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This is a thread to show that knowing and mastering all 7 forms doesn't automatically make you a bad-ass.

Kas'im

Define "really weak"? Cin Drallig, Kas'im and Anoon Bondara come to mind, but I'd hardly call them "really weak".

Cin Dralig and Kas'im.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Maul

F-ucking imbecile, Maul didn't master all 7 forms.

Sidious

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
F-ucking imbecile, Maul didn't master all 7 forms.
True, but he mastered Juyo, at least lol.

Dunno if Hord mastered all forms, but he sucks.

"weak" is a relative term.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Kas'im

Even Piell and Revan come to mind.

Unquestionably Kas'im

How "someone who redefined" lightsaber combat loses to someone who had been training for 8 months is extremely pathetic.

Originally posted by Selenial


Finish the Shaak vs Kas'im debate.

Originally posted by carthage
Unquestionably Kas'im

How "someone who redefined" lightsaber combat loses to someone who had been training for 8 months is extremely pathetic.

Perhaps he didn't "redefine" it for the better. lmao

Wasn't Hoth a master of all 7 forms as well? Lol

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Even Piell and Revan come to mind.
Anyone else aside from Skillz would get pounced on for this, but since its NewGuy I get the sense Ant is gonna completely ignore it or drop some dismissive one liner.

Originally posted by carthage
Unquestionably Kas'im

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Anyone else aside from Skillz would get pounced on for this, but since its NewGuy I get the sense Ant is gonna completely ignore it or drop some dismissive one liner.

Of course, he's Ant and I'm me. Why does that of all things make you salty?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Of course, he's Ant and I'm me. Why does that of all things make you salty?
It doesn't make me salty, clearly the text misconveyed my tone, I just think it's funny that you and Skillz have a sort of privileged status when it comes to Ant. It's nothing I'm mad about or contemptuous towards you for.

Revan. Huehuehuehue.

Revan is a master of all 7 forms? Cause I haven't really seen anything as such.

According to Drew, he was a generalist that used all seven forms as needed. Being a master of all seven isn't a prerequisite specified in the OP.

Seems what Jman implied, plus since every Jedi has knowledge on all 7 forms and is trained in them, it makes sense.

But /shrug

Why do you suddenly have a speech impediment?

I don't?

losing to knightfall anakin doesn't make you really weak

Originally posted by Ursumeles
True, but he mastered Juyo, at least lol.

Dunno if Hord mastered all forms, but he sucks. Well he's better then you now, isn't he?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
According to Drew, he was a generalist that used all seven forms as needed. Being a master of all seven isn't a prerequisite specified in the OP. Its knowing OR mastering, so technically he's right, but so are you.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Well he's better then you now, isn't he?
https://media.tenor.co/images/f5a4264608dcc6ddcfc65fd0103bc138/raw

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It doesn't make me salty, clearly the text misconveyed my tone, I just think it's funny that you and Skillz have a sort of privileged status when it comes to Ant. It's nothing I'm mad about or contemptuous towards you for. NewGuy doesn't troll. (That much)

Holy **** I'm not accusing him of being a troll. My statement was not an accusation.

It doesn't make any sense how DMB is trying to pick fights now with Skillz and Ant. And he routinely cries about how KMC is trolled, smh

I'm not trying to pick fights. Not everything typed on this forum is meant to be aggressive.

And Skillz is not someone I'd want to pick a fight with because he's one of the people on here I have the most respect for.

Quit trolling DMB, this was a nice thread until you showed up.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Holy **** I'm not accusing him of being a troll. My statement was not an accusation. Yes it was, *******.

You know what you did.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
https://media.tenor.co/images/f5a4264608dcc6ddcfc65fd0103bc138/raw Well, I'm just glad that you understand that.

Originally posted by Emperordmb Originally posted by NewGuy01
Even Piell and Revan come to mind. Anyone else aside from Skillz would get pounced on for this, but since its NewGuy I get the sense Ant is gonna completely ignore it or drop some dismissive one liner.

