Storm vs. Mera

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carthage
Fight takes place in Florida

Who masters the elements?

carver9
Storm destroys her.

zopzop
Mera ftw.

Galan007
Even if this doesn't take place near a body of water, Mera can still control the water in one's body -- even if that being has complete molecular control, like Flash:
http://i.imgur.com/gGlFE1s.jpg


So unless Storm has no water in her body, Mera should stomp rather easily. If this battle *does* take place near a body of water, however, she obviously rapestomps. thumb up

Zack M
Mera, easily.

carver9
Or Storm flash freeze her. Also, why does this fight being close to water gives her the edge?

zopzop
Originally posted by Galan007
So unless Storm has no water in her body, Mera should stomp rather easily. If this battle *does* take place near a body of water, however, she obviously rapestomps. thumb up
She is dead either way. Storm summons a 'storm' to try and take out Mera, Mera now has ALL that water in the atmosphere to work with. There's literally no way Storm wins unless Mera acts like an idiot. Even H2H, Mera wins. She is a warrior with superhuman stats.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
Or Storm flash freeze her. Also, why does this fight being close to water vices her the edge? She's an aquakinetic. The more water around her, the more powerful she becomes.

Storm attempting to 'flash-freeze' Mera probably wouldn't be a good call. Freezing requires ice. Ice = h20 = ambient water in the atmosphere for Mera to control, like zop said.

Zack M
LOVE this new pic!

http://i67.tinypic.com/1zppg6w.jpg

Mera mega stomps!

zopzop
Originally posted by Galan007
She's an aquakinetic. The more water around her, the more powerful she becomes.

Storm attempting to 'flash-freeze' Mera probably wouldn't be a good call. Freezing requires ice. Ice = h20 = ambient water in the atmosphere for Mera to control, like zop said.
The crazy thing is, she doesn't even NEED that much water. Her water constructs held Wonder Woman AND Superman for at least a few minutes. These guys have broken through GL contructs like they were nothing yet Mera's water bubble held them (even if it was only for a few minutes).

Storm is screwed.

Originally posted by Zack M
LOVE this new pic!

http://i67.tinypic.com/1zppg6w.jpg

Mera mega stomps!
Awesome pic!

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
She's an aquakinetic. The more water around her, the more powerful she becomes.

Storm attempting to 'flash-freeze' Mera probably wouldn't be a good call. Freezing requires ice. Ice = h20 = ambient water in the atmosphere for Mera to control, like zop said.

Alright, let's play this card. For one, that attack she used against Flash didn't kill him but how would Mera handle this...

Storm scrambles her brain.

https://m.imgur.com/0FdTjIl

Shorting the synopsis in Hulk brain...

https://m.imgur.com/jfCR8vu

Create lightning powerful enough to hurt Surfer...

https://m.imgur.com/EUNZCMQ

This will probably be a "who will attack first moment". Good thing Storm has broken the sound barrier.

https://m.imgur.com/hi7QQQq

Also, lol at Mera controlling any kind of fluids in Storm body. Mera isnt surviving
anything I posted above and the difference here is, storm is a killer.

Galan007
Mera was fast enough to incapacitate a BLITZING Flash by pulling the moisture from his body.

This fight is Mera's to lose.

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
Mera was fast enough to incapacitate a BLITZING Flash with her aquakinetics. Point being: Storm certainly isn't out-reacting her.

This fight is Mera's to lose.

And admitted she wasn't close to his speed. That wasn't a speed ft. Giving get to everyone who has tagged the Flash is ridiculous.

So I'm sure you have something that counters Mera getting her brain scrambled?

zopzop
Originally posted by Galan007
Mera was fast enough to incapacitate a BLITZING Flash by pulling the moisture from his body.
WHILE she was fighting the rest of the League!

Zack M
Mera dumps the ocean on Storm.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
And admitted she wasn't close to his speed. That wasn't a speed ft. Giving get to everyone who has tagged the Flash is ridiculous.

So I'm sure you have something that counters Mera getting her brain scrambled? Again: Mera incapacitated a BLITZING Flash by pulling the moisture from his body WHILE she was actively owning the rest of the League... That proves her perception/reaction speed is FAR beyond Storm's.

This is Mera's fight to lose. smile

zopzop
I love how everyone, even most of Team Mera, is ignoring the best part of her recent showing : the strength of her water constructs.

Compare :
https://s16.postimg.org/c6am5iu35/wonder-woman-vs-green-lantern-1.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/vvrjjqc97/wonder-woman-vs-green-lantern-2.jpg

To this :
https://s17.postimg.org/4cohcfqxn/Justice_League_2016-_024-009.jpghttps://s9.postimg.org/pgsi56pwb/Justice_League_2016-_024-010.jpghttps://s18.postimg.org/dilvilcgl/Justice_League_2016-_024-011.jpghttps://s18.postimg.org/43ogzguyt/Justice_League_2016-_024-012.jpg

And incredible showing for her constructs when you consider she was also holding this up WHILE fighting the League :
https://s3.postimg.org/7qadu5zfz/Justice_League_2016-_024-006.jpg

Here's a good respect thread :
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/mera/4005-14654/forums/composite-mera-respect-thread-1769770/

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
Again: Mera incapacitated a BLITZING Flash by pulling the moisture from his body WHILE she was actively owning the rest of the League... That proves her perception/reaction speed is FAR beyond Storm's.

This is Mera's fight to lose. smile

Stop Galan. She said speed had nothing to do with it and again, she isn't controlling the moisture in Storm's body. Lol...that was a low showing for the JLA. This isn't the first time they got stomped by Aquaman enemies.

Anyways, Storm has control over the electromagnetic spectrum. She toss beings into space that was miles away from her...

https://m.imgur.com/a/chQb9

Storm has already fought someone similar and stomped him...

https://m.imgur.com/a/jV9lh

And the crazy thing is, Storm is planetary. Her abilities are planetary...

https://m.imgur.com/ZvHttzc

Mera isn't winning a ft war against Storm and one showing against the JLA isn't going to change that, especially considering they had issues with an Aquaman level character anyways...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111128955/4084190-4353963957-32412.jpg

Let me guess, this is above Storm as well.


