Hal Jordan Vs Black Bolt & Vulcan

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TethAdamTheRock
Who wins

Supermutant
You put a high end energy user against a high end energy manipulator. Why would Vulcan even need BB? Vulcan can amp of Oan energy and solo the other two.

DarkSaint85
Except Hal has gone up against THE will power energy manipulator (Krona, who possessed Ion).

And killed him.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
You put a high end energy user against a high end energy manipulator. Why would Vulcan even need BB? Vulcan can amp of Oan energy and solo the other two.
It's Hal Jordan. That should tell you why it's not possible to drain him.

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Philosophía
Hal.

RadZoa
Don't you need a high level of will power to even control Oan energy? How were Cyborg Superman and the Manhunters able to though?

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except Hal has gone up against THE will power energy manipulator (Krona, who possessed Ion).

And killed him.

This is a pis free forum not a GL book. What energy has Vulcan not been able to manipulate?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It's Hal Jordan. That should tell you why it's not possible to drain him.

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Dr. Light says high. Also I guess Dr. Light > Krona if some are attempting to act like Hal's ring has never been manipulated/controlled by an energy manipulator.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Supermutant
This is a pis free forum not a GL book. What energy has Vulcan not been able to manipulate?



Dr. Light says high. Also I guess Dr. Light > Krona if some are attempting to act like Hal's ring has never been manipulated/controlled by an energy manipulator.

I'm not saying Vulcan can't control it.

I'm saying Hal just overpowers other's control with sheer will power.

He regularly does things that no one else does. PIS? Maybe . But he does it on the regular. Even creating his own rings, which no one else can. Through will power alone.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
This is a pis free forum not a GL book. What energy has Vulcan not been able to manipulate?



Dr. Light says high. Also I guess Dr. Light > Krona if some are attempting to act like Hal's ring has never been manipulated/controlled by an energy manipulator.
Dr Light? Are we trying to go back before Johns retconned the entire GL mythos?

Galan007
Originally posted by RadZoa
Don't you need a high level of will power to even control Oan energy? Very high.

Even Batman, who some view as the epitome of strength/willpower, can barely interface with a GL ring, for example:
http://i.imgur.com/MTMFp1g.jpg

deathslash
Originally posted by Galan007
Very high.

Even Batman, who some view as the epitome of strength/willpower, can barely interface with a GL ring, for example:
http://i.imgur.com/MTMFp1g.jpg I'm sorry, but does Hal explicitly say that the power ring is a GL ring? From my knowledge, Batman has only ever used a Sinestro ring, and fear is a completely different monster.

Galan007
Originally posted by deathslash
I'm sorry, but does Hal explicitly say that the power ring is a GL ring? From my knowledge, Batman has only ever used a Sinestro ring, and fear is a completely different monster. GL's commonly refer to their rings as 'power rings'... In fact, their proper names are in fact "Green Lantern Power Rings."

...Aside from that, what else do you think Hal would be referring to there? confused


And Bruce has indeed used a GL ring in the past:
http://i.imgur.com/1pMKPvtm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/u9YxRlmm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/E1U4Qvdm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/irOPpBSm.jpg

deathslash
Originally posted by Galan007
GL's commonly refer to their rings as 'power rings'... I mean, what else do you think Hal is referring to there? confused


And Bruce has indeed used a GL ring in the past:
http://i.imgur.com/1pMKPvtm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/u9YxRlmm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/E1U4Qvdm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/irOPpBSm.jpg Don't the other corps also refer to their rings as power rings though?

Isn't the before the new 52?

Galan007
Originally posted by deathslash
Don't the other corps also refer to their rings as power rings though? Again, they're literally called "Green Lantern Power Rings." This is obviously what Hal was referring to when he said 'a power ring'.

Why are you making this harder than it needs to be?

Originally posted by deathslash
Isn't the before the new 52? Green Lantern continuity was not altered by the events of Flashpoint -- especially that written by Johns.

deathslash
Originally posted by Galan007
Again, they're literally called "Green Lantern Power Rings." This is obviously what Hal was referring to when he said 'a power ring'.

Why are you making this harder than it needs to be?

