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Who wins?
No Prep..
No BFR..





America


Vs

She-Hulk



Reason i made this fight is to see how America would do vs She-Hulk one on one.. I go on diffrent site and read up alot and lately iv been hearing that America might be the most powerful pound per pound female superhero in Marvel comics.. As far as levels goes.. Meaning low, mid high herald tiers

Is Marvel pushing her like that ?

Chavez hasnt done much. Her flight speed is light but i havent seen her reflex speed. And she boasted being able to beat Danvers but thats just talk. She could bfr jen tho

Jen on the other hand is supposedly getting a push in her mini but shes only beaten some no name fear entity so far...

Going off feats Walters...although i suspect they are about even

Her reflex speed is light as well...

https://m.imgur.com/0SWq6vN

Originally posted by carver9
Her reflex speed is light as well...

https://m.imgur.com/0SWq6vN



Beastly

Don't forget her greatest power...she is brown! And a trendy lesbian too!

She-Hulk doesn't stand a chance.

Miss America wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Her reflex speed is light as well...

https://m.imgur.com/0SWq6vN

I dont think thats what monica is saying.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Don't forget her greatest power...she is brown! And a trendy lesbian too!

She-Hulk doesn't stand a chance.

Qft

Originally posted by carver9
Her reflex speed is light as well...

https://m.imgur.com/0SWq6vN
That's not quite lightspeed. She's still moving to Monica's eyes, but in slow motion.

I like that Marvel is some what push the females superhero more than in the past..

Danvers
America
Monica
Lady Thor
She-Hulk

Are all contenders now when it comes to even some of the top DC woman..

Originally posted by Supermex
I like that Marvel is some what push the females superhero more than in the past..

Danvers
America
Monica
Lady Thor
She-Hulk

Are all contenders now when it comes to even some of the top DC woman..
I think Marvel's been pretty good to women for a long time tbh. Monica was ALWAYS one of the most powerful Avengers. In the X-Men, the most powerful members have typically been women. In Excalibur, Rachel and Megan were the powerhouses. In the FF, IW is hands down the most powerful member. Thor Girl was way more powerful than Thor. Mantis is badass and has oneshotted Thor. Moondragon has enslaved Thor. Gamora was doing better against Thor than anyone else on the Infinity Watch in B&T... come to think of it, Thor has some serious problems fighting women in general lol

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I dont think thats what monica is saying.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's not quite lightspeed. She's still moving to Monica's eyes, but in slow motion.


Yeah, it looks like Monica is moving at light speed herself, while Chavez is going much slower. Still impressive, since America isn't completely frozen, but not light speed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I think Marvel's been pretty good to women for a long time tbh. Monica was ALWAYS one of the most powerful Avengers. In the X-Men, the most powerful members have typically been women. In Excalibur, Rachel and Megan were the powerhouses. In the FF, IW is hands down the most powerful member. Thor Girl was way more powerful than Thor. Mantis is badass and has oneshotted Thor. Moondragon has enslaved Thor. Gamora was doing better against Thor than anyone else on the Infinity Watch in B&T... come to think of it, Thor has some serious problems fighting women in general lol


Marvel had a lot of powerful women already. Some just needed to be used more.

I still don't know why Monica hasn't shown up in the movies yet. She's cool as ****.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's not quite lightspeed. She's still moving to Monica's eyes, but in slow motion.

Would you say it's close to it? She was moving while Monica was going light speed. The world is usually at a still when someone is going at light.

Chavez.

She's in a similar strength class, but is way faster, can fly and has almost unlimited teleporting abilities.

Even with bfr off she could just keep portal dumping She Hulk a kilometer up in the air, letting her hit the ground and repeating until she's unconscious.

She does have a lightspeed reaction feat. She reacted a attack from Spectrum and BFRed her.

yeah chavez should likely take this. her durability has been pretty solid too throughout the ults run.

Originally posted by carver9
Would you say it's close to it? She was moving while Monica was going light speed. The world is usually at a still when someone is going at light.

It's honestly impossible to tell from just that occurance because "slow motion" isn't a solid descriptor. She could have been moving at 90%, 75%, 50%, 25%, or even just 10%... it's impossible to say for sure. No matter what if she was visibly moving at all to Monica's eyes we know she was super sonic by A LOT(even 1% of lightspeed is just over 1,862 miles per second while the speed of sound is 0.213130319 miles per second), but that's about all that can be positively ascertained from that one scan.

Originally posted by carver9
Would you say it's close to it? She was moving while Monica was going light speed. The world is usually at a still when someone is going at light.

No it just shows shes fast. Really fast. Impressive still

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Chavez.

She's in a similar strength class, but is way faster, can fly and has almost unlimited teleporting abilities.

Even with bfr off she could just keep portal dumping She Hulk a kilometer up in the air, letting her hit the ground and repeating until she's unconscious.

