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David randomly arrives at Marvel Earth, and successfully drops the entire payload of his 'Black Goo' canisters in the middle of NYC -- akin to when he annihilated the Engineers and their homeworld:

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*Around the 0:50 mark (assume he has enough to blanket the entire earth.)


-Who can survive the initial exposure to the pathogen?
-Who can survive in the mutated world that remains in the aftermath?



http://i.imgur.com/2S0uWy2.jpg

"...Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

Man-Thing
Warlock (technarch) / Ultron / Vision / Danger / etc.
Iron Man / Dr. Doom / etc.
Wolverine / Sabretooth / etc.
Mr. Sinister
Mr. Immortal
Shadow King / X-Ray / Photon / etc.
Dust / Rockslide / Mercury / Emma Frost (diamond form) / etc.
Elixir / Wither / etc.

Too many to list them all.

Hulk survives because Hulk is Hulk.

Originally posted by Magnon
Man-Thing
Warlock (technarch) / Ultron / Vision / Danger / etc.
Iron Man / Dr. Doom / etc.
Wolverine / Sabretooth / etc.
Mr. Sinister
Mr. Immortal
Shadow King / X-Ray / Photon / etc.
Dust / Rockslide / Mercury / Emma Frost (diamond form) / etc.
Elixir / Wither / etc.

Too many to list them all.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Hulk survives because Hulk is Hulk.

Colossus
Juggernaut
Venom
Thor
Hercules
Hyperion

Lol...im currently watching this movie.

first class Magneto survives, too

Me too just finished

I don't think the earth would be able to handle something like that...even comic earth.

It only affects biological entities, no?

Wolverine and Sabertooth would be in a terrible position. What can they do? It'll grow inside of them which leaves them with 2 options, to either kill it while it is inside of them (which would end with something the size of a baby lurking around in their chest) or let it burst out and then attempt to kill it while being crippled. Crazy thing is, this will be ongoing.

Covenant was so shit, pissed me off how they wrote off the Engineers like that.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine and Sabertooth would be in a terrible position. What can they do? It'll grow inside of them which leaves them with 2 options, to either kill it while it is inside of them (which would end with something the size of a baby lurking around in their chest) or let it burst out and then attempt to kill it while being crippled. Crazy thing is, this will be ongoing. Wolverine's healing factor allows him to recover from an almost-complete xeno-induced metamorphosis within seconds. The only reason he suffered any ill effects at all, below, was because his mutant powers had been temporarily neutralized. He would be able to resist the black goo as well.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/1397509-x_men234_14ab.jpg

Didn't think about it like that. You're right.

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Originally posted by carver9
I don't think the earth would be able to handle something like that...even comic earth. I am inclined to agree, carv. The black goo breaks shit down at the atomic/molecular level -- basically unmakes whomever it touches entirely.

I'd tend to think it would kill damn near everyone, tbh. Only the absolute TOP HFs have a chance.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It only affects biological entities, no? In the canon comics, a synthetic android was injected with the material, and it altered/destroyed his inorganic structure as well:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35469341_11.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35469342_22.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
I am inclined to agree, carv. The black goo breaks shit down at the atomic/molecular level -- basically unmakes whomever it touches entirely.

I'd tend to think it would kill damn near everyone, tbh. Only the absolute TOP HFs have a chance.

In the canon comics, a synthetic android was injected with the material, and it altered/destroyed his inorganic structure as well:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35469341_11.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35469342_22.jpg what about energy shields and beings made of energy?

Originally posted by Galan007
I am inclined to agree, carv. The black goo breaks shit down at the atomic/molecular level -- basically unmakes whomever it touches entirely.

I'd tend to think it would kill damn near everyone, tbh. Only the absolute TOP HFs have a chance.

In the canon comics, a synthetic android was injected with the material, and it altered/destroyed his inorganic structure as well:
https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35469341_11.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35469342_22.jpg

How does that jibe with the statement by David?

Originally posted by deathslash
what about energy shields and beings made of energy? I can only assume beings composed of pure energy would survive -- so long as they never assumed their 'normal' forms again. Same with shields -- as long as they are atomically sealed, and always kept activated, it should deflect the Goo.

How did David get the entire race of Engineers to stand in just one spot like that?

He arrived in their ship, so presumably broadcast a signal. 'Hey guys, I've got tons of hentai here!!!'

Originally posted by Talon Fang
How did David get the entire race of Engineers to stand in just one spot like that? They noted an Engineer vessel was inbound, and the entire populace rushed to meet it near the city's landing platform(obviously thinking it was the Engineers themselves; not David) -- this appeared to be some sort of ritual of theirs. Once they were all crowded in, David released his payload of Black Goo.

