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Trying to figure out who has the best durability fts out of the two. I'll represent Sam, anyone can represent Batman. I don't mind losing since this is per say, a challenge. This is a comparison.

Let's get started.

*posts scan of injured Batman without suit and WW*

Can't see Dark post, can anyone else post something.

Class 100 slams a bus on top of Sam and Sam digs himself from up under it and is in 100 percent condition. No broken bones, nothing.

https://m.imgur.com/a/Xlanx

Survives free fall from low orbit. He is unconscious but he lives...

https://m.imgur.com/VbzWTSy

Withstands a hit from Kluh and Kluh was at a power level where beings like Magneto teamed with a group of super human's admitted they couldn't stop him.

https://m.imgur.com/Th9NRUn

Magneto hits him with a shield toss that crash lands him from some fts up next to a car tipping said car over and uplifting the concrete up under him...

https://m.imgur.com/rqooVPt

Withstands a beating from Rogue with Wonderman powers and Apocalypse...

https://m.imgur.com/a/TijJi

Have more that I will post later.

All of these have him wearing body armour.

Any of him without it? Because so far, Batman has the best showing.

Btw Carver, we all know how to Google respect threads.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/34hbvr/respect_sam_wilson_captain_america_marvel_616/

Originally posted by carver9
Class 100 slams a bus on top of Sam and Sam digs himself from up under it and is in 100 percent condition. No broken bones, nothing.

https://m.imgur.com/a/Xlanx

What the hell makes you think that Arnim Zola is Class 100?

Originally posted by carver9
Can't see Dark post, can anyone else post something.
He didnt post anything. Just referenced the usual 'Bats gets whacked around by WW so he's a god' scans you've seen before.

Nice scans on your part, though. Thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by riv6672
He didnt post anything. Just referenced the usual 'Bats gets whacked around by WW so he's a god' scans you've seen before.

Nice scans on your part, though. Thanks for sharing.

Aaaahhhh, her slamming his head against concrete? I don't think that holds against what I posted. By the way, thanks Riv for the scan compliment.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What the hell makes you think that Arnim Zola is Class 100?

Originally posted by carver9
Class 100 slams a bus on top of Sam and Sam digs himself from up under it and is in 100 percent condition. No broken bones, nothing.

https://m.imgur.com/a/Xlanx Originally posted by carver9
Survives free fall from low orbit. He is unconscious but he lives...

https://m.imgur.com/VbzWTSy

Withstands a hit from Kluh and Kluh was at a power level where beings like Magneto teamed with a group of super human's admitted they couldn't stop him.

https://m.imgur.com/Th9NRUn

Magneto hits him with a shield toss that crash lands him from some fts up next to a car tipping said car over and uplifting the concrete up under him...

https://m.imgur.com/rqooVPt

Withstands a beating from Rogue with Wonderman powers and Apocalypse...

https://m.imgur.com/a/TijJi

Have more that I will post later.
Wth? Please tell me there's an explanation for this? Did he get the same Power Broker enhancements Luke Cage has because even the SUper Soldier Serum wouldn't account for these showings?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What the hell makes you think that Arnim Zola is Class 100?
I mean does it really matter? SW got a bus knocked upside his head and lived. There's legit superhumans that would be dead from half this stuff.

Sam Wilson wins the durability contest.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wth? Please tell me there's an explanation for this? Did he get the same Power Broker enhancements Luke Cage has because even the SUper Soldier Serum wouldn't account for these showings?

I mean does it really matter? SW got a bus knocked upside his head and lived. There's legit superhumans that would be dead from half this stuff.

It was discussed on KMC before. Afaik, he just has some really tough suit. Vibranium? I'm not sure, but it was def brought up in some vs thread.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sam Wilson wins the durability contest.

Ignoring getting blown up by a tank, blocking Jon's punch and barely getting dazed by bloodlusted Wonder Whore are solid feats, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It was discussed on KMC before. Afaik, he just has some really tough suit. Vibranium? I'm not sure, but it was def brought up in some vs thread.
I mean that would make sense if he survived energy attacks or high caliber gunshots but how does the suit protect him from getting a bus broken over his head or falling from orbit? This dude is definitely superhuman and at least as durable as classic Luke Cage.



Of course they are, especially the Jons/WW showings but still........ something is off here.

EDIT
I just saw that "wonder whore" LOL

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What the hell makes you think that Arnim Zola is Class 100?

Seen an argument some time back where an argument was made with Zola being within the weight class and it seemed legit. How strong do you think he is? Curious.

More fts.

Withstands a punch from an Apocalypse that was out for blood...

https://m.imgur.com/tGoA5S3

Crashing through a building still getting his fight on...

https://m.imgur.com/deJzXwS

Armadillo ram him while in his ball form and then falls on top of him in a suplex motion covering Sam entire body and Arm is a super human. Sam gets right back up ready to fight. He then gets punched some distance...

https://m.imgur.com/MMITrjV
https://m.imgur.com/Ga1NMo9

Originally posted by zopzop

This dude is definitely superhuman and at least as durable as classic Luke Cage.

Just stop. Few nice showings because of his new status as Captain America, nothing more.

He has NOT been enhanced. Still has only that ridiculous bird ability, afaik.

Falcon has the whole history of mediocrity, even with the vibranium suit.

Originally posted by carver9
Seen an argument some time back where an argument was made with Zola being within the weight class and it seemed legit. How strong do you think he is? Curious.

Strong enough to lift a bus.

So... class 20, at best.

