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Who wins?

no bfr

Versions of all?

Billy Soloes

Billy doesn't solo, but team 1 wins.

Team 2 shitstomps, assuming that everybody but Citizen Steel is New 52.

This isn't even close.

How do they prevent themselves from being BFR'd by Cyborg?

Aquaman thanks to trident could put any of them down before their able to physically put him down either. Physically their all about the same tier.

Steel might be a tad bit higher.

Team 2 wins a solid majority.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
How do they prevent themselves from being BFR'd by Cyborg? The thread specifically says no bfr. Maybe you should read it.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman thanks to trident could put any of them down before their able to physically put him down either. Lmao at Aquaman being the big threat here, or his trident suddenly being kryptonite for all top tiers.

That would be a no.

OMAC has ranged blasts that shatter mountains:
http://imgur.com/14bqEF0

Stagger Power Girl:
http://imgur.com/ZZV7xsP

With accuracy and skill:
http://imgur.com/Zc3Wzw6

OMAC is also physically much stronger than Aquaman.

He'd beat the utter shit out of Arthur.

Frankenstein has his sword , which is more than enough to give him enough range to stop Aquaman's trident, before physically beating the shit out of him, also.

Citizen Steel is so much stronger than Aquaman, that he could just pin him down and f*ck him in the ass if he so wishes.

OMAC also fought Superman. DCnU Superman whom said OMAC MIGHT be even stronger than him.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/OMAC_zpsbn9qoe3m.png

Franksenstein also stalemated OMAC. Both are top tier in strength, no doubt.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/FN_zpseunweilt.jpg

And Citizen Steel is even stronger than both of them.

Cyborg BFRs them

One panel and it's a stalemate between Frank and OMAC.

Aquaman did the same thing for a panel to Frank..

Noone suggest the trident is kryptonite. But I'm not surprised your brain went their.

Aquaman is strong enough to put a hole in anyone here with his Trident. He put a Crack in Darkseid's chest whose far more durable than anyone here. And he rimmed a trident through Rao a amped Kryptonian.
http://m.imgur.com/a/XWUnj

In regards to mountain shattering Aquaman fought with Hercules h2h and Hercules was destroying mountains by flexing.

Regardless Cyborg's sonics should give team 2 hell.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
One panel and it's a stalemate between Frank and OMAC.

Aquaman did the same thing for a panel to Frank..

Noone suggest the trident is kryptonite. But I'm not surprised your brain went their.

Aquaman is strong enough to put a hole in anyone here with his Trident. He put a Crack in Darkseid's chest whose far more durable than anyone here. And he rimmed a trident through Rao a amped Kryptonian.
http://m.imgur.com/a/XWUnj

In regards to mountain shattering Aquaman fought with Hercules h2h and Hercules was destroying mountains by flexing.

Regardless Cyborg's sonics should give team 2 hell.

Oh, there are more pages, I just decided to only post once scan. Superman was surprised of OMAC's strength and even said he might be even stronger than he. He needed his heat vision to get him out of his hold.

OMAC also has BROTHER EYE for a power boost, as well.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
One panel and it's a stalemate between Frank and OMAC.

Aquaman did the same thing for a panel to Frank..
A panel of Frankenstein and Aquaman grabbing eachother in the background is not the equivalent of Frankenstein and OMAC having a whole goddamn issue dedicated to their fight. Are you retarded?

Did you just compare this:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11124/111244877/5082144-3276570-3259477-aq_frank%2B2.jpg

with this:
http://imgur.com/a/0wC6y
?