Green Lantern continuity was not altered by the events of Flashpoint -- especially that written by Johns. Not trying to start an argument, I simply interpreted what Hal said as him saying that Batman could barely use a Sinestro Corps ring (since Batman has use those rings twice with much effort). I was just asking for you to clarify which one Hal could be talking about since I'm not an authority on DC.

Galan007
Originally posted by deathslash
Not trying to start an argument, I simply interpreted what Hal said as him saying that Batman could barely use a Sinestro Corps ring (since Batman has use those rings twice with much effort). I was just asking for you to clarify which one Hal could be talking about since I'm not an authority on DC. Hal was undoubtedly referring to a GL power ring, as Bruce had significant difficulty interfacing with his ring under Johns. If Hal would have been referring to a SC ring, he would have specifically said "yellow ring" or somesuch. Like I mentioned: it is very common for a GL to refer to their rings as "power rings".

The other instances where Bruce displayed great difficulty controlling SC rings further establish how difficult it is for the untrained to properly wield emotional energy -- no matter how much willpower they seem to have.

TheHulkster
I agree that this would be better with just Hal vs Vulcan:

http://imgur.com/a/3Di9q#0

http://i.imgur.com/nVbATdN.jpg

Zack M
If its Hal as pure will, he destroys.

DarkSaint85
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-krona-3.png

vansonbee
Vulcan tears Hal will power apart and leaves his dried out corpses in the corner.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I agree that this would be better with just Hal vs Vulcan:

http://imgur.com/a/3Di9q#0

http://i.imgur.com/nVbATdN.jpg
Vulcan was made to destroy lanterns basically.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by vansonbee
Vulcan tears Hal will power apart and leaves his dried out corpses in the corner.

Vulcan was made to destroy lanterns basically.

Except when Hal went up against a guy who:


Was a Guardian (so had a programmed safe switch preventing lethal force being used against him AND
Had multiple emotional entities within him, INCLUDING the embodiment of willpower


He....killed that guy.

On the other hand, when Vulcan went up against BB, a guy who was all about control (what with his voice and all) he....didn't perform nearly as well.

Supermutant
Hal didn't perform well or at all against Orion. This is just Hal wankery week b/c of his recent feat but when he meets the next flying brick, he'll be back on his ass.

http://i61.tinypic.com/35lgq3o.jpg

DarkSaint85
Again:

Guardians don't just do well against Lanterns. They are IMPERVIOUS:

https://s5.postimg.org/4ld3l7cyf/krona2.jpg

Hal not only hurt Krona, but he killed him in a single blast, when Krona had all of the entities:

https://s5.postimg.org/bajn17yaf/krona.jpg

It's not just that he's the flavour of the week. These scans are from 2010....nearly seven years ago!

I could also post how Vulcan performed against another master controller - BB. Didn't go well for him.

Hal is tailor made to take out Vulcan. He has already faced a guy who SHOULD be completely immune, AND who can control willpower better than Vulcan can ever hope to.

And killed him.

Galan007
Originally posted by Supermutant
Hal didn't perform well or at all against Orion. This is just Hal wankery week b/c of his recent feat but when he meets the next flying brick, he'll be back on his ass.

http://i61.tinypic.com/35lgq3o.jpg Does Vulcan possess raw strength equal to that of Orion? If the answer is 'no', then I'm unsure why this matters here..? Either way, those were merely some of Hal's more casual constructs, and certainly not indicative of his 'peak'.

At this point it's quite indisputable: when Hal starts to truly apply his 'God-will', he is nigh-unbounded. He is a source of willpower superior to that of even the CPB -- and has been likened to the force that originally sparked the big bang itself(and this was a literal comparison, btw, as Volthoom was literally going to use Hal's will to remake the universe from the dawn of time forward)...

