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Hercules as in WWH vs World War HULK.

Hercules is given the speed and reflexes of Quicksilver along with the experience to use use his superspeed at the best of his habilities.

He has to KO Hulk in order to win.

Who wins?

Can Super speed Hercules defeat Hulk or will Hulk prevail against this superfast tank?

hercules, without much trouble.

Pretty sure Sentry has Hercules and Quicksilver beat in both categories and then some...

Hercules goes night night yet again

Heh. Wanted to say that, but didn't want to sound too fanboyish. Unbelievable you're wanking Thor in other threads, btw. And disgusting.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Heh. Wanted to say that, but didn't want to sound too fanboyish. Unbelievable you're wanking Thor in other threads, btw. And disgusting.



WWH still win.

sentry doesn't come close to using his speed the same way qs does. show me sentry throwing 1000 punches in a second and i'll concede your point. qs makes spidey look like he's moving in slow motion. using speed effectively, the way qs fights, hulk would be lucky to land a solid shot before he's hit 100 times by someone nearly as strong as he is. hulk goes nighty-night, and i don't think it's very close. be like saying superman fights hulk using his speed to its max. hulk would never hit him, ever, and he'd be hit a thousand times. supes using his speed that way is pretty rare though. blitzing, throwing fits of speed punches, sure. qs ALWAYS uses his speed to the utmost. hulk thought herc had a chance to stop him at his regular levels. with this speed (which would also increase healing speeds) it would end pretty quickly unless herc fought like a moron. i'd happily, and eagerly, bz this any time anyone would like. lol

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Pretty sure Sentry has Hercules and Quicksilver beat in both categories and then some...

Hercules goes night night yet again

Not sure if Pak even portrayed a hero using super speed vs Hulk on the arc.

He defitnetly didn't play or take into account Sentry's huge speed advantage over Hulk. He didn't even mentioned Sentry's speed in the whole arc if i remember correctly.

As a matter of fact sentry's actitud was kind of campy during the whole fight.

I do remember however one time pak did use a character with superspeed vs abomb and red hulk and that charcters did make short work of both characters using and displaying super speed.

^ Is this an attempt at a Prep-man type thread or....?

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Another thing is the KMC default environment being devoid of possible collateral damage which is the only thing stopping Hulk from fighting at normal capacity going all the way back since the last couple pages of Planet Hulk, so not even Sentry using more power than he has ever done up to that point, enough to tire himself out only fought a willingly repressed hulk

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/htt_zpstf2xaqsz.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/hty_zpsvz8ozxuj.jpg

Hulk has already slapped Quicksilver. He wouldn't have a problem hitting Herc and withstanding his blows.

Carver must be so happy he finally has a legit poster on his side.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver must be so happy he finally has a legit poster on his side.

1) PG was always on his side.

2) You are a filthy, cocksucking traitor.

Two sides of the same coin.

That is nice and dandy. But that does not shows Sentry fighting at super speed not even seems like full capacity.

His fight with hulk only showed Sentry in a campy way fighting an enraged Hulk.

When it comes down to super speed protrayals of Pak they look kind of like this.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111122629/3507852-6808850704-33673.jpg

I never saw PAK portraying Sentry's speed like that. That will actually be a more interesting fight with a character like World Breaker Hulk. But vs WWH, hulk gets the sleeping pill fast. IMO.

Man, Cosmic Hulk would own like 19 supermen with ease.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Man, Cosmic Hulk would own like 19 supermen with ease.

Is hercules with superspeed. 8)

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Is hercules with superspeed. 8)

Herc with superspeed would get speedblitzed by a normal Banner, non-Hulked.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Pretty sure Sentry has Hercules and Quicksilver beat in both categories and then some...

Hercules goes night night yet again When has Sentry used Quicksilver-level combat speed against Hulk?

PS: Sentry isn't anywhere near Quicksilver level in speed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Herc with superspeed would get speedblitzed by a normal Banner, non-Hulked.

Maybe I should make this Wolverine with Gladiator's Superpowers vs WW hulk

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Maybe I should make this Wolverine with Gladiator's Superpowers vs WW hulk

Downgrading Wolvie big time, I see.

But he still slices through 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 World War Horseman Nul Hulks.

@phil:

and this is simply wwh, not wwh getting amped as the fight goes on. he doesn't become wbh because he's getting his sh!t pushed in. wwh in a thread stays wwh. spidey has made hulk look ridiculous with his speed and qs has literally made parker appear to be a statue. this would end quickly.

The thing with "wwh" is that 1) it's a misnomer cause it's the name of the arc not the character, even in the scan I put up he was saying they call him the "Worldbreaker" which is the real name you want to use since it actually applies and goes back to Planet Hulk proper. 2) The rules Hulk set for himself are clearly defined and the KMC battlfield is made for someone like him to fight without restrictions. I just brought it up cause Sentry fought far less cause of the self imposed restrictions cause of the EARTH yet Sentry lost while also using more power than ever seen prior

Originally posted by leonidas
spidey has

"SPIDEY" has completely-completely failed in the WWH arc.

He was treated as some below-peak human (athlete at best) z-lister and got raped by one of Hulk's Warbound.

Originally posted by leonidas
spidey has made hulk look ridiculous with his speed and qs has literally made parker appear to be a statue. this would end quickly. You'd be hardpressed to find a showing of Hercules hurting Savage Hulk let alone Green scar, whom by the way treated Hercules like a new prostitute that needed to be street broken by her pimp

Herc wins, every single time. Superior speed, almost the same strength and superior h2h skills + superior sexappeal.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"SPIDEY" has completely-completely failed in the WWH arc.

He was treated as some below-peak human (athlete at best) z-lister and got raped by one of Hulk's Warbound.

lol least he didn't become nothing more than a punching bag.

and herc has stalemated savage in every encounter. he's certainly looked hella better than thor did when he fought hulk w/o his hammer. not even close tbh.

Originally posted by leonidas
herc has stalemated savage in every encounter. That's the best possible thing one can say for Hercules and Hulk's encounters. I could go at lengths at when Herc hasn't at least pulled a draw but I remember doing this like a month ago and asked to do a battlezone and everything. If the best positive spin is to pull a draw with savage, Green scar has casually beaten 2 opponents simultaneously that have been decent opponents for savage in the past individually but this time their power was geometrically amped a thousandfold while holding back heavily.

Originally posted by ODG
Savage Hulk vs Bi-Beast, from Incredible Hulk #216:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast01216.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast04.jpg

Savage Hulk vs Bi-Beast rematch, from Defenders vol.2 #6:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast10Defendersv26.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast11.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast12.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast13.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast15.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast16.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast17.jpg

World War Hulk vs Bi-Beast (amped) and Wendigo (amped), from Incredible Hulks #631:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast05631.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast08.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsBi-Beast09.jpg

Baptiste Wendigo (same as the amped x 1000 one)

Originally posted by ODG
Savage Hulk (w/ Banner's mind) and Sasquatch vs Wendigo, from Incredible Hulk #272:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWendigo13272.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWendigo14.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWendigo15.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWendigo16.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsWendigo17.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/q_zpsuvyr5xca.jpg

Prof. Hulk has also beaten Strong guy and Quicksilver simultaneously, likening them to Fleas

Sorry but Green scar would oneshot this amalgam thing and the fight would end faster than usual cause Hercules would make his way to Hulk's fists faster than he usually would

wut? wwh couldn't even definitively beat juggernaut. if he truly were 1000's of times more powerful than his previous incarnation, i feel safe in saying we wouldn't have seen basically a draw in strength between juggs and hulk... hell, a case could be made easily that savage looked better against juggernaut than wwh did. and you're comparing 2 hulks anyway. hotm hulk and wwh were different, as far as threads and intent go, in spite of your effort to conflate the 2. /shrug

if rao didn't intend for the thread to be based solely upon the traditional 'wwh' arc, then i'll apologize and concede your point. but i'd be willing to bet he wanted us to stick to the hulk as depicted in that arc. rao?

