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Superman, stronger, faster and more durable
WW better at h2h

The edge in h2h is not enough imho as it is only "boxing" by rules. So her skills are more limited while Kal is also a quite experienced brawler. Supes should take it more often then not. KO in the 12th round.

Eit: Cool pic btw.

Mmmmmmmmmmm!

Superman is much faster, much stronger and much more durable.

It's this, only with KO:

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4e7540e2083e67a676486da12b8e20b

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mmmmmmmmmmm!

You're a jerk.

Originally posted by Jake2TheJakenin
You're a jerk.

https://media.giphy.com/media/R4TNKaLCysd6o/giphy.gif

Where do you get those pics?

The gap between them is too big, even if WW has the advantage in h2h combat: Supes is much stronger, faster and durable.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://media.giphy.com/media/R4TNKaLCysd6o/giphy.gif Flash is really tapping into the speed force there.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/25/a7/66/25a7667b76fb41840d518aacded997fc.jpg

Everybody stop trolling and spamming these goofy boxing threads.

WW has faster reflexes and can hurt superman with her fists. Stronger opponents have gotten KOed plenty of times by beings that can dodge them and strike in return. WW wins.

Who would win MMA style?

WW wins. She's more skilled/experienced and has equal or greater reflexes and hand speed. That's all that matters.

Originally posted by Badabing
Everybody stop trolling and spamming these goofy boxing threads.

Ok.

To each their own, after all. I will only say this, and then I will leave it alone.

I just don't want to be part of some person's fantasy without my permission, and I don't think others would, either.

But when you have posts like:

Originally posted by Jake2TheJakenin
Dear Adult Chat's E-Hentai forums,


I have a strong fetish for muscular women and boxing girls, technically, although I hate people, so I would never enter a sexual relationship, I am bisexual in that I get aroused and turned on by pictures of girls and guys, especially if they are muscular, as boxers, and enjoy mixed boxing, like a boxing match like this:

I am currently isolated due to it. I have a friend named Jose-Ramiro, who has a boxing fetish, and draws pictures of cartoon characters and comic book characters boxing, and often it involves OCs of various people on DeviantArt, or characters from cartoons he loves, like Total Drama Island, Rugrats or Hey Arnold. Outside of DeviantArt, his art is often criticized for being immature and childish.

Here's a taste of his artwork, and

And I love the idea of a superstrong boxer like She Hulk or Superman entering the boxing ring, and wrecking the opponent's body with their gloves, seeing how much pain they can take before they give out entirely. And the ring collapsing and crumbling under their weight.

Personally, I despise a lot of Jose's fans, because they are openly retarded. I only really speak to Jose, because he is a nice guy and also has a boxing fetish, and I found out about this site through DA, actually.

Now, I want to write a story about Marvel and DC characters boxing eachother, but I don't know I'm doing it, because I want to sedate my fetish, as GameFAQs and Comicvine, sites where I could talk about my boxing fetish, I have been permabanned from, and I hate DA, and don't really know where to find people with a similar interest of superpowered boxing. I know that, I am writing a fanfiction involving Marvel and DC characters boxing, here's the list of match ups:

And:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=642759

And now, all I can imagine is h1's post being used as wank material. Is he OK with that? Maybe, I can't speak for him. But he should, at least, know.

In any case, like I said, Jake likes what he likes, and who am I to judge.

Originally posted by JBL
WW has faster reflexes and can hurt superman with her fists. Stronger opponents have gotten KOed plenty of times by beings that can dodge them and strike in return. WW wins. Originally posted by h1a8
WW wins. She's more skilled/experienced and has equal or greater reflexes and hand speed. That's all that matters.
Is that so? Care to prove she has faster reflexes?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so? Care to prove she has faster reflexes? Ask Batman.

Originally posted by JBL
Ask Batman.
Why would you need that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would you need that? Superman is faster than her in flying and running speed. The fastest superman was ever clocked at is 15 times the speed of light. FACT. WW is faster in reflex speed .

