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Marvel Team: 616, Standard Gear
DC Team: Post-Crisis/Post-Flashpoint, Standard Gear

Current or pictured versions?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Current or pictured versions?

"Marvel Team: 616, Standard Gear
DC Team: Post-Crisis/Post-Flashpoint, Standard Gear"

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
"Marvel Team: 616, Standard Gear
DC Team: Post-Crisis/Post-Flashpoint, Standard Gear"

Team two for a healthy majority then

You do know what a Thor can do with two Mjolnirs right? Team Asgard 10/10 with the one shot. This is a slaughter.

So orion can drop a big bang in the same time Thor can click two hammers together? Not happening. Thors win with the one shot.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
You do know what a Thor can do with two Mjolnirs right? Team Asgard 10/10 with the one shot. This is a slaughter.

There arent two mjolnirs in the fight

Team 1 STOMPS. Team 2 makes it a challenge but team one is overall more powerful. Any of the Thor's could either beat or hang with Orion. Barda can not beat anyone on team one and Kalibak just outright sucks. He loses to anyone on team 1. This is a clean 10/10 imo

Originally posted by carver9
Team 1 STOMPS. Team 2 makes it a challenge but team one is overall more powerful. Any of the Thor's could either beat or hang with Orion. Barda can not beat anyone on team one and Kalibak just outright sucks. He loses to anyone on team 1. This is a clean 10/10 imo

Naw. Jane is a noob with the hammer despite it's sentience she isnt a fighter. She loses to Barda. Orion beats bill and Kalibak destroys odinson.

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Originally posted by Sin I AM
Naw. Jane is a noob with the hammer despite it's sentience she isnt a fighter. She loses to Barda. Orion beats bill and Kalibak destroys odinson.

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So she stalemate Thor, fight evenly against Kurse who was said to have the Beyonder amp, stalemate Odin but you don't think she can beat anyone there. Jane IS a high Herald, easily and is just as powerful as the real deal. Anyone who has been keeping up with Aaron work knows this.

I also think this is a beastly showing as well...

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Team 1 smash Team 2.

Jane is the newest in the team, but she held her own so much in her current series, its hard to win against her. BRB is a standard beast, much greater than Kalibak, but I think Orion can take down BRB.

Shoot, maybe BRB + Jane is more then enough for the Team 2.

Originally posted by carver9
So she stalemate Thor, fight evenly against Kurse who was said to have the Beyonder amp, stalemate Odin but you don't think she can beat anyone there. Jane IS a high Herald, easily and is just as powerful as the real deal. Anyone who has been keeping up with Aaron work knows this.

I have been reading it. There's context to alot of that but u should know that.n She is not a peer of classic Thor imo. Mid herald yes. High Herald no. In any event i still feels she loses to barda with her mr. Better fighter, stronger, more durable

No, just no. I'm not here to convince you though.

New Gods win.

I'd argue Barda and Kalibak are WW level maybe even javing greater feats like the continent one, and Orion more on Superman's so I don't see how anyone stomps?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'd argue Barda and Kalibak are WW level maybe even javing greater feats like the continent one, and Orion more on Superman's so I don't see how anyone stomps?

The fights are competitive no matter who's matched up save odinson. He is neither as strong or as durable as he use to be. I cant see him breaking even let alone winning against anyone with his current mindset

Isn't he welding ultimate Mljonir right now?

No. He's trying to though.

Aw, ok. Ive yet to pick up Odinson's current series. Appreciate the info.

Team Asgard stomps. Barda and Kalibak would get stomped by either of Team Asgard, even Jane Thor. Orion is the only one who can take on a Thor evenly and if he manages to win he wouldn't be in any shape to do much else.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Team Asgard stomps. Barda and Kalibak would get stomped by either of Team Asgard, even Jane Thor. Orion is the only one who can take on a Thor evenly and if he manages to win he wouldn't be in any shape to do much else.

The same Odinson who cant handle Ulik and gets trashed by mooks? Kalibak will own him. Jane id give you..she's moving up the charts but a newbie Thor isnt taking a majority over Orion. Bill could be a game changer but imo it's still 2 on 3 until Thor gets a hammer he is the weak link.

Warrior Madness Odindon will trash anybody here, or cut them in half with Jarnborn. Unless we go by pics, then there is two mjolnirs on deck and team w is one shotted

He has his hammer here.

Lol. How do you not read OPs?
Not using the pictured versions.

