Dr. Light (Arthur) Vs Monica Rambeau

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I know of her feats very well. Do you have any idea of Kimiyo or Ray's power? She has channeled power of entire Stars in her original appearance itself. Ray has powered an entire dimension with his powers and has been outright stated to be most powerful being in JLA at least once.

lol channeling power of the Sun check

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836810_spectrum_1_sun.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836811_spectrum_2_sun.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836812_spectrum_sun.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836813_spectrum_sun2.jpg

space cheese being able to casually destroy a world as proven by the Maker check

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/23676096_MRshatterworld.jpghttp://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/23676094_MRdestroyworld2.jpg

irrelevant statement about power levels or whatever checked by having the same threat level classification as Blue Marvel.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23641696_captainmarvelmightyavengersalpha_-_Copy.jpg

So I'm still waiting on these "way better feats in every way." By the was some of these was done when she was going by Photon or Pulsar, where she wasn't nearly as powerful as she is now.

DarkSaint85

Erm, you DO know Dr Light channels the power of Vega, NOT the Sun, on the daily, right?

And that Vega is, objectively, twice as large as the Sun. So your scan is not in the same ballpark.

Sin I AM

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm, you DO know Dr Light channels the power of Vega, NOT the Sun, on the daily, right?

And that Vega is, objectively, twice as large as the Sun. So your scan is not in the same ballpark.

Twice as large means twice as powwrful?

DarkSaint85

Channelling a power source that has twice as much mass (and all things being equal, has twice as much energy).

Am saying that the two feats are not equal. Channeling the power of a whole chicken, vs a nugget. Or in this case, two nuggets.

Edit: but you're right. Vega is 40 times brighter than our Sun, so it's kicking out 40 times more light energy.

Zack M

Didn't the female Dr. Light do a lot of damage to Anti-Monitor in COIE? LOL

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol channeling power of the Sun check

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836810_spectrum_1_sun.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836811_spectrum_2_sun.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836812_spectrum_sun.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35836813_spectrum_sun2.jpg

Is it enough to injure Anti Monitor?

http://imgur.com/a/7hBVf

No, it is not.

Meaningless without some comparison.

Now if only Blue Marvel was someone impressive.

He isn't even the most powerful being in Ultimates. Carol is stated above him in the same book.

When she wasn't as powerful as now she was handily beaten by Ms Marvel. Even at full power Iron man has absorbed her twice.

Light absorbs her power easily.

zopzop

I like Monica but she's not winning this.

darthgoober

I don't know all that much about light, but whether or not he could just toy with him at his whim would depend on whether or not hi control extends beyond forms of actual light because Monica can become other forms of energy as well. If he can then I could totally see him winning, but if he's unable to control all the forms of energy that she can transform into I see her having a chance. The girl has a brain, if she knows she's going up against someone who controls light I don't see her transforming into light right out of the gate.

abhilegend

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't know all that much about light, but whether or not he could just toy with him at his whim would depend on whether or not hi control extends beyond forms of actual light because Monica can become other forms of energy as well. If he can then I could totally see him winning, but if he's unable to control all the forms of energy that she can transform into I see her having a chance. The girl has a brain, if she knows she's going up against someone who controls light I don't see her transforming into light right out of the gate.
Light has outright stripped Wonder Girl's magical lightning out of her lasso.

http://i.imgur.com/34KrqqP.png

Spectrum can't even hope to compete.

darthgoober

Originally posted by abhilegend
Light has outright stripped Wonder Girl's magical lightning out of her lasso.

http://i.imgur.com/34KrqqP.png

Spectrum can't even hope to compete.
Hey like I said, if he can control everything she can become then I can totally see him winning. It's just matter of whether or not he can. She can become anything within the electromagnetic spectrum plus some fairly exotic things(for instance I think she can become neutrino's or something like that to go FTL) so if he has control over all that kind of stuff then it's an absolutely HORRIBLE matchup for her.

Zack M

Arthur has controlled green lanterns, magic, etc... This isn't a stomp in anyones favor like Gloricus has said.

darthgoober

Originally posted by Zack M
Arthur has controlled green lanterns, magic, etc... This isn't a stomp in anyones favor like Gloricus has said.
Oh I disagree, if he can control everything he can become it's absolutely a stomp in his favor. It'd be like Magneto vs Ironclad or Colossus. And even if she's got a form he can't control directly it wouldn't be a lock for her to win. I'm a fan of Monica and know very little about Dr Light and even I can admit that this is prob a horrible mismatch. If we assume he can control all her forms then the only real hope would be a speedblitz(and I wouldn't be supprized in the slightest if DC gave him lightspeed reflexes when dealing with energy beings).

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is it enough to injure Anti Monitor?

http://imgur.com/a/7hBVf

No, it is not.

lol She even says "I could not have absorb another erg of power." And she was struggling and straining the entire time plus backed up by a freaking who's who of Heralds including your boy Superman. lol

You really think Monica couldn't that with that team as support. lol again

exactly, just like whatever statement was made about the Ray.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Now if only Blue Marvel was someone impressive.

Why I'm shocked that you of all people would find a Marvel character unimpressive. Maybe if his name was Super Blue Marvel Man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He isn't even the most powerful being in Ultimates. Carol is stated above him in the same book.

When she wasn't as powerful as now she was handily beaten by Ms Marvel. Even at full power Iron man has absorbed her twice.

Light absorbs her power easily.

When has Carol even beaten Monica? And what issue was in stated that Carol was above Blue?

As for Ironman he needed Scarlet Witch hax power to absorb Spectrum momentarily, and she still broke free and said that it wouldn't work again.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23641685_499bqe.jpghttp://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23641684_58dy5n.jpghttp://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23674170_spectrumvsironmanscarletwitch3.jpg

How many times have Dr Light been absorbed/trapped inside a GL's battery? And recently killed by heat vision then resurrected. He hasn't shown anything close to his Pre 52 manipulation powers.

Zack M

All feats count for Arthur. When Superman killed him, Dr. Light didn't want to fight.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol She even says "I could not have absorb another erg of power." And she was struggling and straining the entire time plus backed up by a freaking who's who of Heralds including your boy Superman. lol

And she did more damage to him than they did.

No, I don't. She has no showings on that magnitude.

Except those were shown to be true too in that story.

I find marvel characters impressive when they have done something impressive. Just like DC characters.

Starblast 2 IIRC.

Ultimates-2 IIRC. Carol is noted to be the mightiest hero while Adam is present.

That only means his armor was not as powerful as before.

Here Tony straight up beats her.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Fights%20A-F/IronManvsCaptainMarvel05WCAAnnual2.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Fights%20A-F/IronManvsCaptainMarvel06.jpg

And years later straight up absorbs her.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Stats/ClassicBlastingPower11IronAge1.jpg

Are you comparing Hal Jordan to Iron man or Carol Danvers?

laughing out loud

krisblaze

Marvel is also clearly exhausted after that.

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
And she did more damage to him than they did.

No, I don't. She has no showings on that magnitude.

That's not even a big deal in the right context. She was created to stop the Anti-Monitor, so she should be able to hurt him. This is no difference than Drax hurting/killing Thanos who is many times way more powerful than him. But Drax is his specific silver bullet (weakness), so is Female Light to the Anti-monitor provided she receives a massive amp and a squadron of the best Heralds for support. So yeah to use your phrase, I'm not impressed. Or at best its less impressive, and certainly not anything above current Spectrum's abilities in a similar scenario.

This compares nicely with many less heralds. Visibly hurting Galactus and forcing him back.

http://imgur.com/ToXMHbY

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except those were shown to be true too in that story.