Originally posted by JBL
Superman is faster than her in flying and running speed. The fastest superman was ever clocked at is 15 times the speed of light. FACT. WW is faster in reflex speed .
15 times the speed of light? OK. I'll Humor that.

Where is she shown faster than that?

Originally posted by abhilegend
15 times the speed of light? OK. I'll Humor that.

Where is she shown faster than that? Reflex speed. She dusts him in reflex speed. Fact. Fun fact. Marvel speedsters are faster than DCs. Another Fact, both Marvel and DC writers agree that hulk beats superman. Speed means nothing. WW wins just like hulk.

Originally posted by Jake2TheJakenin
http://i.imgur.com/W92SpNG.jpg

I missed those pics

Wonder Woman kills him.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Where do you get those pics?

We live in year 2017, man. Don't tell me you can't google gifs.

Anyway, 2 sites to get you started:

- https://giphy.com/

- https://www.tumblr.com/

Originally posted by JBL
Ask Batman.

You mean this?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11118/111183084/4023525-5657008950-35a7p.jpg

Superman wins. Stronger by a fair amount, and just as fast, no matter how many time people post that same McDuffie scan over and over and over.

Originally posted by JBL
Reflex speed. She dusts him in reflex speed. Fact. Fun fact.

You're saying that a lot without any kind of proof.

Right. Can you prove any of that?

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman kills him.
Is that so? She has to ko him first and that's just not in her capabilities. Originally posted by TheHulkster
You mean this?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11118/111183084/4023525-5657008950-35a7p.jpg
That's just a lot of BS from McDuffie who admitted that he nerfed Superman on purpose so others can have a chance.

When Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman's powers and personalities were merged, they used Superman's reaction time to adjust because it's better than wonder woman's.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supeswwreactiontime.jpg

Yes, even wonder woman. Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman wins. Stronger by a fair amount, and just as fast, no matter how many time people post that same McDuffie scan over and over and over.
As fast? She has no feats even close to his reflex feats. It's all just one scan from McDuffie.

That's mental reaction time right? WW references muscle memory. And I gather that you will never again reference Panther's armbar of Surfer being that it is also McDuffie BS.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's mental reaction time right? WW references muscle memory. And I gather that you will never again reference Panther's armbar of Surfer being that it is also McDuffie BS.
No that's reaction time in general. They needed to physically adjust to a new reality.

Nobody references Panther armbarring Surfer except as a funny scene.

Originally posted by JBL
Another Fact, both Marvel and DC writers agree that hulk beats superman.

Some writers or all writers and do you mean by those writers YOUR personal friends there?

Originally posted by abhilegend
As fast? She has no feats even close to his reflex feats. It's all just one scan from McDuffie.

You're just looking for an argument, aren't you.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're just looking for an argument, aren't you.
Maybe.

uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe.

uhuh

http://i.imgur.com/pETAigH.gif

List of Prericho?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman wins. Stronger by a fair amount, and just as fast, no matter how many time people post that same McDuffie scan over and over and over. Yes. WW is faster skill wise and reflex wise. This is a boxing match but people are trying to make this out to be a all out brawl. Superman has to think to react, WW and flash do not. Not hard to understand not see how teams were built with characters bringing different abilities to the table. People want superman to be just as fast as flash and just as fast and skilled as WE reflex wise. Why even have WW and flash on the team if that's the case. Superman is no where near them. Flash and Zoom proved that as Mr just as fast was a statue.

