Batman Vs Omega Red

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riv6672
http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Batman-Rebirth-banner-e1459450194577.jpg

No prep.
No BFR.
Gotham City. 1 block start distance.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111165517/3849672-omega_red_jim_lee.jpg

Vanguard
Red

Dareangel
If no prep for batman omega red. even if he will prep and get something against the death spores, still omega red has his tenticles, super human strength, super human speed and durability as well as healing factor. its hard for me to see batman putting him down unless freezing him or something.

riv6672
Guess Bats better use that 1 block distance to run...

Dareangel
Lol even that wont help him omega will catch up. he better bring the bat mobile as prep to the fight to run when the fight begins.

riv6672
I almost gave him the vehicle, actually.

Dareangel
that would even the odds if it wasnt for the healing factor and enough strength to lift the batmobile and throw it somewhere. hell, the tenticles might be able to crush the batmobine. they are carboranium

riv6672
Depends how much pressure they can exert.
Would be interesting to see him try.

emu
Batman wouldn't last a page against Omega Red in a DC comic. For me it's very close to being a stomp.

StiltmanFTW
Yeah. A better man, Daredevil, has tried. And failed.

KingD19
Originally posted by riv6672
Depends how much pressure they can exert.
Would be interesting to see him try.

He tore apart a suit of Iron Man armor.

Dareangel
Originally posted by KingD19
He tore apart a suit of Iron Man armor.

thats really a WOW feat. because it takes much more force to tear apart and seperate a structure than simply crushing it.

DTM
Yep, going with Omega Red pretty solidly as well.

riv6672
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah. A better man, Daredevil, has tried. And failed.
A better man indeed. thumb up

DarkSaint85
<.<

>.>

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/111336/4643740-6917388091-5c64b.jpg

WW failed, even before he was upgraded, and wasn't in his suit, and was injured, with a sneak attack.

Dareangel
as much as that could be fun, even this top of them all feat wont help. omega red will simply tear him apart with his tentacles.

DarkSaint85
He's too fast!!!!

Note how even when sucker punched/injured/WW blitzing him, he's still fast enough to grab his belt?

Mind you, he can also outrun HV from a bloodlusted Supes:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4YE61fVjlYE/WIqkfxxEMVI/AAAAAAABqdo/J-ejOY55c1g5k27LXSI5XDJCFUbRq1aSACLcB/s1600/33_009.jpg

DarkSaint85
All jokes aside, Batman has the stealth feats (in his own city no less) to sneak up and win with his toys. That's without prep.

emu
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All jokes aside, Batman has the stealth feats (in his own city no less) to sneak up and win with his toys. That's without prep. Best prep would be to get WW involved, and sit this one out.

Dareangel
what standard toys does he carry to put down omega red?

riv6672
Originally posted by emu
Best prep would be to get WW involved, and sit this one out.
LOL

Originally posted by Dareangel
what standard toys does he carry to put down omega red?
Please dont let him say 'gas pellets'.

emu
Sonics to disrupt Omegas coordination, a stealth powerd batkick to the back to overbalance Omega Red, and a flash freeze capsule to put him on ice.
Except Red would power through that shit and carbonadium whip the soul out of Batman

Stoic
Without the death spores, I'd give Batman the win. He's defeated Grundy, and several others that are within Omega Red's class and higher. Those spores give Omega Red an unfair advantage, and with his Carbonadium tentacles it would be over before it began.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Dareangel
what standard toys does he carry to put down omega red?

http://i.imgur.com/Drj3MqM.png

He has similar foam:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batman38-batfoambarrier.jpg

Plus:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmanconfidential2-grapnelgun2.jpg

But what if it doesn't work?
http://i.imgur.com/j6xpxGt.png

Tasers work just fine on ole' Arkady.

Batman has shut Cyborg down (plus the JLA transporters) with a blast.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmanrobin33-batzapped.jpg

Dareangel
Originally posted by riv6672
LOL


Please dont let him say 'gas pellets'.

gas doesnt effect omega red. also, his death spores will take batman out if he wont prep for the fight.

Dareangel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://i.imgur.com/Drj3MqM.png

He has similar foam:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batman38-batfoambarrier.jpg

Plus:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmanconfidential2-grapnelgun2.jpg

But what if it doesn't work?
http://i.imgur.com/j6xpxGt.png

Tasers work just fine on ole' Arkady.

