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Thragg. I'd give him the edge in pretty much all stats, which, considering Mongul's lack of versatility, is really all he needs.

Interesting!
Thought a guy who's had Superman on the ropes'd be a good fight for a Superman clone.
Thanks, MM...

Mongul

Thragg. Not only is he stronger, faster, and more durable, he also won't waste time monologuing like and idiot.

not familiar with thragg at all but he must be hella powerful if everyone agrees that he'd beat mongul without much trouble.

Thinking the same.
Mongul regularly takes it to Supes after all.
This is good info though, if i ever use Thragg again!

Peak Mongul

Holy heck, when did Mongul start decapitating people? I knew he was tough - personally think he could give Thragg an excellent scrap - but when did he start getting depicted ripping people's heads clean off? Very Kirkman-like.

Its what gave me the idea for the fight.

Thragg >>> Invincible+Omni-Man >> Omni-Man = Supreme.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thragg >>> Invincible+Omni-Man >> Omni-Man = Supreme.

Kirkman's Supreme is pretty weak sauce... I just don't feel he is Liefield or Moore Supreme. I know it's supposed to be, sort of... b-but.. I'm not feeling it Galan.

The guys in the Invincible Universe seem, sort of squishy.

^ Kirkman didn't write Supreme's most recent series -- Larsen did.

Regardless, 'mean' Supreme(the version Nolan stalemated) IS Liefeld/Moore Supreme -- they're literally the exact same being. Furthermore, in that very same series, mean Supreme was stated to be THE most powerful version of the character, and proved it by effortlessly stomping a group of villains that not even the combined Supreme Family could contend with beforehand. Then there's his battle with Khromium, which resulted in mean Supreme destroying an entire planet, etc.

*I'd also throw in mean Supreme's casual stompage of Suprema, who has lifted universe-weight, but that's neither here nor there.


That said, it was a fantastic feat for Nolan more than anything, but it IS also canon(as confirmed by Kirkman himself), so it needs to be considered on some level when discussing the Viltrumites. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Kirkman didn't write Supreme's most recent series -- Larsen did.

Regardless, 'mean' Supreme(the version Nolan stalemated) IS Liefeld/Moore Supreme -- they're literally the exact same being. Furthermore, in that very same series, mean Supreme was stated to be THE most powerful version of the character, and proved it by effortlessly stomping a group of villains that not even the combined Supreme Family could contend with beforehand. Then there's his battle with Khromium, which resulted in mean Supreme destroying an entire planet, etc.

*I'd also throw in mean Supreme's casual stompage of Suprema, who has lifted universe-weight, but that's neither here nor there.


That said, it was a fantastic feat for Nolan more than anything, but it IS also canon(as confirmed by Kirkman himself), so it needs to be considered on some level when discussing the Viltrumites. /shrug Interesting, I haven't read Larsen's supreme, however, nothing in Invincible strikes me on a par with the stuff both Liefield and Moore's Supremes pulled and the Moore and Liefield Supremes being the same? One is a semi-psychotic stone killer with a super soldier origin and the other isn't. I'm not saying you're wrong, just how does that work?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Kirkman didn't write Supreme's most recent series -- Larsen did.

Regardless, 'mean' Supreme(the version Nolan stalemated) IS Liefeld/Moore Supreme -- they're literally the exact same being. Furthermore, in that very same series, mean Supreme was stated to be THE most powerful version of the character, and proved it by effortlessly stomping a group of villains that not even the combined Supreme Family could contend with beforehand. Then there's his battle with Khromium, which resulted in mean Supreme destroying an entire planet, etc.

*I'd also throw in mean Supreme's casual stompage of Suprema, who has lifted universe-weight, but that's neither here nor there.


That said, it was a fantastic feat for Nolan more than anything, but it IS also canon(as confirmed by Kirkman himself), so it needs to be considered on some level when discussing the Viltrumites. /shrug




But also, it's so far above the Viltrumites average showing, that it's ridiculous.

It's like Byrne Superman stalemating Pre-Crisis Superman.

That's the hard thing about the showing... Characters like Nolan and Grayson so rarely fight any beings outside the Invincible Universe that it is incredibly hard to say what their 'average' is vs. a bonafide Superman analogue, like Supreme. Fighting another Viltrumite obviously is not the same -- but either way, it IS a gargantuan showing for Nolan. Totally agree there.

