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Location, location, location are the three most important words in real estate. It's not a coincidence that Earth is the only inhabitable world in the universe. Earth has everything that is absolutely necessary for life to exist. It is no wonder life does not exist on any other planet. What does the Bible say about Earth?



Isaiah 45:18

For thus says the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the EARTH and made it; He has established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be INHABITED: I am the Lord; and there is none else.



Your home--which just so happens to have all of the right conditions to make living in it hospitable, all things being equal--is constructed of natural materials, some of which were modified from various raw materials, so your house has a purely naturalistic origin correct?

It had no designer, and is not the product of an intelligent mind right? Logic tells you that your home was created by a big bang right?

Antimatter and matter went contrary to the laws of physics' three laws of motion, collided, and that formed your life-sheltering (perhaps sustaining and supporting as well) house correct?

Or better yet your home--with its plumbing system, electrical system, insulation system, heating system, in just the right location (it's not hanging precariously off of Mount Everest, in a perennial blizzard)--expanded from infinitely dense matter known as a singularity.

Am I on the right track?

What would you think if I said to you that this is what I wholeheartedly believe?

What would you say if I said that your home, and all of the complex matter and organisms in your home (the framework, foundation, appliances, carpets, rugs, ceiling, drywall, nails, furniture, TVs, paint work, doors, knobs, keys, clocks, washers, dryers, toasters, refrigerator, beds, laptops, cellphones, radios, mirrors, clothes, boxes, plants, fish, dogs, cats, flowers, gardens, garage, cars, trucks, birds, insects, faucets, toilets, showers, heat, breaker boxes, outlets, lamps, light switches, stove, microwave, toaster, dishwasher, sink, bath tub, couches, love seat, recliner, shoes, belts, wallet, your family and everything in it)--self-organized from chemicals and energy, and were the result of random chance?

That you and your home had no parents (or human creators), all of the meaningfully organized quarks, atoms, molecules, and other matter all came together on their own, and are the result of a purely naturalistic and materialistic origin. Matter just decided on its own to form a foundation from specific chemicals, or a framework from wood without the aid of an intelligent mind. The ceiling formed itself, the plumbing system formed itself. The electrical system formed itself. Matter chose the ideal location for your home and all of the other things that you would need to make it hospitable for life. It was not a designer with an intelligent mind that did these things, it was just matter, gravity, chemicals, blind chance, and energy. All of the matter came together in all of the most meaningful places so that you could have someplace hospitable to live.

Again, no architect, no designer, no blueprints, no creator--just an impersonal clump of matter created all of these interconnected conditions that you just so happened to be the beneficiary of.

What would you think of me if I said this and truly believed it? Would you believe that I was rational? Would you believe that I was being logical? What if I said that since I do not see the builder that he doesn't exist?

What would you say?



I say that this finely-tuned universe proves that Earth is INDEED unique.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
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Why there is no life on Mars or any moons of Jupiter?

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And as far as whether or not there is life on other planets, well, it's extremely likely that there is life on other planets considering the sheer abundance of stars in the universe and the even larger number of planets surrounding those stars. I think it's crazy to think there isn't life elsewhere, but conscious life, who knows...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
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No, more like:

http://i.imgur.com/mISmw1A.jpg

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why there is no life on Mars or any moons of Jupiter?

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head.

God created EARTH to be inhabited, not any other planet. That's why no life exists anywhere else in the universe.

Originally posted by Beniboybling




Cool/funny comparisons huh?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
lol...

Okay, but see the analogy falls apart pretty easily because your household items there don't have DNA that has developed and evolved naturally on the planet. You're not taking into account new information that has come about through scientific discoveries. You see how you're living in the wrong century by clinging to an outdated document like the Bible?

I think you read more into my comparisons than I intended for you to. It's not meant to be literal, scientific comparisons, just neat, fun, cool comparisons.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
I think you read more into my comparisons than I intended for you to. It's not meant to be literal, scientific comparisons, just neat, fun, cool comparisons.

https://img.memecdn.com/creationists_fb_1770811.jpg

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
That's why no life exists anywhere else in the universe.

That's speculation and can't be proven or disproven at this point.

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Yes the conditions of the Earth and life existing on Earth are a relatively weak form of the cosmological argument, whereas the ordering of scientific law and fine tuning of scientific law (which you've mentioned a few times) is a more compelling argument.