Batman has shut Cyborg down (plus the JLA transporters) with a blast.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmanrobin33-batzapped.jpg

batman will die from the death spores unless he is prepared. as i recall omega red later broke thru that didnt he? also, it was lamely writen because omega red could use his tentacles to rip the foam.

as for the ropes omega red has his tenticals which will easily break thru that. at base he is class 10. the tentacles can rip a tank.

the electricity didnt take out omega red. also batman is no ironman, just because ironman has massive amounts of electricity in his suit, doesnt mean batman has the same amounts in his toys. and even iromans electricity voltage wasnt enough to take red out.

just because batman did it to cyborg and shut down his cybernetic system, doesnt by any means mean omega red has same weakness as well. omega red is not operating on some system.

DarkSaint85
MOAR FOAM!

This is used to contain a large building sized explosion:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/detective38-chemicalfoam1.jpg

As for electricity, here's 50,000 volts:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbelt-volts.jpg

There are other showings of his tasers, of course. But thought I'd just post these.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Dareangel
batman will die from the death spores unless he is prepared. as i recall omega red later broke thru that didnt he? also, it was lamely writen because omega red could use his tentacles to rip the foam.

as for the ropes omega red has his tenticals which will easily break thru that. not to mention class 10 strength that along with his armor and healing factor will allow him to go that extra mile and break thru.
Class 10? Lol I just showed them being class 15 rope. PLUS immobilising foam. PLUS other toys.


I showed it affects him, enough to stun him so that IM could throw him around like a toy.

He can pile ALL his toys onto OR, which is my point. Not JUST foam, or JUST cables, or JUST tasers. But all of them, spammed.

Like here, when he fights Emperor Penguin. He spams acid batarangs, tasers, and gas:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Strategy-Tactics/Solo%20Battles/detective20-emperorpenguinvsuberbat1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Strategy-Tactics/Solo%20Battles/detective20-emperorpenguinvsuberbat2.jpg

Again, my point is that in character, he empties his belt of toys. Red isn't JUST resisting foam - but cabling, foam, ice, tasers, acid, the whole shebang. Bats would and has thrown everything at foes before.

As for your point about Cyborg?

How about Superman:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmansuperman15-batazervsuperman.jpg

riv6672
Well, the foam's not holding anyone on ORs level, not sure who the cable's holding, IMs tasers are likely more powerful, and Cyborg's well, a Cyborg, more prone to feel that type of attack.
Thank GOD for no gas pellets, though!

Dareangel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
MOAR FOAM!

This is used to contain a large building sized explosion:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/detective38-chemicalfoam1.jpg

As for electricity, here's 50,000 volts:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbelt-volts.jpg

There are other showings of his tasers, of course. But thought I'd just post these.

first of all how powerful was that explosion. secondly the explosion is a 1 time mass and thats it, once you contain it its all over. omega red with his tentacles can break concrete and rip apart a tank. also, creating constant pressure on the foam since its not a 1 hit explosion but the tenticales using their force to rip the foam apart over and over will eventually rip thru if not at the start as i believe.

as for the electricity, we dont know how powerful was the electricity voltage used by ironman. for all that we know it could be more powerful. and of course, i will point again that it didnt take him out. omega red has carboranium armor and a healing factor better than wolverines. no electricity is taking him out. wolverine and colossus stated that thru all the years they know omega red, their only chance to defeat him was to freeze him. unless batman has some serious freezing powers with him, like mr freezes gun on a high level, i dont see him stopping red with anyhting.

Dareangel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Class 10? Lol I just showed them being class 15 rope. PLUS immobilising foam. PLUS other toys.


I showed it affects him, enough to stun him so that IM could throw him around like a toy.

He can pile ALL his toys onto OR, which is my point. Not JUST foam, or JUST cables, or JUST tasers. But all of them, spammed.

Like here, when he fights Emperor Penguin. He spams acid batarangs, tasers, and gas:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Strategy-Tactics/Solo%20Battles/detective20-emperorpenguinvsuberbat1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Strategy-Tactics/Solo%20Battles/detective20-emperorpenguinvsuberbat2.jpg

Again, my point is that in character, he empties his belt of toys. Red isn't JUST resisting foam - but cabling, foam, ice, tasers, acid, the whole shebang. Bats would and has thrown everything at foes before.

As for your point about Cyborg?