Having said that, do I think Nolan vs. Supreme should be the end-all-be-all gauge/showing? Of course not(my initial post was facetious if that wasn't already clear.) I just think it does need to be considered on *some* level when the topic of categorizing high-end Viltrumites comes up, simply because it IS canon.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's the hard thing about the showing... Characters like Nolan and Grayson so rarely fight any beings outside the Invincible Universe that it is incredibly hard to say what their 'average' is vs. a bonafide Superman analogue, like Supreme. Fighting another Viltrumite obviously is not the same.

Having said that, do I think Nolan vs. Supreme should be the end-all-be-all gauge/showing? Of course not(my initial post was facetious if that wasn't already clear.) I just think it does need to be considered on *some* level when the topic of categorizing high-end Viltrumites comes up, simply because it IS canon.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Interesting, I haven't read Larsen's supreme, however, nothing in Invincible strikes me on a par with the stuff both Liefield and Moore's Supremes pulled and the Moore and Liefield Supremes being the same? One is a semi-psychotic stone killer with a super soldier origin and the other isn't. I'm not saying you're wrong, just how does that work?

Sorry, I just recognized my error.

'Mean' Supreme from Larsen's run IS the psychotic version from Liefeld's original run. THEY are the same.

Moore's Supreme is another version entirely(there were quite a few different Supremes toward the end of the series.) But as I said: it was outright shown/stated that mean Supreme is the most powerful version of the character, period.

^^^Confusing.

Good reading, though, thanks Galan.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sorry, I just recognized my error.

'Mean' Supreme from Larsen's run IS the psychotic version from Liefeld's original run. THEY are the same.

Moore's Supreme is another version entirely(there were quite a few different Supremes toward the end of the series.) But as I said: it was outright shown/stated that mean Supreme is the most powerful version of the character, period. There were some different versions in Moore's also, but it's more than a decade since I looked at it. Probably nearly two. My comic trivia is not what it was. I will check out Larsen's. I think though the feats of Moore's would take some topping he was Golden Age Supes on steroids.

Now THAT is how feats and suchlike are supposed to be discussed on boards like this, two people who clearly know what they are talking about having a polite disagreement or two and swapping info, while the rest of us onlookers get to learn a bit in the process.
Nor spiteful tirades of vitriol where the nukes got launched over something ludicrously trivial, like mislabelling a character 'pre' instead of 'post' -crisis, or whatever.
Well done, fellas.

^^^This is a keeper, yeah.

I dig the entire Invincible lineup and have no problem admitting that Thragg is a very powerful character. The problem Im having, and have had for a while (when they pop up in the forums), is that most of the characters from Invinsible, tend to burst, rupture, break, get decapitated, maimed, amputated, etc., very, very often. They suffer much more damage than Marvel or DC counterparts, but do not show any more power than the Marvel/DC equals.

Its hard to get around it. Its like they are a bunch of super-powered jellyfish. Last time I was contaminating this forum, i seem to remember this issue being brought up in similar match-ups.

Ya don't see Thor, Superman or Hulk bursting like bloodblisters every time they get punched by an enemy of equal, or even superior power.

Mind you, i prefer the carnage and desperation of the Invincible books, to b honest. But, due to canon attacks and durability showings, being the foundations of thesr debates, it doesnt work very well in thier favor.

Just my opinion.

^^^i mostly share that opinion.
Its why i found it surprising how many responses implied Mongul would basically be eviscerated.
Its like the Invincible-verse's characters' tendency to rupture eachother was being superimposed on a character thats never shown sign of being that, i dont want to say fragile, but...prone to damage.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I dig the entire Invincible lineup and have no problem admitting that Thragg is a very powerful character. The problem Im having, and have had for a while (when they pop up in the forums), is that most of the characters from Invinsible, tend to burst, rupture, break, get decapitated, maimed, amputated, etc., very, very often. They suffer much more damage than Marvel or DC counterparts, but do not show any more power than the Marvel/DC equals.

Its hard to get around it. Its like they are a bunch of super-powered jellyfish. Last time I was contaminating this forum, i seem to remember this issue being brought up in similar match-ups.

Ya don't see Thor, Superman or Hulk bursting like bloodblisters every time they get punched by an enemy of equal, or even superior power.

Mind you, i prefer the carnage and desperation of the Invincible books, to b honest. But, due to canon attacks and durability showings, being the foundations of thesr debates, it doesnt work very well in thier favor.

Just my opinion.

Good opinion as well.

It's perfectly true that the Invincibleverse's population don't seem to go a day without getting at least one limb lopped off in a particularly gruesome way.

