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At baseline level who could do this to an aircraft carrier as easily? (remember it took Senty, Wonderman and Ms. Marvel to lift a helicarrier

http://i.imgur.com/WP4NBvC.jpg

or hit harder than the Asteroid that killed the dinosaurs?

http://i.imgur.com/3jVv0Zx.jpg

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
At baseline level who could do this to an aircraft carrier as easily? (remember it took Senty, Wonderman and Ms. Marvel to lift a helicarrier



To land without killing the passengers, not to lift...

Originally posted by RealityWarper
To land without killing the passengers, not to lift...

Yeah, they struggled to lift it slowly down to the ground. Well Sentry did alone that is.

1) Superman and easily.
2) Pre DCNu Captain Marvel could POSSIBLY do it. He caught and safely put down an aircraft carrier thrown by Eclipsed Superman.
3) Hyperion could do it. He lifted the entire city of Atlantis then flung it away destroying it.
4) Gladiator could do it. He lifted the Baxter Building and busted a planet with his punches.
5) Thor could do it. He lifted the Midgard Serpent's foot a few inches off the ground for a few seconds. He hit Exitar so hard, the shockwave destroyed mountain tops for miles.
6) Terrax could do it. He lifted the entire ISLAND of Manhattan into space. He's shattered a planet with his axe.
7) Namor could POSSIBLY do it. He's lifted the island of Utopia. He lifted Hydrobase (which is an artificial island). His blows were causing seismic activity planetwide.

Those are just off the top of my head.

Originally posted by zopzop
1) Superman and easily.
2) Pre DCNu Captain Marvel could POSSIBLY do it. He caught and safely put down an aircraft carrier thrown by Eclipsed Superman.
3) Hyperion could do it. He lifted the entire city of Atlantis then flung it away destroying it.
4) Gladiator could do it. He lifted the Baxter Building and busted a planet with his punches.
5) Thor could do it. He lifted the Midgard Serpent's foot a few inches off the ground for a few seconds. He hit Exitar so hard, the shockwave destroyed mountain tops for miles.
6) Terrax could do it. He lifted the entire ISLAND of Manhattan into space. He's shattered a planet with his axe.
7) Namor could POSSIBLY do it. He's lifted the island of Utopia. He lifted Hydrobase (which is an artificial island). His blows were causing seismic activity planetwide.

Those are just off the top of my head.

Marvel heroes... and Earthbound ones. Ah, you're being salty. No issues here pal.
btw the last one from Namor clearly isn't near an Extinction level event for force and I know what you'll say, but neither was breaking a shield as no one became extinct. We have to sadly face facts that's what the shield was meant to stop and obviouly it dissipated the energy somewhere on shattering or all life on DC Earth would be dead.

Thor easily
Hulk easily
Juggernaut
Hyperion
Blue Marvel

The list is large.

Originally posted by zopzop
7) Namor could POSSIBLY do it. He's lifted the island of Utopia.

Only "supported" it, off-panel.

But yeah, it was still a good feat and he has plenty of other ones.

Earthbound Sentry could

http://i.imgur.com/tfPxBmo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WdGS3CY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mR7QqGa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9U6J2Xn.jpg

Hulk could lift a Helicarrier.

A calm Hulk punched a ship that dwarfed continents across space recently. The fts named here are nothing to him.

Originally posted by carver9
A calm Hulk punched a ship that dwarfed continents across space recently. The fts named here are nothing to him.
Originally posted by tkitna
Earthbound Sentry could

http://i.imgur.com/tfPxBmo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WdGS3CY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mR7QqGa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9U6J2Xn.jpg
Yeah, can't believe I left these two (and Blue Marvel) out (it's been a long day).

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Only "supported" it, off-panel.

But yeah, it was still a good feat and he has plenty of other ones. It was a good feat, but any extinction level strikes?

Hulk
Hyperion
Odinson
Jane Thor
Hercules
Blue Marvel

I'm sure there are others...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hulk
Hyperion
Odinson
Jane Thor
Hercules
Blue Marvel

I'm sure there are others...

Hercules? Really, I don't disagree on the others pal, but Hercules (well maybe baseline Hulk).

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Hercules? Really, I don't disagree on the others pal, but Hercules (well maybe baseline Hulk).
He has feats beyond that so it shouldn't be a surprise.
Plus he's almost always portrayed at or around Odinson level.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He has feats beyond that so it shouldn't be a surprise.

He does not have quantifiable feats beyond that level (ie 'lifting the heavens'). The Manhattan Island feat has been debunked and only the die hard Herc fans still cling to it.

What does that leave Hercules in terms of lifting feats?

Lifting the "heavens" though unquantifiable, strikes me as way more impressive.
He never "lifted" Manhattan.

