg

His powers are asinine.



oooo interesting gotta check this out

Nate Grey and Cassandra Nova have some of the best feats of bona fide telepathy in comics. Him for range, speed, versatility and implied power, her for straight up combat.

Superman 1 million can use telepathy thru universes and time

Originally posted by Smurph
Nate Grey and Cassandra Nova have some of the best feats of bona fide telepathy in comics. Him for range, speed, versatility and implied power, her for straight up combat.

post scans please.

Originally posted by ghostman
post scans please. Nah. Galan or Id or StyleTime or somebody probably have them readily available, if you ask really nicely.

But he has scanned timelines and planes and universes in panels, for instance.

She has KTFO'd Xavier w/ Cerebra with relative ease, and tore through Xavier, Jean, and Shi'ar mind shields like they were paper.

Psylocke recently took Cassandra out with her hax blade, which may lower her stock, but iirc she also easily kicked Psylocke out of her own body which is itself pretty impressive. I don't really remember the details though. Looked it up for a tourney.

And Smurph (or maybe Style time) will remember that I don't rate Cassie all that highly....of the feats that Smurph mentioned, most of them had context to them

Originally posted by Smurph
Nah. Galan or Id or StyleTime or somebody probably have them readily available, if you ask really nicely.

But he has scanned timelines and planes and universes in panels, for instance.

She has KTFO'd Xavier w/ Cerebra with relative ease, and tore through Xavier, Jean, and Shi'ar mind shields like they were paper.

Psylocke recently took Cassandra out with her hax blade, which may lower her stock, but iirc she also easily kicked Psylocke out of her own body which is itself pretty impressive. I don't really remember the details though. Looked it up for a tourney.

That was white owl cassandra tho, right? From the future

Yup

Despero

Originally posted by krisblaze
That was white owl cassandra tho, right? From the future Oh right, forgot that.

In that case, she still has no low showings at all. Beastly.

Originally posted by Genii96
Thanos for marvel (I am not counting Abstracts)- he beat a Xavier level telepath with the mind gem

Overall?,
Hard to tell

Any omnipotent being
Thanos is rudimentary telepath at best. His mental shields are strong but that's it. Originally posted by Smurph
Nah. Galan or Id or StyleTime or somebody probably have them readily available, if you ask really nicely.

But he has scanned timelines and planes and universes in panels, for instance.

She has KTFO'd Xavier w/ Cerebra with relative ease, and tore through Xavier, Jean, and Shi'ar mind shields like they were paper.

Psylocke recently took Cassandra out with her hax blade, which may lower her stock, but iirc she also easily kicked Psylocke out of her own body which is itself pretty impressive. I don't really remember the details though. Looked it up for a tourney.
Funny, J'onn has scanned entire timelines as well.

As well as entire galaxy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thanos is rudimentary telepath at best. His mental shields are strong but that's it.
Funny, J'onn has scanned entire timelines as well.

As well as entire galaxy. Cool.

Until it's all timelines and planes of existence in the space of a panel, it's still less impressive. But it's a good feat for J'onn.

Saturn girl is another who has scanned universes and a multitude of timelines.

Originally posted by Smurph
Cool.

Until it's all timelines and planes of existence in the space of a panel, it's still less impressive. But it's a good feat for J'onn.
ermm

He was also in coma.

Saturn Girl literally scanned entire multiverse for alternate legions and has scanned entire universe twice.

http://i.imgur.com/ZBUTXKc.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Saturn Girl you noobs. She is the only character here who has touched and felt every emotion of every being in universe twice and scanned entire universe in moments.

https://s16.postimg.org/kawvhwdfl/RCO037_1468998681.jpg https://s3.postimg.org/ywp8skbsf/RCO038_1468998681.jpg

These are some noobs here in terms of TP.
Originally posted by Galan007
Here is the scene:
http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpg

That's far beyond anything Nate showed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

He was also in coma. And Nate was in the middle of being attacked by Ares. srug



Nah.

http://i.imgur.com/r9wuS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1nhQs.jpg

Each of these feats were done with greater ease than Saturn Girl's. So, no, not 'far beyond' or even beyond.

