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Hand to hand, no trident, no board, they mix it up with their fists. Who wins?

Aquaman is a way better fighter but Surfer should be much stronger.

pretty sure ss did pretty well against hulk and his buddies in the arena. can't see am doing any real lasting damage to him. ss should take this pretty handily i'd think. and on planet hulk, i think ss was weakened as well... he wouldn't be here, obviously. need a bigger gun to punch ss's lights out imo.

Agree. Surfer wins.

Originally posted by leonidas
pretty sure ss did pretty well against hulk and his buddies in the arena. can't see am doing any real lasting damage to him. ss should take this pretty handily i'd think. and on planet hulk, i think ss was weakened as well... he wouldn't be here, obviously. need a bigger gun to punch ss's lights out imo.

This?
https://lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/incredible-hulk-vs-silver-surfer-planet-hulk/

Not really seeing anything that looks unreplicatable by Aquaman. Or where Surfer did any lasting damage. Probably missing some scenes though?

Surfer has a weapon and his board. And it's seems Hulk is holding back until that final hit..

no i think that's all of it. hulk only got his shots in because he had help though, and a weak ss seemed pretty capable of matching him. the hulk in that arc is a lot stronger than am imo and like i said, that ss was weakened on a couple fronts. at full strength i don't see am being able to come close to what hulk did. he'd get some shots in but ss has far too many durability feats for me to believe he'd be punched out by arthur. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
no i think that's all of it. hulk only got his shots in because he had help though, and a weak ss seemed pretty capable of matching him. the hulk in that arc is a lot stronger than am imo and like i said, that ss was weakened on a couple fronts. at full strength i don't see am being able to come close to what hulk did. he'd get some shots in but ss has far too many durability feats for me to believe he'd be punched out by arthur. /shrug I'll have to check, but wasn't Hulk weakened at that point, or had he already recovered? I haven't read PH in years.

if he was weak, that would be news to me. if you find that, def worth posting.

Originally posted by leonidas
if he was weak, that would be news to me. if you find that, def worth posting. I'll try to look. I know he was weak when he first got to the planet to the worm hole, but I don't remember how long that lasted.

Originally posted by leonidas
no i think that's all of it. hulk only got his shots in because he had help though, and a weak ss seemed pretty capable of matching him. the hulk in that arc is a lot stronger than am imo and like i said, that ss was weakened on a couple fronts. at full strength i don't see am being able to come close to what hulk did. he'd get some shots in but ss has far too many durability feats for me to believe he'd be punched out by arthur. /shrug

Hulk's undoubtedly the physically stronger character between him and Arthur. Given the dialogue I don't think Arthur's punching out Surfer either at least before being punched out himself.

Is it stated though that Surfer was weakened?

Both of them were weakened

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
This?
https://lowbrowcomics.com/2016/04/10/incredible-hulk-vs-silver-surfer-planet-hulk/

Not really seeing anything that looks unreplicatable by Aquaman. Or where Surfer did any lasting damage. Probably missing some scenes though?

Surfer has a weapon and his board. And it's seems Hulk is holding back until that final hit..
By the same token, i see nothing that puts AQ significantly above SS in regards to h2h.
A lot is made of SS being pacifistic, but he throws hands just fine when the occasion calls for it.
In comic book terms, neither he nor AQ do much more than punch dramatically.

SS wins this, imo, due to greater durability and strength, all other things being equal.

Edit

Originally posted by leonidas
if he was weak, that would be news to me. if you find that, def worth posting.

"News to you"...?

Have you even read Planet Hulk? He was f*cking weakened, while Surfer was bloodlusted and secretely relishing in his new life as a gladiator slave.

And guess what, Norrin got smashed.

durhulk

Originally posted by riv6672
By the same token, i see nothing that puts AQ significantly above SS in regards to h2h.
A lot is made of SS being pacifistic, but he throws hands just fine when the occasion calls for it.
In comic book terms, neither he nor AQ do much more than punch dramatically.

SS wins this, imo, due to greater durability and strength, all other things being equal.

Aquaman does more than punch, he'll show more technical fighting when he grapples. The only issue that comes in mind with Aquaman and h2h is that it's never gone in depth with.

Like it is for the slugfester Thor, or same with Orion ironically.

Not that I was saying he's a better fighter then Norrin though?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Both of them were weakened

Difference is, Hulk tried to reason with Surfer, while Surfer loved his obedience disk.

Hulk is closer to 100% than Surfer since Sufer came through the portal later.

I thought Surfer came earlier.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought Surfer came earlier..... Me too, IIRC the red king mentioned that before they faced in the arena or something.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"News to you"...?

Have you even read Planet Hulk? He was f*cking weakened, while Surfer was bloodlusted and secretely relishing in his new life as a gladiator slave.