It's like you tend to ignore everything that happened beforehand and just focus on upscaling every one who defeats the JLA. Is this above Storm as well?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/4976884-3215490493-Super.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/72524/4976885-8423704909-Super.jpg

Let me guess, he can stomp her as well because he beat Superman and Wonder Woman.

Like I said, Storm stomps this.

-Pr-
You remind me of Stormfront.

Galan007
@ zop

I doubt anyone would ignore those showings, as they are effing UBER... But if this battle doesn't take place near a body of water, manifesting said constructs may not be something that Mera could do right away.

Pulling the water out of Storm's body, however, is definitely something she could do right at the onset... And nigh-instantly, at that. thumb up

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
one showing against the JLA isn't going to change that So I should ignore a canon feat that gives Mera the OBVIOUS and clear-cut advantage here? How convenient. laughing out loud


Anywho, Storm has absolutely NO counter for getting all the moisture in her body pulled out. This is Mera's fight to lose. smile

Digi
In Carv's defense, Storm does have a few excellent quick strike feats, and that Flash feat is cheese as hell. Still, there's enough presented here that it seems obvious to pick Mera. I don't have a horse in this race, so hopefully I'm impartial.

I actually hate that Storm's mutant gene makes her a witch, essentially. It always seemed like one of the bigger stretches among the old-school X-Men. Eyebeams? Sure. Body turns to ice? Ok. I can suspend my disbelief to think that a gene mutation does those things. But a gene lets you call the weather?! Gtfo. But her feats have always intrigued me. My favorite was when she channeled solar winds from space into an absolutely devastating attack (wish I had the scans). Not that that would help her in this fight; she's just a cool character when you dig into her better feats.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by carver9
Shorting the synopsis in Hulk brain... https://vgy.me/Rn2vtm.gif

carver9
Originally posted by psycho gundam
https://vgy.me/Rn2vtm.gif

laughing out loud laughing out loud

Zack M
Originally posted by zopzop
I love how everyone, even most of Team Mera, is ignoring the best part of her recent showing : the strength of her water constructs.

Compare :
https://s16.postimg.org/c6am5iu35/wonder-woman-vs-green-lantern-1.jpg https://s17.postimg.org/vvrjjqc97/wonder-woman-vs-green-lantern-2.jpg

To this :
https://s17.postimg.org/4cohcfqxn/Justice_League_2016-_024-009.jpghttps://s9.postimg.org/pgsi56pwb/Justice_League_2016-_024-010.jpghttps://s18.postimg.org/dilvilcgl/Justice_League_2016-_024-011.jpghttps://s18.postimg.org/43ogzguyt/Justice_League_2016-_024-012.jpg

And incredible showing for her constructs when you consider she was also holding this up WHILE fighting the League :
https://s3.postimg.org/7qadu5zfz/Justice_League_2016-_024-006.jpg

Here's a good respect thread :
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/mera/4005-14654/forums/composite-mera-respect-thread-1769770/

thumb up

Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
Alright, let's play this card. For one, that attack she used against Flash didn't kill him but how would Mera handle this...

Storm scrambles her brain.

https://m.imgur.com/0FdTjIl

Shorting the synopsis in Hulk brain...

https://m.imgur.com/jfCR8vu

Create lightning powerful enough to hurt Surfer...

https://m.imgur.com/EUNZCMQ

This will probably be a "who will attack first moment". Good thing Storm has broken the sound barrier.

https://m.imgur.com/hi7QQQq

Also, lol at Mera controlling any kind of fluids in Storm body. Mera isnt surviving
anything I posted above and the difference here is, storm is a killer.

So they can both essentially one shot the other, with Mera having one really good speed feat?

Split.

zopzop
Originally posted by Damborgson
with Mera having one really good speed feat?

While holding up hundreds of millions of tons of water and fighting off the entire Justice League. cool

Supermutant
Some here are assuming that Mera can control the water in Storm's body. I remember that Mera could not do that to Black Manta b/c of his bioelectric suit. Needlessly to say that Storm's body generates plenty of bio-electricity.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Supermutant
Some here are assuming that Mera can control the water in Storm's body. I remember that Mera could not do that to Black Manta b/c of his bioelectric suit. Needlessly to say that Storm's body generates plenty of bio-electricity.

thumb up

Glorificus
Storm.

Magnon
Mera stomps.

Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't know why Mera is the clear favourite of a sudden. The scale she operated at was nothing that surpasses Storms best or even equals it tbh.

The most impressive feat was the Flash scene which is impressive but pointless as Storm has total control of her body's elemental forces. Also made me very mad as a Flash fan but whatever it's Barry(Who they totally write like Wally)

If all you need is a water bubble to hold off Superman/Wonder Woman and quick thinking to beat the rest of the league, I.e ninja syndrome, woman power and common sense application of power, Storm would've done at least as well. If not better as she's more skilled than Mera in combat and strategy. Imagine if Mera also controlled lightning, wind, and all the other elements in that fight.

I can only imagine the reaction if Storm beat up the Avengers. And god help the JLA if they fought Jane Thor (She threw the Red Spot at Odin, which is 3 times larger than Earth.) laughing out loud

DarkSaint85
But she hasn't.

Mera has beaten the JLA, including a speed blitzing Flash, and held the strongest member, Wonder Woman, down.

She stomps.

Rage.Of.Olympus
She beat the Flash with a quick thinking application of her powers. Storm could easily suck the air out of his lungs instead. I'd argue Superman is the strongest and in a team setting everyone jobs.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
She beat the Flash with a quick thinking application of her powers. Storm could easily suck the air out of his lungs instead. I'd argue Superman is the strongest and in a team setting everyone jobs.