Originally posted by Smurph
And Nate was in the middle of being attacked by Ares. srug



Nah.

http://i.imgur.com/r9wuS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1nhQs.jpg

Each of these feats were done with greater ease than Saturn Girl's. So, no, not 'far beyond' or even beyond.
He connected one mind across universes as it was connected through the multiverse via the false memories. Not scan entire timelines.

This isn't even close to what Imra did.

It doesn't say it was connected via false memories. It just that those memories were previously scattered across realties. He found them and remerged them.

He scanned all futures and planes of existence when being attacked by Ares in the initial Dark X-Men fight.

Ares? Lol

1. Sentry.

2. I didn't read all of fiction.

Originally posted by Smurph
It doesn't say it was connected via false memories. It just that those memories were previously scattered across realties. He found them and remerged them.


The other versions were connected by psychic connections. Hence how a version of Idris even heard it across universes when one of them were in danger.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/vibJsoxsXwwjWWq4WEqObkRncvkWUbV5LK4nie7n-lOwcp2XnmewAUGavJGEeF19WD-TLQjs9jwd=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ tHQ2FcSI9BX43X6oWL0rM3koeJdItBsLEmFUKzL82OzvDRJ2zO
IV2JGQtbsoXJtqRIgRu6xw7mke=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/dKBD8XIDj7wRwArmgWzywQ0_YZdeEWe9-jZ5udGtmfp-iDkiw3pisSvzqnfG1IlZrVXXVECVXtO6=s1600

Hence why even the blind nun could see from another version's eyes.



Of Ares specifically. Not of everyone and everyone.

You're talking like he could connect with entire universes. He isn't that powerful.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Xavier for Marvel and Martian Manhunter for DC, if we go by your normal non abstract chars.

Given that its stated on panel that when he teamed with Aquaman in TP attacking despero they still arent his equal, NO

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Saturn Girl literally scanned entire multiverse for alternate legions and has scanned entire universe twice.

http://i.imgur.com/ZBUTXKc.jpg




That's far beyond anything Nate showed
Scan says she scanned the cosmos not the Multiverse.

just here to remind you guys that superman and thor are gay

Originally posted by Raisen
just here to remind you guys that superman and thor are gay

Originally posted by "Id"
Scan says she scanned the cosmos not the Multiverse.

I think he is referring to the LO3W incident. That was multiversal.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW




be my bro in real life. no more innuendos you phucking cockk tease

Originally posted by "Id"
Scan says she scanned the cosmos not the Multiverse.

yeah, cosmos=multiverse? lol wtf? and there was no one else even present. she didn't have to sift through anything--just confirmed its empty. the range is cool i guess, but that is literally nothing compared to nate's feat. and where is this jonn scan of him scanning all timelines....?

I was under the impression that Nate was able to view Ares' 'status' across every plane/future, due to his ability to whimsically access planck time. After all, he seemed to pull the same trick a few pages later in the issue, when he showed Mimic the futures/existences of the Dark Avengers roster:
https://i.imgur.com/JktZQ5U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OmishNV.jpg


Granted that is apparently only one of 300 ways Nate can 'see', but when he read Ares it came off more like *that* to me, and less like raw TP:
https://i.imgur.com/AKlKWTs.jpg

Thoughts? srug

Originally posted by "Id"
Scan says she scanned the cosmos not the Multiverse.
That was here.

http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpg

And J'onn scans.

https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651976-1.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651978-2.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651979-3.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651980-4.png

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, cosmos=multiverse? lol wtf? and there was no one else even present. she didn't have to sift through anything--just confirmed its empty. the range is cool i guess, but that is literally nothing compared to nate's feat. and where is this jonn scan of him scanning all timelines....?

That wasn't the LO3W incident.

Anyhow Nathan Grey Telepathy is off the charts. His range is Multiversal.

Example 1) The Broken creature showed telepathy vast enough to track down his prey from realities away. In the same series Nate does the same thing, and effortlessly tracks down Broken Creature when he retreated to his Native reality.

And his Telepathy carries Scope along with range.
Example 2) In the battle taking black in Brilliant City, a reality far and above reality 616. He managed to touch and reconnect Idaris to her alternate selves. We are not just talking scan to find someone or echo help but linking the mind to serve a purpose. Which is what makes impressive, since we already know he track others across realities refer to example 1.

