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Krillin been improving a lot in super, his power level probably around Frieza by now. What you guys think?

He was Frieza level by the Buu Saga. Super Krillin spites Namek Frieza

Originally posted by Tondemonai
He was Frieza level by the Buu Saga. Super Krillin spites Namek Frieza It was always implied, but never shown on panel that he did anything special feat wise.

Freeza level

Golden Freeza, maybe. He fought SSJ Blue Goku.

No he didn't

He sparred with him and to say he did anything other than lose is laughable. Goku was also obviously holding back immensely.

He is still weaker than 18 and their is no indication she has actually trained at any point.

Krillin effortlessly. Making current Goku go Super Saiyan is a far cry from anything Namek Frieza could even dream to be capable of.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Krillin effortlessly. Making current Goku go Super Saiyan is a far cry from anything Namek Frieza could even dream to be capable of.

He di not force him to go super saiyan. Goku was testing krillin's ability to stand up to him.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
He di not force him to go super saiyan. Goku was testing krillin's ability to stand up to him. Nope, Goku was getting overwhelmed.

https://youtu.be/7FrnSA8ZBfc

Watch 0:53. As a result of getting pushed back, he went super saiyan.

Krillin > Freeza saga Freeza.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Nope, Goku was getting overwhelmed.

https://youtu.be/7FrnSA8ZBfc

Watch 0:53. As a result of getting pushed back, he went super saiyan.

Have you seen all of Dragon Ball and honestly believe that was Goku's only option to get out of that?

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Have you seen all of Dragon Ball and honestly believe that was Goku's only option to get out of that? If we're taking all of Dragon Ball into account, there's no reason current Base Goku would've ever "gotten into that", much less found himself in a position where he needed to "get out." Nonetheless, canon is canon. Nothing to be done about that.

The crux of the matter is that Goku was being pushed, indicated he was struggling and immediately used SSJ to get himself out of a losing situation. Resorting to instant transmission would've merely gotten him back into the same situation .

Frieza stomps

Originally posted by carver9
Frieza stomps What your estimate on Krillin power level, compared to Frieza? I hope its close.

Originally posted by vansonbee
What your estimate on Krillin power level, compared to Frieza? I hope its close.

Not close to Frieza level. He just started training. Frieza tanked a planet exploding on him and almost sliced Namek in half with his index finger. Can you picture Krillin doing any of this let alone lift a mountain with his mind. He did all of this at his weakest state.

More of dat Carver logic

Originally posted by carver9
Not close to Frieza level. He just started training. Frieza tanked a planet exploding on him and almost sliced Namek in half with his index finger. Can you picture Krillin doing any of this let alone lift a mountain with his mind. He did all of this at his weakest state. Given that this series runs almost entirely on powerscaling . . . yes, I can picture that.

Krillin stomps.

A first.

And we now know the peanut gallery has their collective heads slightly less far up their bungholes then The Carv

You have no right to make any such judgment.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You have no right to make any such judgment.

Just take the compliment.

Frieza easily.

Lets put it this way. Krillin launched ki blasts that could only physically push Goku back after he caught him off guard. At no point did Goku take any damage in this fight in his base form. And Krillin was only able to do this with strategy. Is Krillin a better martial artist than Frieza? There is a very strong case for that. But There is no way in hell that Krillin could do enough damage to actually win in a battle to the death.

You guys are pretty much saying Krillin > Gohan because he can fight better in tournament rules or Batman > Superman Because he knows better martial arts.

Canonically Krillin is still much weaker than 18. 18 is weaker than base Goku by a lot. TO say otherwise is laughable. So to say that Krillin FORCED Goku to turn super saiyan is pure idiocy. So could the real possibility be, and hear me out, that Goku was doing what he went there to do and was testing Krillin's ability to fight stronger opponents. Because we all know flat out that base Goku could one shot Krillin without a thought.

But God forbid Goku would hold back against an opponent. I mean he's never done that before.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Lets put it this way. Krillin launched ki blasts that could only physically push Goku back after he caught him off guard. At no point did Goku take any damage in this fight in his base form. And Krillin was only able to do this with strategy. Is Krillin a better martial artist than Frieza? There is a very strong case for that. Everything you've said is undermined by the fact that Goku had been actively trying to attack Krillin while in base but was simply and utterly unable to do so. Hence him being overwhelmed. Whether you want to dismiss his feat as simply strategy (which is not the case, given that we know these guys are able to no-sell attacks from people significantly weaker, as shown during Perfect Cell vs Vegeta) is irrelevant; Namek Frieza has no special traits or abilities that would've enabled him to do anything Goku did not do in that skirmish.

In a fight to the death, Krillin would even be more effective given the kiezan / destructo disc and the theoretically broken combo that adding the tayoken / solar flare would involve.

Based on? No really, is there anything besides "there's no way Krillin can be that strong!!!" that makes you think that? Excessive reliance on headcanon is a real issue in this fandom.

Quantifiably speaking, how do tournament rules make Krillin better able to push base Goku back or enable him to even last one second in a beam struggle with SSJB Goku?

Says very little actually. If the writers want 18 to suddenly be a match for base Goku, she will be a match for base Goku. If the writers want her to somehow be able to deflect Goku's kamehameha, she will deflect his kamehameha. Headcanon means nothing. What we see on screen means everything. Hell, they could make Chaotzu > Whis tomorrow and wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it.

The real possibility is that Krillin (and even Roshi) is a popular character and there needed to be grounds for him to partake in the upcoming tournament arc. Hence, Goku succumbing to the worf effect

Now if the writers change their mind down the road (as Toriyama did in the Buu by having Goku go from telling Piccolo that he gave his all against Fat Buu to telling Vegeta that he held back), it'll be a different story. For time being though, power level headcanon is worthless. Krillin, Roshi, #17, Piccolo and Gohan are strong now. Get used to it.

SMH