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Zod. Dont get carried away. Marvel aint got the feats

Zod shitstomps him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Zod. Dont get carried away. Marvel aint got the feats
He does. Blue Marvel is awesome. It's just that Zod is a little more powerful.

Originally posted by zopzop
He does. Blue Marvel is awesome. It's just that Zod is a little more powerful.

Such as?

What keeps Zod from a 3 punch combo on planet Earth going kaboom!!??

Being if he is as powerful as claimed now?


Does he love Earth so much he doesnt dare do it?

Zod.

Blue Marvel oneshots him

Highly doubtful. If anything Zod is going to oneshot him like he did to Henshaw (shattered half his body).

Zod is fulfilling the role BA used to in DC. Blue Marvel is almost like Reed with superpowers and black. I think he is a fantastic character. Zod wins this in a relatively easy fight.

I don't understand how it's easy in any way for either of them. I agree Zod wins, but it's not easy.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I don't understand how it's easy in any way for either of them. I agree Zod wins, but it's not easy. I think it's like putting a cruiserweight against a heavyweight, weight divisions exist for a reason.

But to say a cruiserweight can't win at all is assinine and BM has a damn good track reco d so far.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Highly doubtful. If anything Zod is going to oneshot him like he did to Henshaw (shattered half his body). alternatively, he could get the crap kicked out of him like he did against wonder woman.....

Zod is portrayed as a beast. He takes this.

I want to see Zod beat down Martian Mahunter just to see Comicvine,CBR and Spacebattles cut themselves.

Zod has already punched the hell out of MM,lol. He had to be saved by Hawkman.

As to deathslash : never knew BM was as skilled as Diana. Who also had the GoW amp.

Originally posted by deathslash
alternatively, he could get the crap kicked out of him like he did against wonder woman.....
That's not what happened.

Originally posted by deathslash
alternatively, he could get the crap kicked out of him like he did against wonder woman.....



She destroyed him and Faora.

Giving it to my boi blue

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Zod has already punched the hell out of MM,lol. He had to be saved by Hawkman.

As to deathslash : never knew BM was as skilled as Diana. Who also had the GoW amp.

I thought the GOW amp was after that/

Originally posted by carver9


She destroyed him and Faora.
She didn't even fight Zod except one kick and HV block.

You're back and lying as usual. Not to mention that the whole series of SM/WW is retconned away in rebirth.

Hit him with his own heat vision. Handles Faora and then flies over and knee Zod in the face.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-017_zps2f7ade38.jpg.html

Grab him and punch him across the face.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-018_zpsc0831be2.jpg.html

Then Zod doesnt even deny wonder woman killing him when she mentions it.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-020_zps886fcd2d.jpg.html

I didn't even mention Zod having back up against her or not even landing a lick. Yeah, she stomped him.

Links don't work.

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Posted them in the same order as above.

Diana absolutely shat on them.

This is what happens when kryptonians take on someone with skill

Originally posted by carver9
Hit him with his own heat vision. Handles Faora and then flies over and knee Zod in the face.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-017_zps2f7ade38.jpg.html

Grab him and punch him across the face.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-018_zpsc0831be2.jpg.html

Then Zod doesnt even deny wonder woman killing him when she mentions it.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-020_zps886fcd2d.jpg.html

I didn't even mention Zod having back up against her or not even landing a lick. Yeah, she stomped him.
Yeah, because punching and kneeing someone means you can kill them.

Never change Carter.

Never mind that the entire book is out of continuity now.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Diana absolutely shat on them.

This is what happens when kryptonians take on someone with skill
Like she did to Doomsday, eh?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because punching and kneeing someone means you can kill them.

Never change Carter.

Never mind that the entire book is out of continuity now.

Like she did to Doomsday, eh?

Hes right u know

Carver? No, he isn't. The fight showed her skills but she was nowhere near Zod level. In the next issue she was struggling against a full powered Faora.

She and Superman even went to Hephaestus to create armors for both. If she could beat both Zod and Faora together she wouldn't have to do that.

It's typical carver lie.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Carver? No, he isn't. The fight showed her skills but she was nowhere near Zod level. In the next issue she was struggling against a full powered Faora.

She and Superman even went to Hephaestus to create armors for both. If she could beat both Zod and Faora together she wouldn't have to do that.