Lastly we know where he stands among Earth Telepathy.
Example 3) He has put all Earth Telepaths on a fringe and on their knees in two separate occasions. He has released a psychic onslaught that no Heavy Hitting Telepaths where able to shrug off including the likes of Xavier or Jean Grey for example.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was here.

http://i.imgur.com/2KitjJv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qON4WFu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bf1aV5K.jpg

And J'onn scans.

https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651976-1.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651978-2.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651979-3.png
https://static.comicvine.com/api/image/2651980-4.png

Originally posted by "Id"
Anyhow Nathan Grey Telepathy is off the charts. His range is Multiversal.

Example 1) The Broken creature showed telepathy vast enough to track down his prey from realities away. In the same series Nate does the same thing, and effortlessly tracks down Broken Creature when he retreated to his Native reality.

And his Telepathy carries Scope along with range.
Example 2) In the battle taking black in Brilliant City, a reality far and above reality 616. He managed to touch and reconnect Idaris to her alternate selves. We are not just talking scan to find someone or echo help but linking the mind to serve a purpose. Which is what makes impressive, since we already know he track others across realities refer to example 1.

Lastly we know where he stands among Earth Telepathy.
Example 3) He has put all Earth Telepaths on a fringe and on their knees in two separate occasions. He has released a psychic onslaught that no Heavy Hitting Telepaths where able to shrug off including the likes of Xavier or Jean Grey for example.

So above the HH tier,is what I'm seeing....

almost as far above HH as, say, beating the AM one on one...?

Well, am sure we can get an average of the hundreds of Nate showings, just like we can get an average of the hundreds of showings of this mysterious character you allude to,right?

Originally posted by Galan007
I was under the impression that Nate was able to view Ares' 'status' across every plane/future, due to his ability to whimsically access planck time. After all, he seemed to pull the same trick a few pages later in the issue, when he showed Mimic the futures/existences of the Dark Avengers roster:
https://i.imgur.com/JktZQ5U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OmishNV.jpg


Granted that is apparently only one of 300 ways Nate can 'see', but when he read Ares it came off more like *that* to me, and less like raw TP:
https://i.imgur.com/AKlKWTs.jpg

Thoughts? srug I just don't see a distinction between the powers in the moment where he claims Ares is 'war personified'. I read it as Nate having multiple ways to access vast knowledge, including through telepathy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The other versions were connected by psychic connections. Hence how a version of Idris even heard it across universes when one of them were in danger.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/vibJsoxsXwwjWWq4WEqObkRncvkWUbV5LK4nie7n-lOwcp2XnmewAUGavJGEeF19WD-TLQjs9jwd=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ tHQ2FcSI9BX43X6oWL0rM3koeJdItBsLEmFUKzL82OzvDRJ2zO
IV2JGQtbsoXJtqRIgRu6xw7mke=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/dKBD8XIDj7wRwArmgWzywQ0_YZdeEWe9-jZ5udGtmfp-iDkiw3pisSvzqnfG1IlZrVXXVECVXtO6=s1600

Hence why even the blind nun could see from another version's eyes. Yes, that speaks to them being split personas. The scan doesn't say that Nate somehow piggybacks that link to find them. It's a moot point anyways, because the meat of the feat is when he easily merges minds across the multiverse.



Yes, of Ares.

No, I'm just describing the feats of multiversal telepathy as they appear on panel. He probably has the best combination of range and power of any herald telepath.

Originally posted by leonidas

What?

Originally posted by "Id"
Anyhow Nathan Grey Telepathy is off the charts. His range is Multiversal.

Example 1) The Broken creature showed telepathy vast enough to track down his prey from realities away. In the same series Nate does the same thing, and effortlessly tracks down Broken Creature when he retreated to his Native reality.

And his Telepathy carries Scope along with range.
Example 2) In the battle taking black in Brilliant City, a reality far and above reality 616. He managed to touch and reconnect Idaris to her alternate selves. We are not just talking scan to find someone or echo help but linking the mind to serve a purpose. Which is what makes impressive, since we already know he track others across realities refer to example 1.