Think Kalibak is being underrated. Keep in mind this is Post-Crisis. Who on his good days has been able to trade blows with Orion and Superman, break GL constructs, and take down other New Gods as well.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Warrior Madness Odindon will trash anybody here, or cut them in half with Jarnborn. Unless we go by pics, then there is two mjolnirs on deck and team w is one shotted

Naw he gets put down easily..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Think Kalibak is being underrated. Keep in mind this is Post-Crisis. Who on his good days has been able to trade blows with Orion and Superman, break GL constructs, and take down other New Gods as well.

this^^

Naw he doesent, somebody gets cut in half easily enough though

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Naw he doesent, somebody gets cut in half easily enough though

So even though he's been getting his ass handed to him since he lost hia hammer. Even though he hasnt won a fight since he's been off world. Hes going to all of a sudden get a w against superior foes? Nay.

Barda could just stand there and wait for Thor Girl to die from her cancer.

Actually, he soloed apoc,absorbing man,the summers brothers at one time.

He beat a worthy Loki, he stalemated Jane with no hammer, heragdolled bill who wasnt fighting back but still.

Any more incorrect statements? Because he hasnt been in an actual conclusive fight outside of those. Hes been chained up for months. Nice try though.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Actually, he soloed apoc,absorbing man,the summers brothers at one time.

He beat a worthy Loki, he stalemated Jane with no hammer, heragdolled bill who wasnt fighting back but still.

Any more incorrect statements? Because he hasnt been in an actual conclusive fight outside of those. Hes been chained up for months. Nice try though.

Nice fail though

How many people must i school today. Creel is an idiot. Apoc got beaten by a plot weapon. Lmao at the insignificance that is the summers. He LOST to unworthy Loki, he barely stalemated a holding back Jane. And lmao at Bill who was practically begging him to calm down all the while offering up stormbringer.

Read more comics and stop regurgitating stuff u don't know

Negative. You made a false statement. Dont try to back your way out of it

And Ive read all of them. You also failed to answer my question. Which fights did he lose? Like I said aside from those, he had none. So your statement was fakse. Not mine. Read more comics instead if just saying what you want to be true.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
And Ive read all of them. You also failed to answer my question. Which fights did he lose? Like I said aside from those, he had none. So your statement was fakse. Not mine. Read more comics instead if just saying what you want to be true.

If you classify those as wins then there's nothing left to talk about. Surely u dont get context

I can never see how the New Gods ever loses fights again being that are meant to be below them.

What I mean is, in one comic, we are literally being shown brand New Gods creating planets and the likes.

In another comic, were told that the New Gods are literal giants, and it's the Mother Box that shrinks them to size so they can interact with lower life forms.

So, when I see any character beat a New Gods, I can never wrap my mind around it. This holds true in comics and forums fights too me.

Originally posted by SquallX
I can never see how the New Gods ever loses fights again being that are meant to be below them.

What I mean is, in one comic, we are literally being shown brand New Gods creating planets and the likes.

In another comic, were told that the New Gods are literal giants, and it's the Mother Box that shrinks them to size so they can interact with lower life forms.

So, when I see any character beat a New Gods, I can never wrap my mind around it. This holds true in comics and forums fights too me.

I think it had alot to do with judeo christian concepts/toning down characters to match superman/lack of continuity

This is obviously a major crossover event, so:

Team New Gods, because Thor gets NO RESPECT in Marvel events. NO RESPECT.

Now, if it was team Mutant, they'd probably stomp. Because Marvel gives a shit about Mutants, one of their core cash cows.

^^^not any more they dont. Its all about Inhumans.

Team Asgard wins. Anyone who's putting Kalibak and Barda on the same level as (a) Thor is pissing against the wind.
I like underdog wins more than most but 3 Thors take this; Orion simply cant carry his team to victory.
Or spell victory.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think it had alot to do with judeo christian concepts/toning down characters to match superman/lack of continuity

I just usually takes it with authors refusing to follow continuity. Which in many regards is a great shame and disservice to the New Gods

Originally posted by SquallX
I just usually takes it with authors refusing to follow continuity. Which in many regards is a great shame and disservice to the New Gods

I honestly don't think it'd be possible considering the fluidity/fluctuating nature of comics.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^not any more they dont. Its all about Inhumans.

Team Asgard wins. Anyone who's putting Kalibak and Barda on the same level as (a) Thor is pissing against the wind.
I like underdog wins more than most but 3 Thors take this; Orion simply cant carry his team to victory.
Or spell victory.

In team NG's defense, the Mega Rod did one shot KO Superman. In the old sex tape story (Look it up on Atop the Fourt Wall: Linkara.)

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^not any more they dont. Its all about Inhumans.

Team Asgard wins. Anyone who's putting Kalibak and Barda on the same level as (a) Thor is pissing against the wind.
I like underdog wins more than most but 3 Thors take this; Orion simply cant carry his team to victory.
Or spell victory.

