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Rank Silver Surfer among DCNU Heralds.

id say hes top herald.

dat versatility plus dat physical prowess.......





but unfortunately, this isn't cbr surfer, so his dumb ass will just shot blasts when he is capable of turning shit into black holes

Originally posted by ghostman
id say hes top herald.

dat versatility plus dat physical prowess.......





but unfortunately, this isn't cbr surfer, so his dumb ass will just shot blasts when he is capable of turning shit into black holes
Yup. Easily among the top 3 : Superman, Orion, Surfer.

Ditto.

He would be number 1.

Number 1.

He would be lucky to be in top 3.

Only the good ones, not Villains.
The one Presence aboe all aka Batman
1. Superman
2. Hal Jordan
3. Alan Scott
4. Flash (Wally/Barry)
5. Pre-DCnU Billy
6. Silver Surfer

He'd be top 5 if not top 3, but he'd never be written or portrayed as #1.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He'd be top 5 if not top 3, but he'd never be written or portrayed as #1.
IDK, DC seems to LOVE Surfer to be honest. Just look at his crossover performances... he's absolutely trashed Orion, has 2 clean wins over Kyle, shocked Supes by reversing Mxy's handiwork, had Parallax saying that he needed his power, and absorbed the the power of the GL central battery when Kyle couldn't. He wouldn't take over Supes's position as the flagship character, but it's not totally inconceivable that DC would show him as the most powerful hero. Not definitively of course(writers opinions will still vary just as they do now), but I have no doubt that he'd receive that nod more than most do. Surfer would be portrayed as an absolute beast if DC ever got their hands on him.

They have Cap Atom, and he's def up there in the pantheon, so to speak.

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK, DC seems to LOVE Surfer to be honest. Just look at his crossover performances... he's absolutely trashed Orion, has 2 clean wins over Kyle, shocked Supes by reversing Mxy's handiwork, had Parallax saying that he needed his power, and absorbed the the power of the GL central battery when Kyle couldn't. He wouldn't take over Supes's position as the flagship character, but it's not totally inconceivable that DC would show him as the most powerful hero. Not definitively of course(writers opinions will still vary just as they do now), but I have no doubt that he'd receive that nod more than most do. Surfer would be portrayed as an absolute beast if DC ever got their hands on him.

If he's in the top 3, he's obviously going to be written as a beast.

Honestly though, barring someone coming along that loves him as much as Johns loves Barry or Hal, I just don't see them making him their number one, even if he's powerful enough to compete for it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If he's in the top 3, he's obviously going to be written as a beast.

Honestly though, barring someone coming along that loves him as much as Johns loves Barry or Hal, I just don't see them making him their number one, even if he's powerful enough to compete for it.
Oh I agree, but I think someone like that would come along sooner rather than later. Hell all he'd need is for any of the guys writing the crossovers to put in charge of his DC book more than likely.

If Superman is a 100, then the Surfer would be a 107.

He's millions, maybe billions of times more powerful then DC's top heralds.

A bloodlusted Surfer should casually one shot Superman, the same way he should casually one shot Thor (Think what Airwalker did in Heroes Reborn. That's exactly how it should be when Norrin unloads on him.)

He is top 5 in a composite tier list. It stands to reason he would be a top dog in DC.

However DC Earth is stacked. Flash Duo, Superman, Dr Fate, Hal and Kyle etc..

I think he might break top 5, certainly not top 3.

Green Lanterns have superior feats to Silver Surfer, yet they still can't break top 3.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I agree, but I think someone like that would come along sooner rather than later. Hell all he'd need is for any of the guys writing the crossovers to put in charge of his DC book more than likely.

Assuming editorial let them, sure, but how long would that last? Writers are constantly changing books. I don't see him having the kind of repeated referencing in that kind of position as other characters, but maybe that's just me.

Originally posted by Philosophia
I think he might break top 5, certainly not top 3.

Green Lanterns have superior feats to Silver Surfer, yet they still can't break top 3.

Feats like?