None of these are multiversal showings when all he has done is track one individual due to the psychic connection her other halves had.

Even Psylocke has done that with shadow king. Onslaught with Charles power overpowered Nate.

And a literal novice Saturn Queen has killed J'onn with TP. Imra has gone toe to toe with 900 telepaths like her straight up and defeated them.

Originally posted by Smurph
Yes, that speaks to them being split personas. The scan doesn't say that Nate somehow piggybacks that link to find them. It's a moot point anyways, because the meat of the feat is when he easily merges minds across the multiverse.


It does not need to be said when the personas could hear the psychic signals across realities anyway.



He has the range but not the power. The best feat he has regarding the minds is when he scanned the earth.

Taking the emotions of New York gave him headache. Imra could feel the emotions of the entire universe.

Nate is nowhere near that level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
None of these are multiversal showings when all he has done is track one individual due to the psychic connection her other halves had.


If you claim that Idaris does have a psychic connection with her alternate selves. The burden of proof falls squarely on your shoulders to prove your claim.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He has the range but not the power. The best feat he has regarding the minds is when he scanned the earth.

Taking the emotions of New York gave him headache. Imra could feel the emotions of the entire universe.

Nate is nowhere near that level. Lol @ the downplaying and lowballing.

It cuts both ways though: Imra felt a single emotion resonate across the universe, when everybody at once cried out in sympathy. She's not just willfully tapping into all their individual psyches simultaneously.

The difference between the feats is that Imra was strained by hers, and Nate's are done with ease... which is why your repeated insistence that Nate is "nowhere near that level" just sounds like bullshit.

Originally posted by leonidas
Martian Manhunter feat isn't quite what Abhi made it out to be. ermm

Originally posted by abhilegend
What?

imagining your reaction to those feats had they been posted in defense of nate.

portals were open, so she didn't even send her consciousness across universes, and the rings were amped and aided her search. it's a completely shared feat, or she was amped (by the rings) or at the VERY least it wasn't done by her, on her own, under her own power.

had this been shown to be done by nate, you'd be ALL OVER this feat, lowballing it and screaming how it's nowhere near as great as you're saying it is.

and the jonn feat? really? not worth discussing.

Oh.

I must have missed the "one hell of a distress signal"/"you're on the air" part earlier.

Meanwhile downplaying another character's multiversal feat because of a psychic connection. Lol, gotta toe the company line I guess...

Originally posted by Galan007
I was under the impression that Nate was able to view Ares' 'status' across every plane/future, due to his ability to whimsically access planck time. After all, he seemed to pull the same trick a few pages later in the issue, when he showed Mimic the futures/existences of the Dark Avengers roster:
https://i.imgur.com/JktZQ5U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OmishNV.jpg


Granted that is apparently only one of 300 ways Nate can 'see', but when he read Ares it came off more like *that* to me, and less like raw TP:
https://i.imgur.com/AKlKWTs.jpg

Thoughts? srug

it has always been a very exotic feat and i wouldn't label it traditional tp. i think one of the things that makes nate so powerful is that he has access to all the mental disciplines at the highest level. before going full power, his tk let him fight hulk one on one. he's demonstrated atomic levels of tk. he can kill xavier on the astral plane. his tp is strong enough to penetrate the barriers that separate our earth from all its alternates--and regardless of how abhi tries to spin it, that IS a monstrous feat. he's stopped time as well, can teleport, yadda yadda.

i've always found the above feat difficult to quantify in terms of raw power. i think another manifestation of his power is the ability to see across time in ways most can't (reminds me of a couple surfer feats, tbh). i think the whole 'plank time' thing is merely a corollary of his ability to see time in different ways. it would seem that it should follow that if he can access plank time (essentially enter a tiny piece of time and stay there, allowing normal time to flow around him) that he could access any time he can perceive. he can dimensionally travel as well, which is a similar idea. his perceptions let him see things, and his power allows him to access what he sees. not sure that makes sense, but tbh, i think the plank thing was thrown in strictly because the author thought it sounded cool, so rationalizing/explaining it is...not terribly easy imo. lol