The art is incredible though , and once you get used to all the arterial spray and gobbets of flesh then that level of carnage starts to make a strange sort of internal sense within its own fictional universe. I want to say that horrendous ultra-violence is 'normal' there, but I don't want to sound like a serial killer!

But you're right, even though Hulk might spend a huge amount of time beating the shit out of other characters with his giant fists, you don't see them reduced to bleeding stains with their brains hanging out of their eye sockets - which, let's face it, would be a normal day at the office in the Thragg household!

So it is very very hard to make comparisons at all.

And I think 'super-powered jellyfish', if it isn't already an actual thing, needs to become one asap!

edit.

Originally posted by wuleecat
Good opinion as well.

It's perfectly true that the Invincibleverse's population don't seem to go a day without getting at least one limb lopped off in a particularly gruesome way.

The art is incredible though , and once you get used to all the arterial spray and gobbets of flesh then that level of carnage starts to make a strange sort of internal sense within its own fictional universe. I want to say that horrendous ultra-violence is 'normal' there, but I don't want to sound like a serial killer!

But you're right, even though Hulk might spend a huge amount of time beating the shit out of other characters with his giant fists, you don't see them reduced to bleeding stains with their brains hanging out of their eye sockets - which, let's face it, would be a normal day at the office in the Thragg household!

So it is very very hard to make comparisons at all.

And I think 'super-powered jellyfish', if it isn't already an actual thing, needs to become one asap!
Good post.
It IS hard to compare such disparate universe, but fun mostly.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I dig the entire Invincible lineup and have no problem admitting that Thragg is a very powerful character. The problem Im having, and have had for a while (when they pop up in the forums), is that most of the characters from Invinsible, tend to burst, rupture, break, get decapitated, maimed, amputated, etc., very, very often. They suffer much more damage than Marvel or DC counterparts, but do not show any more power than the Marvel/DC equals.

Its hard to get around it. Its like they are a bunch of super-powered jellyfish. Last time I was contaminating this forum, i seem to remember this issue being brought up in similar match-ups.

Ya don't see Thor, Superman or Hulk bursting like bloodblisters every time they get punched by an enemy of equal, or even superior power.

Mind you, i prefer the carnage and desperation of the Invincible books, to b honest. But, due to canon attacks and durability showings, being the foundations of thesr debates, it doesnt work very well in thier favor.

Just my opinion. Thing is: not all Viltrumites are created equal:
http://i.imgur.com/kWyfTml.jpg

With that in mind, Thragg doesn't "pop like a bloodblister" when struck by Superman-tier beings. For example, a full-on rage melee from Invincible only succeeded in giving Thragg a slight bloody nose... And he wasn't even defending himself:
http://i.imgur.com/jEXAeS7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wJlmOav.jpg

Same result from Omni-Man:
http://i.imgur.com/pAESWSr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rV9MNMg.jpg

Moreover, Thragg was completely unfazed by the detonation of Viltrum. Granted most of the noteworthy Viltrumites survived the explosion as well, but Thragg was the only one who tanked it outright:
http://i.imgur.com/WEUB27m.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XQIoMZv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BtYX1P2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KEcEddE.jpg


On another note... To my knowledge, the only things that have dealt noteworthy damage to Thragg are the Ragnars, which were specifically bred to kill Viltrumites, and stated to be "indestructible" by Nolan himself:
http://i.imgur.com/rdrHg5X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/n8IsLPg.jpg

As of the most recent issue of Invincible, however, Thragg keeps two of them as PETS, lol:
http://i.imgur.com/Gr3oUfy.jpg

Battle Beast also dealt Thragg damage during their fight(obviously), but that literally made no sense at all in accordance with BB's history -- especially given that Thragg had one-shotted him earlier in the series, lol. Kirkman has a tendency to wank characters that are about to die(he's said as much in the letters section.) /shrug

Regardless, don't let the gore-tastic nature of Invincible fool you -- Thragg is still ridiculously durable. However, as we saw in his fight with BB: even IF Thragg does sustain a grotesque injury, it has NO discernible effect on his battle performance -- he can still fight at full capacity for DAYS on end.

Wait is...is Thragg doing some kind of heil hitler salute as he jabs his hand through Omni-Man?

Also Mongul looks like Lex Luthor wearing a Mongul mask.

And thats hella impressive (as was the whole post), but i have to think a character who gives Superman a hard time, and has done so convincingly throughout his existence, is still a good match up.