And guess what, Norrin got smashed.

durhulk

lol what year did that come out again....?

if hulk was weakened, i'd completely forgotten that bit. it was expressly stated by ss at the end of that book that he wasn't only cut off from the pc in the fight, but was weakened in other ways too. THAT bit i remembered.

IIRC, and I admit I need to dig that comic out, but Surfer was already a celeb on the planet and everything. Was the World breaker before it was cool.

Hulk was definitely weakened, but the disc on his chest had something to do with it too, because it was being used to limit Surfers comic abilities I believe. As soon as it came off he popped the discs off the other gladiators' chests.

The guidebook gives a good overview. Surfer had arrived only days ago and is discovered in an effort to find an opponent who can beat Hulk.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/2rPiVOUcOWDIMd40grnW7gxNNPaBcIvrrvj5mIL9NLnyd-CEgWbyifBfkcUaaDiL2q_iEXOL9RmmB6TpDJMm4tsfxJKaj-abUoDDI7y34IKxpMu93vF4u-se5rhjH3K1Ex7ZFzI=s0

looks like they were both weakened. And I was wrong.

Interesting how it says how Surfer was only defeated by the teamwork of Hulks allies....

Originally posted by leonidas
lol what year did that come out again....?

if hulk was weakened, i'd completely forgotten that bit. it was expressly stated by ss at the end of that book that he wasn't only cut off from the pc in the fight, but was weakened in other ways too. THAT bit i remembered.

2006-2007.

He was weakened and so was Norrin, but there was a major difference in their mindsets.

People always love to leave out the scans describing in detail on how intoxicated Surfer was with his gladiator experience.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Me too, IIRC the red king mentioned that before they faced in the arena or something.

This seems to indicate that Hulk comes earlier:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ sXwLMeru1Q3uOfJzM08eune03RH9qgx9nJsBihoz_mYNwJPUsr
LyGvTNMJveU_RorgEUfrFqJ16u=s0

Edit. Not sure why the links often don't work, but if you quote me and copy and paste link, you can see scan. Sorry.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Not that I was saying he's a better fighter then Norrin though?
No, i just enjoyed your post and used it to make a point.

i kind of get the impression that there was a time when would relish a gladiator fight but at the time he just isn't about that life and hates it.

I did think that it was impressive that hulk wailed on SS and as soon as he got a bit a Power Cosmic he bounced up like it was nothing.

I'd give Aquaman the edge in skill, but I honestly don't think he has the strength or durability that Surfer does. Surfer should win unless Aquaman can out-fight him, imo.

He was weakened but he was still stronger than Arthur asked off what he did during planet hulk.

Lol. Not when he fought Surfer.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd give Aquaman the edge in skill, but I honestly don't think he has the strength or durability that Surfer does. Surfer should win unless Aquaman can out-fight him, imo.
Eh. Close enough!

Surfer had to one time amp just to match and exceed Thing. That means he is normally around Thing level in strength.

Pretty good fighting for Surfer:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111137054/3661650-silver+surfer+12+019.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111137054/3661651-silver+surfer+12+020.jpg

Hulk at the very beginning of Planet Hulk, Was really weakened. He wasn't healing properly and Korg actually got the better of him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Difference is, Hulk tried to reason with Surfer, while Surfer loved his obedience disk. Doesn't matter as the portal heavily weakend them both upon arrival.

Surfer did alright but he took a heavy beating from a guy who even weakened was ably to toss a big rock that seemingly broke a mountain apart and then kept a planet something like twice Earth's size from breaking apart with sheer brawn. It's a loss but to ascertain where Surfer normally sits is vague at best

a weakened hulk still looked pretty strong in that arc to me, I think that SS could no sell most anything AM could throw.

Yay, back to Aquaman! clap

Originally posted by staxamillion
a weakened hulk still looked pretty strong in that arc to me, I think that SS could no sell most anything AM could throw.

Then he should no sell Namor too.

Surfer should be a little above Thing on average in physical strength.
He had to amp just to beat Thing.

maybe so but I don't see AM putting out the damage to take out SS either.

Originally posted by staxamillion
a weakened hulk still looked pretty strong in that arc to me, I think that SS could no sell most anything AM could throw.

There's a difference between no selling and not being hurt enough to put someone down.

Originally posted by staxamillion
maybe so but I don't see AM putting out the damage to take out SS either. Surfer has a glass jaw you know. Arthur was able to hit blood from Superman. Superman is arguably more durable to blunt attacks than Surfer.

Arthur is a much better fighter. The hit ratio would probably be something like 4:1.

I think glass jaw is a bit much but I do step back from no selling AM to not doing enough damage. there has been plenty of threads to show at least he can take a hit.

Originally posted by staxamillion
I think glass jaw is a bit much but I do step back from no selling AM to not doing enough damage. there has been plenty of threads to show at least he can take a hit.