Doubtful at best and still doesn't prove much. Who was even on this JLA team with Ray?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I find marvel characters impressive when they have done something impressive. Just like DC characters.

Unbiased posters recognize what Blue Marvel is capable of like stalemating Sentry and beating King Hyperion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Starblast 2 IIRC.

Wrong, most of that comic was Gladiator vs Quasar. Binary and Cap Marvel was on the same side. And Cap Marvel (Monica) absorbed light from Imperial Guard member Manta and then beat her. As far as I know, Carol and Monica have never fought, however they have combined into one being to defeat an enemy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ultimates-2 IIRC. Carol is noted to be the mightiest hero while Adam is present.

Even if true means nothing really. Al Ewing stated that Monica was even more powerful than Blue Marvel. But feats >>>>> statements so not important and irrelevant.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That only means his armor was not as powerful as before.

lol You do realize that your old scans shows a much weaker Monica. They even mentions that Monica was new to the Avengers and didn't even know what Ironman could do. Also she didn't want to hurt him in your scans, and has shut-down his systems w/out even wanting or trying too lol.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23641697_captainmarvelspidermanironman1-620x627_-_Copy.jpghttp://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23641698_captainmarvelspidermanironman2-620x921_-_Copy.jpg

But yeah Tony in much better upgraded armor needed Scarlet Witch's aid and still Spectrum broke free w/out any signs of fatigue or injury. lol @ trying to lowball and show a weaker and very inexperience Monica being absorbed. That's like showing and old scan of the Invisible Woman who could barely use her powers w/out fainting and pretending that modern Sue who has block Galactus attacks with her shields is still at that early very weak level.

If I wanted to low ball I could act like Dr. Light is still at the same level where a parademon could shoot him dead with one shot. lol

http://cdn1us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/article_width/public/squaddrlight.jpg?itok=ZUkHSjjr

And just to reiterate Kang's absorption abilities/tech >>>Ironman's

Monica has easily bypass his shield and fried his circuits.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/64880/3587182-7216696622-Aveng.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/64880/3587181-0022735629-Aveng.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you comparing Hal Jordan to Iron man or Carol Danvers?
laughing out loud

Are you stating that Dr Light can't be overloaded, trapped, or absorbed?

Zack M

I don't think the Drax/Thanos and Dr. Light/Anti-Monitor are the same thing.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
That's not even a big deal in the right context. She was created to stop the Anti-Monitor, so she should be able to hurt him.
Is this a serious argument? She wasn't kryptonite to Anti Monitor.

This is straight making shit up.

Can you show us where Kimiyo is supposed to be kryptonite to Anti Monitor ala Drax vs Thanos?

Could you show us where she managed to do anything remotely as impressive?

This is all talk and no show.

Except Anti Monitor is several magnitude above someone like Galactus.

Try something else.

Bloodwynd aka an amped J'onn, Wonder Woman and Superman was also mentioned as a potential for the most powerful member. Ray was chosen as the most powerful.

Sentry is fluctuating at best. King Hyperion got his shit pushed in by a depowered Juggernaut.

His own creator said he is weaker than Thor.

Wrong again.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Starblast/Issue-1?id=78685

Read the comic.

For that to be effective, Blue Marvel isn't a good enough benchmark. He is dependent on other characters himself for his reputation.

Yeah, she is real competitive with a mid tier Ironman.

Light is transmuting herald level beings like Energy Superman meanwhile.

http://imgur.com/a/A584t

Energy Superman is more powerful than Spectrum by any measure.

Except Endo Sym wasn't that impressive. He straight up said he had no chance against She Hulk in a straight up fight when he has knocked out Shulkie previously with one punch.

Sue has been acknowledged as more powerful than before after Malice incident. Monica isn't.

All of his bad showings are retconned as due to Zatanna mindwiping him.

Proof for this?

Yeah, she has great odds against mid tiered Kang and Iron man. Good luck with that.

By Spectrum? Not a chance.

celeyhyga17

Monica gets raped.
Hello Abhi.

zopzop

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Channelling a power source that has twice as much mass (and all things being equal, has twice as much energy).

Am saying that the two feats are not equal. Channeling the power of a whole chicken, vs a nugget. Or in this case, two nuggets.

Edit: but you're right. Vega is 40 times brighter than our Sun, so it's kicking out 40 times more light energy.
I just looked this up and holy sh|t you're right. Vega is twice the mass of our Sun and has 40 TIMES the energy output!

Dr. Light has to be LEGIT Trans Tier. Jeezus.

Zack M

Originally posted by zopzop
I just looked this up and holy sh|t you're right. Vega is twice the mass of our Sun and has 40 TIMES the energy output!

Dr. Light has to be LEGIT Trans Tier. Jeezus.

So, Arthur/Kimyou stomps?

zopzop

Originally posted by Zack M
So, Arthur/Kimyou stomps?
It was a stomp in his favor before, now it's just spite.

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Monica gets raped.
Hello Abhi.

Your support is rubbish.....is this how you argue with abhi?

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is this a serious argument? She wasn't kryptonite to Anti Monitor.

This is straight making shit up.

Can you show us where Kimiyo is supposed to be kryptonite to Anti Monitor ala Drax vs Thanos?

Do you not even read your own scans? The one you posted, shows Harbinger telling Dr Light, that "The Monitor created you for a purpose." But here is the whole creation of Dr. Light by the Monitor with the clear purpose to stop his brother the Anti-Monitor.

So let me break it down for you even further since you claim I made this up.

By the way all these scans comes from Infinite Crisis #4--#12

Scans 1-2 . It couldn't be anymore clearer that the Monitor uses his machine to create a new warrior powerful enough to aid in stopping his enemy of course later reveal to be the Anti-Monitor. By using an ION ray to take energy from a dying star and give that power to scientist Kimiyo ala female Dr Light is born.

Scan 3 . More confirmation that The Monitor purposely created Dr Light to stop his rival.

Scan 4 . Kimiyo even tells Superman, that only she can save them from the Anti-Monitor.

Scan 5. This is the clincher on this point if one was even needed. The Anti-Monitor tells Dr Light, ... My brother created you, didn't he.? Her response, "He did it so I would destroy you. And I intend to carry out his last wishes.

Scan 6. The very one you already posted, Harbinger again confirms Dr. Light purpose, which is being created by the Monitor to stop his brother.

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846748_drlight.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846749_drlight2.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846750_drlight3.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846751_drlight4.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846752_drlight5.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846753_drlight6.jpg

So exactly what did I make up? Don't accuse me of something b/c you fail basic comprehension that was spelled out time and time again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Starblast/Issue-1?id=78685

Read the comic.

Unfortunately for you I did. First you said it was Starblast Issue 2, but they did fight in Issue 1, although as usually you left out a bunch of context. Monica was so depowered that she couldn't even fire a energy blast. Then she was being mind controlled by some alien worm. Lastly Carol was in Binary form for the whole fight. So basically an irrelevant battle with the right context applied, a depowered Monica vs an amped Carol which doesn't represent Spectrum current power level at all.

Your low-balling, misrepresentations, and lack of comprehension isn't worth a response anymore.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant

Do you not even read your own scans? The one you posted, shows Harbinger telling Dr Light, that "The Monitor created you for a purpose." But here is the whole creation of Dr. Light by the Monitor with the clear purpose to stop his brother the Anti-Monitor.

So let me break it down for you even further since you claim I made this up.

By the way all these scans comes from Infinite Crisis #4--#12

Scans 1-2 . It couldn't be anymore clearer that the Monitor uses his machine to create a new warrior powerful enough to aid in stopping his enemy of course later reveal to be the Anti-Monitor. By using an ION ray to take energy from a dying star and give that power to scientist Kimiyo ala female Dr Light is born.