Frank and OMAC are peers, and much stronger than Aquaman. OMAC is so strong that Superman put is as a possibility that he is stronger than him. If you think Superman would ever question whether or not Aquaman is his equal in strength, nevermind superior, you can log off right now.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Noone suggest the trident is kryptonite. But I'm not surprised your brain went their. You're, like a moron, treating the trident as a no-limits kills-it-all weapon. Frankenstein's weapon completely neutralizes Aquaman's, OMAC's range completely neutralizes Aquaman. They'd both beat the shit out of him. And if you think Aquaman beats Citizen Steel, you're in for a stomping.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman is strong enough to put a hole in anyone here with his Trident. He put a Crack in Darkseid's chest whose far more durable than anyone here. And he rimmed a trident through Rao a amped Kryptonian.
http://m.imgur.com/a/XWUnj His opponents aren't standing with their back turned here. Rao was weakened, and moments later pierced by Diana with a goddamn random spear:
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Justice%20League%20of%20America%202015-%20008-012_zps8cbsc3hy.jpg
Clearly, that spear would make the might of team 2 here tremble!

https://media.giphy.com/media/yHpvgfOKKBAD6/giphy.gif

Aquaman barely hurt Darkseid, and he needed to stab him in the eye to have lasting effect.

When the fight starts, Aquaman doesn't get free shots on his opponents - just in case we're clear. Maybe you're letting your masturbatory fantasy get the beter of you.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
In regards to mountain shattering Aquaman fought with Hercules h2h and Hercules was destroying mountains by flexing. Where did Hercules destroy mountains by flexing? Are you referring to him removing himself from a bunch or rocks here?

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Justice%20League%20of%20America%202015-%20008-012_zps8cbsc3hy.jpg
Tell me you are. Make it beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're retarded.

Also, did you just argue that Aquaman can just walk through mountain destroying blasts, and OMAC wouldn't just hit him with it until he is out, because Hercules punched him? Where did Hercules punch with mountain destroying strength? He didn't. How is that comparable with a continuous mountain-destroying blast? It isn't. Holy shit. When will you wake up from your fantasy land?

Show me Aquaman being attacked with mountain destroying attacks continuously and advancing through them. Now.

King Shark was able to take several hits from OMAC no problem.
http://m.imgur.com/a/RtFto

Aquaman indirectly Oneshots Nanue
http://m.imgur.com/a/roWgC

There's also the fact this is the same continuity Aquaman was able to break out of Diana's grip physically

http://m.imgur.com/qsahV1s


Aquaman did better then mountain destroying attacks. He took Atlan's scepter attack that dwarfs any mountain on the planet in regards to damage Output.

http://m.imgur.com/a/Opunl
http://m.imgur.com/a/pLBDV

Diana was armed by the weapons of Olympus it wasn't a random spear... He was also said to be more powerful than Superman. You either don't read the comics but decide to comment on them. Or are incapable of being truthful.

Why would a random spear harm a Kryptonian under a yellow sun? If Rao lost his life force he'd just become a base Kryptonian not a human..

Aquaman also stabbed Darkseid in the chest and arms. Again not paying attention to what goes on in the comics.. Strange you suggest your a fan of the character..
http://m.imgur.com/a/lEedw

Only Leaguer to pierce any durable part of Darkseid as well. Hal's constructs were breaking upon contact.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
King Shark was able to take several hits from OMAC no problem.
http://m.imgur.com/a/RtFto Lots of characters have been able to take hits from Superman, too. Doesn't change the fact that Superman is much stronger than Aquaman, yet he still thought that maybe OMAC is stronger than him. Something that Aquaman couldn't even dream of.

I know you're a notorious coward, but you can't dodge this fact forever.

Get your head out of the toilet water and welcome to the real world.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There's also the fact this is the same continuity Aquaman was able to break out of Diana's grip physically

http://m.imgur.com/qsahV1s What does that have to do with anything? Breaking Diana grips makes him possibly stronger than Superman? Would Superman ever say that Aquaman is possibly stronger than him?.

Answer it, little boy.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman did better then mountain destroying attacks. He took Atlan's scepter attack that dwarfs any mountain on the planet in regards to damage Output.

http://m.imgur.com/a/Opunl
http://m.imgur.com/a/pLBDV That's a feat of strength, not durability.

Aquaman has been hurt by much, much, much less than city or mountain destroying attacks.