However, I am still of the opinion that was NOT the true Engineer homeworld, but rather, one of the thousands/millions of planets the Engineers have seeded with life over the millennia. The civilization/culture looked much too archaic to have spawned Engineer-level technology, imo. /shrug

Oh...So it was Lazy Plot Convenience then....

Pretty much.

Originally posted by Magnon
Man-Thing
Warlock (technarch) / Ultron / Vision / Danger / etc.
Iron Man / Dr. Doom / etc.
Wolverine / Sabretooth / etc.
Mr. Sinister
Mr. Immortal
Shadow King / X-Ray / Photon / etc.
Dust / Rockslide / Mercury / Emma Frost (diamond form) / etc.
Elixir / Wither / etc.

Too many to list them all.

Don't think Man Thing, Ironman, Doom, Mercury or Emma Frost would survive this. I'm sure the black mass would probably live within her diamond form until she turns human and once that happens, it is a done deal. Same with Ironman. As soon as that suit is off, it's over. The others would probably get overwhelmed by the aliens and either ate or outright destroyed. No way they survive a planet full of aliens and looking at the clips, more than one was jumping into people mouth which probably means 5 or 6 (probably more) was hatching out of one human. I know that was an ongoing sentence but I'm driving and didn't have enough time for a period, comma, etc...

By the way, that girl that was in the dome healing her wounds with some type of ointment was dumb as hell. Why would she wonder off by herself? She deserved to get chewed up (even though i felt bad for her).

Covenant was chalk full of dumb decisions and glaring inconsistencies. I'm usually quite forgiving to the Alien franchise(because it's great), but damn, RS made this film really hard to enjoy...on any level. ermm

Got a question...after David finished fighting his other half and we see him pop back up at the end when they was running for the space ship, did anyone else besides me know that wasn't the Android that showed up with the crew. Was I the only who knew she was carrying David back to the mother ship with the rest of the crew?

I thought it was pretty obvious that it was David. Typically if the villain and hero are fighting...and we don't *see* the villain die...it means he is still alive.

...Not to mention that Ridley Scott isn't just going to waste such a fantastic antagonist before he completes this leg/installment of the Alien franchise.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Covenant was so shit, pissed me off how they wrote off the Engineers like that. There are still Engineers out there bro, calm thyself.

I'm surprised about how many characters you like that I like as well, Galan. Though in this time there's not a lot more to like about Covenant, lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
I thought it was pretty obvious that it was David. Typically if the villain and hero are fighting...and we don't *see* the villain die...it means he is still alive.

...Not to mention that Ridley Scott isn't just going to waste such a fantastic antagonist before he completes this leg/installment of the Alien franchise.

I was surprised she didn't even think about it being him. She knew they were fighting, why wouldn't she take the safe route and contain him until she knew for sure who she was flying with. That was retarded.

Originally posted by carver9
That was retarded. = Alien Covenant. g007-psyduck

I'd expect everyone tangible and their outer layer of skin composed of cells to die, unless they're capable of erecting magical or telekinetic shields.

I don't see Wolverine surviving it because he relies on his X-gene for his healing factor, and his X-gene is part of his DNA which would be rewritten by the goo.

Originally posted by Astner
I don't see Wolverine surviving it because he relies on his X-gene for his healing factor, and his X-gene is part of his DNA which would be rewritten by the goo. Great point, actually.

Doesn't Deadpool's HF work much the same way..?

Thought Deadpool got his healing factor from Wolverine and if that is the case then yeah.

Agreed.

For anyone unfamiliar, this is what happens at a molecular level upon exposure to the Black Goo:
http://i.imgur.com/vUQX9bi.gif


Literally unmakes your entire being... And IF your DNA is rewritten via external variables, it is significantly altered as a result.

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed.

For anyone unfamiliar, this is what happens at a molecular level upon exposure to the Black Goo:
http://i.imgur.com/vUQX9bi.gif


Literally unmakes your entire being... And IF your DNA is rewritten via external variables, it is significantly altered as a result. what about blue marvel? Isn't he made out of anti matter? What would happen then?

Also, are the people on Earth allowed to try to destroy the goo?

Not sure. He'd either detonate due to the interaction of matter/anti-matter, OR it would mutate his DNA just the same, OR he'd shrug it off. /shrug

They cannot destroy the Goo because they wouldn't have the chance. All they can do is use personal shields and such to protect themselves.

Don't see how they can battle the goo, es0ecially considering how fast the attack happened

Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure. He'd either detonate due to the interaction of matter/anti-matter, OR it would mutate his DNA just the same, OR he'd shrug it off. /shrug

They cannot destroy the Goo because they wouldn't have the chance. All they can do is use personal shields and such to protect themselves. how long do they have to survive the goo then?