Also, Kas'im and Meetra Surik.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Even Piell and Revan come to mind.
>Insert dismissive one liner here.<

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
>Insert dismissive one liner here.<
revan lost to a dude who died by walking into a lightsaber, nuff said

Palpatine was killed by a non-Force sensitive and a floating ball.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Palpatine was killed by a non-Force sensitive and a floating ball.
vader isn't a force sensitive?
The tor sumggler isn't one, that's for sure

I'm taking about Dark Empire.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
revan lost to a dude who died by walking into a lightsaber, nuff said Valkoriate was probably hoping his lightning would be too harsh for the HoT to block/deflect, tbf.

The HoT took advantage of that by using the inertia it caused to spin around and cut him from the opposite direction.

Really quite brilliant when you think about it.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Valkoriate was probably hoping his lightning would be too harsh for the HoT to block/deflect, tbf.

The HoT took advantage of that by using the inertia it caused to spin around and cut him from the opposite direction.

Really quite brilliant when you think about it.
Uh, no, valk literally walked towards the hot who then just slashed him, its incredibly idiotic

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm taking about Dark Empire.
Well I've just started dark empire 2 if thats what you're talking about so I don't get that reference. Still vitiate lost to a smuggler so...

So does Palpatine.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So does Palpatine.
not at the same, palp was fighting two powerful jedi while dealing with the smuggler, vitate just got killed by the smuggler

Vitiate was focused on Arcann, who would fold the Jedi Palps was fighting into pretty crane shapes in a fight.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Revan is a master of all 7 forms? Cause I haven't really seen anything as such.

He did a kick in the novel. Shien is known to use kicks so he knows that. He jumped, so thats Ataru. He used a unpredictable double-feint, Juyo. Niman was clearly demonstrated by him using a force push once. Nobody not using Niman has ever used a force push in a duel ever QED. I think that he knows Makashi, so he does. He used an attack, Shii-Cho.




(these are real arguments that Ant has really used in a respect thread)

A lot of what you just said there were blatant lies, rofl.

That doesn't mean he's a master. All Jedi are trained in all the styles...sooo those aren't arguments.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
That doesn't mean he's a master. All Jedi are trained in all the styles...sooo those aren't arguments.
Source?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate was focused on Arcann, who would fold the Jedi Palps was fighting into pretty crane shapes in a fight.



(these are real arguments that Ant has really used in a respect thread)
Did you seriously just try to say arcann>de luke

Palpatine wasn't fighting DE Luke when Han shot him?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
A lot of what you just said there were blatant lies, rofl.

A lot of it was also pretty accurate to how bad your "evidence" was.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
That doesn't mean he's a master. All Jedi are trained in all the styles...sooo those aren't arguments.

Those were jokes. They aren't arguments, though Ant did make similar ones once. He has since deleted them.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A lot of it was also pretty accurate to how bad your "evidence" was.
Not really. There wasn't much to go off, but cross-referencing maneuvers to style-specific moves is fine.

I'm sure your "evidence" on why Darth Bane beats Yoda is fine, though.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

I'm sure your "evidence" on why Darth Bane beats Yoda is fine, though. What?
He really thinks that?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really. There wasn't much to go off, but cross-referencing maneuvers to style-specific moves is fine.

I'm sure your "evidence" on why Darth Bane beats Yoda is fine, though.

When there isn't anything to go off, maybe just.... don't go at all? Also lol, style-specific maneuvers like jumping, kicking and force pushing sure.

Nice salty comeback tho.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Palpatine wasn't fighting DE Luke when Han shot him?
he was chasing him and leia, when han shot him.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Source?



Which then they can then go for the form that best suits their strengths/style. Or make their own form of combat.

Page?

THX

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Page?

Page 139, top paragraph.

I'm rather puzzled, that I know this and I don't even care much for Force Users.