Would you like me to begin showing dozens of examples?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Diana was armed by the weapons of Olympus it wasn't a random spear... He was also said to be more powerful than Superman. You either don't read the comics but decide to comment on them. Or are incapable of being truthful.
Truthful? Let's see who's a lying piece of shit.

Tell me, dummy, where did Aquaman get the trident he stabbed Rao with?
Oh wait, he got it in Olympus, from Diana, the same place she got the spear:

http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/Philosophia/media/Justice%20League%20of%20America%202015-%20007-018_zpsbjsmdo6i.jpg.html

Why did he get a new trident? Because he lost his own one when he was ambushed earlier:

http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/Philosophia/media/Justice%20League%20of%20America%202015-%20006-006_zpsccbk6kxu.jpg.html
http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/Philosophia/media/Justice%20League%20of%20America%202015-%20006-007_zps1auglibm.jpg.html
http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/Philosophia/media/Justice%20League%20of%20America%202015-%20006-017_zpsztjm8e1z.jpg.html
http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/Philosophia/media/Justice%20League%20of%20America%202015-%20006-018_zpspumahojr.jpg.html

You're purposely misleading people into thinking the trident he stabbed Darkseid with is the same trident he stabbed Rao with, you disingenuous, hypocritical moron.

Rao wasn't at full power, as he himself atests in your own goddamn scan:
http://imgur.com/a/XWUnj
He severed his link, and Superman beating on him was draining him of his powers.

Rao is also a kryptonian, ignoramus.
Guess which specific thing krytonians are weak against, which the trident is?

I'll let you have a guess. Starts with M, from moron.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman also stabbed Darkseid in the chest and arms. Again not paying attention to what goes on in the comics.. Strange you suggest your a fan of the character..
http://m.imgur.com/a/lEedw

Only Leaguer to pierce any durable part of Darkseid as well. Hal's constructs were breaking upon contact.

I already mentioned the fact Aquaman barely hurt Darkseid with his attack, and needed to stab his eyes to do any damage.

Hal's constructs were breaking because they're not piercing weapons. It's like comparing a slegdehammer, with a knife.

You're so dumb, it's stupendous you're alive at this age.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
King Shark was able to take several hits from OMAC no problem.
http://m.imgur.com/a/RtFto

Aquaman indirectly Oneshots Nanue
http://m.imgur.com/a/roWgC

There's also the fact this is the same continuity Aquaman was able to break out of Diana's grip physically

http://m.imgur.com/qsahV1s


Aquaman did better then mountain destroying attacks. He took Atlan's scepter attack that dwarfs any mountain on the planet in regards to damage Output.

http://m.imgur.com/a/Opunl
http://m.imgur.com/a/pLBDV

King Shark proved no match for OMAC. Plus, in that same arc, OMAC treated POWERGIRL like nothing.

Strength has never equated to Striking power it doesn't in comics or irl so I don't get the point. On top of that Superman is a character that typically holds back there's no excuse for OMAC in that instance because it's not something we can suggest he's doing.

I'm working alot and going to school, so I'm just going to address the incorrect points and ignore the childish remarks.

What relevance does what Superman says make? Here you are making assertions I didn't again. Superman could say whatever he wants it doesn't make it fact. He repeatedly changes his mind on who the most powerful or dangerous person on the planet is, mind you.



I could show you examples of Supes struggling with characters way below his weight range to. Ironically you brought up he holds back and your trying to use him as an example for OMAC... A bit double standardized...

If someone hits you with a baseball bat and you catch it with your hands. Taking in that force is durability as well as strength if you stopped that forward movement.

Aquaman's original trident is indestructible, the Poseidon one isn't shown in JLRebirrh's first story. I'm not hiding anything. It honestly makes the fact a weaker trident could do that better in regards to the original. On top of that to be able to peirce anything that is extremely durable you'd need the strength to do so..

Also Rao wasnt any less durable which you can't prove.. He used some of the life force of his followers which is a regenerative trait. It's what makes him immortal. Really hard stuff to lowball but the circles being made to do it is impressive.

