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No.

But that's not important. Where do YOU place SW characters?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No.

So Bane is trash tier. Got it.

Eh I tend to not really care much for who/what goes where, but got nothing better to do.

Force Users= Street High-High end(variable depending on who) realistically given The Force and what one could do with it.

Non-Force Users= Really depends on what gear they have frankly, so anywhere from Street to Mid as I see depending on what gear cause there's a ton of it which could make all the difference.

I mean you could give a Thug a set of Power armor and he'll jump up a few notches.

Where would you rank Grievous noting his stalemate of Windu whilst hindered and his ability to block blaster bolts without precognition.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Where would you rank Grievous noting his stalemate of Windu whilst hindered and his ability to block blaster bolts without precognition.

Legends Grevious is a Mid high end.

Grievous is mid-high tier, tbh. Also, Iron Man is closer to high tier than mid tier, tbh.

I would agree to Iron Man being low High tier.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Where would you rank Grievous noting his stalemate of Windu whilst hindered and his ability to block blaster bolts without precognition.

It wasn't a stalemate. Afterwards grevious indicated that dooku's earlier statement about how mace would put him beyond repair was correct. And the fight was incredibly brief

If anything I'd be using his wreckings of season 5 and season 6 kenobi in tcw, his ability to trash multiple council masters in ocw.

And his ability to ovderload the defenses of someone who deflected omnidirectional blaster fire from an entire army

Galan is currently arguing Canon!Yoda takes WW Hulk, so there's that.

The Ones are above Herald tier, but at the most wank possible, low Skyfather tier.

The Father ~ Odin.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It wasn't a stalemate. Afterwards grevious indicated that dooku's earlier statement about how mace would put him beyond repair was correct. And the fight was incredibly brief

If anything I'd be using his wreckings of season 5 and season 6 kenobi in tcw, his ability to trash multiple council masters in ocw.

And his ability to ovderload the defenses of someone who deflected omnidirectional blaster fire from an entire army

Grievous notes that Dooku was correct in the sense that he was too mechanical in his fighting style as it allowed Mace to exploit a contradiction between his sentient brain and computer brain.

The duel itself has them fighting evenly despite Grievous's hindrance. He only becomes an even more formidable opponent from analyzing Mace's fighting style which is why Mace didn't want to prolong the fight. As for how long the engagement was we know it was as long as it took for Kit and his 2 magnaguard opponents to cross over to the other side of the maglev in their fight. Since I hardly think Kit would have wanted to have been separated from Mace I imagine the progression from Mace and Grievous's location was a steady one as Kit analyzed the magnaguards fighting styles before taking them down.

Originally posted by MythLord
Grievous is mid-high tier, tbh. Also, Iron Man is closer to high tier than mid tier, tbh.

But how about you Wolf. Where would you put high tier Force users in relation to other fictional powerhouses?

Originally posted by MythLord
The Father ~ Odin.

Odin takes all 3 of The Ones.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Grievous notes that Dooku was correct in the sense that he was too mechanical in his fighting style as it allowed Mace to exploit a contradiction between his sentient brain and computer brain.

The duel itself has them fighting evenly. As for how long the engagement was we know it was as long as it took for Kit and his 2 magnaguard opponents to cross over to the other side of the maglev in their fight. Since I hardly think Kit would have wanted to have been separated from Mace I imagine the progression from Mace and Grievous's location was a steady one as Kit analyzed the magnaguards fighting styles before taking them down.
IIRC the fight was only a couple of exchanges. And I razer arguing it was only a few seconds somewhere based on Fisto's fight with the Magna guards

I'm not really sure where you're getting they fought evenly from considering The fight had
Mace's style being too advanced(skill) for grievous to properly replicate despite his insanely fast processing speed.

Mace opted for bfr because
A. He had to save the chancellor
B. the car was about to derail

Granted grievous was hindered though there's no basis for him fighting evenly on even ground when he's only capable of occasionally pressing a dude who is at best mace's equal with a blade(Dooku).