Scan 3 . More confirmation that The Monitor purposely created Dr Light to stop his rival.

Scan 4 . Kimiyo even tells Superman, that only she can save them from the Anti-Monitor.

Scan 5. This is the clincher on this point if one was even needed. The Anti-Monitor tells Dr Light, ... My brother created you, didn't he.? Her response, "He did it so I would destroy you. And I intend to carry out his last wishes.

Scan 6. The very one you already posted, Harbinger again confirms Dr. Light purpose, which is being created by the Monitor to stop his brother.

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846748_drlight.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846749_drlight2.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846750_drlight3.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846751_drlight4.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846752_drlight5.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35846753_drlight6.jpg

So exactly what did I make up? Don't accuse me of something b/c you fail basic comprehension that was spelled out time and time again.

She was created to stop him as she could absorb the power from the sun he was powered up. She wasn't inherently anymore dangerous to him than anyone else.

This is just laughable.

Wut? She blasted Hyperion with no problem. Carol even says that her powers are back.

Monica wasn't Depowered. Binary was beaten by Gladiator in the same arc.

You're acting like Binary is some kind of trans tier character.

I will take your concession at this point.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your support is rubbish.....?
So is ure thought process.

Arthur may be a better overall energy manipulator. Monica has a history of her energies getting manipulated.

Controls "all light".
http://i.imgur.com/HDHcfM4.png

Controlling the entire em spectrum. Owns energy supers.
http://i.imgur.com/UKW02FM.png
http://i.imgur.com/AXiJ9n6.png

Drains the Ray.
http://i.imgur.com/VRWb8s1.png

Absorbs different energies from the Titans.
http://i.imgur.com/eYIujlo.png
http://i.imgur.com/QKWUJ0w.png

Even messes with godly lightning.
http://i.imgur.com/34KrqqP.png

Sin I AM

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So is ure thought process.

Arthur may be a better overall energy manipulator. Monica has a history of her energies getting manipulated.

Controls "all light".
http://i.imgur.com/HDHcfM4.png

Controlling the entire em spectrum. Owns energy supers.
http://i.imgur.com/UKW02FM.png
http://i.imgur.com/AXiJ9n6.png

Drains the Ray.
http://i.imgur.com/VRWb8s1.png

Absorbs different energies from the Titans.
http://i.imgur.com/eYIujlo.png
http://i.imgur.com/QKWUJ0w.png

Even messes with godly lightning.
http://i.imgur.com/34KrqqP.png

thumb up

apologies for doubting you. How powerful is Ray?

krisblaze

Ray shat on lobo

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was created to stop him as she could absorb the power from the sun he was powered up. She wasn't inherently anymore dangerous to him than anyone else.

This is just laughable.

So now you finally state she was created to stop him. Which was the exact point you accuse me of making up. lol Pretty sad really and she already proven to be more dangerous to him than most by being able to absorb a power source he was using and turn it against him. lol

So you are force to come to the realization of what I said, even though you claim I was making it up. And once again you leave out major context.

Alexander Luthor was directly draining the Antimonitor, all the other heroes there were attacking to make the Antimonitor use energy and run interference. Dr. Light simple drain his power source, and then after the Antimonitor had fallen and was weaken, she release the energy from the sun she absorbed back at him.

Again not as impressive as you tried to make it out to be. Havok could replicate that.

lol again your come back is that

Which is what you accuse me of making up. So the scans I showed compel you to accept that Dr Light was created by the Monitor to in fact stop the Anti-Montior, yet you sadly attempted to pretend that I conceded.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? She blasted Hyperion with no problem. Carol even says that her powers are back.

Monica wasn't Depowered. Binary was beaten by Gladiator in the same arc.

You're acting like Binary is some kind of trans tier character.

I will take your concession at this point.

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/35848866_monicadepowered.jpg laughing

She was clearly depowered. Monica never even turned into her light form which she uses in all of fights. lol She even complains about not being able to discharge energy like before. The fact that a weaken and mind controlled Monica stunned Hyperion, shows how power. More misrepresentation by you, Binary is an amped Carol, no question about that. Monica was mind controlled, depowered, never used her energy form, and was not close to operating at the current level of Spectrum.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
So now you finally state she was created to stop him. Which was the exact point you accuse me of making up. lol Pretty sad really and she already proven to be more dangerous to him than most by being able to absorb a power source he was using and turn it against him. lol

So you are force to come to the realization of what I said, even though you claim I was making it up. And once again you leave out major context.

This is some hilarious logic. So just because she was given power by Monitor, she suddenly became Anti Monitor kryptonite?

Do you even know what you're talking about or is it sheer stubbornness at this point?

Yes, which hurts him more than the heroes combined at the point. It wasn't because she was his silver bullet. It was because she was that powerful.

Why don't you post a similar feat from Havok?

Yes, he made her that powerful. You seem to miss that point entirely.

She was clearly depowered. Monica never even turned into her light form which she uses in all of fights. lol She even complains about not being able to discharge energy like before. The fact that a weaken and mind controlled Monica stunned Hyperion, shows how power. More misrepresentation by you, Binary is an amped Carol, no question about that. Monica was mind controlled, depowered, never used her energy form, and was not close to operating at the current level of Spectrum.

This is some hilarious tantrum. Carol states that Monica has regained her power.

https://s6.postimg.org/hajbgw2gd/RC021.jpg

But tell us again how powerful Monica is and how she is going to beat Light who has already beaten characters far more powerful than her.

leonidas

monica wins.

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is some hilarious logic. So just because she was given power by Monitor, she suddenly became Anti Monitor kryptonite?

Do you even know what you're talking about or is it sheer stubbornness at this point?

Yes, which hurts him more than the heroes combined at the point. It wasn't because she was his silver bullet. It was because she was that powerful.

I don't even understand your argument or bringing up kryptonite. My entire point which you finally conceded too was that K Light was created to stop AM, just like Drax was created to stop Thanos. They were both created to stop someone way more powerful than themselves. And she wasn't that powerful, that's why she had to amp plus have all those heroes engage the Anti-Monitor, plus have Alex Luthor drained him. She just finished off an already beaten and severely weaken opponent.

If she was so powerful, than she wouldn't have been one-shotted by a reluctant Supergirl.

I'll do even better than that, Havok abilities too the fullest would actually be the power to create a star.

https://s8.postimg.org/gnv19aymt/havoks-powers.jpg

Do you even know what depowered means? It doesn't mean one is powerless, it means one is not operating at their normal standard of power.

Even in the scan you posted Monica is wearing a breathing device. lol Monica can easily turn into whatever energy she wishes, she doesn't need aid to survive in space. lol That would tell anyone who is using common sense that she is not fully restored. Plus she was being mind controlled, plus it was Binary she was fighting. lol It easy to see she was depowered not fighting close to her normal capabilities, never used her energy form or absorption or anything other than some routine energy blast.

Spectrum has defeated and absorbed beings more powerful than Dr. Light. And she is more versatile, able to split herself into many different pieces each with the ability to act independently.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant

I don't even understand your argument or bringing up kryptonite. My entire point which you finally conceded too was that K Light was created to stop AM, just like Drax was created to stop Thanos.

So simply stubbornness at this point? Drax was created to stop Thanos and he gains more power when near Thanos under at least writer.

Kimiyo was just that powerful to stop Anti Monitor and is always that powerful.

This is getting tiresome.

Anti Monitor was still vastly more powerful than KAL-L and Superboy Prime as noted by Darkseid.

You again forget what is actually important and focus on trivial things.