Originally posted by JBL
Yes. WW is faster skill wise and reflex wise. This is a boxing match but people are trying to make this out to be a all out brawl. Superman has to think to react, WW and flash do not. Not hard to understand not see how teams were built with characters bringing different abilities to the table. People want superman to be just as fast as flash and just as fast and skilled as WW reflex wise. Why even have WW and flash on the team if that's the case. Superman is no where near them. Flash and Zoom proved that as Mr just as fast was a statue.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman's powers and personalities were merged, they used Superman's reaction time to adjust because it's better than wonder woman's.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supeswwreactiontime.jpg

Yes, even wonder woman.
As fast? She has no feats even close to his reflex feats. It's all just one scan from McDuffie.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/wwnospeedingbullet2.jpg

Do you know why WW was slower than normal there??? Tell the whole story when posting scans trying to prove something.

This appears to be the next page. He also attributes the next move to her improved reflexes:

http://68.media.tumblr.com/a33519c767604b6ffaecb35c83990a36/tumblr_mtcvyg0snN1qkd96uo8_1280.jpg

Here is another sparring session:

http://68.media.tumblr.com/1b8f46d595354065054151b35dc8f063/tumblr_mtcvyg0snN1qkd96uo2_1280.jpg

http://68.media.tumblr.com/78652303a1b771a5dc4cbcc9b4f368ce/tumblr_mtcvyg0snN1qkd96uo3_1280.jpg

What I'm getting is that the two have fairly similar speeds. One may be faster than the other, but it's not like one of them is going to be leaving the other as a statue. It's not Zoom vs Flash, where he's casually batting Flash away one handed, for example. More like two human boxers fighting each other.

It then goes down to strength and durability. Skills are....a wash as well, as they're being limited to boxing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so? She has to ko him first and that's just not in her capabilities.
That's just a lot of BS from McDuffie who admitted that he nerfed Superman on purpose so others can have a chance.

When Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman's powers and personalities were merged, they used Superman's reaction time to adjust because it's better than wonder woman's.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supeswwreactiontime.jpg

Yes, even wonder woman.
As fast? She has no feats even close to his reflex feats. It's all just one scan from McDuffie. So you can post a scan which clearly states that they are using supermans super senses and reaction and WW knowledge of magic which has absolutely nothing to do with who is faster and it still gets accepted by fans, yet a scan which directly tell us who is faster in reflex speed gets dismissed because fans don't like the answer. Then scans that deceive and have context gets accepted to aid superman also gets accepted without question?? This is rich.

OP has actually handicapped WW a lot here.

if she is faster (and I leave that to other people to argue), it's not by much.

Her reflex speed edge, if we go by the JLA scan, is due to muscle memory.

OP however has restricted it to boxing. Like asking someone who is fluent in ten languages, to suddenly start rapping in French. Yes, they can do it,and yes, they can do it well.....but by suddenly stopping her from using elbows, knees, wrestling moves,joint locks etc, purely for brawling....her muscle memory is liable to get her disqualified with illegal moves.

ESPECIALLY if her edge is based on her acting without thinking. Throw a punch at her,she counters with a hip throw.... disqualified.

Grab Superman's elbow and twist? Disqualified.

Headbutt? Disqualified.

Moreover, he still has his travel speed edge. In a boxing ring, he can do what Phildo showed in his very first scan....one second he's behind, the next, in front of her, then behind again, etc etc.

Of course, she can counter this by backing herself into a corner so that he can't get behind her....but it's not exactly a wise move lol.

An unrestrained Superman nearly broke her bracers and would have killed her in a few strikes, by her own admission.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/monstersupesvsww1.jpg~original

He's also knocked her out and fluung her across the solar system in one single strike:

http://oi738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/sacrificefight4.jpg

She has no such protection in the ring from his strikes. By all accounts, this fight would be over in moments.

Originally posted by JBL
So you can post a scan which clearly states that they are using supermans super senses and reaction and WW knowledge of magic which has absolutely nothing to do with who is faster and it still gets accepted by fans, yet a scan which directly tell us who is faster in reflex speed gets dismissed because fans don't like the answer. Then scans that deceive and have context gets accepted to aid superman also gets accepted without question?? This is rich.
So tell me if she is faster than Superman, why is she using Superman's reaction time to orient herself?

