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Galan posted an interesting scan of Firestorm potentially being the most powerful being on the planet ,and, Superman has been called the most powerful being on the planet. Both are fighting for the title. No bfr. Who's taking this?

Firestorm can create red sun radiation, Kryptonite, and salt.

He wins.

Superman BFRs him

Originally posted by Galan007
Firestorm can create red sun radiation, Kryptonite, and salt.

He wins.

Salt? Also, can he create the identical kind of KN Superman is weak against.?

Firestorm

Which versions?

I will assume this is a serious thread Carver (it seems more and more posters see you as a troll) and respond seriously. Each character can take out the other, and either can technically win. An all out Superman could potentially blitz Firestorm and literally take off his head. An all out Firestorm is honestly one of the most powerful characters below a certain level who is not a reality warped (and some of the things the likes of an all out Firestorm, Silver Surfer and Captain Atom can do are, at their high end, basically low level reality warping).

Either one can win, with Superman being able to kill Firestorm in a quick and direct way, while Firestorm would be able to kill Superman in exotically horrible ways.

My question would be the blitz - does FS have an answer to an all out blitz? If yes, he kills Superman. If no, Superman kills him.

Jason

Wins

Originally posted by spetznaz
I will assume this is a serious thread Carver (it seems more and more posters see you as a troll) and respond seriously. Each character can take out the other, and either can technically win. An all out Superman could potentially blitz Firestorm and literally take off his head. An all out Firestorm is honestly one of the most powerful characters below a certain level who is not a reality warped (and some of the things the likes of an all out Firestorm, Silver Surfer and Captain Atom can do are, at their high end, basically low level reality warping).

Either one can win, with Superman being able to kill Firestorm in a quick and direct way, while Firestorm would be able to kill Superman in exotically horrible ways.

My question would be the blitz - does FS have an answer to an all out blitz? If yes, he kills Superman. If no, Superman kills him.

And I see a lot of people here as trolls as well. Now stop bashing and just respond to the thread please. I didn't create this for you to come in here and insult people.

Originally posted by Zack M
Wins

How?

Originally posted by carver9
Jason

And Superman?

Welll superman would not try to kill a hero and a friend. So no he won't blitz his head off. Firestorm can beat superman in some exotic fashions. Like a Kryptonite Cube full of salt. A casket with Kryptonite nails covered in salt. A cheeseburger with Kryptonite lettuce over-salted. In a friendly fight firestorm treats him

If this is a bloodlust superman of something superman would punch his head off after a very hard fight. It still wouldn't be a stomp more like 6/10

Originally posted by -Pr-
And Superman?

Current Superman is post Crisis Supes.

Originally posted by carver9
Current Superman is post Crisis Supes.

I know, but I asked to make sure.

In that case, Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
How?

Intangibility as Jason transmutes Clark.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Welll superman would not try to kill a hero and a friend. So no he won't blitz his head off. Firestorm can beat superman in some exotic fashions. Like a Kryptonite Cube full of salt. A casket with Kryptonite nails covered in salt. A cheeseburger with Kryptonite lettuce over-salted. In a friendly fight firestorm treats him

But...Jason will?

Superman sucks the air out of his lungs, suffocating.

As seen with Coldcast.

Jason still needs oxygen.

Great thread

Originally posted by carver9
Salt? Also, can he create the identical kind of KN Superman is weak against.? Indeed he can:
http://i.imgur.com/ImrTLmL.jpg

And even IF Superman were to blitz at the onset, Jason has the feats to suggest he can weather his punches long enough to become intangible OR manifest k-nite, at least.

http://i.imgur.com/qtIMKKg.jpg

Superman against a guy who was immune to all physical harm. without killing him:
https://s30.postimg.org/3l4nlpou9/hat.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i.imgur.com/qtIMKKg.jpg

Superman against a guy who was immune to all physical harm. without killing him:
https://s30.postimg.org/3l4nlpou9/hat.jpg Jason is the version of FS specified in this thread(the guy in your first scan isn't Jason, btw) -- and Jason can survive in zero-oxygen/vacuum environments just fine:
http://i.imgur.com/bRsWe2C.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cguI6q9.jpg

I've put Galan on block so am sure whatever he just posted was chock full of lies.

http://i.imgur.com/3bEMdiG.gif

Superman 8/10.

bump

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman BFRs him

Or just beats him down.