Originally posted by deathslash
how long do they have to survive the goo then? They have to survive the initial release of Goo, along with its after-effects.

Remember, the Goo infects the entire planet -- it mutates ALL organic(and even synthetic) life. So even after the Goo had 'settled', the heroes would still be dealing with the aftermath -- namely, billionS of mindless mutants and/or Xenomorphs. What's more, the bodily fluids of those mutated by the Goo can also cause secondary mutations to those exposed.

And as seen in Covenant: even plant life can store the Go, and release it as microscopic spores when contacted... The Goo-spores, in turn, seek-out nearby life to infect:
http://i.imgur.com/KXuSk0l.gif

http://i.imgur.com/3wz7gl8.gif

As seen from Galan's video, the planet was green and flourishing. The goo doesn't affect most types of plant life. This is why Man-Thing would most likely survive, he's just animated swamp moss through and through.

What's the strongest character could this goo affect?

Bro ****ing spoilers much

Bump.

People give this movie a lot of shit, but I loved it and think it brought a lot to the table that was lacking in Prometheus.

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I think this video describes a lot of why I like it so much. I know it still had flaws, but boy do I enjoy some of the Ridley Scott Alien feel that was brought into this; and David is best main character of all.

Is the sequel called Aliens Covenant, or is it called Prometheus 2. I loved the first move but have yet to see the second one.

Originally posted by Magnon
Wolverine's healing factor allows him to recover from an almost-complete xeno-induced metamorphosis within seconds. The only reason he suffered any ill effects at all, below, was because his mutant powers had been temporarily neutralized. He would be able to resist the black goo as well.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/1397509-x_men234_14ab.jpg

He's also healed from the f*cking lycanthropy, vampirism and resisted the symbiote possession.

Wolvie's HF is definitely haxx, but so is the Black Goo's ability to evolve and counter all biological 'obstacles' it encounters:

https://i.imgur.com/Q4a6LBD.jpg


At the very least the Goo would bombard Wolverine relentlessly, and he'd be left in a state of perpetually trying to heal/recover, imo. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Wolvie's HF is definitely haxx, but so is the Black Goo's ability to evolve and counter all biological 'obstacles' it encounters:

https://i.imgur.com/Q4a6LBD.jpg


At the very least the Goo would bombard Wolverine relentlessly, and he'd be left in a state of perpetually trying to heal/recover, imo. /shrug

Either that or, the antibodies in his system finds ways to eject the mutagen. I never saw the sequel to Prometheus, but the pathogen in the first movie was slow moving. Wolverine may not even ever become sick.

Marvel Earth would probably be destroyed. I don't even mean that the entire population would eventually be wiped out, I mean the planet would probably be destroyed. Given the way xenomorphs are prone to take on traits of their host, it's almost definite that one would gain some radical mutant abilities and do something to wreck the planet itself.

Originally posted by Stoic
Either that or, the antibodies in his system finds ways to eject the mutagen. As mentioned: one of the Pathogen's deadliest qualities is that it continuously evolves itself in response to 'resistance' from the host -- if the host attempts to counter it, the Pathogen evolves/counters in response, and so on. That's why David mused that it was "impossible to defend against."

Secondly, the Pathogen continues to replicate itself endlessly until all organic life(or even inorganic life, according to the comics) on that planet has been infected. So even if Wolvie's HF were able to overcome the Pathogen initially, it would continue attacking him indefinitely -- each time evolving to become more and more potent.

Originally posted by Stoic
I never saw the sequel to Prometheus, but the pathogen in the first movie was slow moving. Wolverine may not even ever become sick. Depends on the amount of the Pathogen you're exposed to. When exposed to a small amount of the Pathogen(like a single droplet), for example, it may take the host minutes/hours to begin mutating. When exposed to a large amount of the Pathogen(which is the intent of this thread), however, extremely violent mutations begin occurring almost instantly:

https://i.imgur.com/MTwfsxa.gif
https://i.imgur.com/8qP6z3j.gif
https://i.imgur.com/eWd2XkA.gif
https://i.imgur.com/2VDma6N.gif


*As mentioned earlier: the Pathogen quite literally attacks/destroys(and in some cases remakes) its host at the molecular level:
https://i.imgur.com/CHMQJf2.gif

I haven't seen this movie, so I'm just going by what I read here.