Zack M
Originally posted by Supermutant
Hal didn't perform well or at all against Orion. This is just Hal wankery week b/c of his recent feat but when he meets the next flying brick, he'll be back on his ass.

http://i61.tinypic.com/35lgq3o.jpg

That was BEFORE Hal was changing into a being of pure will, anyway.

leonidas
has hal ever been able to keep his ring from being drained by, say, a manhunter? because i think that is much more along the lines that this battle would take. i agree hal could simply overwhelm vulcan in some cases. vulcan wouldn't be able to control a full on blast (like he couldn't manipulate alll of bb's voice energy) but i see no way that he really couldn't just drain him ala a manhunter. /shrug

Zack M
Plus, its not just flavor of the week. Hal DESTROYED Zero Hour Parallax MONTHS ago. And DESTROYED Sinestro amped off the fear machine WEEKS ago. Hal is constantly above top tier for a long time.

cdtm
Agreed,,Hal would probably destroy Superman at this point.

Supermutant
Vulcan took a scream from Black Bolt at point blank range and was still able to reform himself. How does that help your position, lol?

Again show me one time Vulcan was not able to manipulate energy. Any type of energy even magical, even living energy, even psychic energy.

All your Krona scans show is that Krona > Orion.

Zack M
Krona>>vulcan, too.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Galan007
Does Vulcan possess raw strength equal to that of Orion? If the answer is 'no', then I'm unsure why this matters here..?

A good thing for Vulcan then is that he can amps his physicals off of energy like I mentioned in my first post.

lol this is really funny though so now we are going to pretend that Hal is unbeatable, green lanterns rings can't be drained or manipulated, and reforming after taking a Black Bolt scream directly in the face is a low showing.

Zack M
If you think Vulcan can take current Hal who has routinely tooled universal plus beings, then there is nothing more to say.

Galan007
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol this is really funny though so now we are going to pretend that Hal is unbeatable, green lanterns rings can't be drained or manipulated No one said Hal is 'unbeatable'. That's just you getting pissy for no reason.

What IS a fact, however, is that Hal can...and has...tapped-into his aforementioned 'God-will' a number of times now, and beaten a number of beings that he honestly had no purpose beating... Do you not understand that his willpower is > a being who controlled the universal embodiment of willpower?

Zack M
Yeah, Vulcan isn't just draining a ring, but the entirety of Hals own being.

deathslash
Why exactly are people only arguing regarding Vulcan? He has black bolt backing him up too.

eaebiakuya
Vulcan could lost a 1v1 fight, but here he just have to mess up Hal force field a bit to BB kill him.

Zack M
If Hal can survive a blast that not only destroyed Parallax, but also War World AND an amped attack by Mogo, I doubt Black Bolt would have any affect on him.

vansonbee
W/o Hal shield, BB turns him to dust, this time no Kyle to bring him back alive.

Zack M
Originally posted by vansonbee
W/o Hal shield, BB turns him to dust, this time no Kyle to bring him back alive.

Hal doesn't need shields anymore.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
If Hal can survive a blast that not only destroyed Parallax, but also War World AND an amped attack by Mogo, I doubt Black Bolt would have any affect on him. *physically fights gladiator and takes a cheap shot without it really doing anything to him*
*puts silver surfer on his ass*
*Fights thor evenly*
*A skrull imposter that doesn't even have his feats put WWH on his ass*

*still apparently can't do anything to Hal*

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
*physically fights gladiator and takes a cheap shot without it really doing anything to him*
*puts silver surfer on his ass*
*Fights thor evenly*
*A skrull imposter that doesn't even have his feats put WWH on his ass*

*still apparently can't do anything to Hal*

Those aren't really impressive, compared to what Hal has accomplished these past 12 months or so. Not even close. Thanks for trying though.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
*physically fights gladiator and takes a cheap shot without it really doing anything to him*
*puts silver surfer on his ass*
*Fights thor evenly*
*A skrull imposter that doesn't even have his feats put WWH on his ass*

*still apparently can't do anything to Hal*
Also gets a hole punched through him by Emma Frost.

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abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
Hal didn't perform well or at all against Orion. This is just Hal wankery week b/c of his recent feat but when he meets the next flying brick, he'll be back on his ass.

http://i61.tinypic.com/35lgq3o.jpg
Orion and the new gods were wanked to hell in that arc. This is how Sinestro handles a high end brick.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sinestro/Mongul:
http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046208_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-012.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046211_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-013.jpg http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046213_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-014.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046187_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-015.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046188_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-016.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046189_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-017.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046190_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-018.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046192_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-019.jpg http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/22046193_2015-01-28_07-22-32_-_Sinestro_2014-_009-020.jpg

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also gets a hole punched through him by Emma Frost.

thumb up A cheap shot when he's not trying to fight (in the very same arc where she casually takes control of magneto in spite of his past showings) is the rule and not the exception now? Nice attempt at lowballing, but it's gonna require a bit more than that.Originally posted by abhilegend
Orion and the new gods were wanked to hell in that arc. This is how Sinestro handles a high end brick. good thing this isn't Sinestro then. Also, has mongul actually beaten anybody in the new 52?