Unless Firestorm has become immune to physical attacks.

Good thread Carver. Firestorm wins. Strange that firestorm is "said " to win against Sentry yet some claim superman beats firestorm??? Good thread Carver. Should teach people something.

Which Firestorm was it who survived in the sun, and created an absolute zero cage there? (That didn't melt, because absolute zero?)

Originally posted by Galan007
Indeed he can:
http://i.imgur.com/ImrTLmL.jpg

And even IF Superman were to blitz at the onset, Jason has the feats to suggest he can weather his punches long enough to become intangible OR manifest k-nite, at least.
I'm not sure whether it's cannon to the current version of the character, but Firestorm also used transmutation to redirect the Omega Beams after they were fired at pretty close range. If he's still that fast, I see him being able to whip up something against Supes before he can cross the battlefield to blitz

can fs think intangible before supes blitzes....?

fs can absolutely beat him IF he gets the chance to do so. thought vs speed anyone...?

another question: how good a multi-tasker is jason? could he remain intangible and turn supes to salt? supes could maybe deal with the intangible bit, but it would take a tiny bit of time. in that time, he'd be raising someone's blood pressure and contributing to someone's heart disease, no?

Originally posted by darthgoober
cannon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon

https://i.giphy.com/media/7SrHwak3yoO9a/giphy.webp

~~~~~~~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction)

After 12 years, you really should know the difference between those two biscuits

Originally posted by leonidas
can fs think intangible before supes blitzes....?

fs can absolutely beat him IF he gets the chance to do so. thought vs speed anyone...?

another question: how good a multi-tasker is jason? could he remain intangible and turn supes to salt? supes could maybe deal with the intangible bit, but it would take a tiny bit of time. in that time, he'd be raising someone's blood pressure and contributing to someone's heart disease, no?

If he can react to the OE, he can react to Supermans speed.

They chased Flash through time and space.

Firestorm speedblitzes.

Superman wins.

Firestorm can't handle Superman at this level.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman wins.

Firestorm can't handle Superman at this level.

Damn right. With ease too.

Originally posted by leonidas
can fs think intangible before supes blitzes....?

fs can absolutely beat him IF he gets the chance to do so. thought vs speed anyone...?

another question: how good a multi-tasker is jason? could he remain intangible and turn supes to salt? supes could maybe deal with the intangible bit, but it would take a tiny bit of time. in that time, he'd be raising someone's blood pressure and contributing to someone's heart disease, no? Firestorm threw fisticuffs with the amped Kalibak who casually ragdolled Orion. So even IF Superman blitzed at the onset, I'm confident that Jason could withstand the beating... For a little while, at least.

As for your second question: I'm not sure. Jason has used intangibility in conjunction with other abilities in rapid succession, but I don't know of any specific instances where he's had to use his powers while already intangible... /shrug

Originally posted by cdtm
If he can react to the OE, he can react to Supermans speed.

They chased Flash through time and space. Batman has reacted to the Omega Effect after it's been fired, among many others.

The beams aren't always top speed, obviously.

Superman on average would lose. Firestorm can conjure Kryptonite, and use his body to emit red solar radiation. Just getting close to him would weaken Superman at that point. FS could take Superman's attacks long enough for him to run out of juice from the KP and RSR.

Sure, some versions of Superman would still pull wins, like SBP(due to his immunity to artificial RSR, and Kryptonite), but the average Superman would get every last one of his weaknesses exploited by FS.