Yes, exactly. She blitzed the FLASH, who in turn was trying to blitz her.

You can argue that all you like, but my boy carver firmly believes that WW is the strongest.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, exactly. She blitzed the FLASH, who in turn was trying to blitz her.

Just like Batman did here:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130867/3380086-2603793081-batle.jpg

DarkSaint85
thumb up and then you complain when I post THAT scan of Batman and WW....

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, exactly. She blitzed the FLASH, who in turn was trying to blitz her.

You can argue that all you like, but my boy carver firmly believes that WW is the strongest.

She didn't blitz him, she specifically mentioned using her powers to outthink him because he was faster. She simply attacked first which makes no sense but people have been doing it against the Flash for literally decades.

StiltmanFTW
Yeah. Making fun of Batgod's stealth attempt is a much better feat.

vansonbee
Storm can shoot lightning from her hands now? This is new to me, what about you guys? 50/50 chance for storm to win?

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/sp/d592576cd6bc5cd00559c73d5a4d68ce/X-Men_-_Gold_2017-_007-013.jpg

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
She didn't blitz him, she specifically mentioned using her powers to outthink him because he was faster. She simply attacked first which makes no sense but people have been doing it against the Flash for literally decades.

Blitzing = attacking before your opponent can react, in my book.

And yes Still,even Batgod was power less before her. This shows her Uber ness.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by vansonbee
Storm can shoot lightning from her hands now? This is new to me, what about you guys? 50/50 chance for storm to win?

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/sp/d592576cd6bc5cd00559c73d5a4d68ce/X-Men_-_Gold_2017-_007-013.jpg

She always could... it's just that the kind she summons from the sky is more powerful, afaik.

Anyway, Mera is just some cheap flavor of the week. Sad times that people actually take interest in Aquaman's cumdumpster laughing out loud

TethAdamTheRock
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Zack M
Mera's best feat>>>>Storm's best feat. And she wasn't amped, either.

basilisk
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
She beat the Flash with a quick thinking application of her powers. Storm could easily suck the air out of his lungs instead. I'd argue Superman is the strongest and in a team setting everyone jobs. Superman is by far the strongest member, but both he and WW should really be able to get through those water constructs quite easily given all the other things they've done.

Green Lanterns I might give a pass on because they are rookies, but an experienced Lantern shouldn't have problems.

As for Flash, a Flash going all out would blitz characters like this before so much as a synapse had fired in their brain at the start of the fight, none of this "I'll counter his speed by using my powers to etc. etc." nonsense that seems to happen all the time with Flash. He's far beyond the speed of thought.

Truth is, yeah everyone jobs or holds back quite a bit in a team setting and when a character is getting a push. Frankly comics are always full of PIS, CIS, and illogical stuff in fights. And by making their characters so damn insanely powerful because of writers pushing their characters and one-upping each other, DC (and increasingly Marvel) paint themselves into a corner when they have to do fights like this.

That said I'd give Mera a majority over Storm depending on the setting, but Storm can get in some wins.

zopzop
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If all you need is a water bubble to hold off Superman/Wonder Woman
You realize it's not 'just' water right? She controls it right down to it's density and she's created 'hard' water constructs before that have contained powerful blasts, etc...

Superman and WW DID break out of the construct anyway, they only held them for a few minutes. What was impressive about it was how durable she can make them vs mundane lantern constructs.

Magnon
Exactly. Superman, and Wonder Woman to a lesser extent, have planetary+ level strength feats. Mera being able to contain both of them *while* fighting multiple herald-level beings at the same time means that she's currently at least high-trans level. I'm sure she will get depowered quite fast and quite a lot now that she's joined the Justice League but unless otherwise indicated we use the current versions of the characters in the vs threads.

Mera stomps.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
I already know the answer. I focus on combat showings but I'm trying to see if others are on the same page.

The quote that keeps on giving.

xJLxKing
Some people are trying to blow some feats out of proportion here

Supermutant
Originally posted by Galan007
Storm attempting to 'flash-freeze' Mera probably wouldn't be a good call. Freezing requires ice. Ice = h20 = ambient water in the atmosphere for Mera to control, like zop said.

It worked pretty well for the Dead King who was able to ko Mera with just snow and wind. Storm has an excellent shot here far from a stomp for Mera lol.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35465203_mera.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35465204_mera2.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35465205_mera3.jpg

carver9
I wonder how she would handle lightening. Also, question Galan. Was Flash using the upper limits of his speed against mera?

Galan007
Originally posted by Supermutant
It worked pretty well for the Dead King who was able to ko Mera with just snow and wind. Storm has an excellent shot here far from a stomp for Mera lol.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35465203_mera.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35465204_mera2.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35465205_mera3.jpg Eh, wut?

a.) The Dead King's aquakinesis is extremely powerful, and simply beyond Mera's -- as stated on panel.
b.) The Dead King was also a very powerful mage(he alone forged all of the Atlantean Tridents, for example), and his ice had a very potent magical quality to it as well.

IOW, acting like Storm's flash-freeze equates to an auto-win, simply because Mera was beaten by The Dead King's ice, isn't going to fly. Storm is certainly not a superior aquakinetic, nor is she a high-end mage. smile

Originally posted by carver9
Also, question Galan. Was Flash using the upper limits of his speed against mera? I'd rather not speculate.

What I do know for sure is that Flash was attempting to blitz Mera -- he was trying to end the threat. Despite this, Mera was still able to perceive/react fast enough to neutralize him. That's huge. thumb up

DarkSaint85
I remember when Spectrum was being chased by Proxima Midnight's spear......despite no speed being given,it was assumed that she was at her top speed, because logic.

Which, to be fair,I agree with.

And now......well, let's be consistent.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Galan007
Eh, wut?

a.) The Dead King's aquakinesis is extremely powerful, and simply beyond Mera's -- as stated on panel.

1. Not relevant to your position that Mera being flash freeze isn't a good call when she has already been defeated that way.

