Classic Kingpin vs. Batman h2h only

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Facee
Fight takes place in a dark alley way in Gotham. They can only go h2h. Batman has his suit, but no belt and no cape.

riv6672
The suit makes the difference. Batman FTW.

Stoic
Fisk takes this more often than not. Look at his battles with DD. If Batman won, it would be by the narrowest of margins. He could win, but it would be by way of a lucky shot/

Digi
This...actually happened in a crossover. KP was clearly shown to be the superior. Canon or not, I think it was an accurate portrayal.

BruceSkywalker
batman but slightly

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Digi
This...actually happened in a crossover. KP was clearly shown to be the superior. Canon or not, I think it was an accurate portrayal.

Huh? It was a stalemate, actually.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Stoic
Fisk takes this more often than not. Look at his battles with DD. If Batman won, it would be by the narrowest of margins. He could win, but it would be by way of a lucky shot/

DD is no Batman and Bruce's suit allows him to takes hits from Bane on venom. Plus armored gauntlets are a part of his suit and increases his striking power. Bats kicks are powerful enough to break a motorcycle in half with one strike. Bats wins more often than not against Fisk by getting skilled shots in not lucky shots.

DarkSaint85
WTF?

Who cares about Batman's silly little suit???

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Endurance/Stamina/batman35-brucewaynevsgodofwar2.jpg

WW is the God of War here. Batman is out of his suit, and so badly injured he in the preceding page, was complaining that it hurt to laugh.

WW surprises hits him from behind, outside of the suit, which would lower his durability by at least 2000%.

And then there's this:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/batmans-justice-buster-suit-vs-wonder-woman-1.jpg

She's not pulling her punches. Smashing him through concrete etc.

And this is WITHOUT his suit.

spetznaz
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
WTF?

Who cares about Batman's silly little suit???

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Endurance/Stamina/batman35-brucewaynevsgodofwar2.jpg

WW is the God of War here. Batman is out of his suit, and so badly injured he in the preceding page, was complaining that it hurt to laugh.

WW surprises hits him from behind, outside of the suit, which would lower his durability by at least 2000%.

And then there's this:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/batmans-justice-buster-suit-vs-wonder-woman-1.jpg

She's not pulling her punches. Smashing him through concrete etc.

And this is WITHOUT his suit.

This ties well with our discussion on the other thread of Batman being 'human.' smile

Digi
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Huh? It was a stalemate, actually.

The fight was brief and was interrupted, but KP was shown to be superior iirc, no? I remember Bruce even saying something to that effect. Maybe someone has the scan. I do...somewhere, but it's not a big enough deal for me to dig it up.

riv6672
^^^Is this what you're talking about?

http://i.imgur.com/ZLNm7VS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8juzFlu.jpg

riv6672
This is pretty cool:

http://i.imgur.com/nxD1Xvs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eetDDUI.jpg

Digi
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Is this what you're talking about?

http://i.imgur.com/ZLNm7VS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8juzFlu.jpg

It would have to be. Is that the whole fight? Also, the second image is super small. Can't really read the text.

Anyway, my opinion holds, though I may have conflated that particular showing in my mind.

Flyattractor
When did Bats fight Fisk? Was it in that Spidey crossover with Carnage and Joker?

Digi
Here's the 2nd page but larger:
http://i.imgur.com/NfEnH7K.jpg

...so yeah, Bats can't trade blows with him but can "pick his shots." So yeah, stalemate, more or less. I think it was the same comic Fisk easily moved a metal door that Bats couldn't budge, so he was definitely shown to be >> in strength.

Other amusing evidence:

http://i.imgur.com/vFx21sH.jpg

TethAdamTheRock
With suit Batman wins

leonidas
huh, can't believe i have never seen or read that arc where bats met fisk.... i better showing for fisk i'd say than for bats for sure. but seriously, i have to wonder how firmly to accept that writing. the author actually had fisk say 'capeesh'? wtf?? hard to have a character say something more ooc.

Digi
Here's another fight showcasing his strength and speed. Classic KP was at least Class 10 (which is what Spidey officially was at the time, though his best feats even then were far better), and nearly as fast as Spidey, ridiculous as that sounds:
http://i.imgur.com/XofD7eq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QpFrtPF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FEDCgeg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ekvSCly.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O3VGSpj.jpg

I really do think he'd take it to Bats minus any gadgets.