I really don't get what's with this piercing stuff... Id think it was common sense to know. If you have a titanium knife that doesn't mean you can stab into 5 in. of metal. Without the strength to do it. There's some precedence of blunt force durability in regards to piercing...

Also Hal used chainsaw constructs on Darkseid to no effect so that's not correct on your part

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BINUcqQDy-g/UwncR1eCkpI/AAAAAAAAnZQ/bOVTQkbugKw/s1600/p6_2.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0tMiZNlP7EY/UwncV4UomhI/AAAAAAAAnag/uRmqAio-pBs/s1600/p6_3.jpg

Originally posted by Zack M
King Shark proved no match for OMAC. Plus, in that same arc, OMAC treated POWERGIRL like nothing.

My point was OMAC couldn't Oneshot Nanue, Aquaman did pretty much indirectly with more people as support for KS in the Aquaman instance as well.

Aquaman has the best chance to physically end things because of his Trident is my point.

Can't really remember Powergirl doing anything in the Nu52 that's impressive unless we scale off Darkseid..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
My point was OMAC couldn't Oneshot him, Aquaman did pretty much indirectly with more people as support for KS in the Aquaman instance as well.

Can't really remember Powergirl doing anything in the Nu52 that's impressive unless we scale off Darkseid..

She held a whole mountain range in that arc. Beastly strength feat.

Michael's sword>>Trident.

Originally posted by Zack M
She held a whole mountain range in that arc. Beastly strength feat.

Scans?

Don't have them on me, but once OMAC awoke, the mountain was coming down. She held it, so the Suicide Squad could live.

Sounds interesting any indication on the size?

I'll try and find them later. OMAC also killed King Shark's dad, pretty easily. Overall, KS wasn't any type of threat.

Frankenstein also restrained Wonder Woman, killed Solomon Grundy (For a time), stalemated OMAC, etc...

Aquman is out of his depth, IMO.

Originally posted by Zack M

Aquman is out of his depth, IMO.

If that was an intentional pun, I'm going to kill you.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Strength has never equated to Striking power it doesn't in comics or irl so I don't get the point. On top of that Superman is a character that typically holds back there's no excuse for OMAC in that instance because it's not something we can suggest he's doing.

I'm working alot and going to school, so I'm just going to address the incorrect points and ignore the childish remarks.

What relevance does what Superman says make? Here you are making assertions I didn't again. Superman could say whatever he wants it doesn't make it fact. He repeatedly changes his mind on who the most powerful or dangerous person on the planet is, mind you.



I could show you examples of Supes struggling with characters way below his weight range to. Ironically you brought up he holds back and your trying to use him as an example for OMAC... A bit double standardized...

If someone hits you with a baseball bat and you catch it with your hands. Taking in that force is durability as well as strength if you stopped that forward movement.

Aquaman's original trident is indestructible, the Poseidon one isn't shown in JLRebirrh's first story. I'm not hiding anything. It honestly makes the fact a weaker trident could do that better in regards to the original. On top of that to be able to peirce anything that is extremely durable you'd need the strength to do so..

Also Rao wasnt any less durable which you can't prove.. He used some of the life force of his followers which is a regenerative trait. It's what makes him immortal. Really hard stuff to lowball but the circles being made to do it is impressive.

I really don't get what's with this piercing stuff... Id think it was common sense to know. If you have a titanium knife that doesn't mean you can stab into 5 in. of metal. Without the strength to do it. There's some precedence of blunt force durability in regards to piercing...

Also Hal used chainsaw constructs on Darkseid to no effect so that's not correct on your part

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BINUcqQDy-g/UwncR1eCkpI/AAAAAAAAnZQ/bOVTQkbugKw/s1600/p6_2.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0tMiZNlP7EY/UwncV4UomhI/AAAAAAAAnag/uRmqAio-pBs/s1600/p6_3.jpg


Oh you and your aquaman fanaticism.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Oh you and your aquaman fanaticism.

Are you even relevant in any thread that doesn't involve Superman.