How about Superman:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmansuperman15-batazervsuperman.jpg

just pointed out that without his tenticales he is class 10 alone. his tentacles crush concrete and tanks. colossus couldnt handle his tentacles... i dont thing a big buble gum is going to hold him.

we dont know how powerful was the electricity ironman used. also, after he recovers from batmans electricity, if it will even stun him in the first place, there isnt much batman can do. as i said, batman is not ironman.

and as i said, it wont do any good vs someone who has carboranium armor as well as a healing factor. acid? its like a glove on his hand to handle acid. as i told you already, colossus and wolverine commented that nothing aside of freezing omega red could put him down.

everything you mentioned will do nothing against him. its not the quantity but quality. if i have thousand of candies to throw at omega red it doesnt mean he will go down.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Dareangel
first of all how powerful was that explosion. secondly the explosion is a 1 time mass and thats it, once you contain it its all over. omega red with his tentacles can break concrete and rip apart a tank. also, creating constant pressure on the foam since its not a 1 hit explosion but the tenticales using their force to rip the foam apart over and over will eventually rip thru.
It was building sized. Plus, that makes no sense. You're making it out as if OR has space to swing his tentacles when surrounded by foam, to whip his tentacles back and forth.

When in fact, he can't. No leverage. I can snap something, but encase me completely in a block of the same material? Whilst I'm also tied up in cabling that's stronger than me, whilst other toys are being dumped on me? No chance.



And of course, I then posted a scan of his tasers affecting Superman. You want to argue OR has better durability than Supes, be my guest.

He does actually have freezing weaponry on him as well, actually. So that's more stuff he can throw on.

Again:
Batman isn't just throwing a 15-ton cable, then sitting back It's the cable, plus the foam, plus the freezing, plus the tasers, etc etc etc that's all being piled on.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Dareangel
just pointed out that without his tenticales he is class 10 alone. his tentacles crush concrete and tanks. colossus couldnt handle his tentacles... i dont thing a big buble gum is going to hold him.

we dont know how powerful was the electricity ironman used. also, after he recovers from batmans electricity, if it will even stun him in the first place, there isnt much batman can do. as i said, batman is not ironman.

and as i said, it wont do any good vs someone who has carboranium armor as well as a healing factor. acid? its like a glove on his hand to handle acid. as i told you already, colossus and wolverine commented that nothing aside of freezing omega red could put him down.

everything you mentioned will do nothing against him. its not the quantity but quality. if i have thousand of candies to throw at omega red it doesnt mean he will go down.

As you said. Quantity, not quality. He's not adding his own strength to the tentacles lol.

If all he is is class 10, the cables will hold him fine. Crushing concrete etc doesn't mean much, as you don't need class 10 strength or more just to crush it.

Never said acid. You are (purposefully?) misunderstanding me. The point of the Emperor Penguin scan was to show that he spams his toys.

And again. The tasers affect beings like Superman. It would kill OR if he used it, lol.

riv6672
So you're saying Bats wont use them, then. stick out tongue

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
Well, the foam's not holding anyone on ORs level, not sure who the cable's holding, IMs tasers are likely more powerful, and Cyborg's well, a Cyborg, more prone to feel that type of attack.
Thank GOD for no gas pellets, though!

What's OR's strength level?

Thank god I posted Superman, too. As for Cyborg being more prone, he actually has shields to guard against such an attack. So, if anything, he's LESS prone.

His tasers are designed for people like Croc, and Grundy, after all.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batazerang1.jpg

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
So you're saying Bats wont use them, then. stick out tongue

He would if all else fails. After all, he doesn't use acid on normal thugs - yet, here he was in the scans I helpfully posted.

If people want to argue he'd hold back, well, I've shown he has variations in the strength of his tasers (50k volts, and now, 10k volts).

riv6672
Well, not sure what the worst damage ORs ever tanked is, but Wolverine's come back from a nuke. If their HFs are comparable, Bats really might want to hand this one to WW...

AKA though DS, thanks for turning this into a debate. thumb up

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
Well, not sure what the worst damage ORs ever tanked is, but Wolverine's come back from a nuke. If their HFs are comparable, Bats really might want to hand this one to WW...

AKA though DS, thanks for turning this into a debate. thumb up

Not talking about damage. And not talking about nukes - am fully aware that OR has a HF.

Am talking about immobilising, using items that are not only stronger than OR, but also remove his leverage.