Originally posted by "Id"
If you claim that Idaris does have a psychic connection with her alternate selves. The burden of proof falls squarely on your shoulders to prove your claim.
Already did.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/vibJsoxsXwwjWWq4WEqObkRncvkWUbV5LK4nie7n-lOwcp2XnmewAUGavJGEeF19WD-TLQjs9jwd=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ %20tHQ2FcSI9BX43X6oWL0rM3koeJdItBsLEmFUKzL82OzvDRJ
2zO%3Cbr%20/%3EIV2JGQtbsoXJtqRIgRu6xw7mke=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/dKBD8XIDj7wRwArmgWzywQ0_YZdeEWe9-jZ5udGtmfp-iDkiw3pisSvzqnfG1IlZrVXXVECVXtO6=s1600Originally posted by Smurph
Lol @ the downplaying and lowballing.

It cuts both ways though: Imra felt a single emotion resonate across the universe, when everybody at once cried out in sympathy. She's not just willfully tapping into all their individual psyches simultaneously.

The difference between the feats is that Imra was strained by hers, and Nate's are done with ease... which is why your repeated insistence that Nate is "nowhere near that level" just sounds like bullshit.
What lowballing? Idris had psychic connection with her other halves.

Also she tapped entire universe's psychic scream and gemworld which is another universe altogether. It's not just connecting one person with her other psychic parts.

Originally posted by leonidas
imagining your reaction to those feats had they been posted in defense of nate.

portals were open, so she didn't even send her consciousness across universes, and the rings were amped and aided her search. it's a completely shared feat, or she was amped (by the rings) or at the VERY least it wasn't done by her, on her own, under her own power.


The rings don't have psychic uses. They were to send the signal through the portals to the other legions in their rings.

She literally says that she is scanning through the mind of so many and the portals were for entire centuries to access the vanishing point.

http://i.imgur.com/xe1hZQ1.jpg

Second to last panel even shows the years as she scans through them. It's TP across time and space across the multiverse.

I don't know how you can think it's not a gargantuan feat.

Why?

Why not? J'onn merged his mind with John and scanned entire dimensions when Wally was tumbling through them.

Originally posted by Smurph
Oh.

I must have missed the "one hell of a distress signal"/"you're on the air" part earlier.

Meanwhile downplaying another character's multiversal feat because of a psychic connection. Lol, gotta toe the company line I guess...
The portals were for the legions to access vanishing point and the Legion ring can't amp psychic powers.

If Nate could do that, you would be all over such a feat.

the ONLY reason should could connect with them was because she was at the nexus and the open portals allowed her to contact them. and the only reason she could contact them even with that was because of the amped rings (so even if normal rings don't help, it was clear that the amped ones had some affect on her tp). if the rings played no role why use them and why say, literally, just after the rings are amped: "you're on the air"? even then the portals needed to be open wider. the most impressive thing, i guess, is that she seems to have contacted a lot of legion members, but we don't even know how many.

your initial claim that she has 'multiversal' tp is a gross misrepresentation of that feat. it's a pretty good feat, but i wouldn't put that past xavier or even jonn.

Leo right on the money.

As somone who's been laughing at the saturn girl hyperbole for some time I am quite happy with the recent development.

Originally posted by leonidas
the ONLY reason should could connect with them was because she was at the nexus and the open portals allowed her to contact them. and the only reason she could contact them even with that was because of the amped rings (so even if normal rings don't help, it was clear that the amped ones had some affect on her tp). if the rings played no role why use them and why say, literally, just after the rings are amped: "you're on the air"?

Because they opened the portal and not amped her power. "Being on air" doesn't means being amped.

It was a TP call across time and space through the multiverse.



She scanned entire centuries to find them. That's a lot of minds.

Nate can't even say that. He connected one person to her psychic selves via literally a psychic connection but you're trying to say her feat was lesser because of the portals? Hypocritical much?

Show me one feat of Nate where he connects with just a solar system much less entire universe.

Or scans entire universe within a panel. Until then he is far below her in power.

Originally posted by leonidas
tbh, i think the plank thing was thrown in strictly because the author thought it sounded cool, so rationalizing/explaining it is...not terribly easy imo. lol I thought the same, tbh.