I'd definitely throw Elixir out there. He's full blown Jesus these days, giving life/death as he pleases. He's already cured people of Mpox, a sickness that Beast explains attacks your DNA, morphing to best attack your specific genome(2nd two scans).
https://postimg.cc/image/bx2gq2cgn/
https://postimg.cc/image/6lnk5cy3r/

https://postimg.cc/image/rwl49tqkn/
https://postimg.cc/image/esfjx568n/

Granted, he went psycho and tried to kill Monet, Sabretooth, and Magneto before reviving them.
https://postimg.cc/image/xw8vda8qf/
https://postimg.cc/image/44bsy41cn/
https://postimg.cc/image/vroic7etj/
https://postimg.cc/image/vex461bzb/

It was confirmed he manipulates biology at the genetic level early in his career. Beast later says he has complete control over his biology.
https://postimg.cc/image/k2kio6azb/
https://postimg.cc/image/6lnk5rqif/

He's given people tumors, which use a type of DNA.
https://postimg.cc/image/ylrnpw9cn/
https://postimg.cc/image/xm1ctzrk7/
https://postimg.cc/image/zbag29hlz/

Additionally, he tortured the Dark Riders by reviving and kill them over and over again. He also discusses with Monet how he died in her arms earlier.
https://postimg.cc/image/mxxluzhjb/
https://postimg.cc/image/e2wrkh86f/
https://postimg.cc/image/rjtq3cas7/
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https://postimg.cc/image/sm3wm21d3/

I honestly think he'd just purge himself of the goo, from what I've seen. Then he could go around helping others, provided he remains sane.

I would have suggested Triage too, but it seems like he is manipulating a literal life force, rather than biology. Seems like they'd just harness his power after taking him over.


Powerful psychics might make it out ok. Teen Jean for example has reconstructed herself after physical annihilation. Of course, she is probably mostly psychic energy that just looks human at this point.
https://postimg.cc/image/yobjcekmf/
https://postimg.cc/image/8390gupyv/

Rachel Summers has altered her DNA mentally. Assuming she doesn't get a TK shield up in time, it's possible she could fight the process too.

Old Man Logan has healed from the MPox thing too, and 616 Wolvie has plenty of similar feats, some of which have been mentioned. I imagine strong enough healing factors would eventually deal with it.

Magic users are another consideration here, although I can't think of specific examples. Marvel Earth would definitely be devastated, but maybe they can salvage something if people escort Elixir around. Possibly employ a time manipulator if one survives. Assuming, as darthgoober pointed out, some possessed character doesn't blow up the planet anyway.

Reed would whip up a cure in 5 minutes tbh.

It evolves to counter measures by "normal" human science. Think of anti venom, it would eventually evolve to counter that. But that's under the assumption that this is administered doses to fight it, not Wolverine's "I can heal my entire body from a nuke" that constantly fights it off with no breaks. It sounds like a more deadly version of the common cold tbh.

Wolverine is a different beast. I'd be curious to see the closest example in universe to a James Loganlett

Anybody remember this hidden gem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_Versus_Predator:_Extinction

Originally posted by One Big Mob
It evolves to counter measures by "normal" human science. Think of anti venom, it would eventually evolve to counter that. But that's under the assumption that this is administered doses to fight it, not Wolverine's "I can heal my entire body from a nuke" that constantly fights it off with no breaks. It sounds like a more deadly version of the common cold tbh. That's not what the Pathogen is at all... Pretty sure the common cold doesn't destroy those it infects at the molecular level, and/or completely rewrite their genetic code..?

What David was saying is that if someone tries to counter the Pathogen's effects with something genetically engineered or natural, it will instantaneously counter that counter, and so on. It is ever-changing/evolving, in order to infect all life it comes in contact with. That is how the Engineers designed it.

Maybe Wolverine would be able to heal himself of the infection initially. But like I mentioned: the Pathogen will continue to replicate/spread itself endlessly and never go dormant, until ALL life on earth has been infected. So at the very least the Pathogen would be perpetually attacking Wolverine at the molecular level -- with each attack more evolved than the last. So even if Wolvie healed every time, it certainly wouldn't be a fun existence for him regardless. Imo. /shrug

Anyone remember when the Hulk overcame the High Evolutionary's armour which tried to devolve him into goo... Perhaps I'm remembering it wrong, it's probably almost 40 years gone by.

But WWH was devolved into Gray Hulk, by a pathogen which, you guessed it, messed with his DNA.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But WWH was devolved into Gray Hulk, by a pathogen which, you guessed it, messed with his DNA. Comic Continuity... I don't remember that, but then I've not read every issue of WWH, He obviously overcame it though was that on Sakaar?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Comic Continuity... I don't remember that, but then I've not read every issue of WWH, He obviously overcame it though was that on Sakaar?

No, it wasn't on Sakaar.

Saint is talking about the Gamma Corps mini. The special squad under Ryker's command.

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39204512_World_War_Hulk_-_Gamma_Corps_03-021.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39204513_World_War_Hulk_-_Gamma_Corps_03-022.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39204515_World_War_Hulk_-_Gamma_Corps_03-023.jpg

X-man or a sufficiently powerful TK could purge it, like he did.