The reason Invincible-verse characters seem so fragile is that it's Kirkman. He simply loves blood and gore. The carnage the Invincible characters do to each other is no different than in Walking Dead. Only difference is power scale.

Also, DC/Marvel simply aren't as violent as they are massive companies targeted at adults and children alike. Kirkman makes his own stuff, so he can do whatever he wants without fear of corporate censorship. Even Marvel MAX is nowhere near as violent as a tame fight in Invincible.

Thragg has been damaged again and again. He has even been disembowled. And, yes, he has fought on.

But, there is no way to quantify the threat posed by the Ragnar. The hype given to them, is no more than the hype that the Mindless Ones used to get in the Marvel universe. And look where they r now.

The problem still remains that he, by comic book standards, is easily damaged by heavy hitters. And this level of damage is not seen as casually in marvel or dc.

And, even though Thragg fought on while disembowled, the fact that he can be damaged so easily, opens the door for scenarios like "dismemberment". Thragg can not continue fighting if he loses too many limbs.

So, we know that the Invincible universe is going to depict it's characters as being far easier to damage than in marvel or dc. Which, in my opinion, is a "plus" and adds to the stories.

But, on paper, in a debate, this will ALWAYS work against them, when going up against a marve/dc heavy hitter. Because, the fact is that we can show far more instances of Thor/Supes going up against enemies equal to, or far above Thragg in power, without sustaining damage anywhere near the damage Thragg and others sustain on a regular basis in the Invincible universe.

So, really, what r we supposed to do, ignore the durability aspect? Because thats the only way Thragg and the rest r going to get an equal chance in these debates.

Personally, Id b fine if they were kept separate, the way Dragon Ball characters are. And I hope the Invibcible stories and character aspects never change.

Wow, it's obvious that you are just going to ignore every shred of evidence I post to the contrary, and fill the gaps with your own preconceived notions. srsly

Fact is: Thragg can, and has, soaked attacks from 'heavy hitters' just fine. He's also endured a planetary explosion just fine. In fact, here is yet another instance of Thragg tanking a full-on rage punch from Invincible, without so much as a scratch to show for it:
https://s21.postimg.org/rakdzd61z/3_1.jpg
https://s21.postimg.org/7g3eacx5z/3_2.jpg
As I thoroughly explained above: the only instances where Thragg HAS been significantly injured were very, very situational/circumstantial... But hey, apparently his durability is shit cuz *you* said so.

I also think it's funny that you're now trying to downplay the Ragnars like they're fodder, simply because Thragg was able to 'dual wield' them in the most recent issue. They are still extremely powerful/credible threats that make the likes of Omni-Man shit his pants in fear, and give even Thragg himself pause... If anything, Thragg restraining them on his own is a very uber feat for him -- certainly not a poor showing for the Ragnars. none

More evidence that high-end Viltrumites do not "pop like bloodblisters" against your more mainstream 'heavy hitters'(ie. Superman analogues)..? Omni-Man vs. Supreme:
https://s24.postimg.org/x61bs8kpx/001.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/9ud8356g5/002.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/ccyx3ts6d/003.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/3kmjtvwf9/004.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/6h9ku6291/005.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/lm13dy12d/006.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/sy6jjhjad/007.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/jwwljmaqt/008.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/v2vhybaat/009.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/uz1oi24th/010.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/w2lsu0pgl/011.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/5it7rvox1/012.jpg
https://s15.postimg.org/c2dkry9rv/013.jpg
...Though I'm sure you'll just downplay/ignore that as well(despite its canonicity), so I'm not sure why I even wasted my time posting it. ermm

Thragg got popped like jelly against five vilturmites though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thragg got popped like jelly against five vilturmites though. five viltrumites that were all more or less on the level of omni-man that weren't holding back while he was trying to talk to them.

While i see what Galan is somewhat heatedly getting at, i tend to think in a fight like this its a matter of Thragg rising to a level rather than Mongul dropping down.

Probably not phrasing that quite right, need coffee.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wow, it's obvious that you are just going to ignore every shred of evidence I post to the contrary, and fill the gaps with your own preconceived notions. srsly

Fact is: Thragg can, and has, soaked attacks from 'heavy hitters' just fine. He's also endured a planetary explosion just fine. In fact, here is yet another instance of Thragg tanking a full-on rage punch from Invincible, without so much as a scratch to show for it:
https://s21.postimg.org/rakdzd61z/3_1.jpg
https://s21.postimg.org/7g3eacx5z/3_2.jpg
As I thoroughly explained above: the only instances where Thragg HAS been significantly injured were very, very situational/circumstantial... But hey, apparently his durability is shit cuz *you* said so.