2. So in other words, grievous being a machine limits his ability to deal with force users as skilled as mace?

And you're forgetting the part of Dooku's assessment which included that mace would make grveious into scrap beyond repair

Yes. We don't know how long those exchanges were. Sunrazer's wrong considering what I just posted. For that to be the case Fisto and the magnaguards would have had to agree to race to the other side of the maglev before they started fighting. Something that I personally do not find very likely.

He replicated the style after analyzing it for a few seconds to an extremely accurate degree, to the point that Mace didn't want to prolong it for the feat of making Grievous even more deadly.

And even if your claim were true, what would Grievous's ability to process and replicate Mace's fighting style have to do with how well they did against each other in the fight?

And because he didn't want to allow Grievous more time to replicate his form and couldn't defeat him in the time it would have taken CIS reinforcements to arrive.

Dooku is the one who trained Grievous thus giving him an inherent advantage over the general. There's also the fact that Dooku has held back certain bits of knowledge on lightsaber combat from Grievous in case he ever decided to rebel against him.

2. And how is that?

He said the same about Cin Drallig who was two shot by Anakin and he said it when he was scolding Grievous for "disrespecting" lightsaber combat with his mechanical movements. Regardless, Mace and Grievous's and duel prove Dooku's assessment generally inaccurate.

In canon, they are as low as your scale goes

Originally posted by Darth Abonis
In canon, they are as low as your scale goes

Canon is ew.

Most of them are street level, with a few exceptions.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yes. We don't know how long those exchanges were. Sunrazer's wrong considering what I just posted. For that to be the case Fisto and the magnaguards would have had to agree to race to the other side of the maglev before they started fighting. Something that I personally do not find very likely.

He replicated the style after analyzing it for a few seconds to an extremely accurate degree, to the point that Mace didn't want to prolong it for the feat of making Grievous even more deadly.

And even if your claim were true, what would Grievous's ability to process and replicate Mace's fighting style have to do with how well they did against each other in the fight?
And because he didn't want to allow Grievous more time to replicate his form
and couldn't defeat him in the time it would have taken CIS reinforcements to arrive.

Dooku is the one who trained Grievous thus giving him an inherent advantage over the general. There's also the fact that Dooku has held back certain bits of knowledge on lightsaber combat from Grievous in case he ever decided to rebel against him.

2. And how is that?

He said the same about Cin Drallig who was two shot by Anakin and he said it when he was scolding Grievous for "disrespecting" lightsaber combat with his mechanical movements. Regardless, Mace and Grievous's and duel prove Dooku's assessment generally inaccurate.
1. I'm not familiar enough with that specific text so I'll just drop that point

A. First off, given grievous's insane processing speed, "a few seconds" would be ample time for grievous.

B. Second off, more importantly, you're utterly ignoring the context at play. It had nothing to do with grievous becoming more deadly. The reason he didn't want a prolonged engagement was because he had to rescue the chancellor, AND the thing they were fighting on was about to derail. All that proves is mace wouldn't have beaten grievous right then and there.

C. grievous's technique is derived from processing and replicating techniques and then executing everything he learns in a randomized and effecient manner. If Mace's technique is too advanced for grievous to copy, that mace is too skilled for grevious's computers to match him.

D. What are you basing that off?

E. Given that grevious would naturall's fighting styley, due to how is technique is derived, process whatever dooku is using and thus be incredibly familiar with dooku(or at least the parts of it dooku uses in his sparring sessions), I'd think that would go both ways.

F. I'm failing to see how knowledge grevious never got is relevant to grevious's capabilities as a fighter.

2, grevious as a machine, is too mechanical a fighter. So thus he would inevitably outmatched against force users who's force derived technique/skill are too much for his computers o process or imitate.

B. How does drallig getting stomped by anakin, a yoda/sidious level 9 fighter who would also stomp grevious, invalidate the quote? You realize that the one dude who dooku mentions who's duel with grevious had a decisive conclusion was kenobi, who, as dooku correctly predicted, put him beyond repair?

