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...And the sentient mountain was resistant to the Force, no less... F*ck.Me.

Yoda rulez

Well nice to see the New Canon at least is still making Yoda the most powerful Jedi ever.

Lmao. ****ing hell does this blow every feat out of the water

He held back the mountain AND the attempts by the others to interfere.

However I feel this might be an outliar(or maybe oneness?), because if he could do that...then no other TK feat he later has should be any issue...at all.

The planet might also be a force nexus, I remember Yoda mentioning the living rocks were strong with the force iirc

Originally posted by carthage
The planet might also be a force nexus, I remember Yoda mentioning the living rocks were strong with the force iirc

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
However I feel this might be an outliar(or maybe oneness?), because if he could do that...then no other TK feat he later has should be any issue...at all.

Well it was never indicated that it was.

The stones were sentient. As such they were strong with the Force... In fact, the stones were *so* strong/unique in the Force that they were all but immune to Yoda's application of TK initially -- he had to learn from Garro(an inhabitant of the planet) *how* to manipulate them at all. However, it was never once implied in this arc that the planet amped Yoda's powers in any way/shape/form.

What *was* implied is that Yoda experienced a moment of 'oneness' with the Force -- and in that moment, anything was possible:
http://i.imgur.com/z6Mas6V.jpg



That said, Yoda still preformed the initial halting of the mountain(AND the others around him) before it was implied that he became one with the Force... So his raw TK is still very much showcased here.

I take it as meaning this is what an all-out Yoda is capable of.

Um......Well. Eat your heart out Valk Fanboys....Eat your heart out.

Originally posted by MythLord
I take it as meaning this is what an all-out Yoda is capable of.

Probably this and then some. Somehow I doubt that was the full extent of his TK powers.

His TK didn't even make Sidious hit the wall, which isn't surprising given the fact that Sidious can tank his own lightning.

For more of a sense of scale, here is the creature Yoda fought in its entirety -- when they call it a mountain, they are being quite literal:
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"One Jedi alone against a living mountain... I almost feel sorry for the mountain." g007_teehee

This should at least shut up those people who dismiss the microseries because it is "exaggarated".

Originally posted by TheMuser
Um......Well. Eat your heart out Valk Fanboys....Eat your heart out.
Nothing extraordinary here.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nothing extraordinary here.

....Are we not seeing the same panels? Because that looks extraordinary, so unless there is some circumstance behind this feat I am unaware of, How does Valk compare in TK?

Originally posted by TheMuser
....Are we not seeing the same panels? Because that looks extraordinary, so unless there is some circumstance behind this feat I am unaware of, How does Valk compare in TK?
An entity having sufficient strength to devastate a world, should be more than capable of pulling that off and then some with TK. Valkorion rarely used TK anyways.

So....Power in Drain=Power in TK? Is that a thing?

Legend is right here tbh.

Gona have to elaborate, my dude.

Originally posted by TheMuser
So....Power in Drain=Power in TK? Is that a thing?

Demonstrated power is applicable to pretty much all areas that employ the Force to a greater or lesser degree.

All right. Off to class. See ya all in a bit.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Demonstrated power is applicable to pretty much all areas that employ the Force to a greater or lesser degree.

A example would be appreciated... Because I keep thinking Nyriss Husked guards, but her TK showings are lower. Dooku hasn't husked/ashed anyone, inspite of having many showings, yet his TK appears vastly superior.

Gona have to source some stuff.

Killing Ventress/potentially killing Vos while injured >> ashing fodder on a nexus, tbh.

Originally posted by TheMuser
A example would be appreciated... Because I keep thinking Nyriss Husked guards, but her TK showings are lower. Dooku hasn't husked/ashed anyone, inspite of having many showings, yet his TK appears vastly superior.

Gona have to source some stuff.
Darth Nyriss sent Lord Scourge crashing into a wall without a guesture and even looking at him.

fair point :>

This feat shows the monstruosity of the Rule of Two.