Originally posted by Galan007
b.) The Dead King was also a very powerful mage(he alone forged all of the Atlantean Tridents, for example), and his ice had a very potent magical quality to it as well.

2. lol Do we know the difference if any between the Dead King "magical" snow and normal snow? Plus if you actually look at the second scan it was the concussive force from the winds that koed her, not the winter wonderland.

Originally posted by Galan007
IOW, acting like Storm's flash-freeze equates to an auto-win, simply because Mera was beaten by The Dead King's ice, isn't going to fly. Storm is certainly not a superior aquakinetic, nor is she a high-end mage. smile

IOW Storm is a superior elemental so acting like Mera being aquakinetic is an auto-win simply isn't going to fly. Especially since Black Manta was able to block Mera's ability to take one's water from their body with just bioelectricity.

Galan007
Lol, so now Storm's ice attacks and aquakinesis are on par with the Dead King? Yeeeah, I think this discussion is over. It's clear what your agenda is. smile

psycho gundam
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But she hasn't.

Mera has beaten the JLA, including a speed blitzing Flash, and held the strongest member, Wonder Woman, down.

She stomps. Quoting to make it easier for someone to quote mine. Abhilegend will dig this I'm sure

Supermutant
Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, so now Storm's ice attacks and aquakinesis are on par with the Dead King?

Storm's ice attacks and aquakinesis doesn't have to be equal to the Dead King to defeat Mera. Storm has a natural counter to Mera's aquakinesis in bioelectricity and electrolysis. Plus she has other ways to win like with gale force winds or shutting down the electrical impulses in a brain like with Mr Sinister.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeeeah, I think this discussion is over. It's clear what your agenda is. smile

laughing out loud Ok so I disagree with you therefore I have an agenda?

Because I have seen Storm amplify heat with her temp control completely evaporating Hydro-man, or extracting additional moisture from the air on her own to amp her power.

Storm, who can not only create extreme sub-zero temps, but can also increase the temperature to create extreme heat, has manipulated greater amounts of moisture over a greater range, has manipulated hydrogen atoms directly, has shown the ability to control ocean currents the same way she does wind, and can induce snow, blizzards, fog, freezing rains storms,etc. through her moisture and temp control or combo of them. This is in addition to what she has done and potentially could do with the other elements and energies that fall under her control (electrical, em fields, and wind), plus some adhoc abilities and various combinations with her powers.

Yep my agenda is boss. Because I refuse to let an obvious Jobber League encounter override 40+ years of Storm's feats.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Quoting to make it easier for someone to quote mine. Abhilegend will dig this I'm sure

Thanks, hope carv sees it too thumb up

As to the bioelectricity, don't forget, BM already had it up as his suit (not to mention, he had prepped specifically for it):

http://i.imgur.com/P7NUCFI.jpg

Unless Storm suddenly walks around with a bioelectric shield already up, or knows that that is how she can counter hydrokinesis....not sure how this is a defense?

Damborgson
I've never heard a proper explanation for this and I'd like to hear some input on the matter. That good speed feat for Mera, is it now applicable to any and all threads she's in? Because that was the flash, there is no one faster. Wouldn't she then in theory, be too much for any hero? Couldn't she one shot Superman? After all, she outreacted the flash and essentially has an attack that can't be countered.

There's no intended snarkyness, it's the same issue that gets repeated all the time over the forums. Like, how in theory no one under flash should be able to tag Superman, yet when he does get tagged and its brought up, it kind of gets dismissed as good looking story telling. When then, is this not the same? Just cool story telling?

psycho gundam
The paradoxical nature of merae water manipulation being the achilles heel of all these characters when you know it shouldn't is the beauty of this feat

Let the forum crumble

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanks, hope carv sees it too thumb up

As to the bioelectricity, don't forget, BM already had it up as his suit (not to mention, he had prepped specifically for it):

http://i.imgur.com/P7NUCFI.jpg


Unless Storm suddenly walks around with a bioelectric shield already up, or knows that that is how she can counter hydrokinesis....not sure how this is a defense?

lol Because she has done it herself. She has applied this not only to herself but to others. And she sees energy everytime she uses her powers that why her eyes goes white. So she perceives the world in terms of energy, and can understand plus manipulate that.

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35465965_788449.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35465966_8942864.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/e3LANm3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jTPUzvw.jpg

Its pretty laughable that the counter to Storm's defense against Mera's hydrokinesis is that Storm doesn't know how to use her powers. laughing

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Damborgson
I've never heard a proper explanation for this and I'd like to hear some input on the matter. That good speed feat for Mera, is it now applicable to any and all threads she's in? Because that was the flash, there is no one faster. Wouldn't she then in theory, be too much for any hero? Couldn't she one shot Superman? After all, she outreacted the flash and essentially has an attack that can't be countered.

There's no intended snarkyness, it's the same issue that gets repeated all the time over the forums. Like, how in theory no one under flash should be able to tag Superman, yet when he does get tagged and its brought up, it kind of gets dismissed as good looking story telling. When then, is this not the same? Just cool story telling?

It's the same as Proxima Midnight and Spectrum. When we later see Black Panther et al outreact them.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Because she has done it herself. She has applied this not only to herself but to others. And she sees energy everytime she uses her powers that why her eyes goes white. So she perceives the world in terms of energy, and can understand plus manipulate that.

http://i.imgur.com/e3LANm3.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/40042/4402192- shaping+air+an+bubble+%28manipulate+water+current%
29+1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/40042/4402193- shaping+air+an+bubble+%28manipulate+water+current%
29+2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jTPUzvw.jpg

Its pretty laughable that the counter to Storm's defense against Mera's hydrokinesis is that Storm doesn't know how to use her powers. laughing

Right.

So all your scans show is Storm consciously activating it before it can be used.

IOW, she doesn't have it on at all times. She has to activate it. NOBODY said she doesn't know how to use her powers. Please stop misunderstanding me.