Originally posted by Zack M
I'll try and find them later. OMAC also killed King Shark's dad, pretty easily. Overall, KS wasn't any type of threat.

Frankenstein also restrained Wonder Woman, killed Solomon Grundy (For a time), stalemated OMAC, etc...

Aquman is out of his depth, IMO.

I think your downplaying the KS fight against OMAC. You end a fight with someone whose no threat in one or 2 panels not several.

I do agree OMAC was obviously the superior which was obvious given KS was tag teaming against OMAC and still on the losing end.

It still doesn't change the fact a bite from KS harmed OMAC or that KS was able to take several hits before going down.

You'd have to show me the other instances. I remember Frank tossing Diana in a panel during Trinity War. But nothing like being restrained by just Frank.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I think your downplaying the KS fight against OMAC. You end a fight with someone whose no threat in one or 2 panels not several.

I do agree OMAC was obviously the superior which was obvious given KS was tag teaming against OMAC and still on the losing end.

It still doesn't change the fact a bite from KS harmed OMAC or that KS was able to take several hits before going down.

You'd have to show me the other instances. I remember Frank tossing Diana in a panel during Trinity War. But nothing like being restrained by just Frank.

KS has a good bite, but my point still stands, OMAC is superior.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Are you even relevant in any thread that doesn't involve Superman.
I'm relevant in everything boy. Your reliance on just one showing against King Shark is amusing to say in the least.

Originally posted by Zack M
KS has a good bite, but my point still stands, OMAC is superior.
Never suggested OMAC is inferior to KS just that he did have some trouble.

I even keyworded what I'm focusing on and it's being danced away and ignored for some reason. KS took multiple shots from OMAC. As well as harmed him via bite.

I agree OMAC is superior to KS so it's a point we both share.

That wasn't a good example, though. Both superboy and wonder woman have struggled with KS.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Strength has never equated to Striking power it doesn't in comics or irl so I don't get the point. On top of that Superman is a character that typically holds back there's no excuse for OMAC in that instance because it's not something we can suggest he's doing.

What relevance does what Superman says make? Here you are making assertions I didn't again. Superman could say whatever he wants it doesn't make it fact. He repeatedly changes his mind on who the most powerful or dangerous person on the planet is, mind you.

I could show you examples of Supes struggling with characters way below his weight range to. Ironically you brought up he holds back and your trying to use him as an example for OMAC... A bit double standardized... Superman remarked on his strength specifically after getting hit and grabbed by him:
http://imgur.com/r9wWDZC

It's irrelevant whether OMAC truly is or not stronger than Superman - the mere fact that Superman would take it as a possibility puts him far above Aquaman.

Don't tell me you believe Superman would ever say Aquaman might be stronger than him. Is that your position, dummy?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm working alot and going to school, so I'm just going to address the incorrect points and ignore the childish remarks. The fact that you're going to school is a good thing - hopefully in a few years you'll at least be able to form a rational thought!

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman's original trident is indestructible, the Poseidon one isn't shown in JLRebirrh's first story. I'm not hiding anything. It honestly makes the fact a weaker trident could do that better in regards to the original. On top of that to be able to peirce anything that is extremely durable you'd need the strength to do so..

Also Rao wasnt any less durable which you can't prove.. He used some of the life force of his followers which is a regenerative trait. It's what makes him immortal. Really hard stuff to lowball but the circles being made to do it is impressive.

You're a misleading piece of shit for not specifying the fact that it's completely different tridents, and you're on minus credibility now, since you were already on 0.

You can't transfer feats, no matter how much you want to do it.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Also Rao wasnt any less durable which you can't prove.. He used some of the life force of his followers which is a regenerative trait. It's what makes him immortal. Really hard stuff to lowball but the circles being made to do it is impressive. Rao is a kryptonian, who are specifically weak to magic, explaining him getting pierced by magical items of olympus - such as the spear and the trident .

His connection was severed and he was weakened by Superman beating on him and draining his power.

