Who's stronger... Orion or Majestic???

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carver9
Go!!!

LordofBrooklyn
Orion has a better frame of reference given his battles and strength feats.

What is TRULY of importance is that BOTH Orion and Majestros dwarf The Hulk in base strength!!!

cdtm
^^^^^ When you're right, you're right. thumb up

Digi
Majestic probably runs out of feats before most mainstream guys. But he was always written as the guy Superman would have been if he had been an eminently disciplined, occasionally ruthless warrior instead of a boyscout. When his book came out, the legitimately large-scale threats they threw at just him on a consistent basis were a refreshing "gloves off" approach to writing this type of character, and in sharp contrast with the Superman books at the time. I can't shake the idea that he's a notch above the other Super-clones out there for this reason, but I also realize that's because of his initial portraya more so than any specific feat.

cdtm
He did wtfstomp Eradicator on two occasions, and he literally has Superman dna.

Digi
True. Cpt. Atom punking Majestic did nothing for his cross-company cred (though it was a hilarious comparative boost for Apollo later in the same book). So like I said, he's probably a bit low on feats compared to someone like Orion who's been around forever. The planet-moving feat(s) Majestros had, after he built the gloves to keep the planets together, is probably the best bet of someone looking to rep him. But I don't know for sure.

DarkSaint85
Yeah, I see Orion as having the fights, but Majestic has the feats.

By that I mean,Maj has more space cheese, whereas Orion, just because one of his rogues happens to be Apokolips, and his rival is Supey, means he has more interactions to play off.

cdtm
That Captain Atom feat is often posted out of context, though. He had a piece of "void shard" in him.

Who's the guy that uses robot bodies? Forgeet his name, but he absorbed a piece of "void shard", and he was suddenly Majestic level, where he used to be a notch or two below in his best "military grade" suit.

So yeah, I can see Captain Atom ramping up to well past Maj. (That actually makes Apollo look even MORE impressve though. wink )

Digi
Originally posted by cdtm
That Captain Atom feat is often posted out of context, though. He had a piece of "void shard" in him.

Who's the guy that uses robot bodies? Forgeet his name, but he absorbed a piece of "void shard", and he was suddenly Majestic level, where he used to be a notch or two below in his best "military grade" suit.

So yeah, I can see Captain Atom ramping up to well past Maj. (That actually makes Apollo look even MORE impressve though. wink )

There wasn't even an implication of a void upgrade in that arc, though. I always took it to be Cpt. Atom at his regular levels. Interesting theory, but I'd need to be convinced.

Stoic
Originally posted by cdtm
That Captain Atom feat is often posted out of context, though. He had a piece of "void shard" in him.

Who's the guy that uses robot bodies? Forgeet his name, but he absorbed a piece of "void shard", and he was suddenly Majestic level, where he used to be a notch or two below in his best "military grade" suit.

So yeah, I can see Captain Atom ramping up to well past Maj. (That actually makes Apollo look even MORE impressve though. wink )

Are you talking about Spartan?

cdtm
Originally posted by Stoic
Are you talking about Spartan?

That's the one! thumb up

cdtm
Originally posted by Digi
There wasn't even an implication of a void upgrade in that arc, though. I always took it to be Cpt. Atom at his regular levels. Interesting theory, but I'd need to be convinced.

Has Void ever merged with someone and not amped them?

I mean, there's no question Captain Atom had part of Void in him, the story says as much. I could try and find scans of Spartan's own amping, if that means anything. The scene of Majestic running Spartan through from his series is actually in Armageddon..

Never did get how Armageddon and Majestic's story tie together. Did he die? Did a time duplicate die? Did Armageddon undo the events of Majestic?

"Id"
Majestic has better space cheese.
Orion has better encounters.

Digi
Originally posted by cdtm
Has Void ever merged with someone and not amped them?

I mean, there's no question Captain Atom had part of Void in him, the story says as much. I could try and find scans of Spartan's own amping, if that means anything. The scene of Majestic running Spartan through from his series is actually in Armageddon..

Never did get how Armageddon and Majestic's story tie together. Did he die? Did a time duplicate die? Did Armageddon undo the events of Majestic?

Majestic just showed up for a bit. He wasn't really a huge part of the Armageddon arc.