Does she activate it when against Iceman, for example? Does she defend against telepathy using her bioelectric aura? No? Then why does she suddenly think A-ha, I have never met this person before, but will break her (obvious!) telepathic link using my bio field!!

IOW, she has to activate it. BM does NOT have to activate it - his suit has it by default, as he knows of Mera and her hydrokinesis.

And in a quick draw battle, between Storm thinking 'bio field, ACTIVATE!' and Mera thinking 'Water rip!', who do you think is faster?

Hint: there's a scan of Mera doing it to a blitzing Flash.

Damborgson
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's the same as Proxima Midnight and Spectrum. When we later see Black Panther et al outreact them.

What does that do for battle board purposes though?

Edit: Though I'm starting to think that there isn't necessarily a proper answer.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Damborgson
What does that do for battle board purposes though?

Edit: Though I'm starting to think that there isn't necessarily a proper answer.

There isn't. Comics aren't written for battleboard purposes.

If tomorrow, writers wanted to show Batman throwing down with WW, they can and they will.

Damborgson
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There isn't. Comics aren't written for battleboard purposes.

If tomorrow, writers wanted to show Batman throwing down with WW, they can and they will.

Obviously not. But we're not a comic book are we? We're on a battleboard and the questions in my original post are pertinent.

Does Mera get the one shot on any and all now? Where is the average?

DarkSaint85
We'll have to see more examples of her trying,and seeing what fails and what works.

But for now, we have to go by what's been seen.

Damborgson
So for now, she has the ability to one shot any hero wothout a specific defense and essentially cannot be blitzed?

DarkSaint85
Think of her as Rulk when he first appeared.

Although saying that, she's been around since N52 first appeared so she has quite a few appearances.

Damborgson
You suck mate. thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by Damborgson
I've never heard a proper explanation for this and I'd like to hear some input on the matter. That good speed feat for Mera, is it now applicable to any and all threads she's in? Because that was the flash, there is no one faster. Wouldn't she then in theory, be too much for any hero? Couldn't she one shot Superman? After all, she outreacted the flash and essentially has an attack that can't be countered.

There's no intended snarkyness, it's the same issue that gets repeated all the time over the forums. Like, how in theory no one under flash should be able to tag Superman, yet when he does get tagged and its brought up, it kind of gets dismissed as good looking story telling. When then, is this not the same? Just cool story telling?

Yep, she's faster than Superman and Wonder Woman combined. Sad thing is, we had a huge debate on the Hulk vs Sentry fight, Hulk tagging a speed blitzing Sentry and the same people in this thread commenting on Mera tagging Flash were the same ones arguing Hulk slapping Sentry during mid blitz wasn't impressive because Sentry wasn't going at high speeds. WTF. The consistency, trolling and bias here is ridiculous.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, she's faster than Superman and Wonder Woman combined. Sad thing is, we had a huge debate on the Hulk vs Sentry fight, Hulk tagging a speed blitzing Sentry and the same people in this thread commenting on Mera tagging Flash were the same ones arguing Hulk slapping Sentry during mid blitz wasn't impressive because Sentry wasn't going at high speeds. WTF. The consistency, trolling and bias here is ridiculous.

Proxima Midnight and Spectrum.

Originally posted by carver9
we have Monica trying to outpace it while moving at light speed

Have you got proof Monica was going at lightspeed?

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Right.

So all your scans show is Storm consciously activating it before it can be used.

IOW, she doesn't have it on at all times. She has to activate it. NOBODY said she doesn't know how to use her powers. Please stop misunderstanding me.

Bioelectricity as in the electricity inside her own nervous system that she can manipulate. So in other words if she didn't have it, her nervous system wouldn't work and she would be dead. So its not something she has to turn on.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does she activate it when against Iceman, for example? Does she defend against telepathy using her bioelectric aura? No? Then why does she suddenly think A-ha, I have never met this person before, but will break her (obvious!) telepathic link using my bio field!!

IOW, she has to activate it. BM does NOT have to activate it - his suit has it by default, as he knows of Mera and her hydrokinesis.

Wrong question b/c she has beaten Iceman with just lightning. Right question, has Iceman, Crystal, Hydroman, anyone with hydrokinesis ever been able to take water away from Storm's body? No? Then why does some suddenly think A-ha, Mera can do what others equally or more powerful could not.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And in a quick draw battle, between Storm thinking 'bio field, ACTIVATE!' and Mera thinking 'Water rip!', who do you think is faster?

Hint: there's a scan of Mera doing it to a blitzing Flash.

In a quick draw battle why would Storm just stop the electric impulses in her brain like so. Notice that Storm didn't need to aim and point and it was immediate.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30174/4388661-17_zpsoyndygbb.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/30174/4388662-25_zps6osxxs95.jpg

The arguments against the"Flash blitz" scan have already been made. It would be easy to show Mera fighting others (a few already in this thread) w/out anything close to Flash level reaction time. Its pretty weak to take a obvious jobbing Flash and pretend that Mera's speed is close to his level.

DarkSaint85
Mera was also extremely tired when she fought them, it has to be pointed out.

Galan007
So Flash was jobbing now..? Lol, oh lawd. facepalm

carver9
Flash got a complete sentence out and still wasn't close to Mera. He obviously wasn't moving anywhere close to the speed of sound.

Zack M
laughing out loud

Galan007
Lol.

Yeeeeah, I'm done with this thread. The shit is piling too high for me. sick

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does she defend against telepathy using her bioelectric aura? No?

I'm so glad you asked that and this deserves its own section.

YES she defends against telepathy all the time using her own bioelectricy.