C. What? Grevious himself, based on his duel with mace, admitted dooku's assessment was correct.

What is the low-high tier nonsense... lol

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Galan is currently arguing Canon!Yoda takes WW Hulk, so there's that.

The Ones are above Herald tier, but at the most wank possible, low Skyfather tier.

Based on feats, the Ones aren't above herald level. They just have some nice hax. Though if you take the destroy the universe nonsense seriously they are above Skyfather.

And yeah Yoda may be able to take out Hulk. But that's due to Hulk's limited powerset being a poor match rather than Yoda being more powerful.

I'm taking the destroy the universe/ruin the Galaxy statements into account, along with assuming they can casually insta-shot the likes of DE Sidious, who's powers are well-documented.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm taking the destroy the universe/ruin the Galaxy statements into account, along with assuming they can casually insta-shot the likes of DE Sidious, who's powers are well-documented.

Not that far fetched when they're literally living embodiments of a cosmic well...force

What about the force priestesses?

Force priestesses are unquantifiable.

The Ones' collective limit, when wanking quotes to the max, is low-Skyfather tier (below Odin).

Star Wars characters range from street level to planet busters but its hard to scale them because the Force allows some to augment their damage output to herald level but their durability certainly is not anywhere near that.

Id say planet buster damage, building level durability; meaning what it would take to level a building a Sith/Jedi could tank

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
1. I'm not familiar enough with that specific text so I'll just drop that point

A. First off, given grievous's insane processing speed, "a few seconds" would be ample time for grievous.

B. Second off, more importantly, you're utterly ignoring the context at play. It had nothing to do with grievous becoming more deadly. The reason he didn't want a prolonged engagement was because he had to rescue the chancellor, AND the thing they were fighting on was about to derail. All that proves is mace wouldn't have beaten grievous right then and there.

C. grievous's technique is derived from processing and replicating techniques and then executing everything he learns in a randomized and effecient manner. If Mace's technique is too advanced for grievous to copy, that mace is too skilled for grevious's computers to match him.

D. What are you basing that off?

E. Given that grevious would naturall's fighting styley, due to how is technique is derived, process whatever dooku is using and thus be incredibly familiar with dooku(or at least the parts of it dooku uses in his sparring sessions), I'd think that would go both ways.

F. I'm failing to see how knowledge grevious never got is relevant to grevious's capabilities as a fighter.

2, grevious as a machine, is too mechanical a fighter. So thus he would inevitably outmatched against force users who's force derived technique/skill are too much for his computers o process or imitate.

B. How does drallig getting stomped by anakin, a yoda/sidious level 9 fighter who would also stomp grevious, invalidate the quote? You realize that the one dude who dooku mentions who's duel with grevious had a decisive conclusion was kenobi, who, as dooku correctly predicted, put him beyond repair?

C. What? Grevious himself, based on his duel with mace, admitted dooku's assessment was correct.

1.

A. You can't know how efficiently it analyzed Mace's form compared to other fighting styles it had analyzed without a basis for comparison so your point is moot.

B. I'm aware of the other factors being reasons that Mace broke off their engagement. I'm just telling you that the text indicates the reason I gave you is one of the factors he broke off the engagement considering he had just commented on Grievous creating an excellent if imperfect copy of his fighting style.

C. Please provide support for your claim even having been indicated indicated let alone accurate.

D. Same as B. Mace is commenting on Grievous's ability to replicate his form albeit imperfectly before monologuing that he doesn't want to prolong the engagement. Seems indicative of not wanting to give Grievous more tools for his arsenal.

E. I'd imagine Dooku knows how Grievous's body and systems functions as well or possibly better then Grievous himself given he had the body and systems of Grievous's suit designed for him and would likely familiarize himself with its capabilities. Considering he believes holding back certain things from Grievous in regards to lightsaber combat to be a boon in his favor if he ever had to fight the General I'm inclined to side with his thoughts on the matter rather then your theory crafting.