Physical durability isn't her best trait. Just like Monica getting oneshot by Spider-Man in her human form.

That's just Havok saying he will become a star. He has done nothing to show he is that powerful.

Do you even read the scans you post?

And Binary notes she is at full power.

You're again not reading the scans already posted.

Do ud both a favor and read them before making any claims.

I'm still waiting for these victory scans. All you've done in this thread is whining and bitching like no tomorrow.

zopzop

Look at all this useless back and forth. Dr. Light was channeling the power of a star twice the size of our Sun with 40 times it's energy output.

/Thread

Zack M

Its seems like Arthur has better energy manipulation too.

zopzop

Originally posted by Zack M
Its seems like Arthur has better energy manipulation too.
Yup. He's more versatile and far and away more powerful.

abhilegend

And even Legacy has defeated her by manipulating her light form.

http://s6.postimg.org/rxhq01zzh/Avengers_Unplugged_05_15.jpg

She doesn't has a prayer in this fight.

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
And even Legacy has defeated her by manipulating her light form.

http://s6.postimg.org/rxhq01zzh/Avengers_Unplugged_05_15.jpg

She doesn't has a prayer in this fight.

laughing

When I think your misrepresentation can't go any lower. Again you don't even read the context of your own scans. Monica was being mind-controlled by the Controller. Earlier she had already koed Genis Vell by manipulating the energy inside his anti-matter field.

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35860557_3766722-3029376711-33847.jpg

lol Back to your scan, Monica is trying but failing to resist the Controller, that's why she states, "please let it be enough." She wants Genis Vell to defeat her and break the Controller's control. lol

But anyways as I'm been trying to inform you, Monica has upgraded like 4 times since then. You and some others especially need to read the Mighty Avengers where Blue Marvel infused Monica with photons that substantially increased her power. Or at least skim through Ultimates 1 or 2 before embarrassing yourselves any further.

Its so funny people hyping up manipulating the energy of one sun/star when Monica in the Ultimates 2 absorbed the energies of Capt Marvel plus Blue Marvel to channel a big bang that powered the egg to turn Galactus into the lifebringer. Yes Monica can channel the energies of a big bang, and people in the thread have been going crazy over a star lol.

There are a number of things Spectrum has done that I haven't even mentioned. Its surprising the amount to people that comment on things without even having a clue of the current status of a character. Its actually quite amusing.

For instance current Spectrum doesn't even have a physical body anymore and she recently beat an being of pure thought on the astral plane. And we all know how scared Dr Light is of mind-phuckery. She also merged with Blue Marvel, but was the dominant one in control. At the very least that shows she is capable of completely absorbing other herald level energy users. lol But heat vision alone kills Dr Light lol.

DarkSaint85

New 52Light has like zero feats. So I'm using pre 52, as per forum rules.

Cap Marvel and Blue Marvel? How powerful are they again? You'll have to put it into measurements of nukes - that recent Secret Empire scan would be useful here laughing out loud

The star feat is being hyped because it's directly measurable. Vega kicks out 40 times more light than our Sun.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
laughing

zopzop

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The star feat is being hyped because it's directly measurable. Vega kicks out 40 times more light than our Sun.
This is correct but it goes over the head of most forum members (myself included until I looked up what exactly it means).

When people say "Vega is 40 times more luminous (aka brighter) than the Sun" what they are actually saying is "Vega's energy output is 40 times that of our Sun" :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminosity

Dr. Light is crazy powerful.

Zack M

Where does it state Vega is 40 times that of our sun? Or twice as powerful? I can't find it.

-Pr-

Why is Kimiyo even being mentioned in this thread?

zopzop

Originally posted by Zack M
Where does it state Vega is 40 times that of our sun? Or twice as powerful? I can't find it.
Vega is twice the size of our Sun and has 40 times it's luminosity : Vega facts . Most people don't understand what 'luminosity' is. It's a measure of how much energy a star/galaxy/etc.. is outputing. Vega outputs 40 TIMES as much energy as our Sun.

EcstaticGrace

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by -Pr-
Why is Kimiyo even being mentioned in this thread?

Because she has more power than Spectrum, has largely the same powerset....

And Arthur beat her.

Sure, she was holding back, being a hero and all. But at least we have a baseline for Arthur.

Spectrum hasn't met someone like him before. Whereas Arthur has.

-Pr-

Oh, that.

I don't put much stock in that, but I suppose it's not completely irrelevant.

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by zopzop
I just looked this up and holy sh|t you're right.

thumb up

darthgoober

Question, does Dr. Light channel power equal to the total power of Vega or does he simply channel the power of Vega as in use it as a power source? Cause the former is WAY impressive while the latter doesn't really mean all that much. I mean Quasar channels the power of the Quantum Zone(a source of infinite energy) and a user of the Mind Gem is channeling the power of the collective unconscious of the entire universe. Point is, the amount of power that can be channeled at one time is far more important than the power source.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Godly lightning? I might be mistaken but didn't Monica give Zeus trouble..?
Shhh..

zopzop

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Godly lightning? I might be mistaken but didn't Monica give Zeus trouble..?
She actually didn't :
https://s13.postimg.org/3o1o22cmb/av284_18b.jpg https://s13.postimg.org/vcob9kzmr/av284_19.jpg https://s13.postimg.org/ubo2kgin7/av284_20a.jpg

Want to see who really hurt him?
https://s28.postimg.org/ll45rvoax/0b9_JAIL.png

Zack M

Seeing as Arthur easily took control of Superman Blue, im going with him.

Supermutant

Originally posted by zopzop
She actually didn't :
https://s13.postimg.org/3o1o22cmb/av284_18b.jpg https://s13.postimg.org/vcob9kzmr/av284_19.jpg https://s13.postimg.org/ubo2kgin7/av284_20a.jpg

Nice scans thumb up

They show a less powerful Monica being unaffected by a skyfather's attack, and hurting him more than any mortal ever had before.

zopzop

Originally posted by Supermutant
Nice scans thumb up

They show a less powerful Monica being unaffected by a skyfather's attack, and hurting him more than any mortal ever had before.
Except that was only Thor speculating about the attack. Zeus didn't even flinch. I showed you a scan of a mortal hurting Zeus more than he has ever been hurt by a mortal, to the point of making him cry out in pain (something even Thor couldn't do to him). Here's a hint, it wasn't Monica.

Supermutant

Originally posted by zopzop
Except that was only Thor speculating about the attack. Zeus didn't even flinch. I showed you a scan of a mortal hurting Zeus more than he has ever been hurt by a mortal, to the point of making him cry out in pain (something even Thor couldn't do to him). Here's a hint, it wasn't Monica.

Not exactly as Monica did hurt Zeus even making him momentarily stop his attack on Thor.

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35863847_MonicahurtsSkyfather.jpg

But the Ebony Blade did cause Zeus more harm by absorbing and redirecting his attack back at him.

The main point is just like I said, a weaker Monica hurt a skyfather. Again nice scans. thumb up

zopzop

Originally posted by Supermutant
Not exactly as Monica did hurt Zeus even making him momentarily stop his attack on Thor.

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/35863847_MonicahurtsSkyfather.jpg

But the Ebony Blade did cause Zeus more harm by absorbing and redirecting his attack back at him.

The main point is just like I said, a weaker Monica hurt a skyfather. Again nice scans. thumb up

I don't blame you for clinging to this non feat in order to delude yourself into thinking Monica has any chance in hell vs Dr. Light.