Also worth mentioning that shortly before holding back the mountain-creature, Yoda could barely move a small boulder made of the same, esoteric material -- it literally took all his strength/power to do so:
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So holding back an entire f*cking mountain comprised of said material...within a few hours of the above showing...is a HUGE testament to Yoda's overall prowess with the Force -- his ability to massively grow/evolve/expand his power and knowledge in a very short amount of time. Truly unreal, tbh.

Valkorion and the Yoda depicted here are not part of the same canon anyway.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Demonstrated power is applicable to pretty much all areas that employ the Force to a greater or lesser degree.

Is this a stated fact?

the power of the remnants of that mountain was "greater than any power had encountered before"
would that apply to vader, or am i just stretching things

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
I don't think that nexus was helping yoda considering how it took a great deal of training for yoda not to be almost completely powerless near it

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
An entity having sufficient strength to devastate a world, should be more than capable of pulling that off and then some with TK. Valkorion rarely used TK anyways.
pre prime valk couldn't even tk deflect surik's lightsaber

and anyway, yoda gets signficant scaling off a dude who induced planetary wide weather changes just by visiting a planet

Originally posted by MythLord
I take it as meaning this is what an all-out Yoda is capable of.
all out kyp held back a moon

No way Khan beats this guy.

^ Well hopefully it's just a Yoda/Palpatine thing, and not a "every Jedi/Sith with a Rep" thing.

Should mention that in the subsequent pages, yoda out does valk again and with the help of fcking children(rather than sith lords) reanimates an entire species of living mountains

Upon researching this feat further, it's not as impressive as initially thought. There are many circumstances at play here.

The planet itself is aiding Yoda.

The Mud Dweller kids are aiding Yoda.

Yoda needed to learn a special technique in order to manipulate the mountain efficiently.

Everything on that planet is strong in the Force, even the planet itself is alive.

This leads me to believe that not only was Yoda receiving help from the Mud Dwellers and the planet itself, but that either Yoda was drawing on the Force strength of the mountain itself and/or the planet, but that the planet was also a Nexus.

There is more, and I can bring in scans if need be, but it's gonna take little while to get them all uploaded. Ultimately, while the feat is impressive, the fact the feat was being powered by multiple sources, makes it much less impressive.

The mountain was initally stopping him from even throwing rocks, how the hell did you get the idea of yoda getting amped from that

Yoda wasn't amped. Anyone who thinks otherwise either: a.) hasn't read the arc in its entirety, or b.) has a severe reading comprehension disability, or c.) is low-balling for the sake of trolling, or d.) all of the above.

It was made clear in the story that Yoda was doing this solo -- it was never once alluded to that he was amped in any way/shape/form. Like I said before: the creature and it's unique living stone-material were very strong in the Force, which allowed it to resist(not amp, lol) even the strongest of Force users -- inc. Yoda himself. That's why he was barely able to move a small boulder comprised of said material a few hours before he confronted the mountain itself(scans posted on the last page.)

^ Lol nice one Galan.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
all out kyp held back a moon

No.

Another feat which means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Only fanboys rave in this manner about feats such as this. Sad thing indeed.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
pre prime valk couldn't even tk deflect surik's lightsaber

and anyway, yoda gets signficant scaling off a dude who induced planetary wide weather changes just by visiting a planet
Vitiate was not fighting Surik at that time. His attention was towards Revan.

So either novel Vitiate's TK is vastly inferior to Yoda's, or he has sub-Kas'im reaction timing... mmm

He froze Scourge's lightsaber mid-air to stop him from proving himself.

Mid-swing, rather.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Another feat which means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Only fanboys rave in this manner about feats such as this. Sad thing indeed.

Lmao, such saltiness. Jealous that your precious Maul would never be capable of such feat?

Maul probably couldn't even lift a single rock on that planet.

The best canon TK feat...by a country mile...means nothing, eh? Hysterical.