Comparison with Odinson.
http://imgur.com/m0szmaE.jpg

And.. Not "lifting", but...
http://imgur.com/LmrGdAR.jpg
http://imgur.com/J8FFe6O.jpg

We know Sentry struggles with Hellicarriers, so he ain't doing it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lifting the "heavens" though unquantifiable, strikes me as way more impressive.
He never "lifted" Manhattan.

Comparison with Odinson.
http://imgur.com/m0szmaE.jpg

And.. Not "lifting", but...
http://imgur.com/LmrGdAR.jpg
http://imgur.com/J8FFe6O.jpg

I know he never lifted Manhattan, he 'pulled' it but that feat has been debunked. There's nothing in your post aside from hyperbole (even if it isn't it's a shared feat with Thor) and being compared to Thor in strength despite the fact that his on panel showings don't back that up. He's been around since the 70s and had his own series that ran over 120+ issues. There's got to be something you can post?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
We know Sentry struggles with Hellicarriers, so he ain't doing it.
Sentry lifted a cruise ship (?), he could do it.

How much does Godzilla weigh in comparison to an AC ?

Originally posted by zopzop
I know he never lifted Manhattan, he 'pulled' it but that feat has been debunked. There's nothing in your post aside from hyperbole (even if it isn't it's a shared feat with Thor) and being compared to Thor in strength despite the fact that his on panel showings don't back that up. He's been around since the 70s and had his own series that ran over 120+ issues. There's got to be something you can post?


Sentry lifted a cruise ship (?), he could do it.
Hmm.. Interesting u found that to be hyperbole considering it was pretty specific on the amount of pressure being generated. If it said they were generating the "pressure of a thousand planets" or "force of a hundred supernovas" then I'd be inclined to call it as such.


This is hyperbole.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11126/111260040/4893798-4778817085-thor-.jpg

You see, I've always been a huge fan of Hercules all the way back to the days of a 220V Electric socket stunning him, thing is, when he does Thor lite feats, I always think of all the times he has had problems and when he does anything outlying I see it as poor writing. I admit I'm a little biased against him in terms of how powerful I see him. Personally, my own view is he is somewhere very near Simon Williams give or take. It has at times taken very little to put him down and he has a lot of low showings.

Hulk and an amped Ironman fought and their fight split New York in half. Guess who was there to pull the city back together?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/5/54353/2180368-hercules___holding_manhattan_together.jpg

This should end your debate.

Luke Cage.

If the carrier owed him money.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk and an amped Ironman fought and their fight split New York in half. Guess who was there to pull the city back together?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/5/54353/2180368-hercules___holding_manhattan_together.jpg

This should end your debate. Not really, static strength is completely different to throwing and punching. Hence people who are good at plyometrics are often not as good at deadlifts and vice versa.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Not really, static strength is completely different to throwing and punching. Hence people who are good at plyometrics are often not as good at deadlifts and vice versa.

So pulling a city together isn't enough to prove he could throw a ship? Really????????

Originally posted by carver9
So pulling a city together isn't enough to prove he could throw a ship? Really???????? No, a better one to prove he could do that would be his first mini series where he throws the Space ship into orbit using the refueling cables and saves everyone. The slightly out of context scan you used doesn't cut it. Yeah, he could do the ship one no doubt, the extinction level strike? Not so much.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
We know Sentry struggles with Hellicarriers, so he ain't doing it.

Shame on a hero trying to save lives.

http://i.imgur.com/WdGS3CY.jpg

"What would people say if they knew you ran this ship aground to avoid lifting it, thereby killing all on board?"

Same difference

Originally posted by tkitna
Shame on a hero trying to save lives.

http://i.imgur.com/WdGS3CY.jpg

"What would people say if they knew you ran this ship aground to avoid lifting it, thereby killing all on board?"

Same difference Yeah, the second mini I think had his best quantifiable feats. Terrax etc. Although Supes lifts ships and still saves them...

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
You see, I've always been a huge fan of Hercules all the way back to the days of a 220V Electric socket stunning him, thing is, when he does Thor lite feats, I always think of all the times he has had problems and when he does anything outlying I see it as poor writing. I admit I'm a little biased against him in terms of how powerful I see him. Personally, my own view is he is somewhere very near Simon Williams give or take. It has at times taken very little to put him down and he has a lot of low showings.

I think your wrong. Namor admitted Herc was stronger than him even underwater and I believe it was Janet that said Herc was the most powerful Avenger ever and she was on teams with Thor and Hulk. He's up there for sure.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Yeah, the second mini I think had his best quantifiable feats. Terrax etc. Although Supes lifts ships and still saves them...