I also think it's funny that you're now trying to downplay the Ragnars like they're fodder, simply because Thragg was able to 'dual wield' them in the most recent issue. They are still extremely powerful/credible threats that make the likes of Omni-Man shit his pants in fear, and give even Thragg himself pause... If anything, Thragg restraining them on his own is a very uber feat for him -- certainly not a poor showing for the Ragnars. none

More evidence that high-end Viltrumites do not "pop like bloodblisters" against your more mainstream 'heavy hitters'(ie. Superman analogues)..? Omni-Man vs. Supreme:
https://s24.postimg.org/x61bs8kpx/001.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/9ud8356g5/002.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/ccyx3ts6d/003.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/3kmjtvwf9/004.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/6h9ku6291/005.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/lm13dy12d/006.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/sy6jjhjad/007.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/jwwljmaqt/008.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/v2vhybaat/009.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/uz1oi24th/010.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/w2lsu0pgl/011.jpg
https://s24.postimg.org/5it7rvox1/012.jpg
https://s15.postimg.org/c2dkry9rv/013.jpg
...Though I'm sure you'll just downplay/ignore that as well(despite its canonicity), so I'm not sure why I even wasted my time posting it. ermm

I'm not ignoring anything. Im simply not as impressed by your opinion as u would like. But, your posts r appreciated.

I read the same books, over and over. Im a fan, as i have said. Im not downplaying the Ragnars or any of the characters. Im simply doing the math. There is a much greater rate of damage in the Invincible universe, than in the others.

Take the number of appearances Thragg has made, the number of times he has battled opponents who r weaker than he is, (basically all of them), and then the number of times he has been bloodied. You can even factor in times where he was NOT bloodied in damaging situations.

Do the same for Supes, Thor, or any number of similar characters and Thragg will b on the losing end of the slide rule, for the majority.

They have had too many appearances and battles with too many heavy hitters, with too LITTLE damage, for Thragg to b the instant trump card" u want him to b.

Its simply "numbers". Unless u r able to prove that the enemies and attacks that caused damage to Thragg, or characters he has fought, r more powerful than those faced by Thor, Gladiator, Supes, etc., in all of thier battles, backing Thragg is going to b difficult. For now.

Too much would need to b attributed to Invincible universe characters and feats, without proper comparison to marvel/dc characters and feats. Its too much of a leap of faith.

For me, anyway. Its just my opinion.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm not ignoring anything. Yes, that's exactly what you're doing.

You initially stated Thragg and the high-end Viltrumites have a tendency to "pop like bloodblisters" against heavy hitters. I showed you a plethora of evidence to the contrary -- literally posted multiple instances of Thragg, and other high-end Viltrumites, tanking attacks from heavy hitters(and even planetary explosions) just fine. You completely ignored said evidence, and moreover, actually tried to baselessly downplay some of it.

I can see now this 'debate' will go nowhere. You have your mind made up on Thragg's durability, and no amount of evidence I post will change it. No offense, but there's just no reason to continue wasting my time.

Originally posted by deathslash
five viltrumites that were all more or less on the level of omni-man that weren't holding back while he was trying to talk to them. Exactly. Thragg wasn't even trying to defend himself there, and all of those Viltrumites were roughly on par with Omni-Man/Invincible.

Unfortunately, context doesn't seem to matter a whole lot here... ermm

Originally posted by Galan007


Exactly. Thragg wasn't even trying to defend himself there, and all of those Viltrumites were roughly on par with Omni-Man/Invincible.

Unfortunately, context doesn't seem to matter a whole lot here... ermm Keep in mind, this is Abhi. He feels that the manhood of Superman is threatened every time that there's a super strong alien that can beat up planet busters.

Originally posted by deathslash
five viltrumites that were all more or less on the level of omni-man that weren't holding back while he was trying to talk to them. Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, that's exactly what you're doing.

You initially stated Thragg and the high-end Viltrumites have a tendency to "pop like bloodblisters" against heavy hitters. I showed you a plethora of evidence to the contrary -- literally posted multiple instances of Thragg, and other high-end Viltrumites, tanking attacks from heavy hitters(and even planetary explosions) just fine. You completely ignored said evidence, and moreover, actually tried to baselessly downplay some of it.

I can see now this 'debate' will go nowhere. You have your mind made up on Thragg's durability, and no amount of evidence I post will change it. No offense, but there's just no reason to continue wasting my time.