Kalibak actually is a good physical match to Orion. Barda is every bit a warrior as Jane Thor. Physical stats matches up well with Wonder Woman. Not to mention that they have 2 mother boxes and a father box, which are way more versatile than the hammers. And as a matter of fact, Orion is technically advanced and is not portrayed as an idiot as you are trying to play him as. I agree that Orion can't carry his team to victory, though, but he wouldn't have to.

Originally posted by Faceless808
Kalibak actually is a good physical match to Orion. Barda is every bit a warrior as Jane Thor. Physical stats matches up well with Wonder Woman. Not to mention that they have 2 mother boxes and a father box, which are way more versatile than the hammers. And as a matter of fact, Orion is technically advanced and is not portrayed as an idiot as you are trying to play him as. I agree that Orion can't carry his team to victory, though, but he wouldn't have to.

I think Kalibak/Ulik both get affected with that punching bag syndrome. People forget how uber they can be when they cut loose.

Originally posted by Faceless808
Kalibak actually is a good physical match to Orion. Barda is every bit a warrior as Jane Thor. Physical stats matches up well with Wonder Woman. Not to mention that they have 2 mother boxes and a father box, which are way more versatile than the hammers. And as a matter of fact, Orion is technically advanced and is not portrayed as an idiot as you are trying to play him as. I agree that Orion can't carry his team to victory, though, but he wouldn't have to.

Barda also took WW 1M out..

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I think Kalibak/Ulik both get affected with that punching bag syndrome. People forget how uber they can be when they cut loose.


Absolutely!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Barda also took WW 1M out..


NICE!! I didn't know that!

Originally posted by Faceless808
NICE!! I didn't know that!

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Considering how amped all the other members of the JL1M were, that's not a bad feat. Mind you, she DID borrow Steel's particle cannon...

And, briefly, she supported the weight of a continent.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And, briefly, she supported the weight of a continent.
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Non feat. She did try though

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Considering how amped all the other members of the JL1M were, that's not a bad feat. Mind you, she DID borrow Steel's particle cannon...

True.

Probably could have done as well with the Mega Rod. (Want to bet Kirby knew exactly how that sounded when he wrote that? Mega Rod. Barda loves her Mega Rod.)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Considering how amped all the other members of the JL1M were, that's not a bad feat. Mind you, she DID borrow Steel's particle cannon...


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He clearly wasn't trying to defend himself, but it's still Superman she caught off guard. And a KO to a healthy Kal using pure force is impressive no matter the context.

^^The mega-rod is pretty bad-ass. Kalibak also had a club he used. Do you remember what it was called?

I'd argue Barda is stronger than Diana, but Diana is faster than Barda

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Considering how amped all the other members of the JL1M were, that's not a bad feat. Mind you, she DID borrow Steel's particle cannon...

During CONVERGENCE, Wonder Woman One Million fought Ultraman and did ok at first and better as she drained him(how she won), got compared to Superwoman by Ultraman, and fought evenly(though lost IIRC) against Superwoman. This was the Pre-CRISIS Crime Syndicate.

Originally posted by Faceless808
^^The mega-rod is pretty bad-ass. Kalibak also had a club he used. Do you remember what it was called?
Beta Club

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'd argue Barda is stronger than Diana, but Diana is faster than Barda

Naah. It has been said too many times that Wonder Woman is the strongest female.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah. It has been said too many times that Wonder Woman is the strongest female.

Too bad she's actually third strongest.....at best. vin

Originally posted by carver9
Naah. It has been said too many times that Wonder Woman is the strongest female.

Feats > Statements. Is how I always saw it working on the Battleforums.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Feats > Statements. Is how I always saw it working on the Battleforums.

I generally agree, but what does Barda have for you to think she's stronger? The best I've seen for her was her sparring match with Wonder Woman, and she didn't look superior to me.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Feats > Statements. Is how I always saw it working on the Battleforums.

What fts does she have that puts her on let alone above WW level.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah. It has been said too many times that Wonder Woman is the strongest female.

Uh oh, Carver's arguing for Wonder Woman. That means she'll almost certainly lose.

Originally posted by cdtm
Uh oh, Carver's arguing for Wonder Woman. That means she'll almost certainly lose.

One of my favorite arguments with him was when he was bringing-up Wonder Woman stalemating Amazo in my Orion vs Wonder Woman topic to argue Wonder Woman>Orion(he did that too to argue Wonder Woman>Maxima in the appropriate thread) and when I posted all these times he said Amazo isn't all that impressive, including bringing-up Wonder Woman stalemating him, when he finally replied(after I brought it to his attention elsewhere), his response was a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify him using it FOR Wonder Woman after previously using it multiple times AGAINST Amazo.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Beta Club

That's it! Thank you! It was pretty bad ass, too, until Orion broke it! LOL!