In fact, I remember specifically lol'ing when that issue of Dark X-Men was released, because it was right around the time when the F4 beat the Marquis of Death by accessing 'Planck temperature'... So yeah, Marvel was definitely wanking Planck-units tremendously back then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because they opened the portal and not amped her power. "Being on air" doesn't means being amped.

so what did the rings do iyo? why not just have her call for help? why the need for the rings?



what? no it wasn't. or rather it was, but only to the universes (multi-universal) that were ALREADY open to her. and even then the portals needed to be opened wider for her powers to work.



the rings established the link between legionaires. she didn't need to find anyone.



at least he was required to ACTUALLY send his mind across alternate universes. these others universes weren't already open to him. what you're saying is the same as equating surtur to a multiversal power because his flames were gonna destroy everything because he was at a nexxus and could thus send the flames everywhere. special circumstances allowed for that feat.

and the whole point of her fracturing herself was to make her pieces impossible to find. i agree there was a connection that he may have been able to follow, but what's so impressive is he STILL had to access alternate universes on his own. that's vastly different from what she did in that scan.



wut? who cares if he's connected a universe. but i'd love to see HER feat though. and even if it is actually true this time, when she can use the power of her mind to stop time and travel between universes, she's far below him in power.



i hope you're not referencing the scan you showed here earlier because, again, that isn't showing what you say it's showing....

i'm done listening to the lowballing though. you drag me and others into using the same tactics. fact is her feat is a good one, if ambiguous. do i see it being beyond nate? no chance.

@galan--what do you make of the feat in discussion? btw, i fully expect you to be a major contributor to my synopses thread in the comic book forum.

I think that she was able to preform the feat because she was at a multiversal nexus(ie. Vanishing Point) which allowed for such -- I thought it was pretty explicitly stated:
https://i.imgur.com/XjqdzwI.jpg

Similar to how/why SBP was able to alter the multiverse with physical strikes from within the Limbo/nexus realm:
https://i.imgur.com/hNlk2Dr.jpg

...Nexus points are funny that way. Not saying the feat isn't impressive(she still telepathically communicated/linked with a shit-ton of Legionnaires) -- just saying that it has a pretty big asterisk next to it. /shrug



That said, Imra has other feats that are FAR more impressive, imo. For example: using her TP to flash-read/sense every mind in the entire universe + Sorcerers' World, in the space of a single page:
https://i.imgur.com/471wCiF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e1DD0h1.jpg
*Keep in mind: Sorcerers' World = Gemworld = an entirely different dimension -- which makes her feat a LOT more impressive, as it means she was applying her TP cross-dimensionally.

...And again: she did that under her own power. No extenuating circumstances.



Personally, I find that feat a LOT more impressive than the showing from Lo3W. srug

Manchester Black has some good ones.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think that she was able to preform the feat because she was at a multiversal nexus(ie. Vanishing Point) which allowed for such -- I thought it was pretty explicitly stated:
https://i.imgur.com/XjqdzwI.jpg

Similar to how/why SBP was able to alter the multiverse with physical strikes from within the Limbo/nexus realm:
https://i.imgur.com/hNlk2Dr.jpg

...Nexus points are funny that way. Not saying the feat isn't impressive(she still telepathically communicated/linked with a shit-ton of Legionnaires) -- just saying that it has a pretty big asterisk next to it. /shrug

agreed 100%.



i assume this is the feat abhi had in mind. after reading it, i wonder about a couple things and let me know what you think, bearing in my this isn't me lowballing lol:

her planet died. it was a planet of high order telepaths. it seems to me that what is implied in the scan is that the death cry of the planet's inhabitants is released in a massive surge of power, and it is the combined power of the race as they are dying that allows everyone, everywhere, to feel the pain and sympathize. looking at just the scans, the feat seems passive in the sense that she "hears" it--like the planet called to her, as opposed to her sending out her own thoughts across the universe. she 'hears' her people die, 'hears' 'the echoes'. she isn't linking everyone in sympathy here, imo, she seems to be following the release of power of the dying inhabitants, tapping into it as her people die.

cool if you disagree. again, not trying to low ball, but that's just how it feels to me. /shrug

Indeed, Titan's destruction WAS felt by all minds across the universe(and Sorcerers' World.) However, the only way Imra could have known this is because she was able to sense all of their collective thoughts/emotions simultaneously.