Exactly. Thragg wasn't even trying to defend himself there, and all of those Viltrumites were roughly on par with Omni-Man/Invincible.

Unfortunately, context doesn't seem to matter a whole lot here... ermm Originally posted by deathslash
Keep in mind, this is Abhi. He feels that the manhood of Superman is threatened every time that there's a super strong alien that can beat up planet busters.
ermm

I'm not sure where this came from but all I said was four Vilturmites beat the shit out of him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xs6AIpHX5io/U0i3bzb0tpI/AAAAAAACV_o/QTZOAM3Hr8U/s1600/p102_12.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sBosKsfVX5M/U0i3cOlZXJI/AAAAAAACV_s/uQ1JMTs3hlk/s1600/p102_13.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XOnDKD_sxJs/U0i3ct6y5CI/AAAAAAACV_4/Po6-Vgc3jgU/s1600/p102_14.jpg

Lulz @ him trying to talk to them though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not sure where this came from but all I said was four Vilturmites beat the shit out of him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xs6AIpHX5io/U0i3bzb0tpI/AAAAAAACV_o/QTZOAM3Hr8U/s1600/p102_12.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sBosKsfVX5M/U0i3cOlZXJI/AAAAAAACV_s/uQ1JMTs3hlk/s1600/p102_13.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XOnDKD_sxJs/U0i3ct6y5CI/AAAAAAACV_4/Po6-Vgc3jgU/s1600/p102_14.jpg

Lulz @ him trying to talk to them though. But how is Thragg getting dogpiled and bloodied by FIVE high-end Viltrumites(each of whom was on par with Invincible, and some were even stronger) any sort of low showing against his durability-- especially when he didn't even try to defend himself..?

I mean, would you call this a poor showing for Doomsday?:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35281561_Action_Comics_871-017.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35281565_Action_Comics_871-018.jpg


Either way, in the scene immediately preceding the segment you posted, Thragg once again soaked a full-on rage melee from Omni-Man, and only sustained a *slight* bloody nose:
https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281474_Invincible_102-003.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281475_Invincible_102-004.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281477_Invincible_102-005.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281478_Invincible_102-006.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281479_Invincible_102-009.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281480_Invincible_102-010.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281481_Invincible_102-011.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35281483_Invincible_102-012.jpg


It's mind-boggling to me that anyone would seriously try to argue that his durability isn't quite uber, *all* things considered... Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say he's got the best durability in comics -- but he obviously IS durable enough to soak/tank attacks from heavy hitters without "popping like a bloodblister/jellyfish", lol.

Where did I say that it is a low showing? He didn't try to defend himself because he got his shit kicked in within two panels.

There were at least two dozen kryptoninans there. But if you really want to compare Thragg vs someone like Superman, try these.


http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905877_02.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905878_03.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905879_04.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905880_05.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905881_06.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905882_07.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905883_08.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905884_09.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26905885_10.jpg

Five kryptonians at once.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/WarOfTheSupermen04a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/WarOfTheSupermen04b.jpg

Three of the best kryptonians at once.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen00a-1.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen00b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen00c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen00d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen00e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen00f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen00g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01g.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/warofthesupermen01h.jpg

And there were only four Vilturmites, not five.

Even if you do completely discount Thragg's durability, he still has a massive speed advantage, and will go for the kill immediately, unlike Superman and the like.

Oh definitely. Thragg wins here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where did I say that it is a low showing?

When you randomly pop-in just to say something like this:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thragg got popped like jelly against five vilturmites though. ...Your intentions seem quite clear. Apologies if I misinterpreted them, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There were at least two dozen kryptoninans there. Only a handful of Kryptonians(6 tops) were bludgeoning DD at any given time, though. In fact, when the panels actually zoom-into the action, the same Kryptonians are shown beating him to death each time *see the first scan I posted*... But again, that's neither here nor there, and really doesn't matter at all here. Only point is that FIVE high-end beings bloodying Thragg =/= a poor durability showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But if you really want to compare Thragg vs someone like Superman, try these. Lol, no one has even mentioned Superman until now. No need to get hyper-defensive for no reason... I specifically said that I am NOT saying Thragg is the most durable character in comics... Just that he CAN and HAS soaked attacks from heavy hitters WITHOUT "popping like a jellyfish".

Originally posted by abhilegend
And there were only four Vilturmites, not five. Omni-Man + Anissa + Kregg + Thula + the black Viltrumite(don't recall his name off-hand).