1. Jean Grey, ever heard of her? Storm is wanting her to psychically taste some ice-cream she is eating. Jean response is that there's too much "static" in Storm's brain. "Its the electrical forces that you control. They prevent any deeper probes." It also shows that this is a passive ability that's always working.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387675-8823302158-27162.jpg

2. Shadow King a powerful physic. Storm states, "the static in my mind has held the Shadow King at bay before." And we see the evidence of that.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387677-5280612138-27162.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387678-8526996028-Night.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387679-1746751610-Night.jpg

3. Rachel Grey aka Marvel Girl aka too many to list. Storm creates a lightning field around her that scrambles Rachel's powers.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387683-2778117623-27162.jpg

4. Psylocke-even the previously mentioned Rachel can't stand up to her tk. One guess as to who can?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387686-7368299026-27162.png

5. After a battle with Bogan, who was utilizing Rachel as his slave in an astral form, Storm allowed him to enter her mind before supercharging herself with lightning, destroying him.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387688-8002313799-27162.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387689-5657141028-27162.jpg

6. Pro X. "When your power's active like this, the feedback becomes quite painful."

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387690-6285935075-27162.jpg

And there's more but given who these psychics are, this issued should be put to rest.

DarkSaint85
Yep.

All the scans show that she actively throws it up to counter TP. Thanks.

It's not a passive ability that is always on, like Black Manta's suit.

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yep.

All the scans show that she actively throws it up to counter TP. Thanks.

It's not a passive ability that is always on, like Black Manta's suit.

laughing In the very first scan, why would she actively use it on her friend Jean Grey during a telepathic meeting? In which she asked and wanted Jean to telepathically eat ice cream with her.

In the last scan Pro X clearly states that under normal conditions meaning that Storm is not actively using her power it is hard to maintain TP contact with her.

Pro X is the leader of her team. Why would she actively resist him communicating to her via TP?

IOW what you have claimed doesn't make sense, and what I have shown is the exact opposite, so yes Storm's bio- electricity is passive i.e. always on and working. Of course she can control it better when she wishes to directly use it. Like against Emma Frost on two separate occasions. But notice that Emma got the first attack in and Storm was still able to resist. It was too late to activate her defense to TP unless it was already on.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387614-0267562525-27162.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/4387621-9466587414-27162.jpg

Storm has resisted the best TP/TK users in Marvel.

On a semi-related note, when in comes to others who can manipulate natural elements against her, it normally doesn't turn out to well for them.

I challenge you to a BZ, Storm vs Mera.

carver9
Hes not going to do it.

StiltmanFTW
Wow, Supermutant is really prepared here. Never figured you were a Storm fan, SM.

DarkSaint85
thumb up

I'll gladly BZ you.

Rules are that I will use Mera showings from JL 24, as I have been all this while.

Her scalings will be by using other characters. So Barry's highest feats (where he has nigh instant reactions), WWs and Superman's greatest strength feats, and Batman's greatest stealth feats. Also, the Lanterns and their auto shields.

Cyborg will be used too, namely his resistance to BFR.

If you wish to throw down, I'm game.

Edit:. Carver, you didn't reply to my question about Proxima Midnight's spear.

Hello!!!

Supermutant
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wow, Supermutant is really prepared here. Never figured you were a Storm fan, SM.

Storm is a pretty cool character. I just remember her doing a lot of impressive stuff. She's actually more of a high end energy manipulator than just a "weather witch".

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
thumb up

I'll gladly BZ you.

Rules are that I will use Mera showings from JL 24, as I have been all this while.

Her scalings will be by using other characters. So Barry's highest feats (where he has nigh instant reactions), WWs and Superman's greatest strength feats, and Batman's greatest stealth feats. Also, the Lanterns and their auto shields.

Cyborg will be used too, namely his resistance to BFR.

If you wish to throw down, I'm game.

Edit:. Carver, you didn't reply to my question about Proxima Midnight's spear.

Hello!!!

lol so you refuse. You are a pretty funny guy though. Surely it wouldn't take the best Justice League feats to beat Storm in a BZ.

carver9
Lol...was everyone on the JLA operating at their best? Was Flash moving at near nano second speeds during that showing? They couldn't even stop a wave from destroying a City. Storm has done that solo.

https://m.imgur.com/L3mL2HY

States that she held back a million tons of water.

https://m.imgur.com/99KkXhs

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...was everyone on the JLA operating at their best? Was Flash moving at near nano second speeds during that showing? They couldn't even stop a wave from destroying a City. Storm has done that solo.

https://m.imgur.com/L3mL2HY

States that she held back a million tons of water.

https://m.imgur.com/99KkXhs
First of all, a village is not a city. Second, Mera did that WHILE FIGHTING OFF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE. See the difference now?

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
First of all, a village is not a city. Second, Mera did that WHILE FIGHTING OFF THE JUSTICE LEAGUE. See the difference now?

Never said a village is a City...doesnt change the fact that Storm pushed back millions of tons of water on her own that was coming from all sides. I'm not talking about Mera, I'm talking about the JLA not being able to stop that wave.

CosmicComet
Yeah. I give it to my wife storm.

The JL massively underperformed.

DarkSaint85
Not refusing. I said yes.

You're the one who's not taking up my challenge.

This thread has Mera, whilst weakened, doing XYZ as proof to that she can beat Storm.

She held WW, who casually shattered Hal Jordan's constructs.

Flash, who can react and process almost infinite possible outcomes.

Superman,who benched the Earth for five days straight.

Batman, who has snuck away - in broad daylight, WHILST THEY WERE STARING AT HIM - from Superman, Lois and Catwoman, and has snuck from Gotham and Gotham Girl.

Like we said, this is N52 Mera. We can't give her the same standing and feats she had pre 52.

All low showings she's had before in the N52, was done when she was not pissed off and angry as she is now. Black Manta stopped her using bioelectricity? Flash couldn't, when she was angry. Want me to scan dump Speed Force lightning (which ALWAYS protects him when he runs)?