It seems just wielding Cap's shield boost one to meta durability.

Originally posted by Supermutant
It seems just wielding Cap's shield boost one to meta durability.

Sam is just an average sidekick, so he needed all the help from other heroes and writers to make him... somewhat useful.

http://i.imgur.com/woYxXVU.png

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sam is just an average sidekick, so he needed all the help from other heroes and writers to make him... somewhat useful.

http://i.imgur.com/woYxXVU.png

How do you feel about the character? Do you not like him? What's your intake on him getting the Cap status? Or are you going against him because of me?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Strong enough to lift a bus.

So... class 20, at best.

Ok.

lol and I thought it was T'challa who gave him the vibranium wings

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sam is just an average sidekick, so he needed all the help from other heroes and writers to make him... somewhat useful.

http://i.imgur.com/woYxXVU.png

👍.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol and I thought it was T'challa who gave him the vibranium wings

Yeah, inconsistency at its finest...

http://www.comicsrecommended.com/images/longform/black-panther-civil-war-falcon.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
How do you feel about the character? Do you not like him? What's your intake on him getting the Cap status? Or are you going against him because of me?



I feel that he should stay out of spotlight, he works best when he's in Cap's shadow.

I'm going against him because Bats has way more showings of durability...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I feel that he should stay out of spotlight, he works best when he's in Cap's shadow.

I'm going against him because Bats has way more showings of durability...

Every one needs a little shine though. Not permanent but temp shine is ok. Everyone from Gambit to no names like Mr. X has received it. I feel like he deserves it and it is ok.

You're only saying that because he's black. Like you.

There's a difference between "a little shine" and replacing Captain fcking America.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're only saying that because he's black. Like you.

There's a difference between "a little shine" and replacing Captain fcking America.

I loled. Edgelord ^^ here is right tho. Falcon should get respect on his own merits.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're only saying that because he's black. Like you.

There's a difference between "a little shine" and replacing Captain fcking America.

Hhhhmmmm, stuff like this tend to happen all of the time...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/110095/3277816-2237562945-23370.jpg

https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spiderman/images/9/9e/Hercules_webswinging.jpg

Let's not even name the people that has replaced Batman or Wolverine. Nothing against you Stilt but it seems like people complain about petty stuff. Especially since something like this happens all of the time.

Forgot to mention Cho being in Banner place for quite a bit of time now.

Originally posted by carver9
Forgot to mention Cho being in Banner place for quite a bit of time now.

You missed his point entirely

Originally posted by zopzop
Wth? Please tell me there's an explanation for this? Did he get the same Power Broker enhancements Luke Cage has because even the SUper Soldier Serum wouldn't account for these showings?

I mean does it really matter? SW got a bus knocked upside his head and lived. There's legit superhumans that would be dead from half this stuff.

Sam Wilson wins the durability contest. If Sam is not an amped human then the showing is PIS and therefore unusable.

Is this a serious thread?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just stop. Few nice showings because of his new status as Captain America, nothing more.

He has NOT been enhanced. Still has only that ridiculous bird ability, afaik.

Falcon has the whole history of mediocrity, even with the vibranium suit.
Like I said, there's legit low level superhumans that would be dead from the sh|t Falcon withstood in those scans Carver provided.
Originally posted by h1a8
If Sam is not an amped human then the showing is PIS and therefore unusable.
I mostly agree with you here. These showings are 100% PIS and reek of writer armor but we can't say they are unusable because they are on panel.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Is this a serious thread?
Yes it is. I know people like giving Carver a hard time but the scans he posted the links to are legit and Falcon's durability feats are respectable (to say the least).

Should I start posting what Batman has endured?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Should I start posting what Batman has endured? nobody gives a crap about what he's endured because we all know what his feats are.

Don't try to rain on Falcon's parade because you want to defend the honor of DC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Should I start posting what Batman has endured?

Yes its quite literally why Carver made this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Trying to figure out who has the best durability fts out of the two. I'll represent Sam, anyone can represent Batman. I don't mind losing since this is per say, a challenge. This is a comparison.

Let's get started.

Http://batmanfeats.blogspot.com

Go there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Http://batmanfeats.blogspot.com

Go there.

No

Your loss.

No, your stupid question was answered in the OP.

Originally posted by zopzop
Like I said, there's legit low level superhumans that would be dead from the sh|t Falcon withstood in those scans Carver provided.

Okay, but it happens to Bats every single day and twice on Sundays...

I'm trying to figure out why you gave Sam the win here. Perhaps you're ignoring all of Bats' pre-Rebirth feats or what...?

Even with just Rebirth being considered, Bats took a shitload of punishment from Grundybuster Bane.

Originally posted by zopzop
Like I said, there's legit low level superhumans that would be dead from the sh|t Falcon withstood in those scans Carver provided.

I mostly agree with you here. These showings are 100% PIS and reek of writer armor but we can't say they are unusable because they are on panel.

Yes it is. I know people like giving Carver a hard time but the scans he posted the links to are legit and Falcon's durability feats are respectable (to say the least).

We have a forum rules, NO SHOWINGS OF PIS. If ALL showings counted then we wouldn't have this rule. Think about it.

Sam's wings and suit protected him, just like batsuit protected Wayne from Deadshot or major head trauma... or even when Taskmaster's silly costume protected him from a magical projectile fired by a Doombot.

READ A COMIC BOOK, H1.

https://s21.postimg.org/by8wue0qf/frh1.png

So no showings of Sam out of his suit?

Pity.

Batman wins, then.