Meanwhile :
http://www.boysjoys.com/content/kids/images/starsm1.JPG
whistling

Supermutant

Not clinging too anything just showing you where you were wrong.

lol the whole sun business is funny. But show me where Dr Light either of them amped or drain the power of a sun while being engaged in a fight? And how would that even help them against someone who has easily turn into heat energy. lol Monica would be like thanks for the power up bro. lol

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/23641738_ultravioletnova.jpghttp://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/23641739_ultravioletnova2.jpg laughing

http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/23656438_2597069-photon_petawatt.jpg laughing

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23656422_gammaraylazer.jpg laughing

Zack M

Arthur is an energy being, too. Same with Kimiyo.

-Pr-

Originally posted by Zack M
Arthur is an energy being, too. Same with Kimiyo.

What do you mean by energy being? Has Kimiyo appeared in the New 52?

Zack M

Arthur died. In the last deathstroke issue, he said that he's just an energy being with a conscious, or something. He's turned into pure energy before, too.

-Pr-

Originally posted by Zack M
Arthur died. In the last deathstroke issue, he said that he's just an energy being with a conscious, or something. He's turned into pure energy before, too.

I know about most of Arthur's stuff. I was asking about Kimiyo, though.

-K-M-

She hasn't appeared yet

-Pr-

Originally posted by -K-M-
She hasn't appeared yet

Okay, thanks.

You would think a female Japanese scientist superhero would be ripe for the picking in today's comics, but apparently not.

darthgoober

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, thanks.

You would think a female Japanese scientist superhero would be ripe for the picking in today's comics, but apparently not.
It's not hip to be asian... they don't support the narrative that the system is inherently rigged against minorities because so many of them are successful.

-Pr-

Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not hip to be asian... they don't support the narrative that the system is inherently rigged against minorities because so many of them are successful.

Actually yeah, you're right. Oh well.

I guess I'll have to wait even longer for her, Reddy and Geo-Force to make their proper returns.

darthgoober

Originally posted by -Pr-
Actually yeah, you're right. Oh well.

I guess I'll have to wait even longer for her, Reddy and Geo-Force to make their proper returns.
Honestly, in some people's eyes we're viewed as being part of the problem.

-Pr-

Originally posted by darthgoober
Honestly, in some people's eyes we're viewed as being part of the problem.

So... I either forgot, or never knew you were Asian. messed

If I forgot, don't take it personally. I forget tons of shit I don't mean to.

krisblaze

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, thanks.

You would think a female Japanese scientist superhero would be ripe for the picking in today's comics, but apparently not.

The social justice whatevers absolutely -hate- asian women.

-Pr-

Originally posted by krisblaze
The social justice whatevers absolutely -hate- asian women.

That's sad.

darthgoober

Originally posted by -Pr-
So... I either forgot, or never knew you were Asian. messed

If I forgot, don't take it personally. I forget tons of shit I don't mean to.
No worries, I honestly don't know that it's ever come up in all my time on KMC. But yeah, I'm part Chinese... that's why I'm smarter than all you white folks stick out tongue

krisblaze

Originally posted by darthgoober
No worries, I honestly don't know that it's ever come up in all my time on KMC. But yeah, I'm part Chinese... that's why I'm smarter than all you white folks stick out tongue

糞

-Pr-

Far as the thread goes, I am really wary of how people might try to use Kimiyo's outlier as some sort of proof of Arthur's superiority.

celeyhyga17

Vega >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sun

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
She basically suckerpunched him when he had no idea who she was.

In a straight up fight he overpowered her straight up.

Controller does not lessens the power of his victim.

You sure make excuse for everything.

She manipulated the energy inside of a anti-matter particle force-field created by nega bands, which is very impressive. And she was actively trying to resist the Controller's influence, and wanted Legacy to win to set her free from the Controller.

Its called context, not excuses you should try applying it some time. And its common sense that characters do not fight as they normally due under mind control. Its definitely not a low showing like you were attempting to make it out to be.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've read it all. Blue Marvel increased her power temporarily. Her powers are the same as always.

These kinds of power ups are always temporary. Otherwise Iron man would be skyfather level in how many times he has upgraded his suite.

This is just false. Show any proof at all where Blue Marvel's upgrade to Monica has gone away. She has kept it for over a year and still has it. Iron man is completely irrelevant, Monica's upgrade change her molecular structure and not some tech/armor that she wears.

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23674164_spectrumtotalrecallmemory.jpghttp://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/23646227_spectrumbig.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend

Whoa, Big Bang? Way to go with hyperbole mate.

Lifebringer doesn't has power of a big bang.

Here you go again attempting to misrepresent. I never said Galactus has the power of a big bang, I did say that Monica was able to channel the energy of a big bang by absorbing Blue Marvel and Capt Marvel's energy (along with BP's tech) "an almost inconceivable amount of raw energy."

http://s7d7.turboimagehost.com/t/35883719_SpectrumabsorbingCarolBransherblast.jpghttp://s7d7.turboimagehost.com/t/35883720_SpectrumabsorbingCarolBransherblast2.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dr Light is a being of pure energy too.

And if you did anymore mental gymnastics like Monica beating a psychic and Light being Mind wiped by Zatanna, you would break your back.

Give me one herald level fight with Monica. Just one.

Dr. Light both of them still have a vulnerable physical form, Monica doesn't have a physical form anymore. And beating a being of pure thought on the astral plane is a good feat. The only mental gymnastics going on in this thread is that shooting solar energy at a being that has turned into a huge electromagnetic storm wouldn't do anything but amp said being. Doesn't matter if is the Vega Sun or the largest star ever created, which just give Monica a bigger amp. lol

http://s5d3.turboimagehost.com/t/23655824_2615064-avengersv1_260_14.jpg

For your herald challenge easy enough, here's Monica one shotting Magneto. He didn't regain consciousness until the fight between the Xmen and Avengers were almost over. Not many character can get pass Magneto's shield and 1 shot ko him. And this is way before the Spectrum upgrade.

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35883686_monicavsmagneto3.jpghttps://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35883675_monicafast.jpg

And regarding Binary vs Depowered Monica the following puts this issue to rest. Monica again states that she cannot turn into energy like she used too. And this is after Starblast #2 so during her fight with Binary she was still depowered. Another misrepresentation by you, and anyways Binary would destroy K Light.

http://s7d8.turboimagehost.com/t/35883672_monicacantturnintoenergy.jpg

Supermutant

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because she has more power than Spectrum.

No way K. Light is more powerful than Spectrum. laughing

Zack M

According to the latest deathstroke issue, Arthur doesn't have a physical form.

Supermutant

Originally posted by Zack M
According to the latest deathstroke issue, Arthur doesn't have a physical form.

If using the new 52 version, you also have to acknowledge his death from heat vision.

Zack M

He wasn't trying to battle superman. Plus, his powers were wonky.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant

She manipulated the energy inside of a anti-matter particle force-field created by nega bands, which is very impressive. And she was actively trying to resist the Controller's influence, and wanted Legacy to win to set her free from the Controller.

And she still got her ass handed to her by Legacy.

Its not a low showing, its just how she operates and what level she is.

Her being mindcontrolled doesn't means she was operating at less than full power.

Why would someone try to prove a negative? Onus is on you to prove it stayed.

The upgrades like those never stick. Just like Iron Man.

That's not a big bang kiddo. Its just another way of describing energy blast.

He wouldn't shoot solar blasts at Monica though. Just absorb all her power.

It was due to his shield being vulnerable to certain wavelengths of radiation. Nothing to do with raw power or beating a herald.

ermm

Your scans is not working.

Its not like when she was in energy form she got her ass handed to her by Legacy.

And Avengers Unplugged was AFTER Starblast where she could transform into energy form.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
No way K. Light is more powerful than Spectrum. laughing

Of course she is.