Btw, for Dareangel: that was 50,000 volts that IM gave to OR. Now that you know, care to revisit your argument?

http://i.imgur.com/6nc3SS8.png

Which he can easily replicate:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbelt-volts.jpg

emu
I don't have the comic of Logan incapacitating Red with foam, so never thought of that. Would of naturally assumed Omega would be too good for such a cheap option :/
As for the volts, foam Arkady up stealth mode, light him up and have time to flex in front of WW I spose lol.
Still, just an extremely cheap way to win. Fuk you Wolverine

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not talking about damage. And not talking about nukes - am fully aware that OR has a HF.

Am talking about immobilising, using items that are not only stronger than OR, but also remove his leverage.

Btw, for Dareangel: that was 50,000 volts that IM gave to OR. Now that you know, care to revisit your argument?

http://i.imgur.com/6nc3SS8.png

Which he can easily replicate:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbelt-volts.jpg
heh heh, you're all wound up. Proceed. laughing

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
heh heh, you're all wound up. Proceed. laughing

thumb up well I've said my piece, and if people don't want to change their minds, then so be it.

OR has been incapacitated by foam, is Class 10 without tentacles (and we don't know what class his tentacles are), is in Batman's city, and has been badly affected by tasers.

Batman has foam, class 15 cabling, home advantage, the same voltage (at least) of electricity that has affected OR, plus other toys.

Including his showings against WW and Supes.

That's without using the version in OP, who is stronger/faster/more durable than the versions I've posted.

Peace out.

Dareangel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

It was building sized. Plus, that makes no sense. You're making it out as if OR has space to swing his tentacles when surrounded by foam, to whip his tentacles back and forth.

When in fact, he can't. No leverage. I can snap something, but encase me completely in a block of the same material? Whilst I'm also tied up in cabling that's stronger than me, whilst other toys are being dumped on me? No chance.



And of course, I then posted a scan of his tasers affecting Superman. You want to argue OR has better durability than Supes, be my guest.

He does actually have freezing weaponry on him as well, actually. So that's more stuff he can throw on.

Again:
Batman isn't just throwing a 15-ton cable, then sitting back It's the cable, plus the foam, plus the freezing, plus the tasers, etc etc etc that's all being piled on.

what do you mean building size? it was just an explosion inside the building. if it was meassured to a building, then the building itself would have all exploded inside. it was an explosion powerful enough for a store by the looks of that.

but thats the thing, his tentacles are flexible. its not dock ock tentacles. they are flexible and turning around from his wrists. they are capable of comming from all angles he wants. again, his tentacles are jus ttoo powerful, they ripped ironmans armor, concrete, they ripped tanks. a big buble gum or some cable are not holding the tentacles down.

again, healing factor. first of all omega red has carboranium armor hat deflects the electricity. secondly, his healing factor is greater than wolverines as wolverine himself stated. the damage which will be already reduced due to his durability and armor, will simply be healed. again, its not a good idea to use gas or electricity as a tactic vs someone who has a healing factor more powerful than wolverines.

again, if he carry with him something usually that can freeze then yes, i cant argue against that because it has been proven as useful against him.

Dareangel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As you said. Quantity, not quality. He's not adding his own strength to the tentacles lol.

If all he is is class 10, the cables will hold him fine. Crushing concrete etc doesn't mean much, as you don't need class 10 strength or more just to crush it.

Never said acid. You are (purposefully?) misunderstanding me. The point of the Emperor Penguin scan was to show that he spams his toys.

And again. The tasers affect beings like Superman. It would kill OR if he used it, lol.

he doesnt need to add any strength to tentacles that can hold colossus - a 100 tonner, rip apart ironmans armor, rip apart tanks atc atc. 15 ton cables are a toy to such force you cant argue against that. are you saying his tentacles can overpower colossus but they cant rip thru some calbes that has 15 ton pressure? come on man.

you did say acid as part of his tools. non of them will help. i already addressed the superman thing with healing factor.

Dareangel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not talking about damage. And not talking about nukes - am fully aware that OR has a HF.

Am talking about immobilising, using items that are not only stronger than OR, but also remove his leverage.

Btw, for Dareangel: that was 50,000 volts that IM gave to OR. Now that you know, care to revisit your argument?

http://i.imgur.com/6nc3SS8.png

Which he can easily replicate:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbelt-volts.jpg

yes but the 50,000 ironman used in your scan simply shows its not enough because it didnt take him out. it kinda stunned him but with his healing factor he was fine. thats batmans best trick but the healing factor red has will simply restore him perfectly. and nothing of batmans restraining toys, can handle the tantacles that hold down and overpower colossus and rip apart ironmans suit.