They'd have to keep purging it, though. As mentioned, the Pathogen isn't a one-time 'bug' that just stops after a while -- it keeps attacking/evolving/spreading endlessly.

Isn't that what Cable does constantly? With the TO virus?

@Galan and Stiltman, I'll have a look at that mini. Looks good.

Originally posted by Galan007
They'd have to keep purging it, though. As mentioned, the Pathogen isn't a one-time 'bug' that just stops after a while -- it keeps attacking/evolving/spreading endlessly.

Yes.

Nate neutralized something that merged with all life forms on earth though. It's pretty insane and specific. It might do the trick.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Isn't that what Cable does constantly? With the TO virus? It is.

But as seen in X-Sanction(among a few other stories), the TO virus takes a considerable amount of time to fully infect Cable, even when he's not using TK to keep it at bay. A big dose of the Pathogen, however, can fully destroy the host at the molecular level, nigh-instantly.

But even if Cable's TK were able to purge the Pathogen, he(like everyone else who might be able to initially purge it) would still be under that sort of continuous molecular bombardment from the ever-evolving Pathogen, endlessly. Additionally, Cable would also be simultaneously fighting against hordes of those who were infected/mutated by the Pathogen on Marvel earth... And if Cable is forced to use his TK to defend himself from these creatures(which is very likely), it could sharply weaken any resistance he may have to the Pathogen:
https://i.imgur.com/Ju4Jjhp.jpg

Tbh the TO virus is a something in favor of David's virus killing Marvel Earth.

****ing pathetic that they haven't been able to cure it yet lmao.

Apocalypse purged that shit in 20 seconds.

What stops Franklin from erasing it?

I'm sure he could. But obviously the intent of this thread wasn't to have a universal reality manipulator *poof* the Pathogen out of existence, ftw. It's more about who would be able to survive if the entire planet was engulfed in this shit.

...Not to mention that when I first made this thread, Franklin hadn't been seen or heard from since the finale of Secret Wars -- so I didn't really plan on him being here regardless. /shrug

Now that I think about it, there's a fair chance Marvel Earth would survive. I recognize that the goo's designed to evolve past normal human science, but then again we're talking about an Earth that's populated by guys like Reed and Doom... it's already well beyond what we(or the movie) consider human science. Marvel's top minds would likely put the Engineers and David to shame. Even their second and third tier brainiacs likely would. Have they really accomplished anything that we can't picture people someone like Mr Sinister accomplishing if he were the only super powered being on the planet? That's not to say a mass bombardment wouldn't sow chaos and confusion all over the planet because it totally would. The Earth would undoubtedly lose a large portion of it's population but between the brain's, mystics, and matter manipulators(who could simply turn the black goo to water) I think logically they'd most likely pull through in the end. Hell if nothing else, someone would go back in time and stop David from succeeding in his attack.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
@Galan and Stiltman, I'll have a look at that mini. Looks good.



Of course, Hulk regenerated and destroyed them... but the Corps still did better than most heroes in that event.

Btw, fun fact: the third issue actually reveals that Logan did cut the Hulk in their original encounter.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I recognize that the goo's designed to evolve past normal human science Just want to point out that the Pathogen was created by the Engineers, whose technology/knowledge is vastly beyond normal human science.

Maybe the science of it's universes Earth, but Marvel Earth is a whole different story. A significant number of the "brains" in Marvel have technology/knowledge that's vastly beyond the their human science too.

I think Sersi and possibly some other Eternals could survive

Then you have those with extremely high HFs who could potentially survive it (Wolverine, Hulk, etc)

Iceman, Sentry, Ghost Rider, Spectrum, Vision, Kitty Pride are some others I think would have a good chance of resisting or surving the goo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm sure he could. But obviously the intent of this thread wasn't to have a universal reality manipulator *poof* the Pathogen out of existence, ftw. It's more about who would be able to survive if the entire planet was engulfed in this shit.

...Not to mention that when I first made this thread, Franklin hadn't been seen or heard from since the finale of Secret Wars -- so I didn't really plan on him being here regardless. /shrug Ok. In that case, people like Hulk, Wolvie, Sentry, Ethereal beings and etc should be able to survive the first attack. They could also probably kill all of the resulting Protomorphs/Xenomorphs/Mutants but the earth's population would be ****ed beyond repair.

Galan007. The only living Alien: Covenant fan.

Ehhh I liked it when I saw it the first time OW. But repeating views do the film no good

I haven't seen it yet. I didn't give a shit about Prometheus, either.

Those gifs Galan posted are pretty sexy, though... so I might give those movies a chance. Fassbender delivered a good performance?