I'm no mathologist, but that looks like five to me... mmm

Originally posted by Galan007


When you randomly pop-in just to say something like this:
...Your intentions are quite clear.


This is just hilarious.

Just because a few are shown at one time doesn't means they were the only ones to beat him.

And they beat him on a lot longer than Thragg endured.




You wouldn't see anything like that from DC or marvel though.

All four were weaker than him and still shitstomped him like nothing within two panels.

That just never happens in DC/Marvel.

ermm

Only four beat him up. After all Nolan only gave him a bloody nose.

Your excuses are hilarious though.

Thragg.

This discussion is going nowhere though - both Mongul and Thragg would get beaten by almost half a dozen kryptonians/viltrumites, so whatevs.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is just hilarious. So you weren't trying to downplay his durability with that random comment, eh? Interesting...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just because a few are shown at one time doesn't means they were the only ones to beat him. When we don't see any others throw a single punch, it most certainly DOES mean such... But again: neither here nor there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You wouldn't see anything like that from DC or marvel though.

All four were weaker than him and still shitstomped him like nothing within two panels.

That just never happens in DC/Marvel. Are you seriously trying to tell me that NO ONE in Marvel or DC has EVER been beaten by weaker characters? Legit lol'ing right now if you're serious...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your excuses are hilarious though. Yes, abhi. I'M the one making excuses here... It's not like your post was one giant excuse or anything, lol.

I have consistently posted scans to back-up EVERYTHING I have said regarding Thragg. Maybe you should focus your 'efforts' on the OTHER people posting here, who are baselessly speaking from their ass-ends, and ignoring on panel evidence..?

Originally posted by Phil
Thragg.

This discussion is going nowhere though - both Mongul and Thragg would get beaten by almost half a dozen kryptonians/viltrumites, so whatevs. Wrong, Phil.

This NEVER happens in Marvel/DC... I just learned that from abhi, so don't feel bad for not knowing.

Of course you dont remember the black Viltrumites name reported

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh definitely. Thragg wins here.

Exactly.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Of course you dont remember the black Viltrumites name reported

Walked right into that one.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Of course you dont remember the black Viltrumites name reported Now that you mention it. WTF happened to the black kid that became invincible? I completely forgot about him

The dark skin is forgettable it seems we are naturally camouflaged

Originally posted by iceman24567
The dark skin is forgettable it seems we are naturally camouflaged Lol Im half black. I should know this

http://imagecomics.wikia.com/wiki/Zandale_Randolph

Lol Now I remember him. I only remember two things about him. One he replaced invincible and he killed his parents lol

Well at least hes still alive that darky Viltrumite on the other hand probably died off panel while eating a watermelon, fried chicken and purple drank right Galan?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPzLXQYb2Bn5PLG/giphy.gif

Originally posted by deathslash
Keep in mind, this is Abhi. He feels that the manhood of Superman is threatened every time that there's a super strong alien that can beat up planet busters.
True, but it just provided is some promo scan bombing.

Originally posted by wuleecat
Now THAT is how feats and suchlike are supposed to be discussed on boards like this, two people who clearly know what they are talking about having a polite disagreement or two and swapping info, while the rest of us onlookers get to learn a bit in the process.
Nor spiteful tirades of vitriol where the nukes got launched over something ludicrously trivial, like mislabelling a character 'pre' instead of 'post' -crisis, or whatever.
Well done, fellas.

This sounds like me.

Originally posted by carver9
This sounds like me.
Thanks Carver, I needed that.

Originally posted by Galan007
So you weren't trying to downplay his durability with that random comment, eh? Interesting...

When we don't see any others throw a single punch, it most certainly DOES mean such... But again: neither here nor there.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that NO ONE in Marvel or DC has EVER been beaten by weaker characters? Legit lol'ing right now if you're serious...

Yes, abhi. I'M the one making excuses here... It's not like your post was one giant excuse or anything, lol.

I have consistently posted scans to back-up EVERYTHING I have said regarding Thragg. Maybe you should focus your 'efforts' on the OTHER people posting here, who are baselessly speaking from their ass-ends, and ignoring on panel evidence..?
Hey. You're a FUN guy!

It was a real pleasure.

Just keep in mind, I couldn't care less WHO wins this match. I'm not a fanboy for either character and nothing that gets decided here, will have any impact on any characters that I do support. Out of the 2 of us, my posts were more about the details and less about the fanboyism. So, to start hurling insults and getting personal is kind if silly.