Glass Jaw is quite a bit much:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3613767-surfer+1.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_16.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_18.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_19.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_20.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_21.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_27.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_28.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer had to one time amp just to match and exceed Thing. That means he is normally around Thing level in strength.
Originally posted by h1a8
Then he should no sell Namor too.

Surfer should be a little above Thing on average in physical strength.
He had to amp just to beat Thing.

He had to amp to match Thing way back when he was weakened back in the era of his first series. And even back then he wasn't limited to Thing's strength level via amping, he surpassed Thing's strength. Since then he's stopped Rhino's charge with one hand and knocked Lunatik from the tropical region of a planet all the way to the ice cap.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Glass Jaw is quite a bit much:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41224/3613767-surfer+1.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_16.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_17.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_18.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_19.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_20.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_21.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_26.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_27.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_28.jpg
Don't forget the time when a bloodlusted Wonderman pounded away on him for a bit trying to kill him when Surfer was already extremely weakened, failed, and then Surfer came back moments later to absolutely trash the guy.

I prefer the time when pissed off Daredevil made Norrin choke on his billy club.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't forget the time when a bloodlusted Wonderman pounded away on him for a bit trying to kill him when Surfer was already extremely weakened, failed, and then Surfer came back moments later to absolutely trash the guy.

Yep.

http://imgur.com/a/tSmJH#0

Originally posted by Damborgson
Hulk at the very beginning of Planet Hulk, Was really weakened. He wasn't healing properly and Korg actually got the better of him.

He was getting stronger as it went along, but even before the fight with Surfer, he was having problems and was easily damaged with spears and such. They were both really weakened , so there's not much that can be drawn from all of it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Don't forget the time when a bloodlusted Wonderman pounded away on him for a bit trying to kill him when Surfer was already extremely weakened, failed, and then Surfer came back moments later to absolutely trash the guy.
That just shows how much of a joke Simon is.

ermm

In the comic, it seems Surfer came first:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2mpl6vb.jpg

Always seemed to me that Surfer arrived before Hulk, yes.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I prefer the time when pissed off Daredevil made Norrin choke on his billy club.
Hey DD's taken down Ultron with a simple tree branch... just imagine the force he can exert with the billy club he's practiced at for years now

Originally posted by abhilegend
That just shows how much of a joke Simon is.

ermm

Simon's not one of Marvel's big dogs, but he's not exactly a joke in the strength department...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/wondythingstrength1cr.jpg

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/JoeJimBoy/Avengers307_10a.jpg
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/JoeJimBoy/Avengers307_09b.jpg

Plus the whole 50,000 ton press thing(which I can't seem to find a working scan for).

And during the Infinity Crusade he was going through an ordeal where his powers were tied to his emotional state and was stonger than he was during his classic days while he was enraged.

H1N1 is only going to ignore that just to double down on an out-of-context scan he saw at some point that defines everything about the character without nuance forevermore

Originally posted by darthgoober
Simon's not one of Marvel's big dogs, but he's not exactly a joke in the strength department...


Yeah, the problem with Simon is he written all over the place. He's not an A list character so they take some liberties with him.

He can go from losing to people like Mr. Fixit, and such to casually choking out the Red Hulk.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, the problem with Simon is he written all over the place. He's not an A list character so they take some liberties with him.

He can go from losing to people like Mr. Fixit, and such to casually choking out the Red Hulk.
Yeah but the flashback fight was to an era before WM got upgraded during his solo series. Him stalemating Professor Hulk and choking out Red Hulk both happened after that upgrade.

And even Fixit was nothing to sneer at depending on the story. I mean he is the one who destroyed that asteroid that was bigger than Earth.

Hmmm. This seems to imply that Hulk comes first:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147425/3456297-incrediblehulk94-025.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Always seemed to me that Surfer arrived before Hulk, yes.

The first time Surfer is presented, it's pretty clear that he's been there a while and has already fought in gladiator battles before. But this clears it up.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Simon's not one of Marvel's big dogs, but he's not exactly a joke in the strength department...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/wondythingstrength1cr.jpg

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/JoeJimBoy/Avengers307_10a.jpg
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/JoeJimBoy/Avengers307_09b.jpg

Plus the whole 50,000 ton press thing(which I can't seem to find a working scan for).

And during the Infinity Crusade he was going through an ordeal where his powers were tied to his emotional state and was stonger than he was during his classic days while he was enraged.
Eh, he has his few golden moments but in Infinity series he was a goddamn joke who failed to ko Wolverine after repeated attacks when even John Walker koed Wolverine in two attacks, lost to Adam Warlock, oneshotted by Maxam and as you showed failed to ko a weakened Surfer.

You're acting like it's some kind of big feat for Surfer.

uhuh

in the short-lived thing series, ben also said he's stronger than simon, so, meh. simon is all over the place. some good showings, some not so good. in general i put him and namor in the same class.