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
And she still got her ass handed to her by Legacy.

Its not a low showing, its just how she operates and what level she is.

Her being mindcontrolled doesn't means she was operating at less than full power.

I don't know why you think a much weaker and mind controlled version of Monica losing to someone with nega-bands, that she had previously defeated with one attack is helping your case. Cause its not. Plus she wanted him to win, to help her break free of the Controller.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would someone try to prove a negative? Onus is on you to prove it stayed.

The upgrades like those never stick. Just like Iron Man.

You are the one claiming that her upgrades were temporary and now gone. So are you admitting that you are just making things up hoping something sticks because that's what it sounds like. So you have no evidence to support your claim.lol Anyways I've already proven that she still has them, and its been over a year like the scan indicated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not a big bang kiddo. Its just another way of describing energy blast.

You missed the point again. The point was to show that Spectrum can absorb an almost unlimited amount of energy easily.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wouldn't shoot solar blasts at Monica though. Just absorb all her power.

I was clearly referring to K Light. Which is still funny considering that the whole sun thing is a non combat feat and means nothing against Monica but an amp.
Plus it was clearly a one time highest showing feat for her as she has never demonstrated that kind of power since.

Of course Dr Light would try to absorb her its the only chance he has. Too bad for him that Spectrum has absorbed far greater than him, and the only time that Monica as Spectrum was absorbed (took Ironman plus Scarlet Witch) she soon thereafter was able to free herself.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was due to his shield being vulnerable to certain wavelengths of radiation. Nothing to do with raw power or beating a herald.

Doesn't matter if it was raw power or not she 1-shotted Mag freaking Nee-toe. Talk about mental gymnastics to try and downplay a highly impressive feat. And it did take raw power as well even after bypassing his shield, she still had to put him down.

By the way since I accepted your challenge, who has K Light beaten at the herald level, one on one?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your scans is not working.

Its not like when she was in energy form she got her ass handed to her by Legacy.

And Avengers Unplugged was AFTER Starblast where she could transform into energy form.

My scan works fine, just like the other scans. And this scan even has a note that Monica didn't get her energy transforming powers back until Starblast #2. The fight with Binary took place in Starblast #1, you were the one who posted the link. And Binary just assume Monica had her powers back b/c she shot some routine energy blasts at her. Binary had no way of knowing for a fact the power level of Monica.

And again this fight means nothing, Monica who has turn into a freaking huge electro-magnetic storm that Hercules and Black Knight was in awe of. Had to wear a oxygen mask lol and couldn't even transform into her nigh invulnerable, intangible, light speed, and very versatile energy form. And this was Binary, who would destroy K Light and beat Arthur.

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by Supermutant
If using the new 52 version, you also have to acknowledge his death from heat vision.

He could go light form even before 52.

Supermutant

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He could go light form even before 52.

Where did I say he couldn't?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course she is.

Deadshot guns her down lol, but she is more powerful than a being of pure energy.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35884595_deadshotshootsdrlight.jpg

And you try to lowball with nega bands, mind control, and Binary, when the above happen to K Light. laughing

DarkSaint85

Where did I say you did? Lol.

My point was, it was moot. If your only rebuttal to Zack was that he was using new 52 (and thus, should take the rough with the smooth), then we can just use pre 52, and Zack's point would be the same - that he has alight form.

Supermutant

And we still take the rough with the smooth with whatever version. Not sure how that changes anything other than of course that Dr Light had way better feats before.

leonidas

Originally posted by -Pr-
laughing out loud

Far as the thread goes, I am really wary of how people might try to use Kimiyo's outlier as some sort of proof of Arthur's superiority.

lol you think....?

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
Where did I say he couldn't?

Deadshot guns her down lol, but she is more powerful than a being of pure energy.

https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/35884595_deadshotshootsdrlight.jpg

And you try to lowball with nega bands, mind control, and Binary, when the above happen to K Light. laughing

She was in human form.

Spider-Man has bitchslapped Monica unconscious if we are playing that card. We are specifically talking about the powered up form of each character here.

Surtur

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Dr Light rapes.

laughing

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was in human form.

Spider-Man has bitchslapped Monica unconscious if we are playing that card. We are specifically talking about the powered up form of each character here.

K Light rarely used her energy form in fights. Both Black Adam and Supergirl have casually 1-shotted her.

And lol at even bringing up Spider-man, who Monica basically nonchalantly one-shotted with just an energy blast in her very first comic appearance. Also, she was trying to get help from the Avengers to control her powers so she wouldn't explode, and kill everyone in the city. And Spiderman even mentions that she was using her powers sparingly b/c you know she didn't want to kill everyone.

Context again has defeated you.

https://peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2014/05/enter-new-captain-marvel.html

So you tried to compare Monica in her first appearance where she is severely holding back so she wont kill everyone, to the very last time IIRC that K Light is seen in a comic. laughing

And then you state "if we are playing that card," which is beyond hilarious b/c you have been trying to lowball Monica from the beginning.

The bottom line is that K Light hasn't beaten anyone herald level or that even matters in an actual 1 on 1 fight. Her only real claim to fame is a non-combat feat that only matters for respect threads.

Spectrum can do everything she can plus more except Spectrum does it easier.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
K Light rarely used her energy form in fights. Both Black Adam and Supergirl have casually 1-shotted her.

Irrelevant. We are not talking about her physical powers.

Yes, because that somehow negates Spider-Man oneshotting her in her human form.

Way to go. Should I start posting how many times she has been beaten in her physical form? Even Vision defeated her recently.

You can always dream about that. And Kimiyo isn't here. It's Arthur Light in the thread who is much more powerful and skilled than Kimiyo.

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
Irrelevant. We are not talking about her physical powers.

lol Very relevant as you have repeatedly littered this thread with scans where Monica mostly only had physical powers. Plus again K. Light rarely used an energy form and has been defeated by being koed physically numerous times. K Light is way more likely to fight while keeping her physical form anyways, the outlier is her energy form.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, because that somehow negates Spider-Man oneshotting her in her human form.

lol But look above at your statement "we are not talking about her physical powers." Anyway, Monica casually one shotted Spider-man before she stopped using most of her brand new powers for fear of killing everyone in the city. A rookie Monica greatly holding back for fear of losing control, has no bearing on this match, just another desparate attempt to low ball.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Way to go. Should I start posting how many times she has been beaten in her physical form? Even Vision defeated her recently.

again lol Please go right ahead waste your time and post previous irrelevant physical confrontations of Monica. Current Spectrum has been a non physical being for years, she's not even human anymore.

http://s7d7.turboimagehost.com/t/35892121_spectrum--astral_plane_2.jpg

And regarding Vision my context sense is tingling.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can always dream about that. And Kimiyo isn't here. It's Arthur Light in the thread who is much more powerful and skilled than Kimiyo.

The ironic thing is that it was you who first brought up K Light in this thread. You pushed this false narrative that K Light was more powerful than Spectrum, then some gullible others took that and ran with it about an one time non combat feat involving the Vega star. Now after I have clearly debunked all of your lowballing and misrepresentations, now that I have proven how K Light has not beaten any other heralds or anyone one worth mentioning, now that her normal/standard level of power have been proven to be no where close to the Vega Star feat, lol now you don't want to talk about K Light anymore. This is priceless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He casually drained Kimiyo and The Ray who both have better feats than Spectrum in every way.

So if you didn't want to talk about K. Light maybe you shouldn't have brought her up. Still waiting on her feats that are way better than Spectrum, still waiting on one fight where K. Light beat someone on the level of Magneto.

DarkSaint85

Kimiyo DOES have a feat that's better than Monica.