It's typical carver lie.

Im referring to the scene posted. Not an overrall power level. In that scene Diana was dominating both and proved her skill could match (and albeit momentarily surpass) their strength. She had Faora dead to rights before Clark screwed it up. She also briefly had the upper hand on Zod.

At worst she stalemated them both at best she outright dominated.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im referring to the scene posted. Not an overrall power level. In that scene Diana was dominating both and proved her skill could match (and albeit momentarily surpass) their strength. She had Faora dead to rights before Clark screwed it up. She also briefly had the upper hand on Zod.

At worst she stalemated them both at best she outright dominated.
She fought both one on one and Superman was attacking the other.

Faora was still not at full power. When she was at full power, this happened.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman/WW vs. Zod/Faora (part 1):
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Diana was getting her ass handed to her by Faora even with the armor to absorb her attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She fought both one on one and Superman was attacking the other.

Faora was still not at full power. When she was at full power, this happened.



Diana was getting her ass handed to her by Faora even with the armor to absorb her attacks. But they wanted to be hit to release it back...

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
But they wanted to be hit to release it back...
Why would the armor be even needed if Wonder Woman could you know solo both as claimed by carver?

Or even needed to be hit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She fought both one on one and Superman was attacking the other.


No he was not. In the scans Carver posted she was fighting them both on her own.



Originally posted by abhilegend


Faora was still not at full power. When she was at full power, this happened.

Diana was getting her ass handed to her by Faora even with the armor to absorb her attacks.

Diana took one blow from Faora. There was no asses getting handed to anyone here. Not sure how you reached that conclusion. Its not important anyway as we were discussing a different scene

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No he was not. In the scans Carver posted she was fighting them both on her own.


For one page. It was essentially a surprise attack to disrupt them .

They had absorbed more than a hundred attacks. Did you even read the dialog?

It's just the next issue by the same writer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
For one page. It was essentially a surprise attack to disrupt them .

*announces herself before she fights them*
*Surprise attack*

That is genuinely hilarious.

Anyway, Zod did very well against Martial Manhunter, but Blue Marvel beat down King Hyperion in moments when he got serious.

Zod beat cyborg Superman, but Blue Marvel beat Ultimate Hulk.

Zod beat down Superman, but Blue Marvel took on (an admittedly weakened) Sentry, Ares, Iron Man and Wonder Man at the same time.

I'm honestly not seeing how one of them oneshots the other.

Originally posted by abhilegend
For one page. It was essentially a surprise attack to disrupt them .




Ok. We are losing each other. Lets start over


Clark shows up to stop Zod/Fao. The assess he is strong but a non threat ...


https://68.media.tumblr.com/25045513d33a627c242ee871222eeaec/tumblr_ouvbaqaZhU1vq8arpo1_400.jpg

He continues to prove his combat ineffectiveness


https://68.media.tumblr.com/0d6929376cd7163df1336de4d5f87b85/tumblr_ouvbloSV7A1vq8arpo1_400.jpg


Here he gets momentarily put out of the fight. Hes landed ZERO blows, Zod/Fao are still healty and good and dont appear winded or hurt

https://68.media.tumblr.com/d47fe3cd4fa438c640a55a670b69691f/tumblr_ouvbws7kT71vq8arpo1_400.jpg

^^^^^^^The bottom panel alerts them to to Dianas presence. No "suprise attack to disrupt them"


https://68.media.tumblr.com/d0031b92a7b1209275ed05529b66d60f/tumblr_ouvcfhsgu11vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Diana/Zod monologue

Cue fight....

https://68.media.tumblr.com/45afccfb5bb75c85ff9ef838c14030c7/tumblr_ouvcinMHHE1vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Fao/Zod engage. They are not suprised. Clark is irrelevant at the moment. They are healthy. Fao is new to her powers but Zod has had time to compensate.

Diana blocks hv with her sword and redirects it in one hand amd woth the other blocks Faoras attack. Now even though an argument can be made Faora is a newbie. She still just assisted in wrecking Superman and she still is a trained warrior.