The fact that you've ignored half a dozen points throughout this discussion as you've got stomped on them, doesn't mean I'm going to let EVERY SINGLE one slip away, doofus.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Also Hal used chainsaw constructs on Darkseid to no effect so that's not correct on your part

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BINUcqQDy-g/UwncR1eCkpI/AAAAAAAAnZQ/bOVTQkbugKw/s1600/p6_2.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0tMiZNlP7EY/UwncV4UomhI/AAAAAAAAnag/uRmqAio-pBs/s1600/p6_3.jpg

A breakable construct from a literal rookie Hal is not proof that Aquaman's piercing ability is beyond Hal's, who has feats like this:

http://i.imgur.com/MObQT6Y.jpg

What's next, Aquaman beats Hal?

Not trying to backseat mod, but maybe people should chill before the topic gets closed? I'm as guilty as everybody else of getting heated. And this is part of why KMC isn't what it was. So maybe we should be more civil?

Except to Zack. **** him and his puns.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cyborg BFRs them

This thread can now be closed.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Not trying to backseat mod, but maybe people should chill before the topic gets closed? I'm as guilty as everybody else of getting heated. And this is part of why KMC isn't what it was. So maybe we should be more civil?

Except to Zack. **** him and his puns.

I retract the piece of shit part

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This thread can now be closed.

No BFR you piece of shit.

By your same logic piercing durability feats for the Guardian Hal blasted through? Because that's the logic your using..

You'd also have to prove the power of the construction blast is greater. Which would be hard to do given Hal was blasting at Darkseid during Darkseid Wars to no effect as well.

There's a point when excuses are just excuses...

It's weird cause about 10 issues in Wonder Woman knocked Hal on his assistant just by stomping on the ground. Diana is weaker than Superman.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125203/4174598-2837939145-justi.jpg

40 issues in Orion the weaker son of Darkseid manhandled Hal. That's several issues to be a rookie in... and Orion is Superman esque.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MSrXLITYhvA/VDSjgCvs_LI/AAAAAAAAtWg/i2K-th_8HBM/s1600/orion%2Bvs%2Bgl%2B1.jpg

Not exactly Hal but the entire Corps didn't have any effect where they were piercing in Darkseid's body in Darkseid War. Hell Hal with several corps members were failing to restrain Grail who is weaker than Darkseid.

Hal's construct power has never shown to hurt Darkseid in this present continuity.
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/wonder-woman-defeats-grail-and-darkseid-darkseid-war-2.png
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NDIcklbcGaw/V0e3QYW6TrI/AAAAAAAUq-A/nb-b7WbMU1MiTbL9asRxEdvDJmoisf3TACLcB/s1600/05_05.jpg


Hell in regards to statements Superman compared Mongul's strength to Darkseid and Diana was able to beat Mongul and Non by herself. And I also don't see Supes and a amped Batman beating Darkseid themselves.

Aquaman also has statements where he's referred to as one of the strongest people on Earth or in Last Days of Superman where he was recruited to make Vandal's most powerful army. Doesn't mean much. By statements Aquaman also took hits from someone he suggested strikes harder then Superman.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
By your same logic piercing durability feats for the Guardian Hal blasted through? Because that's the logic your using..

You'd also have to prove the power of the construction blast is greater. Which would be hard to do given Hal was blasting at Darkseid during Darkseid Wars to no effect as well.

There's a point when excuses are just excuses...

It's weird cause about 10 issues in Wonder Woman knocked Hal on his assistant just by stomping on the ground. Diana is weaker than Superman.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125203/4174598-2837939145-justi.jpg

40 issues in Orion the weaker son of Darkseid manhandled Hal. That's several issues to be a rookie in... and Orion is Superman esque.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MSrXLITYhvA/VDSjgCvs_LI/AAAAAAAAtWg/i2K-th_8HBM/s1600/orion%2Bvs%2Bgl%2B1.jpg

Not exactly Hal but the entire Corps didn't have any effect where they were piercing in Darkseid's body in Darkseid War. Hell Hal with several corps members were failing to restrain Grail who is weaker than Darkseid.