DarkSaint85
I said he spammed his toys. Not that he would use acid, or gas. Merely that he doesn't just throw one thing, then stop.

As for freezing:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/batmansuperman11-ghostsoldierfreeze.jpg

It's fast acting and cold enough to make intangible ghosts, solid.

Which is not that infeasible, as he carries it around for his foes like Clayface:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/baticecapsule1.jpg

And we know how much mass Clayface packs.

Dareangel
as pointed out, freezing will do the job. if batman has enough to freeze omega red entirely then he might win, however there are the death spores. you dont even need to be right next to omega red to get effected by them. i dont recall the distance of their effect but they will be leathal to batman if he doesnt prep for them.

DarkSaint85
thumb up
As I said in my post originally on page 2, he has ice weaponry. Which you then agreed with. So glad we all agree.

I've already posted how it flash froze Ghost Soldier entirely, so that the lasso could work.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/foreverevilbatmanvsbane-talonsonice1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/foreverevilbatmanvsbane-talonsonice2.jpg

Two Talons, frozen.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
is Class 10 without tentacles (and we don't know what class his tentacles are)

Based on what, exactly...? Some outdated internet bio? Thought you were better than this.

On panel, in Armor Wars retelling, it's been stated he has Thing-level strength.

His tentacles have restrained Colossus (short scene, but still) and a chopper.

At his best, even Hazmat suits failed to protect people from his Death Factor.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on what, exactly...? Some outdated internet bio? Thought you were better than this.

On panel, in Armor Wars retelling, it's been stated he has Thing-level strength.

His tentacles have restrained Colossus (short scene, but still) and a chopper.

At his best, even Hazmat suits failed to protect people from his Death Factor.

I was basing it on Dareangel:

Originally posted by Dareangel
at base he is class 10.

StiltmanFTW
Ah. That explains. A lot.

Continue laughing out loud

PS. You posted the original bat-foam feat from his sparring with Supes or not yet?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah. That explains. A lot.

Continue laughing out loud

PS. You posted the original bat-foam feat from his sparring with Supes or not yet?

No, not yet. You have it to hand?

StiltmanFTW
Nope. But I think it's on http://batmanfeats.blogspot.ca/.

emu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on what, exactly...? Some outdated internet bio? Thought you were better than this.

On panel, in Armor Wars retelling, it's been stated he has Thing-level strength.

His tentacles have restrained Colossus (short scene, but still) and a chopper.

At his best, even Hazmat suits failed to protect people from his Death Factor. Arkady is an absolute monster, without prep the fight is laughable. But Batmans utility belt is plot driven, so he always has what is needed.
And Omega Red being done with foam..... sigh

StiltmanFTW
It was S.H.I.E.L.D. foam. They have some uber tech.

emu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was S.H.I.E.L.D. foam. They have some uber tech. I don't care if it was liquid adamantium lol.
I get the shield tech, which is why I now think with prep Batmans got it, but jeez, Logan stands toe to toe against a nightmare for eighteen hours, he doesnt do Batman, not against a powerhouse like R.

DarkSaint85
It's not prep. Batman carries these things around without there being shown any prep.

It's not like Batman goes oh, I might meet Ghost Soldier, better pack this liquid nitrogen capsule just in case. Oh, better pack the tasers too. And the foam.

No, it's standard equipment.

StiltmanFTW
We cannot assume he packs everything at the same time, always, though.

Unless you have some proof that his utility belt has extradimensional pockets...

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We cannot assume he packs everything at the same time, always, though.

Unless you have some proof that his utility belt has extradimensional pockets...

Then this (and all Bat threads) kinda fall over.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Standard%20Advanced%20Prep%20Time/detectivecomics937-batmanutilitybeltitems.jpg

42 items (of which some items are multiples - batarangS, lockpickS, antitoxinS), and it's only 30%.

So he has around 140 items in the utility belt alone, as standard.

Not to mention his gauntlets, his gloves, the lockpick he stashes in his mouth, the tooth filled with a smoke bomb, his cape which has choloroform patched into it, the callous on his palm with more stuff hidden in it....

http://i.imgur.com/zbuFykW.jpg

Main point to take away: his standard equipment list is pretty extensive. If he has not been shown to be doing any special prep, then I assume it to be standard.

emu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We cannot assume he packs everything at the same time, always, though.