Ive been a member here for a long time. I disappear for a bit, than bop right back. The one thing this allows me to notice, clearly, is that some of u guys that have been around as long as i have, or longer, seem to get whackier as time goes on.

Dude, u have an opinion. And u have some serious comic book knowledge in yer head. I get it. But, a lot of us do. Just because somebody doesnt agree with your opinion, doesnt mean u have been disrespected.

Shit! Abhi has been getting under my skin for as long as I can remember. But, what fun would this b if opponents didn't OPPOSE?

Oh I don't feel that I've been disrespected in the slightest, lol -- abhi was just pulling his shenanigans, is all, but I actually enjoy debating with him most of the time(strange as it may seem.)

Like you said: a debate forum isn't much fun without debates... No harm, no foul.

Originally posted by Galan007
So you weren't trying to downplay his durability with that random comment, eh? Interesting...


C'mon, you think I'd do that? There are plenty more to lowball if I chose so.

Seriously?

By four weaker characters within seconds? Got any examples?



ermm

Oh right, I just said Thragg got popped like a jelly against four Vilturmites.

That's just full of excuses or something. Goodness me.

As have I. Don't know why it triggered you.

Originally posted by carver9
This sounds like me. Yikes

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Yikes Perfectly describes what this thread had devolved into.

^^^I feel like a proud poppa...who watches his kid grow up to be Courtney Love.

On another note, this was kind of a tough debate for me after all. Because, man!, I really do enjoy the Invincible books, a lot.

Reading those books gives me the same feelings i used to get a long time ago, when i first stepped out from marvel/dc and started reading Elementals. The Invincible characters r great and the stories have a "heroic desperation" that so many other titles lack much of the time.

Really good stuff.

Elementals, huh? I have a couple of those books signed by Willingham. A few of his Ironwood, too.
Nothing's been taken away from the Invicibleverse here IMO. This was well debated all around.

Originally posted by riv6672
Elementals, huh? I have a couple of those books signed by Willingham. A few of his Ironwood, too.
Nothing's been taken away from the Invicibleverse here IMO. This was well debated all around. signed huh? Very nice.
Those were some very cool books. I even used Saker a couple times in here.

Cool!
Dont recall seeing him or any of those characters here.

Originally posted by KingD19
The reason Invincible-verse characters seem so fragile is that it's Kirkman. He simply loves blood and gore. The carnage the Invincible characters do to each other is no different than in Walking Dead. Only difference is power scale.

Also, DC/Marvel simply aren't as violent as they are massive companies targeted at adults and children alike. Kirkman makes his own stuff, so he can do whatever he wants without fear of corporate censorship. Even Marvel MAX is nowhere near as violent as a tame fight in Invincible.

I agree and this is what first drew me to reading Invincible way back when it first came out. The fights were more gritty, more brutal, more real.

Hopefully a movie or tv series about Invincible will eventually come out.

Originally posted by Surtur
I agree and this is what first drew me to reading Invincible way back when it first came out. The fights were more gritty, more brutal, more real.

Hopefully a movie or tv series about Invincible will eventually come out. I'm pretty sure that there's been some talks about making a movie. All those first printing issues that I have will be gold when it comes out.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm pretty sure that there's been some talks about making a movie. All those first printing issues that I have will be gold when it comes out.

That is good, and hearing that there is an Irredeemable movie in the works gives me even more hope they might start dipping into other lesser known comics for movies.

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm pretty sure that there's been some talks about making a movie. All those first printing issues that I have will be gold when it comes out.
With the success of Kirkman's Walking Dead, i'm surprised the Invincible property hasnt been been hit up by anyone/for anything.

A Brit movie, i'd watch the Hell out of.

Originally posted by Surtur
That is good, and hearing that there is an Irredeemable movie in the works gives me even more hope they might start dipping into other lesser known comics for movies.

WHAT!l?????????!? IRREDEEMABLE????!!! I think i just nutted myself

Originally posted by ghostman
WHAT!l?????????!? IRREDEEMABLE????!!! I think i just nutted myself

Yep, it was announced in 2016. I haven't heard much about it lately though, not sure what is going on with it.

Originally posted by Surtur
That is good, and hearing that there is an Irredeemable movie in the works gives me even more hope they might start dipping into other lesser known comics for movies.
Irredeemable is too layered for a movie

It would have to be 2 at least

Apparently the guy who directed Anchorman is set to direct the Irredeemable movie.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Irredeemable is too layered for a movie
Thats what they said about Watchmen.
Of course, a lot of comic fans didnt like Watchmen.