It was directly referenced in the scan I posted so Rao can apply a false distinction if he wants to or not, the truth is there. The Juggernaut fight is another thing entirely but if you want to call that a fight in earnest, tossing holding back effecting his performance, Prof Hulk (mind controlled) has beaten Hercules and then fought Juggernaut in the same issue

If you think "WWH" that fought Juggernaut is the same level that fought Sentry in the climax of the arc, you're lying to yourself.

Yes I meant WWH as in WWH arc. Not HOTM Hulk. Otherwise I will have said WBH or HOTM Hulk.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
It was directly referenced in the scan I posted so Rao can apply a false distinction if he wants to or not, the truth is there. The Juggernaut fight is another thing entirely but if you want to call that a fight in earnest, tossing holding back effecting his performance, Prof Hulk (mind controlled) has beaten Hercules and then fought Juggernaut in the same issue

If you think "WWH" that fought Juggernaut is the same level that fought Sentry in the climax of the arc, you're lying to yourself.

the sentry battle was the showcase fight and lasted far longer. hulk basically knew he couldn't beat juggs so just got rid of him, but while they did fight, juggs knocked him down easily with a couple shots, soooo.....yeah. and if you think hulk actually needed to be more than 1000x stronger than he has been portrayed typically to simply MATCH sentry in what was primarily a h2h fight, then i'm afriad i'm not the one lying to himself pg. there is a pretty clear distinction between the portrayals, which of course is why rao confirmed his intention of sticking to the actual wwh arc.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol least he didn't become nothing more than a punching bag.

and herc has stalemated savage in every encounter. he's certainly looked hella better than thor did when he fought hulk w/o his hammer. not even close tbh.

"Stalemated", as in getting called skirtman, having teams on his side and still losing?

Namor is the real powerhouse with an excellent track record against the Green Goliath.

Hercules us strong enough to hurt WWH as we seen in the arc.

With qs speed WWH would appear to be a statue. Qs can see bullets almost as statues. And bullets are primarily faster than Hulk.

Debating for Hulk is the single most uphill battle on KMC.

Originally posted by leonidas
the sentry battle was the showcase fight and lasted far longer. hulk basically knew he couldn't beat juggs so just got rid of him, but while they did fight, juggs knocked him down easily with a couple shots, soooo.....yeah. and if you think hulk actually needed to be more than 1000x stronger than he has been portrayed typically to simply MATCH sentry in what was primarily a h2h fight, then i'm afriad i'm not the one lying to himself pg. there is a pretty clear distinction between the portrayals, which of course is why rao confirmed his intention of sticking to the actual wwh arc. .....jeez. Guess what, Leo: Hulk's strength is dynamic

All logic and evidence is being denied from me cause of reasons and now this. All you have to do is look at both showings side by side and use deductive reasoning. If you think the Juggernaut fight was fought with the same output as used against Sentry then it's not lying but more so a form of handicap to blame.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hercules us strong enough to hurt WWH as we seen in the arc.

With qs speed WWH would appear to be a statue. Qs can see bullets almost as statues. And bullets are primarily faster than Hulk. Lol. Just ignore everything on-panel for a robotic, pseudo-scientific summation. Beautiful.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Debating for Hulk is the single most uphill battle on KMC.

.....jeez. Guess what, Leo: Hulk's strength is dynamic

All logic and evidence is being denied from me cause of reasons and now this. All you have to do is look at both showings side by side and use deductive reasoning. If you think the Juggernaut fight was fought with the same output as used against Sentry then it's not lying but more so a form of handicap to blame.

Lol. Just ignore everything on-panel for a robotic, pseudo-scientific summation. Beautiful.

What did I ignore? Hercules was shown to damage WWH.
Do you think WWH is faster than a bullet?

None of it matters that much is what you don't care to realize. The gulf in power is enormous

What if Herc was moulded into a bullet shape, and fired from a giant cannon?

That would be murder and Hulk doesn't do that

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Debating for Hulk is the single most uphill battle on KMC.

.....jeez. Guess what, Leo: Hulk's strength is dynamic

All logic and evidence is being denied from me cause of reasons and now this. All you have to do is look at both showings side by side and use deductive reasoning. If you think the Juggernaut fight was fought with the same output as used against Sentry then it's not lying but more so a form of handicap to blame.

Lol. Just ignore everything on-panel for a robotic, pseudo-scientific summation. Beautiful.

i don't get why you think there was a huge difference between when he fought sentry and when he fought juggs. seriously. was hulk stronger when he fought sentry than when he fought juggs? i dunno, maybe? way stronger? i certainly don't think so. hulk/juggs/sentry--all are near the top of the strength tier so.... he certainly didn't seem stronger fighting zom/strange. for the most part it looked like he stayed around the same level throughout that arc. his next 'stage' to me came when he started going wbh and threatened the seaboard or whatever. so, i'm not really seeing what you're seeing, and the distinction between hulks is actually a forum rule specifically for these forum matches, so....i dunno. blame pr. usually works for me.

Green scar is the easiest persona to define cause it stretches from Planet Hulk to the climax of Heart of the monster only being interrupted in between when his power is drained from the Cathexis ray and Red Hulk. The only thing that didn't happen in "WWH" that did happen after is that he got to unleash his power that you only saw glimpse of in WWH, so it's actually required to be thorough and use the whole thing rather than just a snippet that purposefully removes context.

Anyway, this argument is going away from Hercules' feats as usual cause there aren't any of note.

Sentry in wwh#5 was a whole level above what Juggernaut was dishing out and it's pretty obvious, you don't even need to go by the narrative raising the stakes as the issues went on.

If anyone wants we can have a battlezone between Skaar (whom Hulk easily defeated) and Juggernaut, but just so you know this is how their fight ended:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/byeeeeee_zpshfnzdzfh.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/lool_zps1anoozai.jpg

The off-brand version more than enough...

I have read "Super FAT Hercules".

I was like "WTF !".

Originally posted by psycho gundam
None of it matters that much is what you don't care to realize. The gulf in power is enormous I disagree. Enormous is an opinion.
Looking at the entire arc it appeared as if WWH was between 2-4 times more powerful than Hercules. Just look at their exchange. Not a huge difference there. No single feat WWH did (in the WWH arc) displayed power beyond 4 times anything Hercules is capable of.


What matters was the damage WWH sustained in those hits by Hercules.
It was enough to believe that anywhere from 100-1000 more of those will put him down.
Hercules with this level of speed can easily get those amount of hits in.
Plus it can be argued that the extra speed increases the force of Hercules punches.

Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Enormous is an opinion. Enormous is a fact

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_wb_zpsyjwr2tir.jpgOriginally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/q_zpsuvyr5xca.jpg

Prof. Hulk has also beaten Strong guy and Quicksilver simultaneously, likening them to Fleas

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Green scar is the easiest persona to define cause it stretches from Planet Hulk to the climax of Heart of the monster only being interrupted in between when his power is drained from the Cathexis ray and Red Hulk. The only thing that didn't happen in "WWH" that did happen after is that he got to unleash his power that you only saw glimpse of in WWH, so it's actually required to be thorough and use the whole thing rather than just a snippet that purposefully removes context.

Anyway, this argument is going away from Hercules' feats as usual cause there aren't any of note.

Sentry in wwh#5 was a whole level above what Juggernaut was dishing out and it's pretty obvious, you don't even need to go by the narrative raising the stakes as the issues went on.