F. It's relevant to Dooku's ability to combat him in relation to Mace's which is what you brought up.

2, given that didn't happen in his fight with Grievous and it was Mace tricking the sentient side of his brain into contradiction with the computer part by simultaneously creating an opening while making another movement, this claim is unfounded. Nothing suggests he had trouble "keeping up."

B. Kenobi was stated by Mace to be a better match up for Grievous then himself. I do not share your view of Anakin being Yoda/Sidious tier.

C. No he didn't. He said he understood Dooku's warning about Mace's skill. Not that he agreed with Dooku's assessment of his placement in comparison.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Force priestesses are unquantifiable.

The Ones' collective limit, when wanking quotes to the max, is low-Skyfather tier (below Odin).
Whats odin/(in terms of say universa/planetary etc/)

Taking things to the absolute max, the father at his peak is above abeloth who is capable of dominating both the son and the daughter who can "tear the fabric of the universe"

Odin has several multi-galaxy feats and a few universal feats as well. Whereas the Son/Daughter "tear the fabric of the universe," Odin in his fight with Seth "tears the fabric of the multiverse." So, at best, The Ones/Abeloth collectively at full power MIGHT be on par with Odin. Most likely not, though.

Real talk, though, no one who Luke/Anakin are relative to is physically harming the galaxy, let alone the universe.

Well, I'm taking the quotes regarding the Son/Daughter to the absolute max, here.

Beerus oneshots

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
1.

A. You can't know how efficiently it analyzed Mace's form compared to other fighting styles it had analyzed without a basis for comparison so your point is moot.

B. I'm aware of the other factors being reasons that Mace broke off their engagement. I'm just telling you that the text indicates the reason I gave you is one of the factors he broke off the engagement considering he had just commented on Grievous creating an excellent if an imperfect copy of his fighting style.

C. Please provide support for your claim even having been indicated let alone accurate.

D. Same as B. Mace is commenting on Grievous's ability to replicate his form albeit imperfectly before monologuing that he doesn't want to prolong the engagement. Seems indicative of not wanting to give Grievous more tools for his arsenal.

E. I'd imagine Dooku knows how Grievous's body and systems functions as well or possibly better then Grievous himself given he had the body and systems of Grievous's suit designed for him and would likely familiarize himself with its capabilities. Considering he believes holding back certain things from Grievous in regards to lightsaber combat to be a boon in his favor if he ever had to fight the General I'm inclined to side with his thoughts on the matter rather then your theory crafting.

F. It's relevant to Dooku's ability to combat him in relation to Mace's which is what you brought up.

2, given that didn't happen in his fight with Grievous and it was Mace tricking the sentient side of his brain into contradiction with the computer part by simultaneously creating an opening while making another movement, this claim is unfounded. Nothing suggests he had trouble "keeping up."

B. Kenobi was stated by Mace to be a better match up for Grievous then himself. I do not share your view of Anakin being Yoda/Sidious tier.

C. No he didn't. He said he understood Dooku's warning about Mace's skill. Not that he agreed with Dooku's assessment of his placement in comparison.
A. Actually, we can because its explicitly stated he successfully analyzed mace's form. In the same line it's also explicitly stated that he couldn't perfectly replicate it:




All grevious was able to do was replicate it enough that it would prolong the engagement, thats it.

Additionally, Its explicitly stated in rots that the fight lasted a "single exchange":


Literally nothing in the text suggests that mace was scared about grievous;s ability to replicate his form. Given that Grievous was able to tot successfully analyze mace's form, and still failed to replicate,

I'd say the text disproves your claim.

All this says is Grievous could prolong the fight beyond a "single lightsaber exchange". Mace not wanting to continue because he had bigger fish to fry doesn't remotely suggest grievous stalemated him or was fighting evenly with him.

And if grievous doesn't have that knowledge vs Dooku, he wouldn't have it vs mace either

2.