Unless you have some proof that his utility belt has extradimensional pockets... thumb up
You think when Batman gets manhandled, he always has liquid nitrogen on his person? Stupid thing to be carrying around when your day job is being thrown around, unless, you know, you got some ghosts to freeze :/

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by emu
thumb up
You think when Batman gets manhandled, he always has liquid nitrogen on his person? Stupid thing to be carrying around when your day job is being thrown around, unless, you know, you got some ghosts to freeze :/

Or one of your rogue's gallery is Clayface.

Or Firefly.

Or there's an entire organisation whose assassins (the Talons) are weak against ice.

Or any other criminal where ice is handy.

He carries Kryptonite on him. Does he fight Superman on the daily? Nah.

Dareangel
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah. That explains. A lot.

Continue laughing out loud

PS. You posted the original bat-foam feat from his sparring with Supes or not yet?

what are his strength feats without the tentacles that supress class 10? just to make it clear. the tentacles are much stronger than class 10. i am talking about omega red without them being a class 10.

StiltmanFTW
Already listed them.

Dareangel
you listed feats of him using his tentacles. as i have said his tentacles supress class 10 easily. i am talking about his strength without them.

StiltmanFTW
- embedding his fingers in Colossus' armor

- knocking down on its ass a Modular Iron Man suit with a single kick

- punching through Modok's armor and ripping its cables out

- one-shotting Beast

- throwing a decent sized boulder

- breaking free from chains

Dareangel
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
- embedding his fingers in Colossus' armor

- knocking down on its ass a Modular Iron Man suit with a single kick

- punching through Modok's armor and ripping its cables out

- one-shotting Beast

- throwing a decent sized boulder

- breaking free from chains

aside of maybe the first one, i dont see how the rest are supressing class 10. all of those stuff could be done by even sabretooth or wolverine without their claws.

StiltmanFTW
You see, unlike Doc Ock, Red doesn't need to use one tentacle to support himself - his own strength is sufficient. Just some food for thought.

Anyway, yeah, Colossus feat is probably his best one w/o tendrils.

http://i.imgur.com/M8DQ4Wd.png

Dareangel
wow that feat is insane. this indeed should put him above class 10.

P.S it seems like comic book writers have a fetish to let different characters break or rip colossus hide... hulk bending his wrists, nimrods breaking his arm, and now this

StiltmanFTW
Yeah, it happens from time to time. He's not indestructible.

emu
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or one of your rogue's gallery is Clayface.

Or Firefly.

Or there's an entire organisation whose assassins (the Talons) are weak against ice.

Or any other criminal where ice is handy.

He carries Kryptonite on him. Does he fight Superman on the daily? Nah. That's prep :/
What is standard equipment, if its not prep?

emu
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or one of your rogue's gallery is Clayface.

Or Firefly.

Or there's an entire organisation whose assassins (the Talons) are weak against ice.

Or any other criminal where ice is handy.

He carries Kryptonite on him. Does he fight Superman on the daily? Nah. Im sorry, my post you quoted is wrong. I meant the belt itself is prep, hence the nitrogen. Im scotch drunk, and bouncing between threads.
Wanted sarcastic, got it, and went opposite direction

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by emu
Im scotch drunk, and bouncing between threads.

It's more than ok to be drunk and kmc'ing thumb up

emu
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's more than ok to be drunk and kmc'ing thumb up As long as I can make sense, and that expired hours ago thumb up

StiltmanFTW
Life is not about making sense.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
thumb up well I've said my piece, and if people don't want to change their minds, then so be it.
Well, for my part, i was just ****ing with you. Like i said i aporeciate you turning this into a debate.

But you've hit on the salient point OF these threads.
No one changes their minds.
Posters just state their positions repeatedly until one or both parties get tired and move to the next subject.
Its still good fun though!

Dareangel
Originally posted by riv6672
Well, for my part, i was just ****ing with you. Like i said i aporeciate you turning this into a debate.

But you've hit on the salient point OF these threads.
No one changes their minds.
Posters just state their positions repeatedly until one or both parties get tired and move to the next subject.
Its still good fun though!

i have changed my mind some times, but that was due to lack of knowledge on my part and discovering something new. but yeah when a poster reach a point he knows what there is to know about a character i guess its that way.

riv6672
Bueno. thumb up

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