If anyone wants we can have a battlezone between Skaar (whom Hulk easily defeated) and Juggernaut, but just so you know this is how their fight ended:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/byeeeeee_zpshfnzdzfh.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/lool_zps1anoozai.jpg

The off-brand version more than enough...

you seem to be all over the map in this thread. so you think the hulk that fought sentry was somehow....more than a 1000x stronger than he's been typically depicted? 1000x stronger than when he fought juggs a couple issues prior?? really?? that....seems asinine to me. i'm not even convinced he was ANY stronger than when he fought juggs. is sentry's strength dynamic now too? cuz it would seem to need to be since you seem to want to say hulk kept getting stronger. to me its the same as when he fights thor. he never dwarfs thor in strength no matter how long the fight lasts. he sure as sh!t has never dwarfed hercules. as far as the argument getting away--it was never about herc's feats. he has plenty to suggest he could have made a hella fight of it by himself if he really chose to, and banner seemed to agree. of most relevance though is probably the fact that hulk himself has never beaten herc. ever (mortal form aside). even in the wwh arc one decent shot dropped hulk like a bag of wet cement.

and i'd be less concerned about herc's feats than i would pietro's anyways. dude has dropped ironman with just his regular strength, and made mister x a total statue and he can PREDICT moves. he can hit 1000x in a second and he's gone so far as to say he's not even a good fighter! lol herc is a very good h2h fighter and a 1000 punches from herc would end this thing pretty quick, given how quickly hulk was dropped from just a single shot. he would hit with that first shot then follow it up with 1000 in the next second and if hulk was still conscious (which would be....fairly impossible to imagine) in the next second he would hit him a 1000 more times. if you seriously think hulk would....shrug off 1000s of hits from someone like hercules, wellllll.....we really don't have anything left to discuss. /shrug

i mean, seriously. i was thinking about this a little more. am i the crazy one here? we're talking about possibly 1000 shots from hercules. like i said, we saw what he did to wwh with just 1 decent shot:

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111270457/5546182-0169919045-incre.jpg

and he didn't even WANT to fight there! and this is a future herc (616 herc still as he constantly references his actions from this era throughout), but still, just another example of what a po'd herc can do:

https://imgur.com/a/2XyeX

he laid ZEUS out. that was just after he thought zeus killed his best friend, but his mindset in a forum match would be similar. a TRULY berserk herc almost killed wonderman with little more than a single shot. something hulk has never come close to doing....

but i'm somehow supposed to believe hulk could take a THOUSAND hits from him and what? just keep on going?? even if it was just, say 500. honestly? someone want to tell me how in the HELL i'm not supposed to find that to be one of the craziest things i've heard in the forum in...well, a LONG time...? quicksilver has some really good feats on his own, and his strength is rarely said to be peak human, and he has no real skill to speak of. man, i don't see how this is even close in any way shape or form....

Ill side with Hercules with Quicksilverse speed/reflexes to beat WWHulk.

I also don't think Hulk can take this kind of punishment.

Imagine doing a video of that scan of hercules punching hulk 1000 times over. And after seeing it believing hulk will be on one piece.

I don't really think so

Honestly, I don't think Hulk is all that far from Quicksilver in speed.

Still think Hulk takes this, he'll just have to get more mad.

wut? proof hulk during wwh was near qs in speed?

Not talking about the WW Hulk arc in particular. He has nice speed feats before and after where he isn't as powerful.

No reason to deny him said feats. Mark Waid gave Hulk lots of love on the speed front.

Yeah, to think Hulk wins this, you have to consider that he is close in speed.

There is no way he can take...50 shots from a guy like Hercules.

And if i remember right, Skaar BFR juggernaut...because he knew that he could not overpower him.

If Hercules uses his speed like Pietro he wins no problem.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Not talking about the WW Hulk arc in particular. He has nice speed feats before and after where he isn't as powerful.

No reason to deny him said feats. Mark Waid gave Hulk lots of love on the speed front.

reasons a plenty. primarily, the thread is specific to the wwh arc as has been stated several times already. beyond that, hulk did get a little speed love. but not even close to what pietro does on a regular basis. nowhere close.

and it also seems like people think all hulk has to do is tag herc once or something and the fight is....done? herc could take...a LOT of damage, is capable, as shown in the arc, of blocking shots from hulk and for each one he DOES take he'd land 500 or more. not to mention the increase his own sped healing would also receive in this form.

again, not sure how the stance that hulk wins this can be taken with any amount of seriousness. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
reasons a plenty. primarily, the thread is specific to the wwh arc as has been stated several times already.

What are these reasons a plenty? When you mention only one reason which I already questioned? Kinda circular.

Why does Hulk not get access to all of his un-amped feats that he did while weaker but Hercules presumably gets everything he ever did on top of a speed boost? Of course Herc would win that.

Herc has strength feats that are well above WW Hulk's eastern seaboard Earthquake steps afterall.

Unless the OP specifically said Hulk is for some reason limited to only his WW Hulk showings, I won't assume that.



Nah. Hulk has a rather casual speed feat where he shook a test tube thousands of times faster than a centrifuge could.

Under Waid, Hulk also speed blitzed three opponents who were already super humanly fast themselves. They were so fast that they could shoot revolvers so rapidly that they were compared to gatlin guns in rate of fire. They were too fast to see for normal eyes. But Hulk was too fast for them to see.

That's definitely worthy of inclusion in a QS respect thread.

Or maybe Waid's Hulk was, y'know, faster than WWH. Just as he was more durable, had that nifty "Cannot BFR me!" passive power, but his regen apparently sucked.

Proof? Sounds like a bunch of circular ass-pull.

What makes "Waid's Hulk" a specifically faster version of Hulk? What specific reason is given?

There's no need for shitty fan theories to create convoluted explanations. It's the same character and unless specified that he had a speed boost or that his gamma powers were somehow re-organized to fill out his power chart differently or some shit, the feats apply.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Downgrading Wolvie big time, I see.

But he still slices through 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 World War Horseman Nul Hulks.

While amping off Carver's prayers and desires

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What are these reasons a plenty? When you mention only one reason which I already questioned? Kinda circular.

Why does Hulk not get access to all of his un-amped feats that he did while weaker but Hercules presumably gets everything he ever did on top of a speed boost? Of course Herc would win that.

Herc has strength feats that are well above WW Hulk's eastern seaboard Earthquake steps afterall.

Unless the OP specifically said Hulk is for some reason limited to only his WW Hulk showings, I won't assume that.



Nah. Hulk has a rather casual speed feat where he shook a test tube thousands of times faster than a centrifuge could.

Under Waid, Hulk also speed blitzed three opponents who were already super humanly fast themselves. They were so fast that they could shoot revolvers so rapidly that they were compared to gatlin guns in rate of fire. They were too fast to see for normal eyes. But Hulk was too fast for them to see.

That's definitely worthy of inclusion in a QS respect thread.

reason 1 as i said--we are to stick to the wwh arc. reason 2 one test tube feat is hardly enough to lay claim to the fact that hulk is as fast as pietro. seriously? thor dug a trench at super human blur speed, so do i conclude he's as fast as qs too? sorry man, that conclusion, based on the overwhelming support the other way, is beyond ridiculous. reason 3 the waid feat came after wwh arc and even THAT feat is nothing compared to what qs has done in the past in terms of combat feats and complex manipulation feats, and by extension reason 4 would be the clear and obvious lack of overall evidence to support anything like the conclusion that hulk is as fast, or nearly as fast, as qs. we don't cherry pick specific feats here, we look at the average. on average, in his career, hulk is....not even close to qs. certainly not historically, most certainly not in the wwh arc and while currently he has been depicted as being faster than he was at times, there is still nowhere near enough evidence to support the fact that hulk is now a....speedster.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What are these reasons a plenty? When you mention only one reason which I already questioned? Kinda circular.

Why does Hulk not get access to all of his un-amped feats that he did while weaker but Hercules presumably gets everything he ever did on top of a speed boost? Of course Herc would win that.

Herc has strength feats that are well above WW Hulk's eastern seaboard Earthquake steps afterall.

Unless the OP specifically said Hulk is for some reason limited to only his WW Hulk showings, I won't assume that.



Nah. Hulk has a rather casual speed feat where he shook a test tube thousands of times faster than a centrifuge could.