With Zod momentarily reeling she grapples with Fao, quickly overpowers her, burns her face and while Fao is reeling knees Zod in the face.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/ac16460dc331d3bc72579dc9b12fbdae/tumblr_ouvcvlw2fr1vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Clark continues to prove hes useless, weakly grabbing Faora who was still covering her scar with her hand. Diana "looks" to be wailing on Zod. He isnt shown much in these panels so i assume he was briefly knocked away. Why else would Diana leave him inattended to run over and grab Fao



https://68.media.tumblr.com/f2382c032c9be8e6479aa10dfd1696c8/tumblr_ouvdb33yf71vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Self explanamtory. Clark gets his arm broke. Diana subdues Fao


https://68.media.tumblr.com/d3d1e7376d82f771f5c731ab268b69c8/tumblr_ouvdi4unWt1vq8arpo1_400.png

End scene. Everyone is bruised, bloodied or broken save Diana. Clark threw one punch.

Carver as per my initial post was right

Originally posted by abhilegend
For one page. It was essentially a surprise attack to disrupt them .

They had absorbed more than a hundred attacks. Did you even read the dialog?

It's just the next issue by the same writer. Abhi, I like your posts and often (usually) agree with them. I don't believe this fight is showing what you say, although I agree, Wonder Woman would not win alone against either and eventually, the raw power difference would subdue her. I with Sin on what's being shown on panel.

Originally posted by deathslash
*announces herself before she fights them*
*Surprise attack*

That is genuinely hilarious.

Anyway, Zod did very well against Martial Manhunter, but Blue Marvel beat down King Hyperion in moments when he got serious.

Zod beat cyborg Superman, but Blue Marvel beat Ultimate Hulk.

Zod beat down Superman, but Blue Marvel took on (an admittedly weakened) Sentry, Ares, Iron Man and Wonder Man at the same time.

I'm honestly not seeing how one of them oneshots the other.
She was complete unknown to them. It wasn't a suckershot but she surprised them essentially.

Zod nearly killed J'onn.

Zod oneshots Henshaw, punches holes into Eradicator and tanks combined attacks of Eradicator, Henshaw and Enchantress and proceeds to kick the crap out of all of them. With half his head blasted off by his own HV.

Marvel would be lucky to beat any single one of the team zod destroyed.

Originally posted by deathslash
*announces herself before she fights them*
*Surprise attack*

That is genuinely hilarious.

Anyway, Zod did very well against Martial Manhunter, but Blue Marvel beat down King Hyperion in moments when he got serious.

Zod beat cyborg Superman, but Blue Marvel beat Ultimate Hulk.

Zod beat down Superman, but Blue Marvel took on (an admittedly weakened) Sentry, Ares, Iron Man and Wonder Man at the same time.

I'm honestly not seeing how one of them oneshots the other.

If this were that Zod posted in the scans yes...but since its current Zod (im assuming from the pic on the op) he wrecks. Imo his current feats amd durability are above BMs

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was complete unknown to them. It wasn't a suckershot but she surprised them essentially.

Zod nearly killed J'onn.

Zod oneshots Henshaw, punches holes into Eradicator and tanks combined attacks of Eradicator, Henshaw and Enchantress and proceeds to kick the crap out of all of them. With half his head blasted off by his own HV.

Marvel would be lucky to beat any single one of the team zod destroyed. except for how Zod more or less said "bring it on" and promptly got his ass kicked when he had back up. This was also the first time that Diana had ever faced either of them (let alone both at the same time).

Good thing he doesn't need luck since he has feats for days. A holding back Blue Marvel still gave an entire Avengers line up all hell, beating down King Hyperion, striking Namor so hard that he directly says that only the hulk and Thor have hit as hard as Adam does, flying though Shuma Gorath's physical form, beating Anti Man(the same guy that beat Iron Man, Ares, Sentry, and She Hulk at the same time), oneshotting Ultimate hulk, etc.

Carver's actually right.

However, it's neither here nor there. BM doesn't have indestructible bracers to deflect HV, nor does he possess fighting skills (which is what have WW the edge against Zod).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver's actually right.

However, it's neither here nor there. BM doesn't have indestructible bracers to deflect HV, nor does he possess fighting skills (which is what have WW the edge against Zod). You see, re fighting skills, we don't know what Bashar has, we now he was a soldier, can he box? I would suggest from his uppercut on Ultimate Hulk, yes.

And Zod was a soldier too.

Moreover, just being a soldier =/= being the most highly skilled Amazonian warrior lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Zod was a soldier too.