Originally posted by darthgoober
IDK, DC seems to LOVE Surfer to be honest. Just look at his crossover performances... he's absolutely trashed Orion, has 2 clean wins over Kyle, shocked Supes by reversing Mxy's handiwork, had Parallax saying that he needed his power, and absorbed the the power of the GL central battery when Kyle couldn't. He wouldn't take over Supes's position as the flagship character, but it's not totally inconceivable that DC would show him as the most powerful hero. Not definitively of course(writers opinions will still vary just as they do now), but I have no doubt that he'd receive that nod more than most do. Surfer would be portrayed as an absolute beast if DC ever got their hands on him.
Uh, Cyborg Superman had him dancing like a ballerina while Henshaw literally laughed at his attacks. He also said that even at full power he had slim hopes of beating Kyle.

Kyle also defeated an amped Thanos and Parallax amped on his power and all Surfer did was contain the power which Kyle had already absorbed.

And what 2 wins over Kyle? The only win was fan voted win.

And no, Superman has already defeated both of Surfer peers Thor and Hulk more decisively than Surfer can do.

Originally posted by cdtm
He's millions, maybe billions of times more powerful then DC's top heralds.

A bloodlusted Surfer should casually one shot Superman, the same way he should casually one shot Thor (Think what Airwalker did in Heroes Reborn. That's exactly how it should be when Norrin unloads on him.)
Like he did to Henshaw, huh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, Cyborg Superman had him dancing like a ballerina while Henshaw literally laughed at his attacks. He also said that even at full power he had slim hopes of beating Kyle.

Kyle also defeated an amped Thanos and Parallax amped on his power and all Surfer did was contain the power which Kyle had already absorbed.

And what 2 wins over Kyle? The only win was fan voted win.

And no, Superman has already defeated both of Surfer peers Thor and Hulk more decisively than Surfer can do.

OMG, can't mention Surfer and DC in the same sentence without you freaking out and trying to lowball him lol.

The fight between him and Cyborg got interrupted.

Surfer did what Kyle couldn't, and as you pointed out he(Kyle) pulled out a pretty good performance in that book.

Their fight in Surfer/GL didn't reach a definite conclusion? I'm not calling you a liar about it, I just thought it did(been a while since I read it though).

Surfer's 2 shotted Hulk, that's more decisive than Supes did. Hell he one shotted him by your definition.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Assuming editorial let them, sure, but how long would that last? Writers are constantly changing books. I don't see him having the kind of repeated referencing in that kind of position as other characters, but maybe that's just me.
I'd agree with you in regards to most Marvel characters, it's only Surfer's repeated impressive preformances that makes me think otherwise. DC editorial doesn't seem to have an issue with Surfer's stock being set plenty high.

He would be in the top 5 for sure. The top 5 is stacked.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'd agree with you in regards to most Marvel characters, it's only Surfer's repeated impressive preformances that makes me think otherwise. DC editorial doesn't seem to have an issue with Surfer's stock being set plenty high.

To be fair, I don't think crossovers and how they're written would essentially translate exactly to continuity within the universe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like he did to Henshaw, huh?

How about what he did to Orion.

And didn't Superman himself claim Surfer was more powerful in their crossover?

Originally posted by -Pr-
To be fair, I don't think crossovers and how they're written would essentially translate exactly to continuity within the universe.
Oh I don't think crossovers will necessarily translate(especially one-offs), but Surfer's had 4 with different writers(at least I think) and each one painted him in a pretty spectacular light. By all indications, he'd be treated extemely well in DC. I'm not saying that he'd DEFINATELY be #1 powerwise if he took up permenant residence, just addressing your statement that he'd NEVER be #1.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I don't think crossovers will necessarily translate(especially one-offs), but Surfer's had 4 with different writers(at least I think) and each one painted him in a pretty spectacular light. By all indications, he'd be treated extemely well in DC. I'm not saying that he'd DEFINATELY be #1 powerwise if he took up permenant residence, just addressing your statement that he'd NEVER be #1.

I just think it's a bit more crowded at the top at DC than it is in Marvel, and even if he was made the number one guy, it wouldn't be for longer than an arc or two, is all.

Originally posted by cdtm
How about what he did to Orion.