Hal's construct power has never shown to hurt Darkseid in this present continuity.
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/wonder-woman-defeats-grail-and-darkseid-darkseid-war-2.png
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NDIcklbcGaw/V0e3QYW6TrI/AAAAAAAUq-A/nb-b7WbMU1MiTbL9asRxEdvDJmoisf3TACLcB/s1600/05_05.jpg It's lovely how you're desperately trying to turn this thread into Hal vs Aquaman, moving the goalpost hard enough that you're visibly shitting yourself. Aquaman did more damage to Darkseid with a piercing weapon than rookie Hal did with his constructs.

DS War Darkseid is far more powerful than JLA Origins Darkseid, you f*cking moron.
The Hal that killed the Guardian is vastly superior to rookie Hal, you f*cking moron.
Krona's durability was ridiculous, and you'd know that if you read the arc, you f*cking moron.

Since you ignored every one of these points once you got stomped on them:
Concession accepted on you purposely misleading about the tridents being the same.
Concession accepted on Rao getting pierced due to magic/weakened.
Concession accepted on Aquaman never having withstood a continuous mountain-destroying attack.
Concession accepted on Hercules never shrugging off a mountain
Concession accepted on one-panel Aquaman/Frankenstein being anywhere near close to showing them as peers when compared to Frankenstein/OMAC full issue fight.
You're literally trolling/spamming the thread by ignoring every point of this discussion.
Now go back to school, kid. 2nd grade teacher is waiting for you.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hell in regards to statements Superman compared Mongul's strength to Darkseid and Diana was able to beat Mongul and Non by herself. And I also don't see Supes and a amped Batman beating Darkseid themselves.

Aquaman also has statements where he's referred to as one of the strongest people on Earth or in Last Days of Superman where he was recruited to make Vandal's most powerful army. Doesn't mean much. By statements Aquaman also took hits from someone he suggested strikes harder then Superman.


Beating them =/= being stronger.
One of the strongest =/= maybe stronger than Superman.
Taking hits from somebody stronger than Superman =/= being stronger than Superman

How dumb can you be that I actually have to explain that shit to you?

In case you're dumb enough that you don't even know what "=/=" means - it means the two statements are not equivalent.

Would Aquaman EVER be reffered as possibly stronger than Superman? Stop trying to doge the question, coward.

I'm not turning this into Hal vs Aquaman.. you did by saying that Darkseid had no piercing durability feats. I just proved you wrong and am still questioning why that had any relevance. Given how piercing works by a logical standpoint and the fact that Hal used piercing constructs against Uxas.

You keep moving the goal post and cowering by making excuses though.

Excuses/Response
1E. Darkseid has no piercing durability feats
1R. That's not true Hal attacked him with bladed constructs that had no effect on Darkseid. On top of the fact it requires strength to plow through something very durable no matter if the object used is sharp or not..

2E. Hal was a rookie. Look at scan of him blasting through this Guardian and ignore everything I said about Piercing Durability.
2R. 40-50 issues later Hal's constructs aren't doing anything better damage to Darkseid and related characters... Like it or not but Aquaman's trident had more force to it. Does that mean Aquaman would beat Hal in a fight? No it just means his Trident stab has more offensive power.

Which has been my point in this thread that what he lacks in physical might which isn't much at all. His Trident gives him an offensive edge.

Keyword in that phrase. "Maybe stronger" logically I can loop around the fact Aquaman beat up Orm who oneshotted Nu52 Superman. If we went by ABC logic. I could also bring up the fact OMAC took way longer to take down King Shark then Aquaman did as well.

I'm not saying Aquaman is physically superior to OMAC. I'm saying that Aquaman has the physicals to hang and the gear to inflict more damage than visa versa.

What's your excuse about Grail whose weaker than Darkseid..? Where are you getting DS War Darkseid is more powerful than JL Origins Darkseid I don't remember that ever being stated?