DC is less realistic. The ship would crumble.

Originally posted by tkitna
I think your wrong. Namor admitted Herc was stronger than him even underwater and I believe it was Janet that said Herc was the most powerful Avenger ever and she was on teams with Thor and Hulk. He's up there for sure.

Fair enough, we'll agree to differ, personally, I think Hulk has greater potential to be called strongest Avenger ever more than most, I also think Gilgamesh and Thor are both above Hercules. Janet, now she needs a slap for that comment...

Originally posted by tkitna
DC is less realistic. The ship would crumble. Pretty sure many ships have been lifted in Marvel, I can think of Namor, Airwalker, and Hulk for three where the ships haven't crumbled.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Pretty sure many ships have been lifted in Marvel, I can think of Namor, Airwalker, and Hulk for three where the ships haven't crumbled.

Yeah I know (heck I posted a scan of the Sentry doing it and the ship didn't crumble), but the point was that everybody dumps on the Helicarrier feat and there was a reason for it and it was explained. A being that can take down an Island and Asgard has a problem with a helicarrier? No. He tried to ease it down due to the people inside.

Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah I know (heck I posted a scan of the Sentry doing it and the ship didn't crumble), but I point was that everybody dumps on the Helicarrier feat and there was a reason for it and it was explained. The helicarrier feat is different as it is in the air though and he needs Wondy and Ms. M to help him. IT's not falling apart at any point.

Herc > Gilgamesh

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Herc > Gilgamesh When they fought way back when in Thor, do I remember Herc knocked him out or am I imagining that. It was when Zeus and Odin led the Olympians to Olympia where Thor was. It's so long since I read it. Gilgamesh changed a lot after that, his senses got better he no longer needed Puck as his eyes, he got levitation and he got eye beams. In his run, in the Avengers he was considered the strongest of all Avengers too.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
When they fought way back when in Thor, do I remember Herc knocked him out or am I imagining that. It was when Zeus and Odin led the Olympians to Olympia where Thor was. It's so long since I read it. Gilgamesh changed a lot after that, his senses got better he no longer needed Puck as his eyes, he got levitation and he got eye beams. In his run, in the Avengers he was considered the strongest of all Avengers too.
I don't think Forgotten One was koed.

Thor was clearly superior. When Herc gets compares to Thor, it's almost always a toss up.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I don't think Forgotten One was koed.

Thor was clearly superior. When Herc gets compares to Thor, it's almost always a toss up. Pretty sure Herc knocked him down... my memory may be playing up. Might be a scan somewhere, I'll look tomorrow. The Thor fight though on the Celestial ship was weird, and that was the character but not the Gilgamesh in Avengers, if you see what I mean, by the time he was an Avenger he was much more powerful imo and he gave Thor problems on the Celestial ship. That run was the best Thor run of all time for me.

Forgotten One was amped by TOAA celestial.

Gilgamesh in the Avengers was less powerful as he no longer had the amp.

Read the recent Herc run. Herc > Gil in that portrayal.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Forgotten One was amped by TOAA celestial.

Gilgamesh in the Avengers was less powerful as he no longer had the amp.

Read the recent Herc run. Herc > Gil in that portrayal. I will do, be didn't use flight or vision powers when with the one above all, he had the armour, not sure that was an amp though, willing to be convinced though. How recent is recent? I'm catching up 7 years of comics at the moment, do I need to read anything first for that Herc run?

Originally posted by zopzop
I know he never lifted Manhattan, he 'pulled' it but that feat has been debunked. There's nothing in your post aside from hyperbole (even if it isn't it's a shared feat with Thor) and being compared to Thor in strength despite the fact that his on panel showings don't back that up. He's been around since the 70s and had his own series that ran over 120+ issues. There's got to be something you can post?


Sentry lifted a cruise ship (?), he could do it.

Hebhas several "on panel showings" that support him being Thors equal. To name a couple.

1. He armwrestled thor to a standstill during an Avengers assemble storyline.
2. He and Thor sealed the gateway to olympus by punching it from eather side (if tje wetent equal one would have firced it the other way)

Without flight, not many can replicate Adam's extinction event

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
How recent is recent? I'm catching up 7 years of comics at the moment, do I need to read anything first for that Herc run? the newest herc run was in 2016. It continued in a Civil War 2 tie in and no, you don't have to do any prerequisite reading before you start.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Without flight, not many can replicate Adam's extinction event

Agreed

Originally posted by deathslash
the newest herc run was in 2016. It continued in a Civil War 2 tie in and no, you don't have to do any prerequisite reading before you start.

Thanks very much.

Blue marvel
Thor
Sentry
Namor
Hulk
Hyperion
Etc