In this context, "hearing" equates to "sensing".

X-Man #63
Broken Creature Mentally dominated and TK ripped this poor sap.
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/36525523_X-Man_63_0011.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/36525524_X-Man_63_0012.jpg
He did so litteraly reality aways, before he/she reached Spiral. Fantastic View BTW.
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/36525525_X-Man_64_0008.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/36525526_X-Man_64_0009.jpg

Multiversal mind sharp shooter confirmed. 131fist

so you think she is capable of sensing the feelings of all the beings in the universe (and beyond) any time she wishes? hmm, i don't think i'd say that. the idea of sensing 'echoes' implies to me that she is getting SOME sense of an overwhelming feeling (sympathy) and she can sense that feeling.

i dunno if that means she could simply register all minds in the universe at once if they weren't feeling the same thing, under that particular circumstance.

i guess abhi had me thinking she just tapped into/read every mind and/or generated the sensation in every mind in the universe. i don't think that is what happened there. shrug

Originally posted by "Id"
X-Man #63
Broken Creature Mentally dominated and TK ripped this poor sap.
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/36525523_X-Man_63_0011.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/36525524_X-Man_63_0012.jpg
He did so litteraly reality aways, before he/she reached Spiral. Fantastic View BTW.
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/36525525_X-Man_64_0008.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/36525526_X-Man_64_0009.jpg

Multiversal mind sharp shooter confirmed. 131fist

lol

Originally posted by leonidas
so you think she is capable of sensing the feelings of all the beings in the universe (and beyond) any time she wishes? I think it was a very high-end feat for her -- which is essentially what everyone is posting.

All this telepath talk.....

Now direct your energies here!!!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t647202.html

Originally posted by Galan007
I think that she was able to preform the feat because she was at a multiversal nexus(ie. Vanishing Point) which allowed for such -- I thought it was pretty explicitly stated:
https://i.imgur.com/XjqdzwI.jpg

Similar to how/why SBP was able to alter the multiverse with physical strikes from within the Limbo/nexus realm:
https://i.imgur.com/hNlk2Dr.jpg

...Nexus points are funny that way. Not saying the feat isn't impressive(she still telepathically communicated/linked with a shit-ton of Legionnaires) -- just saying that it has a pretty big asterisk next to it. /shrug



That said, Imra has other feats that are FAR more impressive, imo. For example: using her TP to flash-read/sense every mind in the entire universe + Sorcerers' World, in the space of a single page:
https://i.imgur.com/471wCiF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e1DD0h1.jpg
*Keep in mind: Sorcerers' World = Gemworld = an entirely different dimension -- which makes her feat a LOT more impressive, as it means she was applying her TP cross-dimensionally.

...And again: she did that under her own power. No extenuating circumstances.



Personally, I find that feat a LOT more impressive than the showing from Lo3W. srug



Pre-crisis Ultra-Humanite was able to influence the JSA from another dimension. Not as impressive as Saturn Girl but still very uber.

Originally posted by leonidas
so what did the rings do iyo? why not just have her call for help? why the need for the rings?


To create portals to other times.

Because the TP call was across time and space. Not just across space or dimensions.

That's never established.

That was never stated. In fact one of her fractures travelled across realities hearing her psychic call.

He never accessed other universes on his own.

That's TK not TP.






ermm



It is beyond him because he has never done so. And what did I lowball?

Originally posted by "Id"
X-Man #63
Broken Creature Mentally dominated and TK ripped this poor sap.
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/36525523_X-Man_63_0011.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t/36525524_X-Man_63_0012.jpg
He did so litteraly reality aways, before he/she reached Spiral. Fantastic View BTW.
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/36525525_X-Man_64_0008.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t/36525526_X-Man_64_0009.jpg

Multiversal mind sharp shooter confirmed. 131fist
That's below Milton fine Brainiac level who convinced entire Earth and even fooled cameras that there was a corpse in Superman's coffin while he was in a coma on New Genesis.