I'd advise you to focus more on the nature of scientific law and the fine tuning of scientific law rather than a comparison of Earth's conditions to the rest of the universe. The universe is so vast that life existing on Earth and Earth's conditions isn't that compelling, and arguing scientific law is fine tuned is more compelling.

What if Jesus was an Alien?

What if the fruit of knowledge is a metaphor for psychedelic mushrooms
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Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
Well, since you claim that it is likely that there is life on other planets, the BURDEN OF PROOF is on YOU.

Now, PROVE IT.

What did I just say...

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
That's speculation and can't be proven or disproven at this point.

I have no certainty with proof. YOU are the one who is so certain, so where is YOUR proof?

We can't possibly explore the entire universe to prove or disprove it. We can't even explore the entire planet at once time to prove or disprove the existence of Sasquatch. But there is probability involved. I have no idea what the probability is, though.. something called the Drake Equation.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
In fact, God's Book (the Bible) reveals scientific facts thousands and hundreds of years before modern scientists discovered "and" confirmed them. http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html

Lol, those are stretching things quite a bit. There's still nothing about germ theory for disease. Wouldn't an omniscient entity feel it necessary to tell his creation about something so crucial? If it weren't for science we would still be burning heretics and witches alive for looking at us funny and blaming sins for disease and disaster.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
No, more like:

http://i.imgur.com/mISmw1A.jpg Novel concept: life adapted to Earth's conditions over a period of millions of years.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Novel concept: life adapted to Earth's conditions over a period of millions of years. Fine-tuning is a thing though. There's a reason the likes of Stephen Hawking feel the need to subscribe to theories such as the scientific counterpart of Creationism: the Multiverse theory. Lol

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Fine-tuning is a thing though. There's a reason the likes of Stephen Hawking feel the need to subscribe to theories such as the scientific counterpart of Creationism: the Multiverse theory. Lol

So admitting that the Universe and life within it is so improbable there are much better conceptions of the universe than the ceramic Creator model of the universe as indicated in the Bible. Universe as "drama" or "organism" is much more interesting because it fits better with new information. We were no more "created" than a plant is "created" when a seed is planted into the soil and watered. To say we are "grown" or "developed" makes more sense.

The unwarranted jump that religious fundamentalists make is saying, "Oh, well the Universe is just so well ordered and amazing, it must be the Bible and Jesus because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy!" Well, people within all other religions (and even no religion) around the world feel warm and fuzzy too, so that is proof that there is something deeper at work.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
No, more like:

http://i.imgur.com/mISmw1A.jpg

100 x 0 = 0

Unsupported faith-based religion is a hell of a drug...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/religion-is-a-hell-of-a-drug-and-your-pastor-12811610.png

Hundreds of billions of galaxies, 100 billion (likely more) stars in the Milky way, and likely innumerable planets as well. I have a really shit understanding of light years and the mathematical aspects of it, but it just seems like the only thing separating us from another civilization is the distance between our Solar system and the nearest star. I think that there is something out there but we'll likely never find them in this millennia unless we develop some sort of technology for interstellar travel. Babysteps!

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
What if Jesus was an Alien?

No, the Lord Jesus is a Person. He is fully God, and fully Man/Human. The Bible is about Him from Genesis through Revelation. The four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) focus on His early life, ministry, service, love, compassion, and goodness.

Click on link http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

For "extra-biblical" evidence of the Lord Jesus' existence, click the link below and scroll down.

" Is There Any Evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible?

Click http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

I don't know about that but, the Bible (God's Book) talks about the fruit of the Spirit:


Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.



Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth...)

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What if the fruit of knowledge is a metaphor for psychedelic mushrooms
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I don't know about that but, the Bible (God's Book) talks about the fruit of the Spirit:


Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.



Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth...)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/20/we-are-not-alone-nasa-telescope-finds-10-earth-like-planets

Huh, ain't science neat.

Funny, the enin guy said the same thing about his book, are you sure you're not a clone?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Novel concept: life adapted to Earth's conditions over a period of millions of years.

Where's your PROOF that life ADAPTED to Earth's conditions over a period of MILLIONS OF YEARS?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Fine-tuning is a thing though. There's a reason the likes of Stephen Hawking feel the need to subscribe to theories such as the scientific counterpart of Creationism: the Multiverse theory. Lol

Yep. With respect to fine-tuning, the PROOF is in the proverbial pudding. The EVIDENCE is overwhelming.