A. It did happen, see above.

B. Not relevant to my point which is that when dooku's assessment was tested, it was right.

C. Your inability to accept authority is noted, but I'll be ignoring any judgments you base on your head canon regarding Anakin

D. You mean that that warning that mace would put grevious beyond repair if they had a full fight?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
A. Actually, we can because its explicitly stated he successfully analyzed mace's form. In the same line it's also explicitly stated that he couldn't perfectly replicate it:




All grevious was able to do was replicate it enough that it would prolong the engagement, thats it.

Additionally, Its explicitly stated in rots that the fight lasted a "single exchange":


Literally nothing in the text suggests that mace was scared about grievous;s ability to replicate his form. Given that Grievous was able to tot successfully analyze mace's form, and still failed to replicate,

I'd say the text disproves your claim.

All this says is Grievous could prolong the fight beyond a "single lightsaber exchange". Mace not wanting to continue because he had bigger fish to fry doesn't remotely suggest grievous stalemated him or was fighting evenly with him.

And if grievous doesn't have that knowledge vs Dooku, he wouldn't have it vs mace either

2.

A. It did happen, see above.

B. Not relevant to my point which is that when dooku's assessment was tested, it was right.

C. Your inability to accept authority is noted, but I'll be ignoring any judgments you base on your head canon regarding Anakin

D. You mean that that warning that mace would put grevious beyond repair if they had a full fight?

A. Successfully analyzing something isn't the same as analyzing every detail of something. Grievous's computer brain in no way was able to process the full extent of Mace's form yet it was enough to allow Grievous to create a decent imitation. If the computer had had longer to analyze it then it's only logical that it would have been an even better replica.

That's not what it says at all. Mace said he didn't want to prolong the engagement. Not that Grievous analyzing his form is all what allowed Grievous to last longer then he did. Your interpreting meaning that's not indicated let alone states.

Yes. We don't know how long the exchange lasted.

I beg to differ. Considering Mace mentions Grievous was capable of constructing a passable imitation of his form from their engagement and then comments that he doesn't want to prolong the fight in the same sentence, I believe it is indicative of him not wanting Grievous to be able to more fully analyze his form and as a result become even more deadly.

How exactly does it disprove my claim?

Considering neither gained an advantage in that fight despite Grievous being notably more hindered to a greater degree, I don't see why we'd assume Mace had the advantage.

But Mace doesn't know that and wouldn't know to exploit it like Dooku would.

2.

A. Nothing you posted above proves your claim.

B. Dooku's point in Drallig, which is what we're discussing, was never proven and it was outright shown to be wrong in regards to Mace.

C. What are you referring to here? You made a claim regarding Grievous's opinion that was wrong. He never states or thinks what you claimed.

D. Among others, yes.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Real talk, though, no one who Luke/Anakin are relative to is physically harming the galaxy, let alone the universe.
real talk luke isn't relative to either without circumstances and real talk anakin never came close to acheiving his potential which would have allowe dhim to be relative and actually superior to abeloth,

And Anakin happens to be an exception from the typical force user given his dad is literally the force itself

Not that the ones are universal(they aren't)

And the ones being able to "tear the fabric of the universe" doesn't make them universal anyways, just like Odin tearing the fabric of the multiverse doesn't make him Multiversal.

Sidious can tear the fabric of the universe.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Sidious can tear the fabric of the universe.
sids creates wormholes

thanos got injured by blackholes

Sids puts thanos in a hole

In a black wormhole

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Odin takes all 3 of The Ones.

Dying, in the process.

who cares about other universes.

^*****

Palpatine is omniversal:



The Son is above Palpatine:



The Father is above the Son:



Odin dies

If we take every statement as legit, then Hela is omniversal and Odin is omniversal++, so he can still beat the Son at least.

"The force flows through everyything"
Clearly the force emcompasses not only the omniverse but all of reality.

As the ones embody the force they're obviously reality emcompassing. And only pre 52 barry and the reality emcompassing speed force can hope to match such powerful entities

as if the term "reality" encompassed more than an omniverse anyways...