Brainiac brainwashed entire Earth into seeing a corpse in superman's tomb while being a vegetable on New Genesis by just his subconscious mind which fooled even the most knowledgeable scientist on kryptonian physiology, Emil Hamilton several times.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383948_Superman_v2_094_-_09.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383960_Superman_v2_094_-_10.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383971_Superman_v2_094_-_22.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384137_ManOfSteel39p21.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16384054_ManOfSteel38p01.jpg

This was all done by just his subconscious mind while he was a universe away.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383894_AdventuresOfSuperman519p04.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383983_Superman_v2_095_-_20.jpg

He brainwashed the whole planet

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383911_AdventuresOfSuperman519p20.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16383923_AdventuresOfSuperman519p21.jpg

That was friggen crazy.

Originally posted by Zack M


Pre-crisis Ultra-Humanite was able to influence the JSA from another dimension. Not as impressive as Saturn Girl but still very uber.

If its the feat I'm thinking of it was Infinity Inc not the JSA. Specicially he controlled Jade. Obsidian, Fury, Nuklon, Silver Scarab and Northwind from Limbo. To be honest the feat of doing anything mentally powered in limbo was as impressive if not more so than the actual TP. The dimension was supposed to sap the will of anyone in it to even act. Its why the JLA used it as the prison for the pre COIE Crime Syndicate and both Hal Jordan and Alan Scot were shown unable to even make a decent construct there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
To create portals to other times.

Because the TP call was across time and space. Not just across space or dimensions.

That's never established.

That was never stated. In fact one of her fractures travelled across realities hearing her psychic call.

He never accessed other universes on his own.

That's TK not TP.






ermm



It is beyond him because he has never done so. And what did I lowball?

dude, she is at VANISHING POINT. she has access to ALL realities, including different times--via the portals that were opened and EXPLICITLY stated, on panel, to allow them to contact other legions. i mean ffs, a portal is open in your scans to the PAST. the portals were what trapper was going to use:

'trapper has access to legions across the multiverse, that means we do.'

can't be more clear that it is because of the portals they can communicate at all. but then why not just say 'imra, contact all of them', especially since she already understands what he is planning?

but no, instead he says--'garth amp the COMMUNICATIONS capabilities of the rings'. COMMUNICATIONS. the rings have NOTHING to do with opening portals. i mean, wtf? i truly have no idea where you are getting that idea from but it is manifestly wrong.

AFTER the COMMUNICATIONS powers of the rings are AMPED (so they can send a distress signal), THEN he tells imra--'YOU'RE ON AIR.' and guess what--she sends a distress signal to everyone.

let me guess--that's a coincidence? and we go on to see that even with the portals she needed the communications powers of the rings AND she needed the portals to be widened by cosmic boy for her powers to work.

a cool feat because she touched a lot of minds. absolutely NOT a multiversal feat for anyone who can understand what was going on there.

it's like bragging that i can punch hard enough for the person in the next room to feel it! then i reveal that i was standing in an open doorway and the person was standing right in front of me but in the next room.

done discussing this because it really doesn't warrant discussion and honestly isn't even open to interpretation. you need to really take an honest look at what happened here because bro, you're doing your girl more harm than good with this type of misrepresentation. /shrug

The feat is basically like Hulk at the nexus of all realities.

yep. or like i said earlier, surtur. explicitly NOT multiversal.

Originally posted by leonidas
dude, she is at VANISHING POINT. she has access to ALL realities, including different times--via the portals that were opened and EXPLICITLY stated, on panel, to allow them to contact other legions. i mean ffs, a portal is open in your scans to the PAST. the portals were what trapper was going to use:


Yes but she had to scan all those timelines to bring the legions.

The rings could travel across time when made connections with each other. That's how Superman traveled to the 31st century in the first issue.

You're trying to say as if that's amping her psychic powers.

The signal is what can draw the legions to the end of time. It didn't help her scan entire timelines.

You're just focused on the portals as if there was only that. Why would they even need to do a psychic call if just the rings could send a distress call.

And she was in stress because of a few dozen legions in her mind?

It's a multiversal feat because she scanned literally the entire multiverse for the Legion. Not because she made trans time Psi.

So just like Nate?

I never said she was doing a psychic feat across time.

And what did you do with Idris and Nate as if there wasn't context in what he did? Oh right, wanked him to all hell as multiversal telepath.