Originally posted by carver9
What fts does she have that puts her on let alone above WW level.

Wonder Woman was losing until she used flight. She couldn't beat Barda straight up

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wonder Woman was losing until she used flight. She couldn't beat Barda straight up

Which fight?

Originally posted by carver9
Which fight?

The fight where Diana was losing till she took flight. Barda is stronger Diana is faster. Everything else is a wash especially fighting skills. Diana holds the edge with innate flight, barda requires her mega rod. Etc etc...u should know this. Arent u a wonder woman buff?

Originally posted by Delta1938
I generally agree, but what does Barda have for you to think she's stronger? The best I've seen for her was her sparring match with Wonder Woman, and she didn't look superior to me.


Originally posted by carver9
What fts does she have that puts her on let alone above WW level.
Supporting the weight of a continent/North America most likely even briefly is better than anything I've see Diana do by herself. Most of Diana's strength feats don't exceed a city scope.

They're probably even in strength.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
The fight where Diana was losing till she took flight. Barda is stronger Diana is faster. Everything else is a wash especially fighting skills. Diana holds the edge with innate flight, barda requires her mega rod. Etc etc...u should know this. Arent u a wonder woman buff?

Barda said something about their weapons, too. If she had her favorite to counter flight, instead of the one she was stuck with.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Supporting the weight of a continent/North America most likely even briefly is better than anything I've see Diana do by herself. Most of Diana's strength feats don't exceed a city scope.

Diana's 2 best strength feat is helping Kal, Lantern move the Earth. Her absolute highest, is helping lift Spectre. Same Spectre that's said to be infinite.

Originally posted by SquallX
Diana's 2 best strength feat is helping Kal, Lantern move the Earth. Her absolute highest, is helping lift Spectre. Same Spectre that's said to be infinite.

Shared feat

Hence the caveat, by herself.

Edit: Stop stealing my lines, Sin.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hence the caveat, by herself.

Edit: Stop stealing my lines, Sin.

Well shared feats are non feats unless they are quantifiable and explicitly stated to be lifting equal amounts of said weight. Like weve all lifted furniture before...sometimes it's equal sometimes less/more..u get the drift

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well shared feats are non feats unless they are quantifiable and explicitly stated to be lifting equal amounts of said weight. Like weve all lifted furniture before...sometimes it's equal sometimes less/more..u get the drift
Don't know why shared feats are non feats.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't know why shared feats are non feats.
Diana has never moved the Earth, and neither did she lift Spectre. I wish people would read the stories they brought up.

Superman and her helped break Spectre's fall. Eternity isn't a measurement of weight.

Also shared feats are questionable because you don't know how much each character is attributing.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace


Eternity isn't a measurement of weight.



They called Eternity "heavy", so in this case it was.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't know why shared feats are non feats.

Basically there's noway of telling who's lifting what.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Diana has never moved the Earth, and neither did she lift Spectre. I wish people would read the stories they brought up.

Superman and her helped break Spectre's fall. Eternity isn't a measurement of weight.

Also shared feats are questionable because you don't know how much each character is attributing.

Cosign on everything but soul war comment. I read it in ages

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Basically there's noway of telling who's lifting what.



Cosign on everything but soul war comment. I read it in ages

For the Earth, sure.

But even a quarter of eternity is still eternity.

Originally posted by cdtm
They called Eternity "heavy", so in this case it was.

All that tells us is its heavy. That's a bit vague. But I guess if you want to challenge a Continental feat with well Diana helped put something down that's heavy be my guest.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Basically there's noway of telling who's lifting what.



Cosign on everything but soul war comment. I read it in ages
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Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
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Ohhh lol. Yea i remember that. 👍 cheers

Lol at Barda being stronger than WW or Kalibak having a chance against Thor barring powerups. Lmaooooo. Thors 10/10. Newbies to comics are quaint though.

Originally posted by panthergod
Lol at Barda being stronger than WW or Kalibak having a chance against Thor barring powerups. Lmaooooo. Thors 10/10. Newbies to comics are quaint though.

Just opinion followed by an insult. Anything else?

Originally posted by panthergod
Lol at Barda being stronger than WW or Kalibak having a chance against Thor barring powerups. Lmaooooo. Thors 10/10. Newbies to comics are quaint though.

Lmao at Lmao without anything essential to add but Lmao. Like honestly Lmaoooooo you must feel like you proved a point.

Really don't understand want the extra "o's" are suppose to stand for.