I didn't even liked it on first watch, it had a few nice scenes/moments but was overall meh/bad.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I didn't even liked it on first watch, it had a few nice scenes/moments but was overall meh/bad.

What's the worst part? No chestbusters or something else?

Or you can actually hear Galan galaning in the movie?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I haven't seen it yet. I didn't give a shit about Prometheus, either.

Those gifs Galan posted are pretty sexy, though... so I might give those movies a chance. Fassbender delivered a good performance? Fassbender was probably the most compelling thing about the film. Maybe the only thing lol

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Fassbender was probably the most compelling thing about the film. Maybe the only thing lol Exactly

Alien Covenant tried to take all the part which made the other Alien films great and mix it which ended in a total cluster****. Fassbender should have released that stuff on the set of the movies.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Maybe the science of it's universes Earth, but Marvel Earth is a whole different story. A significant number of the "brains" in Marvel have technology/knowledge that's vastly beyond the their human science too. Oh, of course.

But Marvel's uber tech and know-how doesn't give them instant immunity to a Pathogen of this magnitude -- that's all I'm saying... And I only wanted to mention that the Pathogen was created by the Engineers, because you weren't the first person I've seen who compared it solely by human standards.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I haven't seen it yet. I didn't give a shit about Prometheus, either.

Those gifs Galan posted are pretty sexy, though... so I might give those movies a chance. Fassbender delivered a good performance? You'll only appreciate Covenant to any extent if you watch Prometheus first... Otherwise it will literally make no sense at all.

I enjoyed both films for what they were(though neither were 'great'), but what I really like is where Ridley Scott is going with the story. David is going to be the creator of the first Alien Queen, and the Engineers are still going to play a major role in future films(hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if they help David in his quest to create the "perfect lifeform".) /shrug

Watching the movie now.

So many great parts and so many flaws.

What an odd thing it is.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Tbh the TO virus is a something in favor of David's virus killing Marvel Earth.

****ing pathetic that they haven't been able to cure it yet lmao.

Apocalypse purged that shit in 20 seconds. Hadn't really even thought about this, but you're right. Apocalypse straight up purged Xavier of the TO virus in 90 f*cking SECONDS, lol:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39207797_2009592.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39207798_4808930.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39207799_9247437.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/39207800_3139809.jpg

Apoc can cure this shit in under 2 minutes, but evidently no one else in Marvel has been able to cure it at all... Ever? The fuk? ermm

Just rewatched covenant last night. Anyone else think that engineers helmate, after he kills weyland and puts it on looks almost exactly like morpheus's helm from sandman?

Very similar.


https://i.imgur.com/nuQWNEi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Iyg0X80.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Galan007. The only living Alien: Covenant fan.

Not the only one. glare

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I haven't seen it yet. I didn't give a shit about Prometheus, either.

Those gifs Galan posted are pretty sexy, though... so I might give those movies a chance. Fassbender delivered a good performance? You should definitely check it if you dig Fassbender. It's definitely his story.

Venom solos

Bump...


srug

I always liked this thread. Nothing to contribute though.

Originally posted by Talon Fang
How did David get the entire race of Engineers to stand in just one spot like that?

I believe they were welcoming the ship home

Who knows how many thousands of years it had been since an Engineer ship visited that world.

I used to have a shitload of Darkhorse Aliens Pred comics

A lot of the Dark Horse stuff is really good.

Yeah, and as a kid getting to see nudity was pretty awesome lol

i honestly dont see any on marvel earth (who isnt a cosmic level being) surviving this

and by the sounds of it even the best healing factors would still be hard pressed to counter the goo

Did anyone read that Fire and Stone comic? It looked really good.

it was excellent. fleshed out the mythos alot

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
and by the sounds of it even the best healing factors would still be hard pressed to counter the goo I'm inclined to agree, tbh.

Originally posted by Magnon
Wolverine's healing factor allows him to recover from an almost-complete xeno-induced metamorphosis within seconds. The only reason he suffered any ill effects at all, below, was because his mutant powers had been temporarily neutralized. He would be able to resist the black goo as well.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/1397509-x_men234_14ab.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He's also healed from the f*cking lycanthropy, vampirism and resisted the symbiote possession.


And yet He couldn't from Zombie ism.

Funny How HF works.

The Fantastic 4 would find a way to neutralize the spores. This is the type of threat that they specialize at stopping.

I'm sure Reed *could* find a way to neutralize the pathogen. The question is if he could do so before it completely f*cked him and the earth.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
And yet He couldn't from Zombie ism.

Funny How HF works. Yeah, but that Wolverine was from another earth where everyone seemed weaker.