Also welcome Rocky.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Of course, he's Ant and I'm me. Why does that of all things make you salty?

You're a silly ****bag.

Don't see it. Page 137, top paragraph starts with, "As a Jedi Knight you should..."

I edited my post, sorry Ant, it's page 139.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Which then they can then go for the form that best suits their strengths/style. Or make their own form of combat.

That's not all, only 6 you lying f-uck.

Ok sorry jeez, they are trained in the mainstream styles, Juyo is a restricted style where only a handful each year are taught if they meet the standards of the BM.

What are the standards anyway? Kenobi and Anakin were refused iirc, then cucks like Vos, Depa, and Kota were allowed.

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It has paradoxes and difficult concepts along with leaning one towards the dark side, all I've gathered really.

Though I dunno why you all don't have this info, you guys are the ones that focus on Force Users.

we get it, you vape

The statement above this post is incredibly ghey.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The statement above this post is incredibly ghey.
dmb ghey or beni gay?

damn

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
That's not all, only 6 you lying f-uck.
well they cna also creat their own additional forms, so that makes it more than 6
from a certain point of view

Vrook, Zez, and Kavar.

At least skilled enough to (re)teach the Exile.

Addressing the Revan thing, I do believe he was a master in all seven forms. At least, he became a master of forms I-VII during his youth as a jedi before he left the order. The only reason I believe this is because Kreia said Revan learnt everything he could from the Jedi, until he could learn nothing more than to leave them. This implies he mastered the 7 forms to at least textbook mastery. Though his preferred style would be to rely on Niman and also draw on other forms as he needed them. Probably similar to how Exar Kun was a Niman duelist who used different forms and sequences to off-balance his opponents, except Revan wouldn't be as aggressive.

Then again, it depends on how literally you interpret what Kreia says.

And with Cin Drallig I doubt he's a weak character. He is mentioned as being unparalleled with a lightsaber.

Originally posted by samappo
Addressing the Revan thing, I do believe he was a master in all seven forms. At least, he became a master of forms I-VII during his youth as a jedi before he left the order. The only reason I believe this is because Kreia said Revan learnt everything he could from the Jedi, until he could learn nothing more than to leave them. This implies he mastered the 7 forms to at least textbook mastery. Though his preferred style would be to rely on Niman and also draw on other forms as he needed them. Probably similar to how Exar Kun was a Niman duelist who used different forms and sequences to off-balance his opponents, except Revan wouldn't be as aggressive.
mmm

Given how this is identical to my main Revan mastery argument established in my Revan Lightsaber Analysis thread on ComicVine, I wonder if someone read it off me and went to YouTube with the message, or someone there thought of it independently and it got to you. Or you just read it off my thread itself?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
mmm

Given how this is identical to my main Revan mastery argument established in my Revan Lightsaber Analysis thread on ComicVine, I wonder if someone read it off me and went to YouTube with the idea, or someone there thought of it independently.

I thought of it when I was thinking about Plagueis' lightsaber abilities. I theorised that Plagueis was a master of all seven forms of lightsaber combat, like his apprentice. Because the youtubers attribute him as a Niman specialist. I thought of Revan as well, since they also viewed Revan in the same light. But the theory is pretty meh depending on how you interpret what Kreia said.

I remember a lot of what Kreia said since I basically spammed Kotor 2 in primary school and talking to Kreia was my favorite part of the game.

Could you link me your CV thread?

Interesting. Good job.

Here's the central thread:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revan-respect-thread/95278/

And companion threads:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-lightsaber-abilities-overview/97613/

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-raw-power-overview/97193/

Interesting. Yeah you've obviously elaborated and researched it way more than I have. To call Revan anything short of a master of lightsaber combat is a discredit and doesn't align with what the sources say about his performance and abilities.

I'm planning on starting a new topic soonish about Darth Plagueis' lightsaber abilities and my thoughts and theory that he's a master of all seven forms and a tier 8 minimum duelist, imo bordering but never reaching tier 9.