And didn't Superman himself claim Surfer was more powerful in their crossover?
He didn't outright say that Surfer was more powerful, he was just shocked that Surfer could undo Mxy's handiwork.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I just think it's a bit more crowded at the top at DC than it is in Marvel, and even if he was made the number one guy, it wouldn't be for longer than an arc or two, is all.
Well as I said, I think he'd take the position more than most other characters, but I can totally understand opinions varying on that one. The limelight will always pass from character to character, I just think it'd settle on Surfer more than others cause he's been treated so well by DC.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well as I said, I think he'd take the position more than most other characters, but I can totally understand opinions varying on that one.

More than most could still easily put him in the top 5 or top 3, you know

Originally posted by -Pr-
More than most could still easily put him in the top 5 or top 3, you know
Yeah and #1 is part of the top 3 .

Originally posted by cdtm
How about what he did to Orion. This is his only impressive battle performance, and in the same issue he got one-shotted by Darkseid.

His other battle showings include:

a). get stalemated by Cyborg Superman
b). alongside Thor and Storm, could barely phase Darkseid

Superman and Wonder Woman have much better records in inter-company crossovers.

Originally posted by darthgoober
They didn't really "stalemate", the fight got interupted. That's not the same thing. You're right, Surfer was bailed out just as Cyborg was prepared to laugh off the Power Cosmic, after Surfer spent most of the time trying to dodge him.

I'll put the tick in Henshaw's side

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wow so you're sinkin to lowballing too... I'm not suprised lol Facts aren't lowballing, they're facts. Surfer was dodging him, and Henshaw was mocking the power cosmic's potency, before Parallax intervened.

Not my fault your boy can't overcome a half-assed Superman

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're just trying to spin the fact that Surfer showed supperior combat speed to a kryptonian with a cybernetic brain lol

Well, if he couldn't overpower him Henshaw, at least he had the common sense to get the hell out of fire

He's lucky Hal was there, otherwise some humiliation was about to ensue.

Originally posted by cdtm
Feats like? Hal killing Krona with one blast, for example.

There's a whole thread on this forum that elaborates on Green Lanterns matching Surfer feat for feat.

Top 3

Originally posted by Phil
Hal killing Krona with one blast, for example.

There's a whole thread on this forum that elaborates on Green Lanterns matching Surfer feat for feat. There's also him making Nekron --the universal embodiment of death/oblivion-- his personal slave twice in the same comic.

Originally posted by Galan007
There's also him making Nekron --the universal embodiment of death/oblivion-- his personal slave twice in the same comic.

If Hal was a herald, people would be arguing he'd beat the whole Justice League.

Originally posted by cdtm
He's millions, maybe billions of times more powerful then DC's top heralds.

A bloodlusted Surfer should casually one shot Superman, the same way he should casually one shot Thor (Think what Airwalker did in Heroes Reborn. That's exactly how it should be when Norrin unloads on him.)

Huh, what are you talking about? Surfer can't do shit to his peers. His blasts are meaningless on average. Surfer is a beast against fodder or beings below him. But he can't compete with any trans or skyfathers even at his best. Superman and Hal has.

Superman has feats that are above millions of times beyond anything Surfer as done. But I'm just looking at average portrayals.

Anyway, Surfer would be in the top 3 (probably #2). This is being generous. He just jobs too much.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh please, in a story where he outclassed Kyle and even Parallax needed Surfer's power he'd have absolutely wasted Cyborg if the fight hadn't been interupted

I'm not into fan-fiction, sorry.

All Surfer was good for in that story is to almost drop the soap against Cyborg Superman and then be the dumpster after Kyle single-handedly depowers both Parallax and Thanos.

If you want to see how a real top 3 hero handles Cyborg Superman, I'll lend you some Superman scans

Originally posted by darthgoober
Keep telling yourself that and you might start to believe it yourself

Irony is thy name

Originally posted by darthgoober
he'd have absolutely wasted Cyborg if the fight hadn't been interupted

Originally posted by darthgoober
As much as you accuse me of bias in Surfer's favor, it's funny to see you insinuate that I don't believe he'd win against Henshaw lol On the other hand, I see 'reading comprehension' isn't thy name.

Originally posted by darthgoober
OMG, can't mention Surfer and DC in the same sentence without you freaking out and trying to lowball him lol.

What lowball?



Until then Henshaw pretty much laughed at him and him dancing like ballerina to dodge his HV attacks.