She channels the power of Vega. All the time (not just once). It's literally the source of her power, IIRC. It's not a one time thing - it's like Animal Man and the Red, or Swamp Thing and the Green.

And it's objectively more power than the Sun, which is what has been shown from Monica.

Supermutant

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Kimiyo DOES have a feat that's better than Monica.

She channels the power of Vega. All the time (not just once). It's literally the source of her power, IIRC. It's not a one time thing - it's like Animal Man and the Red, or Swamp Thing and the Green.

And it's objectively more power than the Sun, which is what has been shown from Monica.

lol no Vega gave K Light her power to control energy just like energy from a dimensional black hole gave Monica her powers. I could just as easier claim that Monica powers came from a black hole. The whole point is though that it doesn't matter where the power come from, K Light has never shown no where close to that level of power again. She hasn't beaten one herald level character one on one. Not only that, she stop using her powers for over two years, and has retired a couple of times.

It simply a respect thread feat with zero showing in actual combat. Trying to make it into anything else is laughable.

And the main thing is that current Spectrum is at her highest level of power since the Blue Marvel upgraded while the last time we saw K Light she was getting shot by a bullet. lol I guess bullet >>>> Vega Super Star

DarkSaint85

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol no Vega gave K Light her power to control energy just like energy from a dimensional black hole gave Monica her powers. I could just as easier claim that Monica powers came from a black hole. The whole point is though that it doesn't matter where the power come from, K Light has never shown no where close to that level of power again. She hasn't beaten one herald level character one on one. Not only that, she stop using her powers for over two years, and has retired a couple of times.

It simply a respect thread feat with zero showing in actual combat. Trying to make it into anything else is laughable.

And the main thing is that current Spectrum is at her highest level of power since the Blue Marvel upgraded while the last time we saw K Light she was getting shot by a bullet. lol I guess bullet >>>> Vega Super Star

All of this equates to:

Show me a feat where K Light is > Spectrum.

*Feat shown*

Oh I didn't mean that. That's a feat but I want more.

You asked for it. It was shown.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Very relevant as you have repeatedly littered this thread with scans where Monica mostly only had physical powers. Plus again K. Light rarely used an energy form and has been defeated by being koed physically numerous times. K Light is way more likely to fight while keeping her physical form anyways, the outlier is her energy form.

I've shown Spectrum losing in her light form. Not human form.

Yeah, beating spidey is such a herald level feat. And getting drained by Iron Man too in the same issue.

I know. Hence why she will get manipulated by Arthur just like Energy Superman.

Read Vision 11.

I brought up Kimiyo because she has better feats than Spectrum.

Ok? She oneshots Firestorm.

https://s6.postimg.org/yiwqoosj1/Justice_League_of_America_033_2009_digital-_Em.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/s7rj89ral/Justice_League_of_America_034_2009_digital-_Em.jpg

And siphoned enough power from Starbreaker that a bullet could kill him. He was stated to have more power than a thousand suns and an adult sun eater.

https://s6.postimg.org/5hsefa831/Justice_League_of_America_034_2009_digital-_Em.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/5kca24bql/Justice_League_of_America_034_2009_digital-_Em.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/wjg4x9y7h/Justice_League_of_America_034_2009_digital-_Em.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/847ww7zal/Justice_League_of_America_034_2009_digital-_Em.jpg https://s6.postimg.org/azl0333al/Justice_League_of_America_034_2009_digital-_Em.jpg

Is that suffice for you?

HandOfFate

Monica upped her game

https://s26.postimg.org/xfzg3xxq1/Absolute_Zero.jpg

She even has some form of EM telepathy

https://s26.postimg.org/rt336gv7d/EM_Link.jpg

Zack M

Thats cute. Kimiyo absorbed energy from STARBREAKER.

Supermutant

Originally posted by Zack M
Thats cute. Kimiyo absorbed energy from STARBREAKER.

sigh I don't why people tend to leave out major context with these things. Don't worry I'll provide the truth momentarily. Not only was GL John absorbing energy with his ring, but so was Firestorm, plus Icon and Vixen and Zatanna was also fighting Starbreaker.

And Starbreaker had already drained kimiyo and tossed her away before all the help arrived.

Oh yeah Hardware was also there and had upgraded Kimiyo gear with nanocollectors to help her absorb the energy.

lol the misrepresentations going on in this thread is crazy

Zack M

She was still siphoning energy from him. Someone who is way above Spectrum.

Supermutant

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All of this equates to:

Show me a feat where K Light is > Spectrum.

*Feat shown*

Oh I didn't mean that. That's a feat but I want more.

You asked for it. It was shown.

First even with that 1 Vega Star feat, the Antimonitor was already using that star to feed his power. We have no clue to how much of that Star, K Light actually absorbed.

Secondly, Monica even in her weaker days as Cap Marvel, Photon, Pulsar has turned completely into a huge electro--magnetic storm that left Hercules in awe, or heat energy, or even sun light as when she killed every vampire in New Orleans at light speed. How does absorbing a star makes her better than someone who has turned into a star? lol

Thirdly again its a non combat feat. K Light doesn't go around blasting her opponents with Vega Star power, she has not even beaten one herald level character one on one. Shadow Thief stabbed her in the back and koed her. The freaking Royal Jobber Gang made her flee from the light weapons they were using against her. lol She has never shown that level of power in her fights.

Fourthly I already posted a scan of Spectrum having the ability to absorb an almost infinite amount of energy as described by Black Panther. And even in her very first appearance she was able to absorb the energies of a black hole.

Finally this is another example of why Monica is more powerful and wins against her without great difficulty.

K Light while using her rare light form and her powers, plus while flying at lightspeed was instantly stopped and trapped by a cloud of ultracooled atoms.

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35900556_drlightcooledatoms.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35900557_drlightcooledatoms2.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35900558_drlightcooledatoms3.jpg

Now HandofFate stole my thunder, but it worth reposting what Spectrum just did to the extremely durable Maker.

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/35900608_monicaabsolutezeroenergycompletelyfirst.jpghttps://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/35900607_monicaabsolutezeroenergycompletely.jpg

That's right she turned into absolute zero as Ultimate Stark puts it "the absence of molecular motion." So K Light has already been stopped cold by this type of attack pun intended and Spectrum has done it effortlessly.

At this point to continue with K Light is more powerful or would win against current Spectrum is just ridiculousness.

abhilegend

Ultra cool atoms are a little bit different than absorbing energy to create absolute zero temperature.

Even captain cold can do that.

Supermutant

Originally posted by Zack M
She was still siphoning energy from him. Someone who is way above Spectrum.

The stubbornness here is almost unbelievable. Yeah she was only able to siphon that energy b/c of Green Lantern John, and Firestorm, and Icon, Zatanna, Vixen keeping Starbreaker busy plus Hardware and she still needed tech upgraded from Hardware.

Guess who she doesn't have in this fight against Spectrum. GL John, Firestorm, Icon, Zatanna, Vixen, and Hardware.

Oh and they still needed Paladin to actually stopped Starbreaker from feeding again.

Spectrum was able to momentarily hurt Thanos and was a part of the team that took him down.

And Thanos is way above K Light. See what I did there.

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ultra cool atoms are a little bit different than absorbing energy to create absolute zero temperature.

Even captain cold can do that.

lol nice try that's why I quoted Stark, Spectrum stopped his molecular motion. And she didn't need to absorb energy she created absolute zero on her own.

By the way I'll give you this chance to come clean with K Light's "victory" over Firestorm. This one went way beyond a misrepresentation.