Moreover, just being a soldier =/= being the most highly skilled Amazonian warrior lol.

Yeah, but Bashar is about 90 years old, in that time a man with as many PhD's and sporting achievements as he has would probably have learned a martial art or two to a helluva high level. remember he is chronologically a man who has had his youth all the time whilst others born when he was have mostly grown old and died even in the Marvel Universe and yes Zod was just a soldier also. I know what you are going to say Marvel Continuity, sliding time scale all of them including Peter Parker and Johnny Storm should be pensioners now. True, but he is in Universe old.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok. We are losing each other. Lets start over


Clark shows up to stop Zod/Fao. The assess he is strong but a non threat ...


https://68.media.tumblr.com/25045513d33a627c242ee871222eeaec/tumblr_ouvbaqaZhU1vq8arpo1_400.jpg

He continues to prove his combat ineffectiveness


https://68.media.tumblr.com/0d6929376cd7163df1336de4d5f87b85/tumblr_ouvbloSV7A1vq8arpo1_400.jpg


Here he gets momentarily put out of the fight. Hes landed ZERO blows, Zod/Fao are still healty and good and dont appear winded or hurt

https://68.media.tumblr.com/d47fe3cd4fa438c640a55a670b69691f/tumblr_ouvbws7kT71vq8arpo1_400.jpg

^^^^^^^The bottom panel alerts them to to Dianas presence. No "suprise attack to disrupt them"


https://68.media.tumblr.com/d0031b92a7b1209275ed05529b66d60f/tumblr_ouvcfhsgu11vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Diana/Zod monologue

Cue fight....

https://68.media.tumblr.com/45afccfb5bb75c85ff9ef838c14030c7/tumblr_ouvcinMHHE1vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Fao/Zod engage. They are not suprised. Clark is irrelevant at the moment. They are healthy. Fao is new to her powers but Zod has had time to compensate.

Diana blocks hv with her sword and redirects it in one hand amd woth the other blocks Faoras attack. Now even though an argument can be made Faora is a newbie. She still just assisted in wrecking Superman and she still is a trained warrior.

With Zod momentarily reeling she grapples with Fao, quickly overpowers her, burns her face and while Fao is reeling knees Zod in the face.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/ac16460dc331d3bc72579dc9b12fbdae/tumblr_ouvcvlw2fr1vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Clark continues to prove hes useless, weakly grabbing Faora who was still covering her scar with her hand. Diana "looks" to be wailing on Zod. He isnt shown much in these panels so i assume he was briefly knocked away. Why else would Diana leave him inattended to run over and grab Fao



https://68.media.tumblr.com/f2382c032c9be8e6479aa10dfd1696c8/tumblr_ouvdb33yf71vq8arpo1_400.jpg

Self explanamtory. Clark gets his arm broke. Diana subdues Fao


https://68.media.tumblr.com/d3d1e7376d82f771f5c731ab268b69c8/tumblr_ouvdi4unWt1vq8arpo1_400.png

End scene. Everyone is bruised, bloodied or broken save Diana. Clark threw one punch.

Carver as per my initial post was right
ermm

A lot of really useless scans. Here is what carver said.

Originally posted by carver9


She destroyed him and Faora.

Could you please point out where Diana destroyed Zod?

Originally posted by deathslash
except for how Zod more or less said "bring it on" and promptly got his ass kicked when he had back up. This was also the first time that Diana had ever faced either of them (let alone both at the same time).


He was punched a few times. By that criteria Chavez kicked his and Carol's ass too.





Still below what Zod has done. Zod at this point can blast away half his head with HV. Marvel doesn't has that level of power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

A lot of really
scans. Here is what carver said.



Could you please point out where Diana destroyed Zod?

Destroyed no. Dominated yes. Carver tends to exaggerrate not unlike you with your "suprise" and "complete unknown" statements

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Destroyed no. Dominated yes. Carver tends to exaggerrate not unlike you with your "suprise" and "complete unknown" statements
Getting punched a few times isn't being dominated. This is dominating someone.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16798925/Superman-Wonder_Woman_2013-_001-018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16798926/Superman-Wonder_Woman_2013-_001-019.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16798927/Superman-Wonder_Woman_2013-_001-020.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16993615/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16993616/2.jpg.html

Guess what happened to this Doomsday?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Getting punched a few times isn't being dominated. This is dominating someone.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16798925/Superman-Wonder_Woman_2013-_001-018.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16798926/Superman-Wonder_Woman_2013-_001-019.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16798927/Superman-Wonder_Woman_2013-_001-020.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16993615/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16993616/2.jpg.html

Guess what happened to this Doomsday?