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Oddly enough, Surfer didn't boast "Hey, I'm impervious to HV. My fans always say so, it must be true".



Surfer only stored the energies which Kyle had already absorbed. Nothing more.

He was a battery.



Kyle had the advantage over him actually but Surfer was weakened.



Are you talking about Savage Hulk who was getting beaten up by Namor some issues later and had trouble with armies?

By absorbing his energy. In a raw power fight, Hulk has already trumped Surfer several times like in the fight in The Order, in Sub Mariner 34 etc.

How about Thor though? Hell, how about him and Adam Warlock against Thor?

Originally posted by cdtm
How about what he did to Orion.

And didn't Superman himself claim Surfer was more powerful in their crossover?
Orion is just a ginger anyway. Brainiac oneshotted him and lightray together and Superman just kicked the shit out of him.

Not even close. Superman actually beat up Impossible Man in that crossover who was somehow a peer to Mxy.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh please, in a story where he outclassed Kyle and even Parallax needed Surfer's power he'd have absolutely wasted Cyborg if the fight hadn't been interupted
This is how someone outclasses. Surfer vs Cuborg under Marz was posted above.

Cyborg vs Superman under Marz.

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He is initially weakened by red sun in Kandor. As soon as he gets at full power, he wrecks Cyborg like nothing.

And don't forget Surfer's scintillating performance against parademons.

http://i.imgur.com/oQJAGFn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nWWJGYq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2hnMZD2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EN5PZOl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6mnyPxt.jpg

A few parademons overpowered him.

Numero uno.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wow so you're sinkin to lowballing too... I'm not suprised lol

He has Surfer envy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What lowball?

Hey if you don't understand what it means to lowball, that's on you...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Until then Henshaw pretty much laughed at him and him dancing like ballerina to dodge his HV attacks.

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Oddly enough, Surfer didn't boast "Hey, I'm impervious to HV. My fans always say so, it must be true".

Henshaw didn't laugh a single time that I can see. So what I'm hearing in regards to the various opinions in regards to Surfer is that if Surfer gets hit in a fight, it's proof that he has no combat speed. If he uses combat speed to dodge, it proof that he can't take the hits being dished out. If he uses versatility to win, it's proof that he can't win a fight strait up. If he doesn't use versatility to win, it's proof he normally fights like a brick... gee he just can't do anything to impress you, huh? And you wonder why everyone says you lowball him every chance you get...


Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer only stored the energies which Kyle had already absorbed. Nothing more.

He was a battery.

So he did something it was specifically shown Kyle couldn't do... right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kyle had the advantage over him actually but Surfer was weakened.

Very possible, as I said it's been years since I actually read the story. All I remember is that Surfer came away looking more impressive overall. At some point that obviously shifted into thinking it was an outright win, but hey I can admit it when I remember something incorrectly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you talking about Savage Hulk who was getting beaten up by Namor some issues later and had trouble with armies?

Yup. Surfer beat him more cleanly than Supes did.

Originally posted by abhilegend
By absorbing his energy. In a raw power fight, Hulk has already trumped Surfer several times like in the fight in The Order, in Sub Mariner 34 etc.
No not by absorbing his energy. By strait up KOing him for several minutes with a shot from his surf board. Point is, he's got a more impressive win over Hulk than Supes, when you said that he didn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about Thor though? Hell, how about him and Adam Warlock against Thor?
In a single, seriously controversial arc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion is just a ginger anyway. Brainiac oneshotted him and lightray together and Superman just kicked the shit out of him.

Not even close. Superman actually beat up Impossible Man in that crossover who was somehow a peer to Mxy.
He wasn't a peer to Mxy, just a counterpart because of their joking nature. And he beat IM in the form of Super Skrull... and with some difficulty.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey if you don't understand what it means to lowball, that's on you...

Everything that doesn't puts Surfer over is lowballing to surfer fans.





He outright says "Is this extent of your power?' after shrugging off his blast.

That's basically laughing at his power.



Surfer dodging a few HV blasts puts his in street level character's categories.

But tell me again why did Surfer dodge HV attacks? Isn't he pretty much immune to HV as per you?






Yes, that he was a rookie and couldn't control that much power. Surfer had experience over him and his entire body being a battery.