Under Waid, Hulk also speed blitzed three opponents who were already super humanly fast themselves. They were so fast that they could shoot revolvers so rapidly that they were compared to gatlin guns in rate of fire. They were too fast to see for normal eyes. But Hulk was too fast for them to see.

That's definitely worthy of inclusion in a QS respect thread.

1. That's an outlier of the highest kind. Are you of the opinion that we use a one off outlier feat as the representative of a forum character? If yes, then i'll accept it and argue as is.

2. The feat came after WWH (not before). Thus it is logical that Hulk gained speed afterward.

3. The OP stated earlier that we are limited to only WWH arc.

4. Hulk didn't have to move much faster than them to perform the feat. If they were human speed then Hulk could have done the same thing using human level speed.

5. A bullet is faster than a human can see (and several speeds slower than a bullet are too).
So if Hulk was the speed of a bullet then QS is still thousands of times faster.

6. They were slower than bullets (but still fast enough to be blurs).

Hulk has faced characters with speed and speed tanks, that's all i can say.......

If i really had to place my money......i'll place my money on Carver trying to convince us Hulk wins 10/10

So, this is UNamped Herc against WWH:

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/incrediblehulk107-023.jpg

Hulk, even WBH (a far more powerful version of WWH) had this to say about him:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/htt_zpstf2xaqsz.jpg

Herc, of course, is magic PLUS:
http://i.imgur.com/fDjJpfO.jpg

Plus, he's here to fight Hulk, not talk to him.

I want to make that GIF to illustrate the point

Hercules hit him when there was a dust cloud kicked up by Warren Worthington. It was a cheapshot that just took him off his feet without any damage.

Conversely Herc getting hit a few times almost killed him

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/sg_zpsfcvroglo.jpg

The power gap is huge

Cheap shots?

This is Herc we're talking about. With Quicksilver's best feats backing him up.

He would be doing NOTHING but cheap shots, lol.

true, and it's BS that the power gap is 'huge'. it certainly wasn't huge between hulk and juggs, nor between sentry and juggs. it certainly wouldn't have been huge had thor showed up. had herc gone all out, lost his sh!t and wanted to kill hulk, it would have been one hell of a battle.... i fact confirmed by banner himself later. hulk would win, but it would have been a massive fight. and that is him unamped.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cheap shots?

This is Herc we're talking about. With Quicksilver's best feats backing him up.

He would be doing NOTHING but cheap shots, lol. What I'm saying is the feat that keeps getting used to support Hercules is a cheapshot. It's not a clean punch that is indicative of his power that you want to use considering even with the advantage of it being blindsided it had small results.

Hercules had advantages before and arguably a better advantage than speed with a rapidly weakening opponent as well as backup all eventually fighting to kill (cause anything less would be suicide). Only Hulk's imminent death via molecular dispersion allowed them to win

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_1_zpshxqsx6ij.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_2_zpsiyyfjztb.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_3_zpsrw29rw9k.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_4_zpsevdrwcan.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_5_zps1s4rinee.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_6_zps1ops9p55.jpg


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/feg_zpsuhfuqtwj.jpg

That's what it took to "beat" Bannerless Hulk

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/1_zps1hxyf0m1.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/2_zpszsjefprp.jpg

Hulk was more wraith than Banner yet the Avengers in kill mode struggled to beat him

Originally posted by leonidas
true, and it's BS that the power gap is 'huge'. it certainly wasn't huge between hulk and juggs, nor between sentry and juggs. it certainly wouldn't have been huge had thor showed up. had herc gone all out, lost his sh!t and wanted to kill hulk, it would have been one hell of a battle.... i fact confirmed by banner himself later. hulk would win, but it would have been a massive fight. and that is him unamped. The Juggernaut fight was inconclusive but just like the Sentry fight it wasn't without the knowledge that Hulk was suppressing himself even then, unless this too is not allowed even if it was in issue #5

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/wb_zpsyjwr2tir.jpg

Sentry was the most powerful, possibly Strange can be lumped up with him but the amount of punishment Sentry took seemed like it was higher than Strange took. none of those guys would have had a chance fighting him like that

Let's assume that WWH was holding back when he hit Hercules.

Then

1. Hulk wasn't holding back his durability. That means he can be koed with a sufficient amount of punches.

2. It will be in WWH character to hold back. So he will try to hit Hercules with the same force as in the panel.


With Qs speed then Hulks drops quickly because of 1.

This power gap opinion is kind of strange. Herc is near Savage Hulk level of strength, not too far away from WWH. According to Carver he flash koed WWH (head on the ground eyes closed). 1000 Hits from Herc would ko or kill almost any Herald, WWH, Superman, Thor or Glads, doesn't matter.

IMHO saying Herc is a week feeb compared to WWH is just pure BS.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Hercules as in WWH vs World War HULK.

Hercules is given the speed and reflexes of Quicksilver along with the experience to use use his superspeed at the best of his habilities.

He has to KO Hulk in order to win.

Who wins?

Can Super speed Hercules defeat Hulk or will Hulk prevail against this superfast tank?


He still loses. Sentry moves faster than Pietro. This is basically Gladiator without all of the bells and whistles. As much as people may like to say that the Hulk would be beaten before he even sees this speedster, there may be something that they are forgetting. The Hulk has reacted to speedsters without much trouble. He will do so here as well.

Wait, I've posed an unamped Herc taking Hulk by surprise and sucker punching him with a cheap shot...

And now that he's massively faster, and now that he's actually fighting.,...he loses?

Lol.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
This power gap opinion is kind of strange. Herc is near Savage Hulk level of strength, not too far away from WWH. According to Carver he flash koed WWH (head on the ground eyes closed). 1000 Hits from Herc would ko or kill almost any Herald, WWH, Superman, Thor or Glads, doesn't matter.

IMHO saying Herc is a week feeb compared to WWH is just pure BS. The evidence is there, man. You guys are actively ignoring showings where beings around Savage Hulk level (until he gets pissed for real) were treated like fodder as if Hulk's strength is static.

Originally posted by Stoic
He still loses. Sentry moves faster than Pietro. This is basically Gladiator without all of the bells and whistles. As much as people may like to say that the Hulk would be beaten before he even sees this speedster, there may be something that they are forgetting. The Hulk has reacted to speedsters without much trouble. He will do so here as well.

hulk has reacted to speedsters like whom? and again, it's not like anything near one shots would end this fight. speedfreek wrecked him for most of the fight. he's gone prolonged times without even being able to hit spiderman. he's hit qs in the past, but a glancing blow that herc wouldn't feel. and sentry never came close to using his speed in combat the way pietro does.

if glads used his speed the way he was capable of doing so, hulk would never touch him either, but he doesn't. glads is fast, sentry is fast. they are not speedsters. speedsters use their speed completely differently. qs has beaten down ironman with his basically human strength. hulk is ko'd in this before he throws a punch.

@pg: wut? who in that arc did he treat like fodder that was savage hulk level exactly....?

.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, I've posed an unamped Herc taking Hulk by surprise and sucker punching him with a cheap shot...

And now that he's massively faster, and now that he's actually fighting.,...he loses?