She's a different kettle of fish here, when compared to previously. Sure, her stock may fall over time,like Rulk's did. But as of now,she stomps Storm.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...was everyone on the JLA operating at their best? Was Flash moving at near nano second speeds during that showing? They couldn't even stop a wave from destroying a City. Storm has done that solo.

https://m.imgur.com/L3mL2HY

States that she held back a million tons of water.

https://m.imgur.com/99KkXhs

Was Spectrum moving at lightspeed? Consistency, Carver.

Hello!

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not refusing. I said yes.

You're the one who's not taking up my challenge.

This thread has Mera, whilst weakened, doing XYZ as proof to that she can beat Storm.

She held WW, who casually shattered Hal Jordan's constructs.

Flash, who can react and process almost infinite possible outcomes.

Superman,who benched the Earth for five days straight.

Batman, who has snuck away - in broad daylight, WHILST THEY WERE STARING AT HIM - from Superman, Lois and Catwoman, and has snuck from Gotham and Gotham Girl.

Like we said, this is N52 Mera. We can't give her the same standing and feats she had pre 52.

All low showings she's had before in the N52, was done when she was not pissed off and angry as she is now. Black Manta stopped her using bioelectricity? Flash couldn't, when she was angry. Want me to scan dump Speed Force lightning (which ALWAYS protects him when he runs)?

She's a different kettle of fish here, when compared to previously. Sure, her stock may fall over time,like Rulk's did. But as of now,she stomps Storm.

Your Flash example just prove how massively they turn the Justice League into the Jobber League for this one encounter against Mera.

Like for instance Superman's heat vision has been compared or stated to be hotter than the Sun itself. Yet Mera traps him in a water bubble even forgetting the fact that Superman has broken out of/destroyed way tougher. Why didn't Supes use heat vision? B/c of plot, even though his strength should have been more than enough.

You stated earlier in this thread that Mera has more appearances in the new 52, this isn't her only one. So when did using the highest showings of a character and forgetting the rest become the acceptable rule for Mera, as oppose to how all other characters go by average?

So you agree new 52 Mera vs Storm?

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Never said a village is a City...doesnt change the fact that Storm pushed back millions of tons of water on her own that was coming from all sides. I'm not talking about Mera, I'm talking about the JLA not being able to stop that wave.
Again you don't get it. It wasn't just the MILLIONS of tons of water they were fighting against, they were also fighting against the CAUSE of the wave : Mera's Hyrokinesis (which as we saw was and is no joke).

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Supermutant
Your Flash example just prove how massively they turn the Justice League into the Jobber League for this one encounter against Mera.

Like for instance Superman's heat vision has been compared or stated to be hotter than the Sun itself. Yet Mera traps him in a water bubble even forgetting the fact that Superman has broken out of/destroyed way tougher. Why didn't Supes use heat vision? B/c of plot, even though his strength should have been more than enough.

You stated earlier in this thread that Mera has more appearances in the new 52, this isn't her only one. So when did using the highest showings of a character and forgetting the rest become the acceptable rule for Mera, as oppose to how all other characters go by average?

So you agree new 52 Mera vs Storm?

I agree Rebirth Mera; I've realised that it's silly of me to use pre -Rebirth, due to DCs retcon thumb up

FACE ME!

DarkSaint85
Btw, she did all that she did....after DAYS of effort. Not at full strength:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ggquvAlzZSU/WVyym9_UqhI/AAAAAAAEaTg/q60kuf0FFZ8F0kd78FO91XXjMNwJFN4CwCLcBGAs/s1600/005_017.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
Again you don't get it. It wasn't just the MILLIONS of tons of water they were fighting against, they were also fighting against the CAUSE of the wave : Mera's Hyrokinesis (which as we saw was and is no joke).

Ok, now you're making something bigger than what it should be. They were treating this wave like a normal wave...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35458221/Justice_League_2016-_024-006.jpg.html

And something like this doesn't compare to what Thor has done. Hell, Storm has creating weather patterns that affect the entire freaking planet...something that was going to cause an ice age yet you want me to believe something was unbelievably special about this wave? I know you like the character Zop but you're trying too hard.

DarkSaint85
Carver, hello!

Was Spectrum moving at lightspeed?

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I agree Rebirth Mera; I've realised that it's silly of me to use pre -Rebirth, due to DCs retcon thumb up

FACE ME!

That retcon affected pre 52. There are no significance differences (to my knowledge) between the New 52 Mera and rebirth Mera.

So again New 52 (which of course includes Rebirth) Mera vs Storm BZ?

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Ok, now you're making something bigger than what it should be. They were treating this wave like a normal wave...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35458221/Justice_League_2016-_024-006.jpg.html

Normal wave? Storm's wave was a 100ft high. This wave was towering over SKYSCRAPERS. It would take an asteroid impact to reproduce something like that!

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Supermutant
That retcon affected pre 52. There are no significance differences (to my knowledge) between the New 52 Mera and rebirth Mera.

So again New 52 (which of course includes Rebirth) Mera vs Storm BZ?

Nope, didn't just affect pre-52.

There is indeed significant differences. In power levels - unless you can prove N52 Mera has the same power levels? In which case, I am happy to be educated.

So ONCE MORE - I AGREE TO A BZ USING THE SHOWINGS MERA HAS EXHIBITED IN JL #24

If you think n52 Mera is exactly the same as Rebirth in terms of power levels, then we have no arguments whatsoever. Like you said, we take averages. This isn't a high showing, it's her average.

If you think for some reason Rebirth Mera is more powerful, or has exhibited showings far beyond what n52 Mera has shown.....then we have no arguments whatsoever either. Rebirth is more powerful thumb up

Originally posted by zopzop
Normal wave? Storm's wave was a 100ft high. This wave was towering over SKYSCRAPERS. It would take an asteroid impact to reproduce something like that!

Lol. They even gasp at the height - normal wave indeed. I estimate that wave at being 500ft in height, based on the height of the Lincoln Financial.

carver9
Originally posted by Supermutant
That retcon affected pre 52. There are no significance differences (to my knowledge) between the New 52 Mera and rebirth Mera.