Semantics

So you feel like Diana lost?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Semantics

So you feel like Diana lost?
No. But she wasn't in position to win either.

By that logic Chavez dominated both Carol and marvel here.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ultimates #10 Pt 2/2

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So Thanos had at least some of this planned.

Right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
She fought both one on one and Superman was attacking the other.

Faora was still not at full power. When she was at full power, this happened.



Diana was getting her ass handed to her by Faora even with the armor to absorb her attacks.

Context in their second fight. Apollo was powering them up the entire time. They were amped...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111310129/5972957-zod.jpg

This is why they did better than before. This is why Supes and Diana had their special suiit on.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was punched a few times. By that criteria Chavez kicked his and Carol's ass too.





Still below what Zod has done. Zod at this point can blast away half his head with HV. Marvel doesn't has that level of power.

Lol...you all got excited when Superman took on Zod, Cyborg Superman and his crew when the only thing he did was punch someone and toss another. Used it as a high showing but we have Diana doing far worse against Zod and Faora and it ain't much? Stop abhi.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver's actually right.

However, it's neither here nor there. BM doesn't have indestructible bracers to deflect HV, nor does he possess fighting skills (which is what gave WW the edge against Zod).

It's a good showing for diana, holding her own and not even a very bad for supes as he never wanted to fight, he comes to reason is attacked, zod uses his HV on a village and prevents Supes from going there who rushes to help, they tag team Supes and even after all he tanked, he still says to Faora that he won't hurt her and even after that he asks Zod to stop this.

I read it not as a fight or comparision of direct power or skill, more of the two different approaches of WW and Superman, Violence and Pacifism. While naiv enough to believe that fellow Kryptonians will listen to reason Supes got the punishment for this, Diana knows a warrior when she sees one and took no risks.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

Interesting enough, after they met again to fight for real diana could only hold her own against faora, the same is true for zod. And after they got amped by Apollo, Zod and Faora dominated them.

Also Superman tanked the explosion to protect WW, even though he was weakened, else she would have died. The portrayals were rather clear who the stronger and more powerful is on the one side and who the better fighter is on the other.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. But she wasn't in position to win either.

By that logic Chavez dominated both Carol and marvel here.



Right?

No.

Completely different. Chavez surprised/suckershot Carol. She was also fighting friends who were holding back. Bfred Monica and got a lucky hit on BM.

Diana physically beat Faora and held the upper hand on Zod (two characters who werent holding back) until Clark got held hostage.

Be serious. Besides we are on the same "side" since I believe Zod beats BM. Just not that Zod current Zod. The one in this match.

Originally posted by carver9
Context in their second fight. Apollo was powering them up the entire time. They were amped...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111310129/5972957-zod.jpg

This is why they did better than before. This is why Supes and Diana had their special suiit on.

There is no telling how much power Apollo gave them. Moot point and i wouldnt say it was an amp. Its ambiguous.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Mornin saint

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
It's a good showing for diana, holding her own and not even a very bad for supes as he never wanted to fight, he comes to reason is attacked, zod uses his HV on a village and prevents Supes from going there who rushes to help, they tag team Supes and even after all he tanked, he still says to Faora that he won't hurt her and even after that he asks Zod to stop this.

I read it not as a fight or comparision of direct power or skill, more of the two different approaches of WW and Superman, Violence and Pacifism. While naiv enough to believe that fellow Kryptonians will listen to reason Supes got the punishment for this, Diana knows a warrior when she sees one and took no risks.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

Interesting enough, after they met again to fight for real diana could only hold her own against faora, the same is true for zod. And after they got amped by Apollo, Zod and Faora dominated them.

Also Superman tanked the explosion to protect WW, even though he was weakened, else she would have died. The portrayals were rather clear who the stronger and more powerful is on the one side and who the better fighter is on the other. Superman and Wonder Woman wanted to be hit in the armour so that could give the energy of the assaults back all at once.

Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
Superman and Wonder Woman wanted to be hit in the armour so that could give the energy of the assaults back all at once.

That's also means that they assume that their chances to take both out with this tactic are better than in a straight 2v2.

Carver is right.

As for Zod fighting BM, its a toss up. There isnt going to be any oneshotting going on either way.

The answer is Zod.
Give respect where respect is due.

Zod is the "rock star".
BM is still in a "boy band". He has to earn that kind of respect. He will get there.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No.

Completely different. Chavez surprised/suckershot Carol. She was also fighting friends who were holding back. Bfred Monica and got a lucky hit on BM.

Diana physically beat Faora and held the upper hand on Zod (two characters who werent holding back) until Clark got held hostage.

Be serious. Besides we are on the same "side" since I believe Zod beats BM. Just not that Zod current Zod. The one in this match.



There is no telling how much power Apollo gave them. Moot point and i wouldnt say it was an amp. Its ambiguous.



Mornin saint

He tells us he was feeding them power and amps on the forum doesn't work like that. Apollo purposely had that sun beaming on them during their fight against Supes and WW. Superman even comments during the fight about the sun. Apollo was feeding them and it doesn't matter to what extent either. Giving them any type of addition, even if it's 1% additional power (even though this wasn't the case) is still an amp.

But he didn't give them extra power.

He just powered them up quicker.

Like charging a battery. You can fast charge it or you can charge normally....but 100% is still 100%.

Still moot. WW is not in this thread, is more durable with her bracers than BM and is more skilled.

yeah carv IS right about the scene in discussion, though destroyed is too strong... this fight wouldn't be easy for anyone, that is a ridiculous statement. ds is right--no bracers, but he wouldn't need them as he can simply counter hv with his own blasts. i wonder how zod would handle anti-matter. no better than bm would handle hv i'd wager. this is close no matter how you look at it. if forced i'd likely side with zod, but i'm not a huge bm fan and i think zod's kill first attitude would be enough to barely get zod the nod.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah carv IS right about the scene in discussion, though destroyed is too strong... this fight wouldn't be easy for anyone, that is a ridiculous statement. ds is right--no bracers, but he wouldn't need them as he can simply counter hv with his own blasts. i wonder how zod would handle anti-matter. no better than bm would handle hv i'd wager. this is close no matter how you look at it. if forced i'd likely side with zod, but i'm not a huge bm fan and i think zod's kill first attitude would be enough to barely get zod the nod. very good analysis. I personally see this as a toss up since BM has proven more than once that he can think on his toes while still having the sort of power required to go head to head with the top of the high herald tier.

Originally posted by carver9
Context in their second fight. Apollo was powering them up the entire time. They were amped...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11131/111310129/5972957-zod.jpg

This is why they did better than before. This is why Supes and Diana had their special suiit on.
He was powering up to full power. They were amped after the armor was destroyed. Not before it. Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you all got excited when Superman took on Zod, Cyborg Superman and his crew when the only thing he did was punch someone and toss another. Used it as a high showing but we have Diana doing far worse against Zod and Faora and it ain't much? Stop abhi.
Doing worse in what category?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No.

Completely different. Chavez surprised/suckershot Carol. She was also fighting friends who were holding back. Bfred Monica and got a lucky hit on BM.


This is such a hilarious example of selective bias.

She was beating the shit out of both Carol and Marvel. He was even blasting her.

Again show us where she had upper hand on Zod. Punching someone once or twice doesn't means you get upper hand when you start with redirecting their own attack to them.

Exactly. Not that Diana ever had any upper hand on Zod. The Doomsday fight showed what happened to Diana with Superman level beings.

She got treated like the ***** she is.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah carv IS right about the scene in discussion, though destroyed is too strong... this fight wouldn't be easy for anyone, that is a ridiculous statement. ds is right--no bracers, but he wouldn't need them as he can simply counter hv with his own blasts. i wonder how zod would handle anti-matter. no better than bm would handle hv i'd wager. this is close no matter how you look at it. if forced i'd likely side with zod, but i'm not a huge bm fan and i think zod's kill first attitude would be enough to barely get zod the nod.
Zod blasted half his head off with HV. No way Marvel can do that to a kryptoninan.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ In the last issue, Zod used his own HV to 'extract' the bomb that Waller had placed inside his brain:
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Originally posted by abhilegend
He was powering up to full power. They were amped after the armor was destroyed. Not before it.
Doing worse in what category?