On the other hand, the multiverse HYPOTHESIS (NOT theory) is NOT a thing, except in some atheist's mind.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
Where's your PROOF that life ADAPTED to Earth's conditions over a period of MILLIONS OF YEARS?

Lol, the proof is overwhelming from multiple disciplines and Darwin's original understanding has continued to be confirmed the more that is discovered. And in fact, no evidence has been revealed that contradicts it. Believe it or not, the Bible's account of creation has not held up to scrutiny and even in court it collapsed without sufficient evidence. Why you deny this I don't know. It's simple fact.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
But God HAS the power to end all of these things.

Lol, so why doesn't he? He is either impotent or evil. So why call him God?

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
Where's your PROOF that life ADAPTED to Earth's conditions over a period of MILLIONS OF YEARS? https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1228/1228-h/1228-h.htm

Give it a read.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1228/1228-h/1228-h.htm

Give it a read.

I can't see the link at the moment, but don't you know that it was probably written by Godless heathens who don't know the Truth of God's Word, so it's debunked from the start?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
100 x 0 = 0

The constants that make life POSSIBLE in this universe are over many, so your arithmetic is incorrect.

This is just 15: http://www.inplainsite.org/html/anthropic_principles.html

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Unsupported faith-based religion is a hell of a drug...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/religion-is-a-hell-of-a-drug-and-your-pastor-12811610.png

You are in denial.

I have supported my faith tirelessly, but you just refuse to study my evidence.

Originally posted by carthage
Hundreds of billions of galaxies, 100 billion (likely more) stars in the Milky way, and likely innumerable planets as well. I have a really shit understanding of light years and the mathematical aspects of it, but it just seems like the only thing separating us from another civilization is the distance between our Solar system and the nearest star. I think that there is something out there but we'll likely never find them in this millennia unless we develop some sort of technology for interstellar travel. Babysteps!

Why do you PRESUME that there is another civilization?

Where do these UNFOUNDED, UNPROVEN ASSUMPTIONS come from?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Ah, there's your proof. The Ultimate Source of Truth doesn't mention it, so it must not be a thing. Well, there's no arguing with that. Except the Bible also endorses slavery and genocide, so I guess we should still be doing that, eh JesusLovesYou? How many slaves do you own and how do you treat them?

Uh, what's your stance on pro-life? Do YOU agree that a woman has a RIGHT to abort her embryo? If so, there's no difference between that and genocide, because it happens on a wide-scale.

You do not understand what kind of era people lived in during the events recorded in the Bible. Indentured servitude was a common, normal way of life.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
You are in denial.

I have supported my faith tirelessly, but you just refuse to study my evidence.

That is why it's faith, because there is no proof. It's belief without evidence. Isn't that what makes Christianity what it is... after all, if there was proof then you wouldn't be so pious for believing it now would you? Faith, according to you, is a virtue.



Of course I feel otherwise.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/20/we-are-not-alone-nasa-telescope-finds-10-earth-like-planets

Huh, ain't science neat.

There's STILL NO PROOF of ANY other life, on any other planet, so why are you so gleeful?

Yes that's what I'm saying my dude. In such a vast galaxy with the scientific laws we have, the fact that life exists on earth is a weak teleological argument relative to pointing out the ordering and fine-tuning of scientific law itself.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I can't see the link at the moment, but don't you know that it was probably written by Godless heathens who don't know the Truth of God's Word, so it's debunked from the start? It was written by the greatest heathen of all, Charlie Darwin.

Originally posted by Beniboybling


Funny, the enin guy said the same thing about his book, are you sure you're not a clone?

Well, you guys talk more about SCIENCE than you do anything else (almost as if it is your god), that's why I came to that conclusion.

The Quran MENTIONS the Bible. But the Bible NEVER mentions the Quran.

Click http://crossexamined.org/simple-reason-quran-word-god/

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
There's STILL NO PROOF of ANY other life, on any other planet, so why are you so gleeful? Because scientists are using amazing technology to explore our universe, and have discovered many Earth-like planets potentially capable of sustaining life?

You don't find that the least bit in intriguing?

But yeah, kinda sad that you would close your mind to the possibility of life outside our solar system when folks are making discoveries like this.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
Well, you guys talk more about SCIENCE than you do anything else (almost as if it is your god), that's why I came to that conclusion. Darling, science isn't an entity. It's a process in which we employ evidence and reason to understand our universe, therefore of course when talking about the nature of the universe, we talk about science.