Galactus was flesh and blood, ffs:
https://i.imgur.com/o1AL3oh.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Galactus was flesh and blood, ffs:
https://i.imgur.com/o1AL3oh.jpg Lol, that series was so wack but cool nonetheless.

Originally posted by Barron-Ghidorah
Would feral wolverine be able to survive? I seem to remember he had a souped up healing factor since he wasn't using part of it to counter the adamantium poisoning. Thing with the pathogen is that it directly attacks(and destroys) the hosts DNA, nigh-instantly. And if it meets any 'resistance'(which, here, would be in the form of a HF), the pathogen will keep adapting/evolving to counter it, endlessly.

That's why it's hard to imagine a HF just beating it outright. /shrug

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Lol, that series was so wack but cool nonetheless. Same.

Nowadays the zombie plot is just an overdone trope, but the original MZ series came out years before the zombie hype started in Marvel and DC. I remember reading it for the first time and absolutely loving it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same.

Nowadays the zombie plot is just an overdone trope, but the original MZ series came out years before the zombie hype started in Marvel and DC. I remember reading it for the first time and absolutely loving it. Yeah, DCeased would have been so much more shocking like 10 years ago.

I remember being quite disturbed by MZ when I was 11 lol.

Because I'm a fan of bumping this thread every few years, here we go again...

Have opinions changed? How would current Marvel earth fare?

You and Phil need to rendezvous and watch Eden Lake from 2008.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You and Phil need to rendezvous and watch Eden Lake from 2008. It's legit a great movie. Me and Galan often fantasize on how we'd save Fasscock.

shouldnt anyone with a good hf be able to survive?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
shouldnt anyone with a good hf be able to survive? It would have to be a really good HF. The Pathogen attacks the host at the cellular level, and endlessly adapts/evolves itself in response to the host's own form of immunity.


I've posted this before, but David explained it best in the novelization:

https://i.imgur.com/Q4a6LBD.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
It would have to be a really good HF. The Pathogen attacks the host at the cellular level, and endlessly adapts/evolves itself in response to the host's own form of immunity.


I've posted this before, but David explained it best in the novelization:

https://i.imgur.com/Q4a6LBD.jpg so it infects someone like logan or wade. what happens to them iyo?

Hard to say.

Wolvie inhales the atomized pathogen, which begins rapidly attacking his entire body at the cellular level. Then Wolvie's HF kicks in to defend him. Then the pathogen begins constantly adapting to counter his HF, and so on.

I'm not certain if he could outright "beat" the pathogen, given that it would literally be breaking down/altering his DNA structure -- but maybe he could live with it for a while until his HF burns out from being endlessly bombarded.

the goo only infects biological lifeforms right? so any non biological characters should be fine.

so probably iron man could survive then.

There are openings and weak spots in Tony's armor.

Yep. The pathogen atomizes when exposed to the atmosphere, so Tony would likely have to use a FF to block it... But he obviously can't maintain that indefinitely.

Also worth mentioning that the pathogen actually did infect a synthetic android in the comics. So there is a precedent for it being able to affect non-organic lifeforms as well... Though in all fairness, the android was directly injected with the goo itself.

What about immortal characters? How would it stop them?

Immortality doesn't necessarily preclude the notion that the pathogen could transform them into another lifeform entirely.

For example, it obviously wouldn't kill a guy like Mr. Immortal, but it could transform him into some kind of GLA/Xeno hybrid... OR just use him as a permanent host that can spawn Xenos endlessly.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hard to say.

Wolvie inhales the atomized pathogen, which begins rapidly attacking his entire body at the cellular level. Then Wolvie's HF kicks in to defend him. Then the pathogen begins constantly adapting to counter his HF, and so on.

I'm not certain if he could outright "beat" the pathogen, given that it would literally be breaking down/altering his DNA structure -- but maybe he could live with it for a while until his HF burns out from being endlessly bombarded.

For what it's worth, Logan's hf was stated to be adaptive in nature as well, capable of developing resistances to anything in theory, including supernatural stuff.

The guy has recovered from vampirism and lycanthropy, so the limits of his healing power are entirely up to the writers.

Still haven't seen Prometheus and Covenant, but I get that you're saying the pathogen does the "continuous bombardment" thing that would eventually wear down most if not all regen powers which do not run on infinite energy?

In that case, it's indeed quite likely to work.

Wolvie's HF is haxx as hell, so yeah, maybe he could just cure himself of the pathogen all together. Personally, I just see it is a perpetual back and fourth between them until something gives. ie. the pathogen attacks Wolvie, Wolvie's HF counters, the pathogen starts adapting to counter that counter, and so on.