-Pr-

Kind of wish you guys would stop talking about Kimiyo. Any relevancy she had to the thread has been stretched beyond practicality, and the thread is just going around in circles now.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol nice try that's why I quoted Stark, Spectrum stopped his molecular motion. And she didn't need to absorb energy she created absolute zero on her own.

By the way I'll give you this chance to come clean with K Light's "victory" over Firestorm. This one went way beyond a misrepresentation.
Wut?

You're simply just spouting random nonsense now.

What chance to come clean about Firestorm?

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut?

You're simply just spouting random nonsense now.

What chance to come clean about Firestorm?

I gave you a chance to correct this lie on your own. As stated previously I really don't think that you even read your own scans. The "nonsense" is that K Light never fought or even attacked Firestorm. Your scans came from Justice League of America vol 2 #34. Firestorm got attacked by Shadow Thief clones while trying to help K Light, who was also fighting the clones. At no time during this issue or even the whole arc with Shadow Thief and Starbreaker was any of the Justice League Members mind controlled or fighting each other. When Firestorm regains consciousness from the shadow clones attack, he is immediately concerned about K Light and threatens to kill Shadow Thief if he has hurt her.

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35901359_fshelpslight.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35901360_fshelpslight2.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35901361_fshelpslight3.jpg

https://i.imgflip.com/mzp7y.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that suffice for you?

Absolutely not. lol A totally false claimed victory that didn't even happen, and a team battle with tech upgrades, and herald level support in GL John, Firestorm, Icon, Zatanna, plus Vixen, Hardware, and Paladin.

And again the real funny thing is that it was your idea to claim that Monica hasn't beaten a herald (even though she has) when in fact Dr. Light hasn't come close to beating one in a fight one on one.

HandOfFate

To get this conversation back on track. My real problem with this fight, I can't seem to find pics of Arthur Light moving or reaction at light-speed

I've seen him moving under the speed of light but not light speed.

While I've seen Monica reaction faster than the speed of light

https://s26.postimg.org/nrqlejsah/Spectrum_Slipts.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/8kalu70ft/Spectrum_faster_then_light.jpg

Zack M

Originally posted by HandOfFate
To get this conversation back on track. My real problem with this fight, I can't seem to find pics of Arthur Light moving or reaction at light-speed

I've seen him moving under the speed of light but not light speed.

While I've seen Monica reaction faster than the speed of light

https://s26.postimg.org/nrqlejsah/Spectrum_Slipts.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/8kalu70ft/Spectrum_faster_then_light.jpg

Arthur is just as fast. Plus, more versatile.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
I gave you a chance to correct this lie on your own. As stated previously I really don't think that you even read your own scans. The "nonsense" is that K Light never fought or even attacked Firestorm. Your scans came from Justice League of America vol 2 #34. Firestorm got attacked by Shadow Thief clones while trying to help K Light, who was also fighting the clones. At no time during this issue or even the whole arc with Shadow Thief and Starbreaker was any of the Justice League Members mind controlled or fighting each other. When Firestorm regains consciousness from the shadow clones attack, he is immediately concerned about K Light and threatens to kill Shadow Thief if he has hurt her.

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35901359_fshelpslight.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35901360_fshelpslight2.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35901361_fshelpslight3.jpg

This is honestly so amusing. Shadow Thief attacks with shadows. Dr Light blasted Firestorm back hence why the attack is shown radiating light.

You're consumed by your own hate at this point.

She was draining Starbreaker on her own. The power was channeled in John's ring.

There, there boy. Kimiyo oneshots the shadow beings and defeats Shadow Thief when he was giving entire JLA problems.

http://imgur.com/a/ufFWr

Again.

http://imgur.com/a/UIwH5

Are you satisfied now?

Supermutant

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is honestly so amusing. Shadow Thief attacks with shadows. Dr Light blasted Firestorm back hence why the attack is shown radiating light.

You're consumed by your own hate at this point.

Wow your attempt at trying to save face is really getting pathetic. Why in the world would K Light attack a teammate who was coming to her rescue her, while she was fighting Shadow Thief? She was already fighting Shadow Thief before Firestorm even got there. And here's the real sad thing Firestorm and K Light never fought each other the entire arc lol.

http://s7d1.turboimagehost.com/t/35902411_drlightafraidofthestar.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was draining Starbreaker on her own. The power was channeled in John's ring.

Still not true, Hardware tech upgrades on her suit allow her to do that. Plus all the other heroes there battling Starbreaker gave her the opportunity. As Starbreaker had already drained her and tossed her aside the previous issue.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There, there boy. Kimiyo oneshots the shadow beings and defeats Shadow Thief when he was giving entire JLA problems.

http://imgur.com/a/ufFWr

Again.

http://imgur.com/a/UIwH5

Are you satisfied now?

Is beating a Hawkman villain supposed to be impressive now for a herald?
Especially one that was weaken from fighting against both the Shadow Cabinet and Justice League. Especially after one on one Shadow Thief knocked her out. The only reason she was still alive was typical supervillains monologuing.

https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/35902416_drlightlosestoshadowclones.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/35902417_drlightlosestoshadowclones2.jpg

I know its really hard for you to admit that you are wrong. K Light even had to flee for the Royal Flush gang shooting light weapons at her. laughing out loud

http://s7d3.turboimagehost.com/t/35902457_klightstruggleroyalflushgang.jpg

She isn't close to current Spectrum's level.

HandOfFate

Originally posted by Zack M
Arthur is just as fast. Plus, more versatile.

Scans, please sir.

celeyhyga17

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Arthur may be a better overall energy manipulator. Monica has a history of her energies getting manipulated.

Controls "all light".
http://i.imgur.com/HDHcfM4.png

Controlling the entire em spectrum. Owns energy supers.
http://i.imgur.com/UKW02FM.png
http://i.imgur.com/AXiJ9n6.png

Drains the Ray.
http://i.imgur.com/VRWb8s1.png

Absorbs different energies from the Titans.
http://i.imgur.com/eYIujlo.png
http://i.imgur.com/QKWUJ0w.png

Even messes with godly lightning.
http://i.imgur.com/34KrqqP.png

Zack M

Nice scans, Celey. thumb up

He also defeated Superman by creating Kryptonite light or something.

http://i.imgur.com/Ws1Rm4R.png

HandOfFate

Originally posted by Zack M
Nice scans, Celey. thumb up

Wait, you haven't seen those scans? IMHO, those scans don't put him above Monica. I'm still waiting for speed of light or faster than the speed of light feats

Originally posted by Zack M

He also defeated Superman by creating Kryptonite light or something.

http://i.imgur.com/Ws1Rm4R.png

Is he using a gun? I can't really tell.

Zack M

That won't stop Arthur from manipulating Monica. Kimiyo can move at the speed of light and faster, yet Arthur owned her.

-Pr-

Guys, this is basically ABC logic at this point. Seriously, cut it out.

Zack M

Ok, Arthur has one better. Teleportation.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Supermutant
Wow your attempt at trying to save face is really getting pathetic. Why in the world would K Light attack a teammate who was coming to her rescue her, while she was fighting Shadow Thief? She was already fighting Shadow Thief before Firestorm even got there. And here's the real sad thing Firestorm and K Light never fought each other the entire arc lol.

http://s7d1.turboimagehost.com/t/35902411_drlightafraidofthestar.jpg

Because she has claustrophobia and was attacking everyone in a frenzy.

You haven't even read the story, have you

You keep making shit up as if others haven't read it.

No, her own powers did. The nanomachines were burned off.

Keep trying to harp other heroes as if that matters in energy absorption.

He was fighting the whole justice league and was hugely amped. So yes.

So attacking from behind is a legit win now?

Even jobbing crew have made Spectrum their *****.

You don't get to talk about low showings.