But as you are so eager to use statements, here Wonder woman herself admits that power girl is as fast as herself AT Least.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/w12.jpg

Power girl is faster than Superman too I presume?

WW isn't faster in any sense of the word. The stuff Batman says just ends up not making sense in the end. Yes, even Batman says stupid shit from time to time. We see he can blur across the room and slap WW away before she can react.

Wow! The bracelets didn't break, WW didn't die, WW was holding back, Batman gets accused of lying but other statements by characters gets accepted if it helps superman??? There's nothing more for me to say on this.

Originally posted by Surtur
WW isn't faster in any sense of the word. The stuff Batman says just ends up not making sense in the end. Yes, even Batman says stupid shit from time to time. We see he can blur across the room and slap WW away before she can react.

Wonder Woman wasn't even looking at him when she did that. How about this scene where he couldn't even land a solid lick on her...

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508382-cheapshots+and+loses+6.jpg

And the scene you are talking about is like me using this...

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508377-cheapshots+and+loses+1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508378-cheapshots+and+loses+2.jpg

She vanished on him and came behind him before he could react. Then we have this scene where she obviously land clean hits..

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508380-cheapshots+and+loses+4.jpg

He tries to tag her again with heat vision with no success whereas she gets yet again a clean shot...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508383-cheapshots+and+loses+7.jpg

Hell, he was flying to her in a blitz fashion and she beat him to the punch and sliced his throat...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111219076/5505339-4961454221-k4bQC.jpg

Anyways, stop using the showing.

Lol. Using the bracers is illegal.

Boxing rules.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman wasn't even looking at him when she did that. How about this scene where he couldn't even land a solid lick on her...

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508382-cheapshots+and+loses+6.jpg

And the scene you are talking about is like me using this...

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508377-cheapshots+and+loses+1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508378-cheapshots+and+loses+2.jpg

She vanished on him and came behind him before he could react. Then we have this scene where she obviously land clean hits..

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508380-cheapshots+and+loses+4.jpg

He tries to tag her again with heat vision with no success whereas she gets yet again a clean shot...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508383-cheapshots+and+loses+7.jpg

Hell, he was flying to her in a blitz fashion and she beat him to the punch and sliced his throat...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111219076/5505339-4961454221-k4bQC.jpg

Anyways, stop using the showing.

She doesn't need to be looking, she knew he was there.

As for the rest, if the implication is supposed to be Batman is somehow correct in his statements about speed with regard to Wonder Woman and Superman: nope, he's not, and yup: Supes is faster than Wonder Woman.

*squints at tiny phone screen* Who wins a boring match between Superman and Wonder Woman..?

Points to the Op for brutal honesty.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman wasn't even looking at him when she did that. How about this scene where he couldn't even land a solid lick on her...

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508382-cheapshots+and+loses+6.jpg

And the scene you are talking about is like me using this...

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508377-cheapshots+and+loses+1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508378-cheapshots+and+loses+2.jpg

She vanished on him and came behind him before he could react. Then we have this scene where she obviously land clean hits..

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508380-cheapshots+and+loses+4.jpg

He tries to tag her again with heat vision with no success whereas she gets yet again a clean shot...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508383-cheapshots+and+loses+7.jpg

Hell, he was flying to her in a blitz fashion and she beat him to the punch and sliced his throat...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111219076/5505339-4961454221-k4bQC.jpg

Anyways, stop using the showing.


This always gets a chuckle out of me.