There was an entire mountain behind Aquaman and Hercules that fell on top of them both. You have to be generous with ignoring what's there to suggest there wasnt. There's no concession to my point there. It's a matter of seeing what you don't want to see, which seems pretty consistent with alot of prior stuff you stated...

How is Krona's durability impressive and your not even mentioning any of the piercing durability feats you were so concerned about? Don't have a stroke over something that's just suppose to be about a conversation about fictional characters.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not turning this into Hal vs Aquaman.. you did by saying that Darkseid had no piercing durability feats I never said this, you lying piece of shit . Are you illiterate?

At this point you're spamming.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You keep moving the goal post and cowering by making excuses though.
"I know you are but what am I?"

You're really twelve, aren't you?
Are you at least in high-school?
I've humiliated you on every single point we've had on this thread, and you've just moved on and started throwing the next shit.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Does that mean Aquaman would beat Hal in a fight? No it just means his Trident stab has more offensive power.


Holy shit did you just say Aquaman's trident has more offensive power than Hal?

I invite you to a battlezone with a permaban on the line, right now.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Keyword in that phrase. "Maybe stronger" logically I can loop around the fact Aquaman beat up Orm who oneshotted Nu52 Superman. If we went by ABC logic. I could also bring up the fact OMAC took way longer to take down King Shark then Aquaman did as well. Aquaman wasn't, won't, or ever will be 'maybe stronger' than Kal. Superman would never entertain the thought that Aquaman is stronger than him - the fact that he did against OMAC is unequivocally proof that OMAC >>> Aquaman.

Would Aquaman EVER be reffered as possibly stronger than Superman? Stop trying to dodge the question, coward.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not saying Aquaman is physically superior to OMAC. I'm saying that Aquaman has the physicals to hang and the gear to inflict more damage than visa versa. You said that Aquaman and OMAC are in the same tier physically - it's your first post, goldfish. OMAC is decisively in the 'maybe stronger than Superman' tier, which Aquaman needs a telescope to see.

Aquaman wouldn't get close to hit him with the trident, given the fact that OMAC has mountain-destroying blasts, which Aquaman has 0 feats to show he can take.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There was an entire mountain behind Aquaman and Hercules that fell on top of them both. You have to be generous with ignoring what's there to suggest there wasnt. I'll let the forum judge you to be retarded:

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Aquaman%202011-%20030-012_zpswmz5dkc2.jpg~original

Forum users, EcstaticGrace thinks this bundle of rocks that Hercules is under, and the subsequent rock he lifts, as being an entire mountain. Can we all take a break and laugh at his stupidity?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
How is Krona's durability impressive and your not even mentioning any of the piercing durability feats you were so concerned about? Don't have a stroke over something that's just suppose to be about a conversation about fictional characters.

Read the story you f*cking moron:

http://i.imgur.com/S5sSAcR.jpg

Let me guess, Aquaman's output is above those too, am I right?

You're literally tiers below carver, quanchi or anybody I've ever met in terms of intelligence on this forum.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Don't have a stroke over something that's just suppose to be about a conversation about fictional characters.

Our conversation is about how stupendously stupid you are, the fictional characters are just arguments.

I don't know how words on the internet are representatives of 'strokes'.

The hoops you jump through to be continuously wrong is outstanding...

Do you honestly miss this stuff or are you ignoring them?
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/5817366-20170423_114753.jpg
https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/5817371-20170423_114815.jpg


In the scan you posted what piercing attack is Krona taking? Isn't that the fuss you were making?

How much energy output are they even putting out? Questionable ABC.

I can just see Phildo having an aneurysm right now. Actually just screaming at his screen.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I can just see Phildo having an aneurysm right now. Actually just screaming at his screen. This is literally me right now:

0MRmxfLuNto

It sounds much more angry when typed.

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Anyway, enough of this. Time to put EcstaticGrace in the retard-bundle and let him be.

How am I the one rambling. Lol.

If anything I think I'm being more well mannered. Your acting like a monkey flinging it's poop because your in a bad mood.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I can just see Phildo having an aneurysm right now. Actually just screaming at his screen.

Battlezone time!