Lol.

it is...quite staggering tbh. shrug

i'd be curious to know if thor were replaced with herc if opinions would be the same. sounds like it wouldn't matter if he were pummeled a 1000 times by the hammer--he'd still just stand there and take it, or maybe he'd...dodge the shots? catch the hammer? i've quite literally never seen anything like this thread before. someone says hulk is as fast as qs. someone says he simply heals from a 1000 hits from herc and wouldn't be ko'd. someone thinks that he simply and literally dwarfs herc in power by such a margin, even with this level of speed, that it's just no contest. unreal. and people claim superman is blown up by his supporters.....i mean where the hell am i?

maybe a better question is where is hulk exactly do some of you think? high trans? skyfather? (can't be, cuz we saw what a po'd herc did to a zeus who was trying to kill him and we saw what happened to hulk when he faced off against zeus....) hrm. this hulk is a puzzle. mmm

He's far above them

(I'm posting a respect thread's worth of scans vs 1 maybe 2 posted for either Herc or QS combined but that's Hulk debatin' for ya)

-Cathexis ray-

After hulk beat Sentry and went Worldbreaker the Cathexis ray took most of his power away and stored it into a battery where it was used to create Red Hulk

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath0_zps4ti8my8n.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cathered_zpspiux0idf.jpg

Banner is left with enough Gamma to turn into Savage Hulk after getting hit with the Cathexis ray, but then even that is drained from him by Red hulk

Red hulk gets captured by the Intelligencia and is used in concert with the Cathexis ray's already collected Gamma energy to create 200 Hulks out of A.I.Marines as well as transform Cyclops, Spider-man, Thor (Odin power (amped)), Storm, Carol Danvers, Ice-man, Deadpool, Wolverine, Warmachine, Ben Grimm, Captain America and Invisible woman into Hulks as well

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_fef_zps1gkvffoe.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath1_zpsva72az8o.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath2_zpsancxqwgx.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath3_zpsqudqror4.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath4_zps2it6xd6y.jpghttp://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath5_zpsiiwmyeja.jpg

Cont.

Banner then reabsorbs all of their energy back into himself to be restored back to "100% Gammafication", back to "the same Hulk you fought in Manhattan"

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath6_zpszqgxy9qa.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/th_cath7_zpslglkhie4.jpg

Skaar was put up against Juggernaut as a training dummy for the eventual return of Hulk at these levels and even after sending him into outer space he still wasn't enough for the real thing

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/ska_zpsrahkfhjb.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
Let's assume that WWH was holding back when he hit Hercules.

Then

1. Hulk wasn't holding back his durability. That means he can be koed with a sufficient amount of punches.

2. It will be in WWH character to hold back. So he will try to hit Hercules with the same force as in the panel.


With Qs speed then Hulks drops quickly because of 1.

^ Why would you bring that up as if it's negative against Hulk and not Hercules? Hulk was undamaged

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/th_HulkvsHercules12v2107.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/th_HulkvsHercules13.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/th_HulkvsHercules14.jpg

Those hits left Hercules in bad shape and further blows would have killed him.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk/sg_zpsfcvroglo.jpg

I really do think we're done here as far as a debate is concerned.

i agree--we were done quite a while ago i'm afraid.... soon as you said he could tank 1000 shots, it was pretty much over. at the end of wwh he went wbh for the first time. that was a distinctly different level of hulk. the energy from the eyes is the same energy we see in your 100% gammified hulk. we did NOT see that (the energy eyes, energy radiation) in the wwh arc. you continuously want to move the goalpost here. the wwh that was smacking hercules would have his lights turned out in about 1 second if hercules hit him 1000 times. not sure how this was ever debated in the first place. could 1000 hits from hercules ko hotm hulk? i'd say sure as sh!t it would, despite the fact that the other 'herald level guys like bi-beast were supposedly 1000x more powerful1!!'. zeus literally crushed that same hulk without effort. odin could barely put down thanos after prolonged battle. abc logic, but this seems about the time and place for it. you think zeus would have had thanos puking his guts out like that after a couple hits, given what odin did to him?? so now you're going to tell me thanos is what....FAR above that version of hulk, who according to you dwarfs guys like herc and thor??

the whole thing is crazy i'm afraid, and has never been born out against anyone of merit except sentry, and all you have there is opinion for the amount of power it required to go h2h with him. his gamma energy empowered a bunch of hulks? so? one bomb created hulk. one bomb empowered all those hulks. wbh was a beast. this isn't wbh. it's the hulk who couldn't ko a limp hercules, who didn't want to fight at all.

even your mindless scans--the heroes held back almost the entire fight. it was one of the main plot points and i proved it the last time the issue came up. and herc was certainly never in any danger at any point in that meeting. in fact, any time he faced that hulk 1 on 1 he did absolutely fine--he seemed to relish it when they first met.

i'm afraid none of the scans you showed were from the arc in discussion here, and none of them did anything to prove to me that he's taking a 1000 shots (in the first second, who knows HOW many 1000s in an actual fight!) from herc when zeus crippled him with only what, half a dozen? and that was an even STRONGER hulk than the wwh version.

sorry bro, you're right. debate is long ended. /shrug

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/tu_zps6v8ydkac.gif

Why did I read that?

This is the most mind boggling part
Originally posted by leonidas
it's the hulk who couldn't ko a limp hercules, who didn't want to fight at all.

Leo, I'm open to a battlezone vs Hercules any time.

absolutely. herc with qs speed vs wwh? we could start sunday. even saturday night. just need the judges. open the thread, make your opening and i'll respond. 3 post max should be more than enough. oh, and you have to stop using photobucket. it is complete sh!t....

Define which era Quicksilver now, please

Photobucket is getting tossed in the bushes

well, not the light speed one and not the one who was capped at mach 1 or even below i guess. not sure how much more specific you want.... the vast majority of his showings don't fall into those categories.

I'm telling you right now that I'm using everything Green scar (WB/"WWH" i.e. TIH #92 -> IHs #635, as well as weaker showings prior as I did in this thread

Define QS correctly now or any inconsistencies can be exploited fairly

hulk 635. because there is hardly ANY difference between the way he was depicted in the hotm--especially at the end--and the way he was shown in the wwh arc. hopefully you're kidding. this entire thread--as was reiterated by the thread starter--was intended to portray herc vs wwh AS SHOWN IN THAT ARC. this thread wasn't HERC VS GREEN SCAR. you don't seem to get that for some reason. and it expressly did NOT include hulk's depictions in the hotm arc. again, stated by the thread starter. and since that was never what i was debating in the first place, no, i won't be agreeing to that i'm afraid. one scan of hulk shattering a planet as collateral damage would likely suffice for you in that case....

if you wanna stick to the intended spirit of this thread--wwh, as shown in that arc--i'm all in.

All I need from you is to tell me the difference. I've already posted here how what this false equivalence is to deaf ears but that doesn't mean I will be less than adamant concerning logic and frankly, the truth. Why am I to be confined to a short arc when the story didn't even end there and the name of the character the forum uses is completely wrong?

The fact that I'm accommodating you with the Quicksilver nonsense is pretty nice to begin with since it never was part of that arc as well

....but its the OP's wish.

If OP makes a thread where Herc has, for some reason, QS' speed - guess what, we have to do that.

If he wants to make a thread where Batman has only his feats from Batman #50 and nowhere else...he's also free to do so.

Maybe that's why a battlezone is a separate thread, friendo

Originally posted by psycho gundam
All I need from you is to tell me the difference. I've already posted here how what this false equivalence is to deaf ears but that doesn't mean I will be less than adamant concerning logic and frankly, the truth. Why am I to be confined to a short arc when the story didn't even end there and the name of the character the forum uses is completely wrong?

The fact that I'm accommodating you with the Quicksilver nonsense is pretty nice to begin with since it never was part of that arc as well

wth? really? i'm not debating the difference between hulks. lol

leo: i'll gladly bz anyone who wants to have a herc w/qs speed vs wwh
pg: i'll bz!
leo: awesome, let's start tomorrow.
pg: ok, but i'm using all green scar showings including the book where he goes full wbh!
leo:

i trust you see how that plays out? and you're 'accommodating me? lol THE THREAD IS HERC W\QS SPEED VS WWH AS SEEN IN THAT ARC.

anyway, this is ludicrous. if you want to debate the thread we're in, coolio. all in. if not, concession accepted.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Maybe that's why a battlezone is a separate thread, friendo



Why not make it WBH vs Herc with QS when he was powerless, whilst WBH also has the Power Gem, since we're chopping and changing?