Originally posted by MythLord
No.
*moon sized mico blaxckhole

Originally posted by Petrus
Lmao, such saltiness. Jealous that your precious Maul would never be capable of such feat? Do you ever hear me raving about such silly feats such as this. Only kids and adult losers rave about these feats while ignoring how the characters match up on screen. None of this changes Yoda lifting up a ship in the swamp. None of this makes Yoda defeat Dooku or Palpatine in the films. That matters not a random feat in a comic.

Originally posted by Galan007
The best canon TK feat...by a country mile...means nothing, eh? Hysterical. It doesn't mean anything to anyone outside fanboys and kids. It doesn't make him look any greater when compared to peers or override facts. It's just a feat in a comic which doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things. At your age you should know this by now. you don't.

Your trolling is so transparent at this point. Why spend so much time here if you don't care about the material that is being discussed here?

He's a troll, blow him up. I'm gonna go take a shit.

quan's a troll, darthbane77's just dumb.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't mean anything to anyone outside fanboys and kids. It doesn't make him look any greater when compared to peers or override facts. It's just a feat in a comic which doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things. At your age you should know this by now. you don't. http://i.imgur.com/PHXVQfe.gif

Originally posted by Sinious
Your trolling is so transparent at this point. Why spend so much time here if you don't care about the material that is being discussed here? I am not trolling. The point is simple just as with comic book characters exclusive feats mater very little when they meet up with their peers. Yoda's feat is ok but it changes nothing. The comic books really emphasize these feats but it doesn't change anything. I'm one of the few consistent posters on the site. I don't use double standards so applaud my consistency and quit being emotional.

Originally posted by Galan007
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https://media1.giphy.com/media/e7FOBuKCDtwWI/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Zenwolf
He's a troll, blow him up. I'm gonna go take a shit. Nothing I said is inaccurate. Truth hurts.

Nice feat.

Goda http://www.narutoforums.com/styles/nf/icons/x5RuXdc.png

Meltdown confirmed from Quan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
https://media1.giphy.com/media/e7FOBuKCDtwWI/giphy.gif

*seconds later*
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111225346/5754750-maul+rekt.gif

I am glad I dropped this title just as this story arc started.

Size matters not

Originally posted by TheMuser
Um......Well. Eat your heart out Valk Fanboys....Eat your heart out.
Yoda being>>>Valk was already well established

Originally posted by Zenwolf
He's a troll, blow him up. I'm gonna go take a shit.

Was looking back through the thread, and caught this gem...

YOU WATCH RICK AND MORTY?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Was looking back through the thread, and caught this gem...

YOU WATCH RICK AND MORTY?

Hell yeah, S3 finally here!

What did you think of the last episode?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
What did you think of the last episode?

Was pretty nice. I liked Morty's sentient arm bit, was amusing.

Personally, I'm not too sure how I feel about Summer's change in character. Kind of weird seeing her be all nihilistic like Rick.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Personally, I'm not too sure how I feel about Summer's change in character. Kind of weird seeing her be all nihilistic like Rick.

Yeah found that a little strange, though curious to see where it might go.

I enjoyed the episode the first time, but I enjoyed it more on the second watch through since I wasn't overhyping it on the back of the season premier in my head.

Bojack shits on R&M.

Never seen it. What's it about?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yoda being>>>Valk was already well established
Let me know when Yoda devastates whole worlds and grand armies of the Republic (and Sith) are not able to stop him in the battlefield.

These kind of feats do nothing to advance Yoda's development as a character and fighter. We all know how it ended for him.

Someone canonically inferior to Yoda's inferior devastated worlds. That is not putting Valkorion above Yoda.

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Someone canonically inferior to Yoda's inferior devastated worlds. That is not putting Valkorion above Yoda.
Darth Nihilus and Yoda were never compared in a proper way at any point in the lore. And is a common theme in Star Wars - be it from in-universe narrators or from publishers.

Darth Nihilus is an character - there was tremendous power in his hunger (to the point that he could consume an entire world) but he was far from being a powerful Force-user in conventional respect because he was enslaved to his hunger and risked self-destruction due to it - his body eventually collapsed under the pressures of his hunger and he wouldn't have lasted long without Force-sensitive targets to draw energy from. Darth Traya also pointed out the fact that there was tremendous power in his hunger, but not in him as a Force-user .