No need to post scans, though. I'm well aware of Spartan, and his Void upgrade. It's just that literally nothing about Cpt. Atom's feats required an upgrade, nor was there any implication of an upgrade. And merging with the Void entity like Spartan did is obviously different than having subatomic traces of it in your system. There was just no evidence of it in the comic, either explicit or implied. I think it's fair to say it made him unstable in a way that drove the arc (that much is self-evident, tbh), but in terms of direct affect on his powers, I don't think there's any reason to believe he got an upgrade.

Armageddon's implications were a touch unclear. He remade the Wildstorm universe, but most of it remained the same. There was only a passing reference to it a bit later in the Authority's run. It was like the softest reboot in comic history. From a canon perspective, it can safely be ignored, at least in terms of changing or erasing anything.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I see Orion as having the fights, but Majestic has the feats.

By that I mean,Maj has more space cheese, whereas Orion, just because one of his rogues happens to be Apokolips, and his rival is Supey, means he has more interactions to play off.
Which is why i choose Majestic.

panthergod
Majestic is stronger. Orion is substantially more formidable in combat.

Galan007
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By that I mean,Maj has more space cheese, whereas Orion, just because one of his rogues happens to be Apokolips, and his rival is Supey, means he has more interactions to play off. http://i.imgur.com/YCuRoNsh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ogSVtQ7h.jpg




http://i.imgur.com/olb6SQd.jpg






haw-som

TheManWhoLaughs
Orion even at his base avatar lvl stopped the oblivion bomb and fought Sivaa who was a threat to fourth world

carver9
Originally posted by TheManWhoLaughs
Orion even at his base avatar lvl stopped the oblivion bomb and fought Sivaa who was a threat to fourth world

I thought he was amped when he faced Sivaa?

Zack M
He was at his true form, IIRC.

Surtur
It depends. Majestic has moved planets. Orion has fought evenly with people like Superman. This thread is not "who has the better lifting feats" but who is stronger. Since it seems people here portray Superman as beyond planet moving(though not PC Supes level) it would seem Orion has the better feats if he physically matched Supes.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
I thought he was amped when he faced Sivaa? Nope. He was just 'scaled-up' so to speak, by Boom-Tubing from the 3rd dimension to the 4th World... Given the 4th World's higher-dimensional nature, it is necessary for Motherbox to automatically adjust the size/scale of those who venture to and from Apokolips/New Genesis -- this happens to everyone.

Orion explains this concept in detail here:
https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910645_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-011.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910646_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-012.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910647_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-013.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910648_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-014.jpg




If their size/scale isn't auto-adjusted, BAD things happen. For example, when Darkseid fell directly from the 4th World into the mainstream DCU during Final Crisis, his mere emergence into the 3rd dimension transformed him into a singularity of sorts that very nearly collapsed the whole of creation... *Just* because his f*cking size/scale wasn't adjusted by Motherbox.

New Gods are SO much more than most realize...

Zack M
Originally posted by Galan007
Nope. He was just 'scaled-up' so to speak, by Boom-Tubing from the 3rd dimension to the 4th World... Given the 4th World's higher-dimensional nature, it is necessary for Motherbox to automatically adjust the size/scale of those who venture to and from Apokolips/New Genesis -- this happens to everyone.

Orion explains this concept in detail here:
https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910645_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-011.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910646_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-012.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910647_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-013.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/34910648_New_Gods_1995-1997_010-014.jpg




If their size/scale isn't auto-adjusted, BAD things happen. For example, when Darkseid fell directly from the 4th World into the mainstream DCU during Final Crisis, his mere emergence into the 3rd dimension transformed him into a singularity of sorts that very nearly collapsed the whole of creation... *Just* because his f*cking size/scale wasn't adjusted by Motherbox.

New Gods are SO much more than most realize...

Would you say Orion (True form) is on Sundipped Superman level?

Galan007
Lol, what?

Without being scaled-down by Motherbox, New Gods in their 'true' forms are simply a dimension of actuality larger than anything from the 3rd dimension. There's no way to quantify something like that in comparison to... Superman, lol.

Khazra Reborn
I've always really enjoyed the New Gods, there's a lot of concepts, like their true power, and Promethian Giants and shit, that DC really should run with, but never do.

I picked up a few Hardcovers of Kirby's old 4th world stuff, it's pretty fun but it's just so dense and expository I have a hard time getting myself to read it some times.

"Id"
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, what?

Without being scaled-down by Motherbox, New Gods in their 'true' forms are simply a dimension of actuality larger than anything from the 3rd dimension. There's no way to quantify something like that in comparison to... Superman, lol.

So they are 4d imp level.

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