Originally posted by leonidas
wth? really? i'm not debating the difference between hulks. lol

leo: i'll gladly bz anyone who wants to have a herc w/qs speed vs wwh
pg: i'll bz!
leo: awesome, let's start tomorrow.
pg: ok, but i'm using all green scar showings including the book where he goes full wbh!
leo:

i trust you see how that plays out? and you're 'accommodating me? lol THE THREAD IS HERC W\QS SPEED VS WWH AS SEEN IN THAT ARC.

anyway, this is ludicrous. if you want to debate the thread we're in, coolio. all in. if not, concession accepted. Technically this is what I initially started with

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Leo, I'm open to a battlezone vs Hercules any time. If you want Quicksilver added to that I'm fine (yet to be defined era) but Hercules gets far too much credit and that battlezone has been long overdue

Full transparency: if I were to talk about what WB level Hulk from WWH #5 is capable of, wouldn't I logically show it from canon issues where it appears? It's the same as green scar. The thread starter in this thread has no bearing on what I'm starting the battlezone with.

Herc.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Technically this is what I initially started with

If you want Quicksilver added to that I'm fine (yet to be defined era) but Hercules gets far too much credit and that battlezone has been long overdue

Full transparency: if I were to talk about what WB level Hulk from WWH #5 is capable of, wouldn't I logically show it from canon issues where it appears? It's the same as green scar. The thread starter in this thread has no bearing on what I'm starting the battlezone with.

but the thread starter, and his topic, has EVERY bearing on the bz i proposed. i mean, seriously? this IS the topic that is being debated here. herc gets too much credit? wth? from whom exactly? herc would have given a classic battle to to hulk in that wwh arc had he really chosen to fight and there are dozens of feats to support that--including banner's own words. BUT HE WOULD LOSE. he'd almost always lose to hulk after a very long battle. same as he'd beat thor with no hammer. hulk's hf is too much, and his durability feats are much better. not sure who's said otherwise.

again, for the umpteenth time--this is a very specific thread. the reason i said i'd bz this topic is because i figured it would be ABOUT this thread. hulk, in the wwh arc vs hercules w/qs speed--plain old qs, no isotope e enhancement.

i've been crystal clear throughout this entire thread while you keep wanting to put your own definition on what i'm arguing, and what the thread starter has dictated. that's not on me, nor is it on me to accommodate. again, if you wanna debate the thread topic, i'm in. can't be more clear than that.

Originally posted by leonidas
herc would have given a classic battle to to hulk in that wwh arc had he really chosen to fight and there are dozens of feats to support that--including banner's own words. That's the foundation the entire premise of this thread hinges on and I would go into lengths to illustrate that it's completely false.

I'm not arguing the same topic twice under the same conditions. That would be a waste of time especially how this thread turned out

WWH from the WWH arc, with showings before that arc against Herc with all arcs till incl WWH who has Quicksilvers speed. This is how the BZ should be. Go for it boys.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
That's the foundation the entire premise of this thread hinges on and I would go into lengths to illustrate that it's completely false.

I'm not arguing the same topic twice under the same conditions. That would be a waste of time especially how this thread turned out

you don't get to dictate the thread stips to the thread creator. and this thread ended just fine imo. you didn't seem to like that i wasn't straying from the topic as stated and explained repeatedly. if you wanted to debate full on green scar or wbh vs super speed herc you should have just opened a new thread instead of trying to force your own definition on an already defined thread. right or wrong is irrelevant to the thread and the stips put on it. i'm not interested in debating where green scar starts and ends, which version should be considered wwh and which hotm hulk. that's idiotic and frankly too damn pedantic to worry about. not looking for a treatise on hulk, just looking to debate the thread, as outlined, clearly. the labels given to hulk exist so people generally know which hulk is being debated. nothing more nothing less. it was clear which version was being used here all along, and i was clearly debating against THAT version. if you're not interested, fine. but i was nothing but clear all along.

Lmao @ this discussion.

Apparently, every WWH thread is now a WBH thread, even when WWH is specifically mentioned.

I'll make sure to debate OWAW Superman in every thread

I've cited the beginning and end of the Hulk persona in question with everything beyond WWH just being used as elaboration on what power that persona was packing. To ignore those showings is to ignore valuable information that explains how much energies were fueling the feats in WWH as it's not mutually exclusive

I'm just being thorough

I don't feel that I would have any need to bring WB Hulk into this to say that WW Hulk would defeat even a super fast Hercules. Sentry is more powerful than Hercules, and faster than Pietro. If we took WW Hulk's best strength feat throughout the series, and put him against this version of Hercules, I'd place all of my bets on WW Hulk absolutely wrecking Hercules. I'd think differently if the Hulk wasn't able to react to people that are extremely fast, but he has, and more than once. The Hulk with the very same persona as WW Hulk was said to have intestines that were 133.5 times stronger than Hercules and this was in a relatively calm state. The idea that Hercules stands a chance here even with the buff is outrageous. Many people may not like it, but there it is. It seems that people are able to accept the idea that Superman drastically holds back over 90% of the time, but when others do it they want to ignore it, even if it was directly stated on panel. WW Hulk wins IMO.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I've cited the beginning and end of the Hulk persona in question with everything beyond WWH just being used as elaboration on what power that persona was packing. To ignore those showings is to ignore valuable information that explains how much energies were fueling the feats in WWH as it's not mutually exclusive

I'm just being thorough

But you agree that according to his character in the arc that he operated at a capacity that it would take multiple hits by WWH to ko Hercules?

Also, do you agree that Herc is able to damage Hulk somewhat with a good punch as shown when he dropped Hulk in the arc?

How many hits would you say Herc needs (exactly like the ones he dropped Hulk with) in order to ko Hulk?

Originally posted by h1a8
But you agree that according to his character in the arc that he operated at a capacity that it would take multiple hits by WWH to ko Hercules?

Also, do you agree that Herc is able to damage Hulk somewhat with a good punch as shown when he dropped Hulk in the arc?

How many hits would you say Herc needs (exactly like the ones he dropped Hulk with) in order to ko Hulk?

He dropped Hulk with a surprise attack that did nothing. Then he put his entire body into it. I don't think that showing holds here.

Originally posted by carver9
He dropped Hulk with a surprise attack that did nothing. Then he put his entire body into it. I don't think that showing holds here.

Seriously, are you stupid?

Originally posted by carver9
He dropped Hulk with a surprise attack that did nothing. Then he put his entire body into it. I don't think that showing holds here. What?



https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/incrediblehulk107-023.jpg

Clearly, this rocked Hulk. You see blood coming from Hulk. Hulk gets dropped with his eyes closed (semi koed).

With QS speed, every hit will be a surprise hit.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you agree that according to his character in the arc that he operated at a capacity that it would take multiple hits by WWH to ko Hercules?

Also, do you agree that Herc is able to damage Hulk somewhat with a good punch as shown when he dropped Hulk in the arc?

How many hits would you say Herc needs (exactly like the ones he dropped Hulk with) in order to ko Hulk?

That wasn't a serious fight. When he fought Sentry would be considered to be a serious fight. Giving Hercules super speed here would still place him below Sentry in both power and speed. Sentry attempted to blitz in with more speed than Pietro, and he was stopped with a punch to the face. Why wouldn't the Hulk be able to replicate the feat with this made up version of Hercules? Why imagine things that did not happen when the Hulk faced a guy under similar conditions? The only difference here would be that Hercules would be less powerful, slower, and that he has no energy projection powers.

Originally posted by h1a8
What?



https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/incrediblehulk107-023.jpg

Clearly, this rocked Hulk. You see blood coming from Hulk. Hulk gets dropped with his eyes closed (semi koed).

With QS speed, every hit will be a surprise hit.

He wasn't knocked out. He closed his eyes on impact, and rose the next moment. You're making things up.

Originally posted by Stoic
That wasn't a serious fight. When he fought Sentry would be considered to be a serious fight. Giving Hercules super speed here would still place him below Sentry in both power and speed. Sentry attempted to blitz in with more speed than Pietro, and he was stopped with a punch to the face. Why wouldn't the Hulk be able to replicate the feat with this made up version of Hercules? Why imagine things that did not happen when the Hulk faced a guy under similar conditions? The only difference here would be that Hercules would be less powerful, slower, and that he has no energy projection powers.