So again New 52 (which of course includes Rebirth) Mera vs Storm BZ?

Lol...told you

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...told you

Carver, was Spectrum moving at lightspeed?

Hello!

Originally posted by carver9
WTF. The consistency, trolling and bias here is ridiculous.

carver9
Have a feeling Dark responses are to me since he keeps replying as soon as I post. In am going to say this though and I am hoping you are reading this. The tread is Storm vs MERA. The thread starter did not say "this is mera from the JLA fight so only use those fts", this is all of her showings. If you are in here voting for her then you need to understand that ALL SHOWINGS are included since this isn't a JLA specific thread. Her showings in Aquaman and whatever other books she has been in is acceptable and can be used for or against her. You are making excuses to get out of a BZ. Either accept the BZ or admit why you are declining it...especially when you come into a thread that involves all of her showings. Keep making excuses like usual.

zopzop
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. They even gasp at the height - normal wave indeed. I estimate that wave at being 500ft in height, based on the height of the Lincoln Financial.
The more people dissect the events in this JLA issue, the more incredible it becomes. What a monstrous showing by Mera.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Have a feeling Dark responses are to me since he keeps replying as soon as I post. In am going to say this though and I am hoping you are reading this. The tread is Storm vs MERA. The thread starter did not say "this is mera from the JLA fight so only use those fts", this is all of her showings. If you are in here voting for her then you need to understand that ALL SHOWINGS are including since this isn't a JLA specific thread. Her showings in Aquaman and whatever other books she has been in is acceptable and can be used for or against her. You are making excuses to get out of a BZ. Either accept the BZ or admit why you are declining it...especially when you come into a thread that involves all of her showings.

Forum rules, buddy.

We use the most current version.

Wait, not just forum rules:

Originally posted by carver9
Why are people using incarnations of characters that almost doesn't exist anymore? Let's stay with current incarnations please.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah, no bfr and current characters only.

Originally posted by carver9
Current Supes would take the majority though.


Originally posted by carver9
Current versions of both.

Originally posted by carver9
True. Classic Hulk. Current Hulk is a different beast.

mad

Originally posted by carver9
. Current Wonder Woman is a different beast all together. She kills him.

Originally posted by carver9

I do think Hulk is more opposing than Thanos...especially going by recent portrayals.

Originally posted by carver9
thumb up

Especially considering his recent showing with Thanos. Beating Sentry, etc, etc...

Originally posted by carver9
Current of both.

And then we have Rulk:
Originally posted by carver9
If we are using the last Red hulk we've seen on panel, he beats the hell out of Doomsday

So.....current versions, unless not?

Oh, and one more. Carver was all a-flutter, thinking he was clever in saying DS didn't have the Ikon suit:

Originally posted by carver9
Slade doesn't have his Ikon suit anymore, so he doesn't have it here.

Except he did. Carver tries so hard sometimes. Bless.

Prof. T.C McAbe
I am 100% confident that Carver and DarkSaint85 are one and the same or at least soulmates or lovers, I can't find another explanation for this relation.

carver9
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I am 100% confident that Carver and DarkSaint85 are one and the same or at least soulmates or lovers, I can't find another explanation for this relation.

It's the latter and I am the man in the relationship.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I am 100% confident that Carver and DarkSaint85 are one and the same or at least soulmates or lovers, I can't find another explanation for this relation.

I've said it before:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's my sock account. This is how I get to look intelligent, by making absurd statements so that I can then come in and destroy my own posts.

Case in point:
Originally posted by carver9
It's the latter and I am the man in the relationship.

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
It's the latter and I am the man in the relationship.

That's a tad sexist. Possibly homophobic too.

Supermutant
PR you are an Aqua-guy. Are there any significant differences between New 52 Mera and Rebirth Mera? Also I'm interested in your thoughts on this match.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Supermutant
PR you are an Aqua-guy. Are there any significant differences between New 52 Mera and Rebirth Mera? Also I'm interested in your thoughts on this match.

Honestly, I haven't read nearly enough of Rebirth to make any kind of judgment. The lack of quality of the comics kind of put me off across the board for a lot of characters.

I don't even know how the retcon itself even works, and if she's even a different Mera, tbh.

DarkSaint85
Pr:'Arthur is mine, and I don't give two halibuts' farts about Mera'.

-Pr-
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pr:'Arthur is mine, and I don't give two halibuts' farts about Mera'.

Well, she is a redhead, and KMC knows how I feel about those...

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope, didn't just affect pre-52.

There is indeed significant differences. In power levels - unless you can prove N52 Mera has the same power levels? In which case, I am happy to be educated.

So ONCE MORE - I AGREE TO A BZ USING THE SHOWINGS MERA HAS EXHIBITED IN JL #24

If you think n52 Mera is exactly the same as Rebirth in terms of power levels, then we have no arguments whatsoever. Like you said, we take averages. This isn't a high showing, it's her average.

If you think for some reason Rebirth Mera is more powerful, or has exhibited showings far beyond what n52 Mera has shown.....then we have no arguments whatsoever either. Rebirth is more powerful thumb up

Nay, the proof is on you. Since you are stating that there is a significant difference between N52 and Rebirth Mera. What evidence supports that position? lol @ your attempt to take the feats of a character from one single comic issue for a BZ and ignore the rest. Anyways you seem way more interested in the continued trolling of Carver than actually accepting my challenge. big grin

DarkSaint85
So you're saying there's no significant difference?

IOW, this was her average?

carver9
Originally posted by Supermutant
Nay, the proof is on you. Since you are stating that there is a significant difference between N52 and Rebirth Mera. What evidence supports that position? lol @ your attempt to take the feats of a character from one single comic issue for a BZ and ignore the rest. Anyways you seem way more interested in the continued trolling of Carver than actually accepting my challenge. big grin

thumb up

That's the only reason he voted against Storm due to my post.

DarkSaint85
I thought you liked using current characters Carv?

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