Digi
Originally posted by Flyattractor
When did Bats fight Fisk? Was it in that Spidey crossover with Carnage and Joker?

No. At least I don't think so. There were two Batman/Spidey crossovers in the 90s. The Carnage/Joker one was separate iirc.

Flyattractor
Originally posted by Digi
No. At least I don't think so. There were two Batman/Spidey crossovers in the 90s. The Carnage/Joker one was separate iirc.

I also recall them doing a Daredevil one to but I don't recall the art being this good.

riv6672
Originally posted by Digi
Here's the 2nd page but larger:
...so yeah, Bats can't trade blows with him but can "pick his shots." So yeah, stalemate, more or less. I think it was the same comic Fisk easily moved a metal door that Bats couldn't budge, so he was definitely shown to be >> in strength.

Other amusing evidence:


Thanks for the scan! It bugged me i couldnt find a better one.

And yes, Red Skull getting flattened? Well deserved!

DTM
Without cape and gadgets, I have to give the win to Kingpin a bit more than not, though Batman would definitely make him work for it.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Digi
The fight was brief and was interrupted, but KP was shown to be superior iirc, no? I remember Bruce even saying something to that effect. Maybe someone has the scan. I do...somewhere, but it's not a big enough deal for me to dig it up.

He had that one panel in which he held Bruce in the air, that's not much if you ask me.

Bruce did way better than Cap.

StiltmanFTW
In the last panel, Fisk actually is seen with a weapon... some steel rod or whatever. Tsk tsk.

DarkSaint85
Batman IS supposed to be stronger and faster now, having been 'reborn'.

StiltmanFTW
Is that reborn Flashpoint Bats or pre-fp? I'm lost, lol.

Or is Superdouche the only lucky idiot that survived reboot(s)?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is that reborn Flashpoint Bats or pre-fp? I'm lost, lol.

Or is Superdouche the only lucky idiot that survived reboot(s)?

Reborn Flashpoint Bats.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-728XlvVzOh0/VvJgsr2MDsI/AAAAAAABk18/pkRimyrZ5tUGdovFjK6a0FFWGlML6cjTw/s1600/01_08.jpg

StiltmanFTW
thumb up

cdtm
Originally posted by Facee
Fight takes place in a dark alley way in Gotham. They can only go h2h. Batman has his suit, but no belt and no cape.

If we're drawing the line at before Matt beat Fisk one on one (Which for my money, had a very OOC Fisk, and was almost a parody of himself), then Batman doesn't have much chance.

He should grapple a young 10 ton Spidey in a grip he can't break, or push him through a thick cement wall. (The "pulling my punch's"wink excuse breaks down with grapples, especially a grapple that involves pushing someone through a solid, thick wall.)

Toss around a solid oak desk like it's foam, or rip apart steel scaffolding with his bare hands. Batmans armor won't do much against his freakish strength.

And his fists won't slow someone who can take a beating from Matt's nightstick and just stand there.

Only real hope is pressure points, and good luck with that. Kingpin has no neck, and his entire body is solid. Matt tried kicking him in vulnerable leg/lower back area, and felt like he was kicking a wall.

riv6672
^^^May have to reconsider. The suit isnt seeming as big an advantage as i initially thought.

leonidas
are we assuming the fisk that got his sh!t punched in by parker is NOT classic? parker basically said he held back against fisk in the past, which made some sense. just curious how others see it.

cdtm
Originally posted by leonidas
are we assuming the fisk that got his sh!t punched in by parker is NOT classic? parker basically said he held back against fisk in the past, which made some sense. just curious how others see it.

It's also an more mature, in his prime Spidey.

Fisk basically fought a barely post-pube Spidey in his peak. But that still makes him a ten tonner or so.

And holding back wouldn't explain why Fisk could grab his ankle, and Parker would call it like a vise and be unable to break it. No one "holds back" like that.

riv6672
Add to that, every super strong character 'holds back' whether its stated or not, or thry'd pulp everyone to death.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by leonidas
are we assuming the fisk that got his sh!t punched in by parker is NOT classic? parker basically said he held back against fisk in the past, which made some sense. just curious how others see it.

Parker had all of his The Other + Queen perks...

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