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
A cheap shot when he's not trying to fight (in the very same arc where she casually takes control of magneto in spite of his past showings) is the rule and not the exception now?

Cheapshot? He was trying to hit her from behind and she turned and punched through him.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0j60P6sQJnU/WOeelz7rpgI/AAAAAAAC_vw/Ep_aKe7Adig3YOECt0Iq56K3VdiIr_pEQCLcB/s1600/081_08.jpg



Seeing how Hal vaporized Sinestro with Parallax, I think he can replicate Sinestro beating Mongul at 10% of power.

He is stronger than Emma Frost.

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iceman24567
Lol looks like he in fact tried to cheapshot Emma but she turned the tables on his mute ass

DarkSaint85
Looks like all that training she did worked. She also shifts into diamond form pretty quickly.

Juntai
got tyrannosaurus rekt

DarkSaint85
I think View Comic is the most powerful weapon this forum has seen in recent memory.

Juntai
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think View Comic is the most powerful weapon this forum has seen in recent memory. Besides this?

abhilegend
Originally posted by iceman24567
Lol looks like he in fact tried to cheapshot Emma but she turned the tables on his mute ass
That's not the only time she owned him. Here she crushes his wind pipe with one jab.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/emma-frost-and-dazzler-takes-out-black-bolt-ivx-6.jpg

iceman24567
Lol..

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the only time she owned him. Here she crushes his wind pipe with one jab.

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/emma-frost-and-dazzler-takes-out-black-bolt-ivx-6.jpg That​ was the showing I was talking about.Originally posted by abhilegend
Cheapshot? He was trying to hit her from behind and she turned and punched through him.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0j60P6sQJnU/WOeelz7rpgI/AAAAAAAC_vw/Ep_aKe7Adig3YOECt0Iq56K3VdiIr_pEQCLcB/s1600/081_08.jpg



Seeing how Hal vaporized Sinestro with Parallax, I think he can replicate Sinestro beating Mongul at 10% of power.

He is stronger than Emma Frost.

thumb up and this is a clear example of PIS. Boltagon has taken hits from being that are far stronger and more durable than Emma could ever hope to be and somehow this showing is now the rule and not the exception? Keep in mind that both of those showings happened in an arc in which Emma somehow managed to pass Magneto's mental defenses and the writers had to make most of the Inhumans job in order to keep them from easily murdering the x-men.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
That​ was the showing I was talking about. and this is a clear example of PIS. Boltagon has taken hits from being that are far stronger and more durable than Emma could ever hope to be and somehow this showing is now the rule and not the exception? Keep in mind that both of those showings happened in an arc in which Emma somehow managed to pass Magneto's mental defenses and the writers had to make most of the Inhumans job in order to keep them from easily murdering the x-men.
We take all showings in account. Bolt's average has gone down and Hal's gone up.

Bolt stalemates top tiers. Hal kills above top tiers like Krona and Sinestro.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
We take all showings in account. Bolt's average has gone down and Hal's gone up.

Bolt stalemates top tiers. Hal kills above top tiers like Krona and Sinestro. and then top teirs like Orion and wonder woman push his shit in......

DarkSaint85
Could be worse.

Could be mid tiers literally pushing their hand in stick out tongue

carver9
Vulcan solos.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
and then top teirs like Orion and wonder woman push his shit in......
Orion was shown far above top tiers.

Diana merely cut him once. He was neither koed nor even close to being beaten.

Its better than Emma Frost punching through him though or crushing his windpipe.

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MrMind
Hal

Genii96
Wasn't black bolt's powers malfunctioning when Emma punched a hole through him? I remember his voice didn't work either




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Vulcan can handle this,assuming its not the abstract version of hal

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