Because regardless of how good the character's HF is, I think it would be very difficult for anyone to keep continuously recovering from something that is endlessly attacking/altering their molecular structure like this:
https://i.imgur.com/vUQX9bi.mp4
...Unless their HF is so uber that they can just purge themselves of the pathogen all together in a short period of time(which is certainly possible by comic standards.)


That being said, there would definitely be some survivors, but that segways into the next part of my original question: how would they fare in a world where 99% of the organic lifeforms(including animals and even insects) have been mutated into Xeno hybrids/Xeno hosts?

Originally posted by Galan007
Also worth mentioning that the pathogen actually did infect a synthetic android in the comics. So there is a precedent for it being able to affect non-organic lifeforms as well... Though in all fairness, the android was directly injected with the goo itself. but how? david was at ground zero when he dropped the goo on the engineers but was never infected because he is a synthetic. that makes no sense.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but how? david was at ground zero when he dropped the goo on the engineers but was never infected because he is a synthetic. that makes no sense. Like I said, the atomized particles don't seem to affect non-organic/synthetic lifeforms... But per the comics, even androids can be altered by the pathogen, when its original/liquid variation is directly injected into them:
https://i.ibb.co/dQdVmbJ/Prometheus-The-Complete-Fire-and-Stone-049.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Gd5R528/Prometheus-The-Complete-Fire-and-Stone-050.jpg

that guy was an android? i'll take your word for it, but damn.

i just don't get why the atomized version wouldnt affect synthetic beings, but the liquid would.

His behavior and the trademark white fluid from the nose seem to support it.

Doubt Galan would make it up just to f*ck with us.

Then again, he's been obsessively bumping this little thread since 2017, so who knows...

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
that guy was an android? i'll take your word for it, but damn.

i just don't get why the atomized version wouldnt affect synthetic beings, but the liquid would. Yeah, his name is Elden, and he was a synthetic being. The pathogen ultimately transformed him into an absolute beast of a character who could ragdoll multiple Xenos and Predators simultaneously, and had an uber HF... But that's neither here nor there.

The pathogen affects all lifeforms differently. Evidently synthetic lifeforms are immune to the atomized particles, but when the original liquid version is directly introduced into them, it's a different story.

When that comic was released, Galan?

2014 & 2015? After Prom, before Cov?

And it's 100% canon or just canon-adjacent at best?

Don't get me wrong, great find and everything, but you know how it is with stuff like this.

If the goo is as uber as it seems, I imagine only reality warpers and matter manipulators of sufficient power could survive, no?

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, his name is Elden, and he was a synthetic being. The pathogen ultimately transformed him into an absolute beast of a character who could ragdoll multiple Xenos and Predators simultaneously, and had an uber HF... But that's neither here nor there.

The pathogen affects all lifeforms differently. Evidently synthetic lifeforms are immune to the atomized particles, but when the original liquid version is directly introduced into them, it's a different story. could it be that their outsides are just more immune than their insides? I imagine synthetic lifeforms don't breathe so their insides are more closed systems in terms of pathogens, but maybe that assumption is wrong.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
When that comic was released, Galan?

2014 & 2015? After Prom, before Cov?

And it's 100% canon or just canon-adjacent at best?

Don't get me wrong, great find and everything, but you know how it is with stuff like this.

If the goo is as uber as it seems, I imagine only reality warpers and matter manipulators of sufficient power could survive, no? Yeah, it was released around then. Though from an in-universe POV, the story is set like 200 years after the events of Prometheus.

I believe the comics are canon to an extent, as they obviously include many elements taken directly from the films... Though if the comics were ever contradicted by the films, then the latter would take precedence. In this case, however, there is really no contradiction, as the films have never shown us what happens to a synthetic when they're directly injected with the liquid variation of the pathogen.

There are some theories floating around that David(post-Covenant) will start experimenting on himself with the pathogen, which could explain why the Xenos featured in the first Alien film had a far more bio-mechanical look to them, than they did in Covenant... But those are obviously just theories at this point.

Originally posted by Smurph
could it be that their outsides are just more immune than their insides? I imagine synthetic lifeforms don't breathe so their insides are more closed systems in terms of pathogens, but maybe that assumption is wrong. I think the fact that synthetics don't actually breathe(in the conventional sense) accounts for that, yeah. In Prometheus it was stated that David didn't need to wear a space suit in order to survive the inhospitable atmospheric conditions on LV-223, while the humans did -- he simply wore the suit because one of his programming directives was to blend in with humans so they felt more 'comfortable' with him or w/e. The pathogen itself also doesn't seem to directly target synthetics, because again, it primarily seeks out organic lifeforms.

But in this case, the liquid variation of the pathogen was directly introduced/injected into Elden, so it's an entirely different case than what we'd see with the atomized/breathable particles.