Kyle showed superior energy manipulation and did what Surfer has never done.

He actually beat Thanos who was hugely amped to begin with.





All Surfer received was lip service. He didn't look anymore impressive than Kyle.





TTA 93 where he hit Hulk with his board? Hulk was never shown koed, he was stated to be groggy.

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Hulk had Surfer on his knees in one hit though. And the Hulk Superman fought was explicitly stronger than savage Hulk ever was.





Its not a controversial arc at all. Its only among surfer fans though.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He wasn't a peer to Mxy, just a counterpart because of their joking nature. And he beat IM in the form of Super Skrull... and with some difficulty.
He fought Mxy for several pages.

Superman beat him earlier than Mxy did. As always Surfer gets the lip service and Superman gets all the feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Everything that doesn't puts Surfer over is lowballing to surfer fans.





He outright says "Is this extent of your power?' after shrugging off his blast.

That's basically laughing at his power.



Surfer dodging a few HV blasts puts his in street level character's categories.

But tell me again why did Surfer dodge HV attacks? Isn't he pretty much immune to HV as per you?






Yes, that he was a rookie and couldn't control that much power. Surfer had experience over him and his entire body being a battery.

Kyle showed superior energy manipulation and did what Surfer has never done.

He actually beat Thanos who was hugely amped to begin with.





All Surfer received was lip service. He didn't look anymore impressive than Kyle.





TTA 93 where he hit Hulk with his board? Hulk was never shown koed, he was stated to be groggy.

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Hulk had Surfer on his knees in one hit though. And the Hulk Superman fought was explicitly stronger than savage Hulk ever was.





Its not a controversial arc at all. Its only among surfer fans though.

Looks like Surfer was unhurt by Hulk's attack. Being knocked down does not = injured.

You can knock down Juggernaut, too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Everything that doesn't puts Surfer over is lowballing to surfer fans.
Well that's just outright untrue. There are plenty of things in Surfer's history that wouldn't qualify as lowballing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He outright says "Is this extent of your power?' after shrugging off his blast.

That's basically laughing at his power.

You never actually see the state of Henshaw. He's being blasted by Parallax in the panel after he's being blasted by Surfer and him saying "Is that the extent of your power" in and of itself is not indicative of Surfer being totally unable to hurt him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer dodging a few HV blasts puts his in street level character's categories.

But tell me again why did Surfer dodge HV attacks? Isn't he pretty much immune to HV as per you?

Ah of course, your denial of Surfer's super speed, right on time...

He's immune to heat, but there's a concussive effect to HV too. I do question just how HV would fair against him because of his immunity to heat and HV being reflected off of mirrors before, but hey... why risk it if he doesn't have to?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, that he was a rookie and couldn't control that much power. Surfer had experience over him and his entire body being a battery.

Kyle showed superior energy manipulation and did what Surfer has never done.

He actually beat Thanos who was hugely amped to begin with.

Do you not even see the circles you're running in here? You're simultaneously saying that Surfer only did something Kyle couldn't because Kyle was a rookie so it's not impressive while at the same time saying that Kyle did something more impressive than Surfer ever has right before Surfer's feat lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
All Surfer received was lip service. He didn't look anymore impressive than Kyle.

I'm sure opinions vary...

Originally posted by abhilegend
TTA 93 where he hit Hulk with his board? Hulk was never shown koed, he was stated to be groggy.

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Hulk had Surfer on his knees in one hit though. And the Hulk Superman fought was explicitly stronger than savage Hulk ever was.

Still groggy and just starting to regain his strength minutes later... if you can't understand that Hulk was KO'd there then there's just no help for you.

He knocked Surfer down.. big whoop lol. And you're backtracking. You said that Supes had more decisively than Surfer could... that's obviously wrong because Surfer has the most decisive win against Hulk of pretty much any herald level character.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not a controversial arc at all. Its only among surfer fans though.

Sure it is. It's been debated extensively and even some Thor fans question it's validity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He fought Mxy for several pages.

Superman beat him earlier than Mxy did. As always Surfer gets the lip service and Superman gets all the feats.


They fought by taking the forms of other characters. He never actually matched Mxy's power, it was "Hulk vs Doomsday" and such.