Originally posted by JBL
Yes. WW is faster skill wise and reflex wise. This is a boxing match but people are trying to make this out to be a all out brawl. Superman has to think to react, WW and flash do not. Not hard to understand not see how teams were built with characters bringing different abilities to the table. People want superman to be just as fast as flash and just as fast and skilled as WE reflex wise. Why even have WW and flash on the team if that's the case. Superman is no where near them. Flash and Zoom proved that as Mr just as fast was a statue.

lol. If you're gonna lie, you probably shouldn't do it to someone that's read all of post crisis Superman and JL.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol. If you're gonna lie, you probably shouldn't do it to someone that's read all of post crisis Superman and JL.
Really? Lol. I could have and still can tell you about those and future prints before they hit the stores. But as always, proof is in the pudding. Fact. Superman and Thor will battle again soon in another cross-over and will be put down by a hammer strike but it won't be easy. I told you ahead of time. Now wait and see.😉

You ask why have Wonder Woman on the team? Bro, I don't know what magic world you live in, but where I live...sandwiches just don't make themselves. Someone has to put in the love and care into creating them.

Plus who wants a team with a bunch of dudes? Nobody, that is who. Well maybe Robin does, but most don't.

The same superman haters (jbl and carter) getting butt hurt

Originally posted by abhilegend
So tell me if she is faster than Superman, why is she using Superman's reaction time to orient herself?

But as you are so eager to use statements, here Wonder woman herself admits that power girl is as fast as herself AT Least.

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/w12.jpg

Power girl is faster than Superman too I presume?

She does say that he has greater raw speed than her. She could be speaking of this same raw speed. Muscle reaction though....

The whole WW having faster reflexes than Superman due to muscle memory was only stated as far as I know by ONE writer. Other than that 99% of the writers say Superman is faster.

You can take ONE or TWO or THREE statements an try to change the whole canon comic book story, but IMO that will be ignoring 90 % of canon comic book history.

Now onto the topic. Like DS said WW has been handicapped here.

Not only Superman did learn boxing from wild cat, but WW is more of a MMA fighter.

Top that with Superman being stronger, Faster and more durable and this is a no match.

IIRC WW has won less than 30% of their canon fights and that was due to extenuating circumstances.

Especially if we go by muscle memory, lol. WW won't be able to stop herself, and will try an illegal move.

This is Superman's fight to lose. Hell, he doesn't even need to connect with his punches; WW would disqualify herself lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Especially if we go by muscle memory, lol. WW won't be able to stop herself, and will try an illegal move.

This is Superman's fight to lose. Hell, he doesn't even need to connect with his punches; WW would disqualify herself lol.

Sh1t, that is true. I didn't saw that one.

Originally posted by JBL
Really? Lol. I could have and still can tell you about those and future prints before they hit the stores. But as always, proof is in the pudding. Fact. Superman and Thor will battle again soon in another cross-over and will be put down by a hammer strike but it won't be easy. I told you ahead of time. Now wait and see.😉

If that is true you at least will proof that you know a janitor or housekeeper at one of the companies who sees some drafts once all are gone. Good job .



What you still don't get and never will maybe. Some writer might think Hulk wins against Superman, others think the opposite. It's like the Forum. This doesn't make it true or false it's just another load of opinions.

So keep on lying, suits you and entertains me. ^^

Originally posted by JBL
Really? Lol. I could have and still can tell you about those and future prints before they hit the stores. But as always, proof is in the pudding. Fact. Superman and Thor will battle again soon in another cross-over and will be put down by a hammer strike but it won't be easy. I told you ahead of time. Now wait and see.😉

Even if you were telling the truth, all it would mean is that the current crop of writers you're in contact with don't have the faintest clue what they're doing.

And it still doesn't erase years of feats that say he's as fast as her at a MINIMUM.

Jake may be a LOB sock. mmm

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Especially if we go by muscle memory, lol. WW won't be able to stop herself, and will try an illegal move.

This is Superman's fight to lose. Hell, he doesn't even need to connect with his punches; WW would disqualify herself lol. I think what the context is would be counter-punching which occurs during your opponent's incoming punch or slightly after rolling away from their punch, either way they don't have time or withdrawn arms to block the counter-punch

Originally posted by TheHulkster
She does say that he has greater raw speed than her. She could be speaking of this same raw speed. Muscle reaction though....
She didn't say Power Girl has lesser reflexes than her. Just that she is at least as fast as her.