Im not convinced shes in the same strength class. Yea she has super strength but she hasnt faced anyone thats tested her mettle. She is bullet proof though but she has limits (she struggled with toothgnasher.
https://68.media.tumblr.com/d9049dd2a094e2def687b7c48c1f90f2/tumblr_ot7a046KvO1wrmisbo1_400.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/626581549c4e1618b491a2e49844732d/tumblr_ot7a0vxT8b1wrmisbo1_400.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/e5710601e920485e3d9b6082980bc2e6/tumblr_ot7a15Kz8L1wrmisbo1_400.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/8456c8d6357ceb390b31dfb78031108f/tumblr_ot7a1jOydB1wrmisbo1_400.jpg

She did knock him out tho^^

She was also bfred by Loki and couldnt get back so im so sure her tp is failproof

https://68.media.tumblr.com/7b930238d1832980741a9224d7239f8e/tumblr_ot79qz5VfV1wrmisbo1_400.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/155a094ced76a5a8b3a0ea5b0ba57910/tumblr_ot79r9MJ8Z1wrmisbo1_400.jpg

She hulk is also not getting knocked unconscious from a bfr drop either.

One of the main things that I think puts her in the same class is the fact she was able to effect Thanos with her punches. I mean it's something others have done but it's still pretty impressive considering some of the hits Thanos has no-sold in the past.

And tbf bfr dropping someone from orbit is a bit different than from a skyscraper.

But I had forgotten about Jen's new form. She's probably stronger than Chavez then, but I think America's speed and other options give her the win here.

Does She-Hulk get stronger as she rages?

Doesn't look like she was struggling with the goat.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
One of the main things that I think puts her in the same class is the fact she was able to effect Thanos with her punches. I mean it's something others have done but it's still pretty impressive considering some of the hits Thanos has no-sold in the past.

And tbf bfr dropping someone from orbit is a bit different than from a skyscraper.

But I had forgotten about Jen's new form. She's probably stronger than Chavez then, but I think America's speed and other options give her the win here.

U know i was considering Thanos as a tent pole (since they both have faced him recently). But his power levels have been fluid...varied.

True. But Jen is a Hulk. Albeit a weaker one. I just cant see an orbit drop as the win.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/e16babcaf81f95920f76774fe548d585/tumblr_ot79zdyEZc1wrmisbo1_400.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/eed47d4ea5f6ef488b6e3b9d32ef9445/tumblr_ot79zoxMU41wrmisbo1_400.jpg

I like this little exchange. Hopefully they duke it out

I think shes going back to her stronger than hercules days.

@Facee yes. But her transformations are traumatic and she has only faced one enemy in 8 books so its too early to tell

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't look like she was struggling with the goat.

Google struggle

She being KOed by orbit is kind inconsistent with what She does in ultimates. She was able to fly in a space outisde the universe, where Elven Blue Marvel had to use a special armor.

There is probably too much that she can do with her teleportation powers. She just teleports into a realm composed of unlimited concussive force and opens it up near a Chitauri Leviathan, destroying it.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
One of the main things that I think puts her in the same class is the fact she was able to effect Thanos with her punches. I mean it's something others have done but it's still pretty impressive considering some of the hits Thanos has no-sold in the past.

And tbf bfr dropping someone from orbit is a bit different than from a skyscraper.

But I had forgotten about Jen's new form. She's probably stronger than Chavez then, but I think America's speed and other options give her the win here.
Nowadays Thanos gets bloodied by everyone and their mothers.

mmm

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There is probably too much that she can do with her teleportation powers. She just teleports into a realm composed of unlimited concussive force and opens it up near a Chitauri Leviathan, destroying it.

Cant arbitrarily assign powers without them beint displayed

Where was Chavez koed by drop from orbit?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cant arbitrarily assign powers without them beint displayed

I was describing specifically what she does in today's issue of Ultimates.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cant arbitrarily assign powers without them beint displayed

He meant like in Ultimates2 #9 today, she teleported into what looked like the realm that powers Cyclops' blasts then opened a gate back into normal reality and a massive blast came with her. It was pretty cool.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
He meant like in Ultimates2 #9 today, she teleported into what looked like the realm that powers Cyclops' blasts then opened a gate back into normal reality and a massive blast came with her. It was pretty cool.

Yep. Thanks. It was pretty cool. And I worded it poorly, so I can see how Sin mistook what I was saying.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I was describing specifically what she does in today's issue of Ultimates.

Then i missed that. I havent went to the mailbox yet. Thanks for the spoiler ******* lol jk. If thats the case it changes things. I just finished re-reading some of vengeance, a-force and her current ongoing. Shes being pushed but hasnt fought anybody. I have no issue giving her the win but i still havent seen anything to suggest shes that high end other than lip service

Its the same thing with Luna Lafayette. She was declared the smartest person on the planet by Cho (who isnt even the smartest person on the planet mind you) yet hasnt done half the stuff even the leader has done let alone Reed.

The lightspeed feat of her is this one: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/JZl1LeW-oyS2BM3UbCQ6BYx0Uo1_t-cBcwamA14bWI0j-sc7JoyeslooX0ORhxhjxOzTVAUdN7WC=s1600