Top 5. He'd rank in the top 5.

Originally posted by riv6672
Top 5. He'd rank in the top 5. You already admitted you don't know enough about the Hulk on the other board. Your opinion doesn't count.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You already admitted you don't know enough about the Hulk on the other board. Your opinion doesn't count.

He did?

I admitted a fight between Firestorm and Hulk was too close for me to call. I also made fun of quan calling another poster a fanboy (since he's the poster child), and he seems to have taken offense to that.

For an attention whore like me, his inability to let these things go is rather enjoyable

But yeah, top 5.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You already admitted you don't know enough about the Hulk on the other board. Your opinion doesn't count.

Riv, knows virtually nothing about comics!

What is the revelation?

Originally posted by riv6672
I admitted a fight between Firestorm and Hulk was too close for me to call. I also made fun of quan calling another poster a fanboy (since he's the poster child), and he seems to have taken offense to that.

For an attention whore like me, his inability to let these things go is rather enjoyable You said you didn't know enough about these characters to weigh in but here you apparently have become knowledgeable about the entire dcu in a week or so. Your opinion doesn't count since you've admitted ignorance. You embarrass yourself all the time. You want to argue comics when you know next to nothing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said you didn't know enough about these characters to weigh in
Actually, this is what i said



Shouldn't Firestorm be able to muck with gamma radiation?

Thats why i said it was interesting...-thumbs up-




If by ignorance you mean not just choosing a character because i like him better, but admitting its a fight i cant call?

Then yeah.

You're a fanboy.


I know both characters you don't. Ignorant posters need to remain silent so they can learn. Don't touch your keyboard just soak all this in. Yw.


Not calling a winner doesnt mean i dont know the characters.
....
You calling ... a fanboy when you're one yourself and me making fun of you for it really seems to have chapped your ass.

I love it.




And what you've been twisting into your own version of events.
I edited, but only because the things i said to you there exceed the PG 13 rating of this site.

See later quan.

Yes, you admitted you're too ignorant to make the call with regards to two charters but suddenly you have an opinion comparing Surfer to the dcu heralds. If you can't see the embarrassment then just log out for good.

Take a look under my username, quan.
I've been outlasting posters who've had beef with me for going on 17 years, which is likely longer than you've been alive. Most of them with way more mental acumen than you've got.

You'll break yourself against the massive wall that is my ego long before i run out of ways to laugh at you.

-laughs at quan-

Originally posted by h1a8
Huh, what are you talking about? Surfer can't do shit to his peers. His blasts are meaningless on average. Surfer is a beast against fodder or beings below him. But he can't compete with any trans or skyfathers even at his best. Superman and Hal has.

Superman has feats that are above millions of times beyond anything Surfer as done. But I'm just looking at average portrayals.

Anyway, Surfer would be in the top 3 (probably #2). This is being generous. He just jobs too much.


Lay off the drugs.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh, Cyborg Superman had him dancing like a ballerina while Henshaw literally laughed at his attacks. He also said that even at full power he had slim hopes of beating Kyle.

Kyle also defeated an amped Thanos and Parallax amped on his power and all Surfer did was contain the power which Kyle had already absorbed.

And what 2 wins over Kyle? The only win was fan voted win.

And no, Superman has already defeated both of Surfer peers Thor and Hulk more decisively than Surfer can do.

Surfer made mincemeat out of Henshaw so wake up from your fanboy coma. Henshaw would have been killed a long time ago in Marvel.

Originally posted by riv6672
Take a look under my username, quan.
I've been outlasting posters who've had beef with me for going on 17 years, which is likely longer than you've been alive. Most of them with way more mental acumen than you've got.

You'll break yourself against the massive wall that is my ego long before i run out of ways to laugh at you. You don't know enough to actively engage anyone. Just because you're still there doesn't mean you make an impact. If you think you'll outlast me you're sadly mistaken.

It doesn't take a lot of mental acumen against a self admitted ignoramus.

Originally posted by riv6672
-laughs at quan- You just have a really low self esteem. Calm down.

Back to the program, it's pretty simple. Thor, Superman, Gladiator, Hyperion, Captain Marvel, they are all portrayed as peers. When ranking them against each other, we have to consider their power sets. Surfer runs away with this.