Therefore, Yoda >>>>>> Darth Nihilus in conventional sense of power and attunement with the Force but cannot match the the latter in the spectrum of capabilities possible through the unconventional HUNGER factor.

Conversely, Valkorion is a seemingly perfect incarnation of Darth Nihilus - he is not only capable of feats on a similar scale in conventional sense, he has absolute control over himself and his powers . Devastating a world is a far greater demonstration of raw power and capability for a character then strictly target-focused demonstrations (objectively speaking). What we saw on Ziost, is substantially above each demonstration in sheer scale, potency and threat in conventional respects. We see entire armies of the Republic (and Sith) being reduced to mere instruments of violence; we see scores of Jedi and Sith being reduced to mere instruments of violence; we see protagonists moving around in despair and we see an entire world meeting its end.

Yoda is renowned for his extraordinary attunement with the Force but I do not see him as a peer of Valkorion in conventional sense of power and capability.

Darth Nihilus is canonically inferior to Plagueis thus making him inferior to Yoda. Yoda obviously can't Drain planets but if he knew Drain he very well could.

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Darth Nihilus is canonically inferior to Plagueis
There's nothing 'canon' about his inferiority. The Plagueis blurb is confirmed as subjective by Leland Chee, and thus is not fact.

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Darth Nihilus is canonically inferior to Plagueis thus making him inferior to Yoda. Yoda obviously can't Drain planets but if he knew Drain he very well could.

Plagueis isn't canonically inferior to Yoda, though.

Via Sidious, he is

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Via Sidious, he is

Yes, blurbs are canon.

According to Chee, there is room for debate, thus, it's about as credible as a reputable characters statement.

Plagueis' is probably more powerful than Nihilus, but he blurb doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by Trocity
Bojack shits on R&M. is somebody bringing up the incredible show that is Bojack horseman?

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Yes, blurbs are canon.
They are fallible and subjective per Chee, and are thus not fact. In simpler terms: they aren't at all canon.

Originally posted by thesithmaster
Yes, blurbs are canon.

You can argue for them being "canon" or valid (better term), but they're not "factually" canon.

Yes they are. That blurbs can be subjective is meaningless unles syou can prove this specific blurb is subjective. Leeland Chee says it clearly applies to all shiz, and the plagueis blurb, as lucas published material qualifies.

It's like sayig Vak isn't factually a sith, when he's fckn stated outright to be one

Blurs are licensed to be subjective is pretty cut and clear statement - they are, subjective, and not, as seen by a nuber of people before, unmovable facts. No amount of mental gymnastics, or romanticizing of the text will change that.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Plagueis isn't canonically inferior to Yoda, though.

How do you personally think Plagueis fares against Yoda?

Blurs can be subjective, that doesn't mean they neccesarily are, and that they have an intended purpose isn't sufficient grounds to consider them invalid when they are officially published by lucasfilm and hence are canon per leeland chee

Bingo.




It means they aren't indisputable gospel that you, and a few others have been parroting around. If they are subjective, than they aren't objective, meaning there is room for debate and discussion.

Isn't that lovely?



Yeah, which is to sell books and elicit interest in the reader - in other words, a marketing strategy. I picked up quite a few novels because the blurb was especially interesting.

1. They remain canon unless there's a basis for said blur being subjective

2. So?

The blurb was subjective to begin with. What's the big deal that everyone's making out of this?

And who, or what, gets to decide the basis of that subjectivity? Because from where I stand, you're just performing mental gymnastics at this point.
The point is, blurbs are subjective and can be put under scrutiny if the argument is right.

Case dismissed.





Your sentence structure confused me.

1.Kek, fine, I concede, assuming the "argument is right" regarding the Plagueis blurb
2. Why should I care that it's used for marketing?

This person called DarthAnt66 has supposedly debunked this feat? Where?