If it's not the word of God, why has it got scientific truths in it then.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
So admitting that the Universe and life within it is so improbable there are much better conceptions of the universe than the ceramic Creator model of the universe as indicated in the Bible. Universe as "drama" or "organism" is much more interesting because it fits better with new information. We were no more "created" than a plant is "created" when a seed is planted into the soil and watered. To say we are "grown" or "developed" makes more sense.

The unwarranted jump that religious fundamentalists make is saying, "Oh, well the Universe is just so well ordered and amazing, it must be the Bible and Jesus because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy!" Well, people within all other religions (and even no religion) around the world feel warm and fuzzy too, so that is proof that there is something deeper at work. You and me both know we all come from the black goo bro.

@JesusLovesYou was Jesus an engineer?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1228/1228-h/1228-h.htm

Give it a read.

Your link doesn't work.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Darling, science isn't an entity. It's a process in which we employ evidence and reason to understand our universe, therefore of course when talking about the nature of the universe, we talk about science.

If it's not the word of God, why has it got scientific truths in it then.

I know that science is not an entity.

However, science does NOT contradict the Bible. Science and the Bible have NEVER been mutually exclusive. Let that sink in.

If it were not for God's LOGICAL LAWS, science would NOT even be POSSIBLE. Let that sink in.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
The constants that make life POSSIBLE in this universe are over many, so your arithmetic is incorrect.

This is just 15: http://www.inplainsite.org/html/anthropic_principles.html

https://media.tenor.com/images/a4697e6b37c784b8c12f2cc7db9ad6e1/tenor.gif

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
The Quran MENTIONS the Bible. But the Bible NEVER mentions the Quran.

Are you ****ing retarded? Seriously, are you a retard? You know the Quran was written after the Bible, right? So the Bible could not reference the Quran, because it was not written yet.

Then it also cannot serve as evidence for an unbeliever, which makes it useless for apologetics.

This also begs the question of how one could possibly convert to Christianity, if the evidence for Christianity does not become evidence until after he has converted.

Nice circular reasoning.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Are you ****ing retarded? Seriously, are you a retard? You know the Quran was written after the Bible, right? So the Bible could not reference the Quran, because it was not written yet.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Then it also cannot serve as evidence for an unbeliever, which makes it useless for apologetics.

This also begs the question of how one could possibly convert to Christianity, if the evidence for Christianity does not become evidence until after he has converted.

Nice circular reasoning.

The logic of Christianity...

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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Lol, the proof is overwhelming from multiple disciplines and Darwin's original understanding has continued to be confirmed the more that is discovered. And in fact, no evidence has been revealed that contradicts it. Believe it or not, the Bible's account of creation has not held up to scrutiny and even in court it collapsed without sufficient evidence. Why you deny this I don't know. It's simple fact.



Lol, so why doesn't he? He is either impotent or evil. So why call him God?

Why doesn't He? Are you serious? The ANSWER is in the same paragraph.

Why call Him God? God is God whether we CALL Him God or not.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
That is why it's faith, because there is no proof. It's belief without evidence. Isn't that what makes Christianity what it is... after all, if there was proof then you wouldn't be so pious for believing it now would you? Faith, according to you, is a virtue.



Of course I feel otherwise.

No, that's NOT why it is called faith.

Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.

Did you get that? FAITH is the EVIDENCE.

But Faith is ONLY the evidence of things that exist in the SPIRIT; things that cannot be PERCEIVED THROUGH THE FIVE SENSES (unless God permits someone too see or perceive spiritual things)

You are right. Faith is also a virtue.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes that's what I'm saying my dude. In such a vast galaxy with the scientific laws we have, the fact that life exists on earth is a weak teleological argument relative to pointing out the ordering and fine-tuning of scientific law itself.

The fact that life exists on earth is as STRONG an argument, as the fine-tuning of the universe--because life on Earth cannot exist without it. But the fine-tuning in turn exists for the sake of life, so they go hand-in-hand.

Whoever came up with the name for the Dead sea simply didn't posses the means / technology to discover the microbial life in it. Now, there are billions of stars with who knows how many planets light years away. Humans never really made it past the moon (other than space probes). Right now there's no proof that life exists on other planets, but it's not like we looked all that far. So it's impossible to answer the question with absolute certainty. The odds of life existing on other planets are pretty good though considering the vastness of space and the number of planets that are similar to earth.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
No, that's NOT why it is called faith.

Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.

Did you get that? FAITH is the EVIDENCE.

You realize that faith isn't actual evidence, though, right?


Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
But Faith is ONLY the evidence of things that exist in the SPIRIT; things that cannot be PERCEIVED THROUGH THE FIVE SENSES (unless God permits someone too see or perceive spiritual things)

So actually what that means is that you can make up whatever shit you want and because you believe in it, it's true. Which is essentially what the writers of the Bible did. That's a big problem philosophically, and if you can't see that you're actually quite spiritually corrupted.

Originally posted by SamZED
Whoever came up with the name for the Dead sea simply didn't posses the means / technology to discover the microbial life in it. Now, there are billions of stars with who knows how many planets light years away. Humans never really made it past the moon (other than space probes). Right now there's no proof that life exists on other planets, but it's not like we looked all that far. So it's impossible to answer the question with absolute certainty. The odds of life existing on other planets are pretty good though considering the vastness of space and the number of planets that are similar to earth.

But...that's a PRESUMPTION. There's NO reason to believe that life exists on any other planet.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It was written by the greatest heathen of all, Charlie Darwin.

Well, ACTUALLY, Darwin went to Christ's College at Cambridge University to become an ANGLICAN PARSON (i.e. CLERGYMAN) under the Church of England.

Click http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t643480.html

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
Well, ACTUALLY, Darwin went to Christ's College at Cambridge University to become an ANGLICAN PARSON (i.e. CLERGYMAN) under the Church of England.

Lol.. what is your point? That doesn't change the fact that his observations and predictions continue to be confirmed to this day.

Loving the new profile pic Patient Leech

Davy Jones is BAMF

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Loving the new profile pic Patient Leech

Davy Jones is BAMF

Thanks. Yeah, Davy Jones is a beast. Bill Nighy is awesome.

Originally posted by JesusLovesYou
There are things that exist in the spirit (e.g. God, Heaven, angels, the devil, demons, Hell, etc.)

Yeah, if you could stop spreading ridiculous bullshit like this, that'd be great. Children don't know any better and will believe you... and then the bullshit continues.

This is what really really bugs me about Christians because in the end this is not even about faith it is about ego. Yet the meek are supposed to inherit the Earth, correct?

An all powerful God could easily whip up a universe where lifeforms have the potential to grow and evolve into intelligent beings. An all powerful God could include many many Earth like planets throughout the universe. Don't even make the mistake of assuming all intelligent life would require an Earth like planet to evolve on either.

So it's not about God, but ego, and why? Because they are no longer special, no longer the center of the universe. Most would probably prefer science proves God isn't real over science finding life on other planets. Since it would mean if God IS real then, like I said, they just aren't that special and he probably doesn't give a f*ck about any individual species. So I feel they'd rather he not exist then feel he exists and they just aren't important to him.

The quote from Constantine of "God's a kid with an ant farm lady" applies. If you had an ant farm, would you give a shit if a couple of the ants wiped each other out? Hell, would you even notice?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Talking to me like that is height of foolishness. What proof do you have that I am not Jesus himself?

I have faith you are Jesus, and faith is proof according to him. What is he going to do now?

Lol wow, that's a lot of nonsense, but I have to give you props for saying this statement:

"I have researched all that I have researched, studied all that I have studied, compiled all that I have compiled, and written all that I have written, to help you all COME TO A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH."

And then immediately following it up with, what I assume, was a serious question in "what does ego have to do with it?".

Good show chap. I have to say, if you're trolling you are doing an excellent impression of a Christian.

I would explain to you that the ant farm quote wasn't saying he was literally a child but...would it even make a difference at this point?

Call God an adult with an ant farm. Point is, if you had an ant farm would you notice if a few of the ants kill each other or get sick? If you somehow did notice, would you care?

If for some reason you really really love ants then just swap out ants for some bugs you don't like and pretend they sell them in farms too.

EDIT: Though speaking of ego, I have definitely met Christians who have said non-Christians will go to hell no matter how good they are. Are you going to tell me there isn't some ego to the thought a person is going to burn for all eternity because they don't worship your deity? It also completely kills the "God is compassionate and forgiving" narrative.