You didn't address nor answer any of the questions. It's easy to ignore and state your opinion.

Originally posted by Stoic
He wasn't knocked out. He closed his eyes on impact, and rose the next moment. You're making things up. I didn't say he was koed but rocked and got damaged.

Is this a Superman thing?

Like admitting a speed blitz from Herc with Pietro's speed undermines arguments that Supes isn't blitzing Hulk?

Of course it is.

Originally posted by Stoic
He wasn't knocked out. He closed his eyes on impact, and rose the next moment. You're making things up.

He was written hitting the floor with his eyes closed for a reason.

Is it really in debate whether regular Herc could have given World War Hulk a decent fight? Pak is nearly as big of a fan writer of Herc as he is of Hulk!

If he wrote the fight right then and there, I doubt Hulk would just one shot him and be done with it.

yeah i'm beginning to think so too....

curious, how many punches from sentry did hulk actually take? anyone know?

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i'm beginning to think so too....

curious, how many punches from sentry did hulk actually take? anyone know?

By my memory (Which addmitedly isn't the greatest, but I've also re-read this several times), there didn't appear to be very many punch's thrown at all.

There was the initial shot when they first confront each other. After Sentry starts glowing, it's hard to tell whether he's hitting Hulk or just bathing him in his energy..

As they were depowering, there was some shots thrown if that counts..

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah i'm beginning to think so too....

curious, how many punches from sentry did hulk actually take? anyone know?

6 Punches from Hulk to Sentry in the fight.

5 Punches from Sentry to Hulk, this discounts the energy type blasts where he has an open palm pushed towards Hulks face.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559967&pagenumber=2

I'd post the scans but mobile phone.

Was Bada seriously that much of a Hulk fan boy, or was he trolling?

Originally posted by cdtm
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=559967&pagenumber=2

I'd post the scans but mobile phone.

Was Bada seriously that much of a Hulk fan boy, or was he trolling?

Trolling I think. Bada isn't really that severe a fanboy of any character.

Scans for you leo.

https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949157_1.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949158_2.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949159_3.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949160_4.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949161_5.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949162_6.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949163_7.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949164_8.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949165_9.jpg

https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949166_10.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949167_11.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949168_12.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949169_13.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949170_14.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949171_15.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949172_16.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949173_17.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949174_18.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949175_19.jpg

And here is the last scan (because adding it like the others breaches the image limit.)

http://imgur.com/a/W9uPb

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say he was koed but rocked and got damaged.

It was a surprised attack. He sucked in gas before that hit. Hercules would do that to ANY Herald/trans tier character if they were put in the same situation and I'm hoping you say he wouldn't so that I can prove you wrong. Say it!!!

Smh

Originally posted by carver9
It was a surprised attack. He sucked in gas before that hit. Hercules would do that to ANY Herald/trans tier character if they were put in the same situation and I'm hoping you say he wouldn't so that I can prove you wrong. Say it!!!

Except he now has all the feats of QS.

QS, who can throw with the strength of a billion blows:
http://i.imgur.com/9D11ZKa.png

Who can throw a thousand punches in the time it takes Gorgon to deliver one:
http://i.imgur.com/Xkego5d.png

(btw, he LET Gorgon tag him):
http://i.imgur.com/pdSvav0.png

And can phuck the HE up:
http://imgur.com/a/xX1tR

The same HE who was no-selling Rogue/Wonder Man's blows:
http://i.imgur.com/I15jgwi.png

Who's fast enough to tag Spidey (plus others, like Wolverine, Cage, Cap Marvel etc) all at once:
http://i.imgur.com/E3hgh4Q.png

And we of course know it took WWH SEVERAL punches just to KO Wolverine, and even earthquake level punches were unable to KO Cage.

NOW, Herc has that same speed. He has his fighting skills, his willingness to fight dirty:
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/ecq200/IncredibleHercules128-thepowerofamillionexplodingsuns.jpg

And in this thread, he's actually wanting to fight, rather than talk the Hulk down.

nice. was going to post some qs scans, but seemed a bit pointless. seems we could give herc light speed and it wouldn't matter to some. smh indeed....

and thanks oas.

and while you're here: that version of sentry, that was the same sentry that had his lights punched out by blue marvel correct? not saying that to bait you at all lol there was a nice light show going on around hulk and sentry in that fight, with some reasonable collateral damage, but we've SEEN firsthand what a REAL cutting lose sentry can do, and....this wasn't close to it. so, in terms of basic strength, this was the same sentry that bm ko'd, yes? in general?

anyway, the clear distinction between this hulk and hotm hulk is ludicrous in the extreme. between hulk and betty they destroyed a PLANET. between hulk and sentry? a building? a small part of the city maybe? yeah, very similar portrayals. smh doesn't do justice to the idea of viewing them the same... and obviously against sentry hulk powered down whereas in the DD he only continued to escalate. beyond ridiculous to view them the same for any kind of thread.

it's like some people don't think hulk can be ko'd or something. i won't bother with the scans. we've all seen them. and yet withstanding 5-6 punches from sentry in their EPIC throw down qualifies hulk to simply tank THOUSANDS of hits from hercules. staggering. is sentry stronger than herc? probably, but the difference is likely pretty small. does he have dynamic strength too? oas?

i wonder what might have happened had sentry ACTUALLY used...ANY speed in that fight? at all. dodge. hit, what 10000 times since he's so much faster than qs? dodge. hit another 10000? but hulk handles that easily too, yes?

there is a reason bricks who have super speed don't fight like speedsters. if they do, they do to mongul level characters what superman did to mongul while training. i don't have the scans. abhi? phil?

i do agree with stoic in one sense--this thread IS indeed outrageous. beyond that, tbh.

Originally posted by leonidas
nice. was going to post some qs scans, but seemed a bit pointless. seems we could give herc light speed and it wouldn't matter to some. smh indeed....

and thanks oas.

and while you're here: that version of sentry, that was the same sentry that had his lights punched out by blue marvel correct? not saying that to bait you at all lol there was a nice light show going on around hulk and sentry in that fight, with some reasonable collateral damage, but we've SEEN firsthand what a REAL cutting lose sentry can do, and....this wasn't close to it. so, in terms of basic strength, this was the same sentry that bm ko'd, yes? in general?

anyway, the clear distinction between this hulk and hotm hulk is ludicrous in the extreme. between hulk and betty they destroyed a PLANET. between hulk and sentry? a building? a small part of the city maybe? yeah, very similar portrayals. smh doesn't do justice to the idea of viewing them the same... and obviously against sentry hulk powered down whereas in the DD he only continued to escalate. beyond ridiculous to view them the same for any kind of thread.

it's like some people don't think hulk can be ko'd or something. i won't bother with the scans. we've all seen them. and yet withstanding 5-6 punches from sentry in their EPIC throw down qualifies hulk to simply tank THOUSANDS of hits from hercules. staggering. is sentry stronger than herc? probably, but the difference is likely pretty small. does he have dynamic strength too? oas?

i wonder what might have happened had sentry ACTUALLY used...ANY speed in that fight? at all. dodge. hit, what 10000 times since he's so much faster than qs? dodge. hit another 10000? but hulk handles that easily too, yes?

there is a reason bricks who have super speed don't fight like speedsters. if they do, they do to mongul level characters what superman did to mongul while training. i don't have the scans. abhi? phil?

i do agree with stoic in one sense--this thread IS indeed outrageous. beyond that, tbh.
The more relevant scan is this.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114090/3421774-7209318529-Adven.jpg

mmm

Originally posted by leonidas
and while you're here: that version of sentry, that was the same sentry that had his lights punched out by blue marvel correct? not saying that to bait you at all lol

Cheeky

Originally posted by leonidas
nice. was going to post some qs scans, but seemed a bit pointless. seems we could give herc light speed and it wouldn't matter to some. smh indeed....

