FP Onslaught & Phoenix 5 vs. Serpent & Worthy

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byrdgang21
Who wins?

Sin I AM
Did Onslaught face anyone above High Herald?

h1a8
Team 1

Wait Kuurth isn't getting beat. Team 2 then.

Galan007
^ Kuurth gets BFR'd, if nothing else.

Team 1 wins.

zopzop
Team 1 rage stomps. In fact, either member (yes I realize P5 are 5 different characters but for the sake of this thread I'm considering them 1 person) of T1 can solo.

byrdgang21
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Did Onslaught face anyone above High Herald?

Not that I can remember. Unless somebody wants to argue for mindless hulk :/

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Did Onslaught face anyone above High Herald?

Did the Serpent, Phoenix 5 or the worthy face anyone over Herald level? Anyways, it was outright said that Hulk was above EVERYONE during the time he faced Onslaught so I feel confident that puts him above Herald level. Said that he was above all of Earth hero's, COMBINED.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by byrdgang21
Not that I can remember. Unless somebody wants to argue for mindless hulk :/

Yea. I hate how trans tier amd above chars dont get to be pitted against others in their tier or higher

Originally posted by carver9
Did the Serpent, Phoenix 5 or the worthy face anyone over Herald level? Anyways, it was outright said that Hulk was above EVERYONE during the time he faced Onslaught so I feel confident that puts him above Herald level. Said that he was above all of Earth hero's, COMBINED.

Will you shut the phuck up already? JFC Noone is lowballing Hulk here.

leonidas
lol anyway, team 1 wins. not sure about bfr though--didn't at least a few figure how to dimension travel? creel and titania visited the infinite mansion or whatever it was called, no?

carver9
Hey, I was just asking a question.

carver9
This is the team that was ready to fight Onslaught... a team far less powerful than this has wrecked trans tiers recently...

https://theunspokendecade.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/courage.jpg

Sin I AM
Originally posted by leonidas
lol anyway, team 1 wins. not sure about bfr though--didn't at least a few figure how to dimension travel? creel and titania visited the infinite mansion or whatever it was called, no?

Kuurth cant be bfred. I dont think Cul can either. The rest were meh save Nul. P5 was equally garbage. Fight probably comes down to Cul and Onslaught

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
lol anyway, team 1 wins. not sure about bfr though Yeah, I didn't think about this until after the fact, but one of the tactics the X-Men tried against Kuurth involved Pixie 'porting him to a different location on earth...But he auto-returned within the space of a single footstep:
http://i.imgur.com/8L1ozF6.jpg

And we also know TP attacks aren't slowing him down either, because even Emma /w/ Cerebra(which amps phychic abilities to the tenth power) was still completely overwhelmed when she tried to mindphuck a helmetless Kuurth:
http://i.imgur.com/hmFkXIL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MJzZect.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0ZBQm9I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Gk8svmm.jpg


The only question I have is if Kuurth could still auto-return from BFR if he were dumped into a completely different universe/dimension..? mmm

leonidas
yeah the more i think on this, the less sure i am tbh. i assume the serpent upgrade would keep this from happening to juggs this time..?

http://img04.deviantart.net/d1f6/i/2016/119/d/e/ juggernaut_got_wrecked_by_onslaught_by_keyblademag
icdan-da0p6an.png

but...i'm not 100% sure. assuming each of the worth are about thor level--and i think that was pretty firmly established the P5 should still be considerably more powerful. not sure how powerful the serpent became but even if he killed the P5 the last survivor would be much more powerful than he was i think--or he should be considerably more powerful. and the PF would def be powerful to override the cyttorak enchantment at that point anyway...

never mind--team 1 still takes this every time imo. though some of the 5 may actually fall. /shrug

Sin I AM
Was the p5 really that impressive? I cant remember a single good feat

leonidas
namor wrecked a powerful group of heroes. they were stabbed through the head, shattered, beaten down, but physical force showed again and again to be mostly useless against them. they bled but really nothing impacted them save wanda's chaos magic and hope. thinking about it a little more, not seeing how the worthy would do...anything really, to even 1/5 of the force. forgetting onslaught. /shrug it would fall mostly to the serpent to take them down i think.

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah the more i think on this, the less sure i am tbh. i assume the serpent upgrade would keep this from happening to juggs this time..?

http://img04.deviantart.net/d1f6/i/2016/119/d/e/ juggernaut_got_wrecked_by_onslaught_by_keyblademag
icdan-da0p6an.png

but...i'm not 100% sure. assuming each of the worth are about thor level--and i think that was pretty firmly established the P5 should still be considerably more powerful. not sure how powerful the serpent became but even if he killed the P5 the last survivor would be much more powerful than he was i think--or he should be considerably more powerful. and the PF would def be powerful to override the cyttorak enchantment at that point anyway...

never mind--team 1 still takes this every time imo. though some of the 5 may actually fall. /shrug thumb up

Especially factoring in absurdly haxx showings like this:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35476073_Avengers_vs._X-Men_08-013.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35476075_Avengers_vs._X-Men_08-014.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35476077_Avengers_vs._X-Men_08-015.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35476078_Avengers_vs._X-Men_08-017.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35476080_Avengers_vs._X-Men_08-018.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/35476082_Avengers_vs._X-Men_08-019.jpg

"It took ALL OF US just to knock him down... It took ALL WE HAD!"

*Only thing that saved the Avengers there was direct intervention from Wanda... Who is not in this thread.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by leonidas
namor wrecked a powerful group of heroes. they were stabbed through the head, shattered, beaten down, but physical force showed again and again to be mostly useless against them. they bled but really nothing impacted them save wanda's chaos magic and hope. thinking about it a little more, not seeing how the worthy would do...anything really, to even 1/5 of the force. forgetting onslaught. /shrug it would fall mostly to the serpent to take them down i think.

Wasnt it physical force that caused them to each lose their portion of the pf to begin with?

leonidas
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wasnt it physical force that caused them to each lose their portion of the pf to begin with?

nah, not sure where you got that. obviously wanda's chaos magic was the only real danger to namor. colossus and ilyana took each other out in a fight between them and emma gave scott her power. no physical force beat...any of the 5. hope smacked scott around with wanda's powers and the magic of the dragon to boot, + some of scott's own pf. they all laughed at thor at various times in the series. i can't see the worthy really doing anything to any of the 5. /shrug

Damborgson
Originally posted by leonidas
and emma gave scott her power

http://media.emmafrostfiles.com/images/avengers-vs-xmen-11-emma-vs-cyke.jpg

Scott choked that shit out of her.

leonidas
ah, cool. thumb up i thought she'd wanted to give him the power at one point, no? anyway, detail was wrong, but the morale of the story stays the same: it took another phoenix to beat a p5 member--or wanda. or hope using p5 power or wanda's power. no expression

byrdgang21
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wasnt it physical force that caused them to each lose their portion of the pf to begin with?

My memory kinda foggy but was it prof X or Wanda that took down p5 Major? And iirc Colossus & Magik KOed each other

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