^Everyone there is physically stronger than thor

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
^Everyone there is physically stronger than thor
Far stronger or stronger, but still a peer?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Back to the program, it's pretty simple. Thor, Superman, Gladiator, Hyperion, Captain Marvel, they are all portrayed as peers. When ranking them against each other, we have to consider their power sets. Surfer runs away with this.
Sheer versatility does it for him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You just have a really low self esteem. Calm down.
-calmly laughs at quan-

Originally posted by riv6672
Sheer versatility does it for him.


-calmly laughs at quan- Says the guy demodded in shame.

speaking of shame, how's that person i mentioned at HC? Making any money yet or still doing it for the lulz?

Originally posted by riv6672
speaking of shame, how's that person i mentioned at HC? Making any money yet or still doing it for the lulz? ?

Originally posted by cdtm
Looks like Surfer was unhurt by Hulk's attack. Being knocked down does not = injured.

You can knock down Juggernaut, too.
Surfer was on his knees with one attack.

Juggernaut gets hurt too.

Juggernaut gets staggered. He still has human biology and relies on his inner ears for balance and such.

But outside of a few very marginal showings (Looking at you, Onslaught), he's always been 100% invulnerable to any physical injury. Superman can beat on him all day, and it would be like you or me hitting a brick wall all day.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well that's just outright untrue. There are plenty of things in Surfer's history that wouldn't qualify as lowballing.

Like? Unless its Thanos, everything else is lowballing for surfer fans. Heck, some argue that Odin oneshotting Surfer is a low showing for him.

You surfer fans are fickle as ****.





Uh, what? He is completely fine and asking if that's the best surfer can do?

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/GLSSUA-0012.jpg

There you go.



Of course it is. Surfer was staggered by one of his blasts and he actually thinks that. Henshaw quite literally asks if that's the best Surfer can do.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/GLSSUA-0005.jpg

There is no way to spin it in Surfer's favor.





Its not denial. Cyborg has never displayed superspeed either. Superman has blitzed him on his leisure.

You think dodging a few HV blast is some kind of superspeed when its done by agility?



Heh, that's not what you said in the past.



Since when Surfer became Spider-Man and started dodging attacks?

And no, he is not immune to heat.

And I'll answer it for you, he was staggered by the first blast and HV would've damaged him further or defeated him entirely. The writer made it clear that Surfer would be ****ed taking on HV though.

Here is how a actual damaging energy blast works. Mind you Cyborg is more powerful than ever due to apokolptian tech.

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32664288_hacsahunter-prey-02-43.jpg





Yes, experience does matter in storing power. Kyle showed superior energy manipulation by far when he drained Oan power and power cosmic from an amped Thanos and amped Parallax.

Surfer has never done such a feat.

Surfer is impressive as a dumpster for energy though.



But facts don't. Otherwise show me Surfer ever beating Thanos by energy manipulation.





Still groggy. Not knocked out or beaten.

Learn to read first.



He had Surfer on his knees in one attack after overpowering his force field.

Surfer was lucky Hulk didn't follow through on his attacks.



Surfer didn't actually beat Hulk though. Hulk was at best stunned for a few minutes just like Surfer was stunned from just one Hulk punch.

And yes, Superman punching out merged Hulk who was stronger than savage hulk is far more impressive.





Nobody cares. Its in print and two of Surfer's most extensive writers showed him losing to Thor twice.

It just stings, doesn't it?




Seriously? I mean seriously? Did you think they literally became Hulk and Doomsday?

It was their own powers you buffoon.

Guys, no crossovers.

And seriously, try to be more civil. One person has already been banned tonight. Bada is in that kind of mood...

Originally posted by cdtm
Juggernaut gets staggered. He still has human biology and relies on his inner ears for balance and such.

But outside of a few very marginal showings (Looking at you, Onslaught), he's always been 100% invulnerable to any physical injury. Superman can beat on him all day, and it would be like you or me hitting a brick wall all day.
Haha, what? Juggernaut in his entire history has never been immune to harm.



Have fun with all these scans.

He would be competing for number 1 spot. Top 3 at worst

Top spot.

Bump