No mention of muscle reflexes as that is never even a thing among speedsters. McDuffie just made that up.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I think what the context is would be counter-punching which occurs during your opponent's incoming punch or slightly after rolling away from their punch, either way they don't have time or withdrawn arms to block the counter-punch

WW doesn't have time to think that, though. The scan everyone is hooked on, specifically says she doesn't need to think,but just acts instinctively, due to her being a warrior born.

That's what years of training ingrains into you. The movements that involve dodging and parrying are almost automatic, sort of like how typing at first requires you looking at the board but after awhile your body knows the distances already almost instantly translating the ideas from your mind/sensory input to the screen.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Here is another sparring session:

http://68.media.tumblr.com/1b8f46d595354065054151b35dc8f063/tumblr_mtcvyg0snN1qkd96uo2_1280.jpg

http://68.media.tumblr.com/78652303a1b771a5dc4cbcc9b4f368ce/tumblr_mtcvyg0snN1qkd96uo3_1280.jpg

Wonderful porn scene

Originally posted by psycho gundam
That's what years of training ingrains into you. The movements that involve dodging and parrying are almost automatic, sort of like how typing at first requires you looking at the board but after awhile your body knows the distances already almost instantly translating the ideas from your mind/sensory input to the screen.

Exactly.

And WW doesn't just have boxing training ingrained into her - but all forms of combat.

Superman throws a punch, she instinctively....well, she could duck/dodge/parry, but she is equally likely to judo throw him or something equally illegal, before she can even realise she's doing it.

It's Superman's fight to lose, after she disqualifies herself with illegal moves.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She didn't say Power Girl has lesser reflexes than her. Just that she is at least as fast as her.

No mention of muscle reflexes as that is never even a thing among speedsters. McDuffie just made that up.

He actually took that from real life. And all things that are established with characters are made up by their writers.

Originally posted by Badabing
Jake may be a LOB sock. mmm

YOU WILL SUFFER ETERNALLY FOR THIS OUTRAGEOUS LIE, YOU DISEASED, SCALEBAG!!!!!!

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He actually took that from real life. And all things that are established with characters are made up by their writers.
Which doesn't makes sense at all in comics.

Personal bias of one writer doesn't override years of Canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which doesn't makes sense at all in comics.

Personal bias of one writer doesn't override years of Canon. Yet you love to bring up OWAW which was written by a crack using writer who admitted he wanked superman to increase sales to buy drugs Now all of a sudden you have a problem with a writer who doesn't share your worshipping of superman huh?

Does it matter?

Originally posted by JBL
Yet you love to bring up OWAW which was written by a crack using writer who admitted he wanked superman to increase sales to buy drugs Now all of a sudden you have a problem with a writer who doesn't share your worshipping of superman huh?
From where did you get that?

And OWAW is written by several writers. Not just Joe Casey as you seem to have a very big grudge against him.

So.

Either WW is faster than Superman, through her instinctive muscle memory, and gets disqualified when she attempts an illegal move, or

She is slower than Superman, and gets punched clear across the room.

Yeah, leave it to WW to make the illegal move so that superman can win. WW knows how to box. Superman on the other hand... Ha ha. What stopping him from messing up?? In this case it's you.😉

JBL got that information in a private party thrown on his house in honor to Siegel and Shuster. Stan Lee was right besides him. He told me so.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So.

Either WW is faster than Superman, through her instinctive muscle memory, and gets disqualified when she attempts an illegal move, or

She is slower than Superman, and gets punched clear across the room. I have no idea how you think she is unable to adhere to the rules and still retain muscle memory when it comes to boxing. Even if she does one illegal move the referee may or may not take a point off and warn her never to do it again

Because her speed advantage is due to her acting without consciously thinking.