and thanks oas.

there was a nice light show going on around hulk and sentry in that fight, with some reasonable collateral damage, but we've SEEN firsthand what a REAL cutting lose sentry can do, and....this wasn't close to it. so, in terms of basic strength, this was the same sentry that bm ko'd, yes? in general?

anyway, the clear distinction between this hulk and hotm hulk is ludicrous in the extreme. between hulk and betty they destroyed a PLANET. between hulk and sentry? a building? a small part of the city maybe? yeah, very similar portrayals. smh doesn't do justice to the idea of viewing them the same... and obviously against sentry hulk powered down whereas in the DD he only continued to escalate. beyond ridiculous to view them the same for any kind of thread.

it's like some people don't think hulk can be ko'd or something. i won't bother with the scans. we've all seen them. and yet withstanding 5-6 punches from sentry in their EPIC throw down qualifies hulk to simply tank THOUSANDS of hits from hercules. staggering. is sentry stronger than herc? probably, but the difference is likely pretty small. does he have dynamic strength too? oas?

i wonder what might have happened had sentry ACTUALLY used...ANY speed in that fight? at all. dodge. hit, what 10000 times since he's so much faster than qs? dodge. hit another 10000? but hulk handles that easily too, yes?

there is a reason bricks who have super speed don't fight like speedsters. if they do, they do to mongul level characters what superman did to mongul while training. i don't have the scans. abhi? phil?

i do agree with stoic in one sense--this thread IS indeed outrageous. beyond that, tbh.

This is quite an interesting question mainly because in the Blue Marvel fight Sentry was actually hampered by the Negative Zone leaking out which screwed with his powers. Some people used to say this wasn't true to me but I got author confirmation via twitter (not that I really needed it since the story shows it).

I don't think there's really ever a time one could look at 2 different Sentry stories and have us say these must be similar. The only barometers you can get are when Sentry is at his lowest low or his highs. World War Hulk is a good example of him being at his most unstable in his comic history and also we get an example of what he is capable of when doing that (as he is shown to be going all out). Obviously not his full output due to the circumstances. It's a difficult to question I answer I can't be 100%. I mean I guess you could say they might be in the same ballpark but you would be (and these numbers are just completely random and used for example purposes). You might have a completely dejected Sentry where he is Robert Reynolds at a 0, WWH Sentry at 1000 and the Blue Marvel occasion at 1700 perhaps.

But its harder to quantify because Sentry wasn't in the same mentality he was when he fought Hulk. Sentry was bloodying Blue Marvel at that point and he didn't appear to be over exerting. Imagine if he wanted to be put down in that situation and therefore was hitting Blue Marvel as hard as he could. I don't know how well Blue Marvel would fair. If the Sentry had punched Blue Marvel when he was down he might have ended it there and then if not for his monologue.

He does have dynamic strength yes. I have to admit I don't really like the term but his strength accelerates and declines with his mental state. As confirmed in bios and in examples through the comics. But all of his power, strength, durability is dynamic. Or h can choose to let himself "die" when he got Thor to kill him.

I don't think Sentry was really in the mentality to use speed or anything. In many ways he was fighting like Hulk would, just brutish up close brawling. But if he was in a better state he could have done the exact same thing and had better results if he actually wanted it. If it had been Sentry from Sentry Vol 2 who was going full pelt at WWH it would be a very different story. I mean imagine WWH Sentry but instead he didn't want to be put down. He just carries on getting angrier and more out of control.

And ironically, After Super-Eclipso brush's aside EVERYONE, including Lobo TWICE, Guy saved the day.

With a vat 'o sun, as he called it.

Was an awesome comic for so many reasons, but especially for Guy's character development and impressing everyone there with his heroics, especially Ice.

All treated like it never happened in every comic afterwards, Guy's still a jerk and everyone hates him up until post Emerald Twilight..

Originally posted by carver9
It was a surprised attack. He sucked in gas before that hit. Hercules would do that to ANY Herald/trans tier character if they were put in the same situation and I'm hoping you say he wouldn't so that I can prove you wrong. Say it!!!

With QS speed every hit would be a surprise hit.
The writer's intentions were that Herc put Hulk down due to strength, not being surprised or having sucked in gas before.

The smoke was literally referenced for herc to utilize. Stop this

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The smoke was literally referenced for herc to utilize. Stop this scans

Superman wins, with ease.

...I mean Hercules wins. Of course.

Originally posted by h1a8
scans

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/incrediblehulk107-022.jpg

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949166_10.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949167_11.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949168_12.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949169_13.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949170_14.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949171_15.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949172_16.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949173_17.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949174_18.jpg https://s6d1.turboimg.net/t/34949175_19.jpg

And here is the last scan (because adding it like the others breaches the image limit.)

http://imgur.com/a/W9uPb Bah!
Sissies.
So much bleeding and bruising. I know of a chatacter that is as strong as they r and he has never bled or bruised that much.

They were BARELY damaging each other's clothing. Yet, bleeding like pampered lady-boys.

And, they expended all of their power, together, only resulting in a bruised city.

I know of a character who is easily as powerful as Hulk and Sentry and he has NEVER run out of power in a fight.

And, my God, the bellyaching and whining. If that story arch hadnt ended, I'm fairly certain we would have been witness to some horrendous form of hugging, or emotional validation, followed by awkward massage.

I know of a character who is much tougher than Hulk or Sentry and he never goes around crying to his enemies, or needing hugs, or awkward massage.


I will leave it at that, because I know this is a Thor Thubject.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Bah!
Sissies.
So much bleeding and bruising. I know of a chatacter that is as strong as they r and he has never bled or bruised that much.

They were BARELY damaging each other's clothing. Yet, bleeding like pampered lady-boys.

And, they expended all of their power, together, only resulting in a bruised city.

I know of a character who is easily as powerful as Hulk and Sentry and he has NEVER run out of power in a fight.

And, my God, the bellyaching and whining. If that story arch hadnt ended, I'm fairly certain we would have been witness to some horrendous form of hugging, or emotional validation, followed by awkward massage.

I know of a character who is much tougher than Hulk or Sentry and he never goes around crying to his enemies, or needing hugs, or awkward massage.


I will leave it at that, because I know this is a Thor Thubject.

Don't get hung up on the art. Andrea Devito also sketched a side story within the same arc, when the Hulk payed the X-Men a visit and there was nowhere near as much bruising. That's just JR Junior's style of sketching.

Hulk just barely loses to a Superman killer

Originally posted by Stoic
Don't get hung up on the art. Andrea Devito also sketched a side story within the same arc, when the Hulk payed the X-Men a visit and there was nowhere near as much bruising. That's just JR Junior's style of sketching. Too late!!
Romita Jr needs to stop his doodling.

It's not even art anymore.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/incrediblehulk107-022.jpg

Thanks! So it seems Herc putting Hulk on the ground had nothing to do with the gas. It was cleared out by Herc in the last panel.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanks! So it seems Herc putting Hulk on the ground had nothing to do with the gas. It was cleared out by Herc in the last panel. http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gifs/kgface_zps6af7487a.gif

^I meant cleared out by Hulk (not Herc)

It still gave Herc plenty of time to land his cheapshot double-fisted punch.

Yes.

If only he had some way of getting more time.....

It will look like this but faster, way faster and harder. Imo

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/119153/2767166-16e6ccafbc_ga.jpeg

So Hulk might actually feel it a little. Gotcha.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So Hulk might actually feel it a little. Gotcha.

Yes it will be that brief, then he will be sleeping.

Yeah, massive bleeding from Herc's broken hands will cause him to pass out. Agreed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, massive bleeding from Herc's broken hands will cause him to pass out. Agreed.

Nah! that will be from hulkie boy broken nose.

Lol, Hulk's blood will KO Herc. Even better

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lol, Hulk's blood will KO Herc. Even better

Yes he will be drowning on it