Does she know how to box? Of course
But she's spent literal lifetimes training in how to actually fight, rather than how to adhere to rules in a sport.

She's a warrior born, not a sports fighter. There are more illegal ways than legal to deal with a punch.

Kicks aren't allowed. Throws aren't allowed. Joint manipulations aren't allowed. Headbutts, elbows, knees aren't allowed. Grappling is reduced to clinches, and even then, they get broken up.

The instant she starts thinking about her moves, she loses her speed advantage, as per McDuffie, which is the scan JBL clings to.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because her speed advantage is due to her acting without consciously thinking.

Does she know how to box? Of course
But she's spent literal lifetimes training in how to actually fight, rather than how to adhere to rules in a sport.

She's a warrior born, not a sports fighter. There are more illegal ways than legal to deal with a punch.

Kicks aren't allowed. Throws aren't allowed. Joint manipulations aren't allowed. Headbutts, elbows, knees aren't allowed. Grappling is reduced to clinches, and even then, they get broken up.

The instant she starts thinking about her moves, she loses her speed advantage, as per McDuffie, which is the scan JBL clings to. Prove any of that

Superman's beholden to the rules just like she is. No flight or anything else. I could throw out how his punches breaking the gloves or even loosening them stops the fight. This can get stupid really fast

Prove what, that her speed comes from muscle memory?

https://s5.postimg.org/3lir67ec7/4023525-5657008950-35a7p.jpg

'Certainly, you have an advantage in raw speed, but you have to think before you respond. I'm a trained warrior. My reactions are in my muscle memory'.

Note she didn't say travel speed, but in raw speed. But he has to think. She just reacts, like a trained warrior would. THAT'S where her edge lies.

IOW, when she has to stop and think like Clark does, he has the raw speed advantage.

So in a boxing match? She would respond the way she's been taught, and been trained, for lifetimes' worth of fighting.

No, that she is unable to think during combat to render a boxing match impossible

Originally posted by psycho gundam
No, that she is unable to think during combat

Never said she can't think in combat.

I'm saying her speed advantage over Clark stems from her using her muscle memory, to compensate for his raw speed advantage.

Once she stops relying on muscle memory, and starts thinking before she responds? Clark has the raw speed over her.

Yeah, that's true. I just don't think she's an automaton that is a slave to her training. There is definitely an unconscious thought that prevents a boxing match to devolve into a street fight and both of them would understand the sport ahead of time

Yeah.....I just think that her lifetimes' worth of actual fighting (as opposed to sport boxing) would usually be the main instinct.

To then pare it all down, and be reduced to just boxing, like I said, wouldn't be impossible...she can definitely box. But she would have to be consciously holding herself back, whereas Clark had the speed to take advantage. Which is why I was saying originally, IF we use that scene to argue that she will be faster than him....the OP has actually made pretty sure that THAT scene is the one scene you cannot use to argue for WW, lol.

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Hmmm Clark has better durability and strength, Diana better combat speed and skills.

I think boxing is more in Clarks favour, so he wins.
But a less restricted ringfight would she win, cause it would favour speed and especially skill more.

Originally posted by gunchar
Hmmm Clark has better durability and strength, Diana better combat speed and skills.

I think boxing is more in Clarks favour, so he wins.
But a less restricted ringfight would she win, cause it would favour speed and especially skill more.

The only advantage she has is skill. People have to cling to certain fights and IGNORE CONTEXT just to justify even using those, while ignoring where he shows blatant superiority to her while not even taking her seriously.

Originally posted by h1a8
WW wins. She's more skilled/experienced and has equal or greater reflexes and hand speed. That's all that matters.

Originally posted by gunchar
Hmmm Clark has better durability and strength, Diana better combat speed and skills.

I think boxing is more in Clarks favour, so he wins.
But a less restricted ringfight would she win, cause it would favour speed and especially skill more.
Where has she ever displayed better combat speed than Superman?