Powering up to full power? That was not said.

She did worse damage to Zod and Faora than what Superman did to Cyborg Superman and the crew he showed up with in that Dark Dimension etc... but you are discrediting her showing.

Literally says that he powered them up quicker than they otherwise would have been

Quicker.

Not MORE.

If I say you ate a burger quicker than before....does that mean you ate more burgers?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Zod blasted half his head off with HV. No way Marvel can do that to a kryptoninan.

he wouldn't even if he could, and it's irrelevant anyway since bm's own powers could block the hv. if you're saying zod's hv>bm's anti-matter powers then i'd simply disagree. no way i see zod's hv just...plowing through an anti-matter barrage or a simple shield like he used against hyperion or the way he countered anti-man. and anti-man is enormously powerful. strength is close, energy projection is close, no way this whole battle isn't extremely close and it's easy to see why people would pick adam in this fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Powering up to full power? That was not said.

She did worse damage to Zod and Faora than what Superman did to Cyborg Superman and the crew he showed up with in that Dark Dimension etc... but you are discrediting her showing.
ermm

It's hilarious you think anyone is trying to use Cyborg Superman or Eradicator vs Superman here. Zod Wrecked both together though.

Originally posted by leonidas
he wouldn't even if he could, and it's irrelevant anyway since bm's own powers could block the hv. if you're saying zod's hv>bm's anti-matter powers then i'd simply disagree. no way i see zod's hv just...plowing through an anti-matter barrage or a simple shield like he used against hyperion or the way he countered anti-man. and anti-man is enormously powerful. strength is close, energy projection is close, no way this whole battle isn't extremely close and it's easy to see why people would pick adam in this fight.
It really isn't though. King Hyperion isn't as powerful as Zod and Anti man Wrecked marvel. It wasn't until the nature of their power came into play Adam did anything to Connor.

I disagree about it being close. Marvel is closer to Eradicator than Zod.

Originally posted by deathslash
*announces herself before she fights them*
*Surprise attack*

That is genuinely hilarious.

Anyway, Zod did very well against Martial Manhunter, but Blue Marvel beat down King Hyperion in moments when he got serious.

Zod beat cyborg Superman, but Blue Marvel beat Ultimate Hulk.

Zod beat down Superman, but Blue Marvel took on (an admittedly weakened) Sentry, Ares, Iron Man and Wonder Man at the same time.

I'm honestly not seeing how one of them oneshots the other.

Zod one shots him.

Martian Manhunter > King Hyperion
Cyborg Superman > Ultimate Hulk
Eradicator >>> Iron Man and Wonder Man
Mongul (who was one shotted into space) >>> Ares

Breaking the ARM of Nu Superman (the man that benches planets for days) >>> Anything that occurred with a weakened Sentry

Blue Marvel DOES not possess the fighting SKILLS of Wonder Woman nor her God forged equipment.

Zod also walked through the Suicide Squad with the Enchantress (a team wrecker of her own, see Justice League Dark) on the other side to boot blasting spells on him.

Couple this with Blue Marvel being stated to be BELOW the power level of Captain Marvel and I don't see how anyone is not thinking Zod doesn't dominate him straight up physically.

Keep in mind that Zod just recently owned Super Girl and Krypto with heat vision too.

And Super Girl >>> Captain Marvel sorry Carol fans

Maybe Blue Marvel's energy manipulation and anti-matter can mess with Zod's kryptonian physiology but other than that I don't see what he has that will overcome his opponents advantages.

Originally posted by Sensui
Zod one shots him.

Martian Manhunter > King Hyperion
Cyborg Superman > Ultimate Hulk
Eradicator >>> Iron Man and Wonder Man
Mongul (who was one shotted into space) >>> Ares

Breaking the ARM of Nu Superman (the man that benches planets for days) >>> Anything that occurred with a weakened Sentry

Blue Marvel DOES not possess the fighting SKILLS of Wonder Woman nor her God forged equipment.

Zod also walked through the Suicide Squad with the Enchantress (a team wrecker of her own, see Justice League Dark) on the other side to boot blasting spells on him.

Couple this with Blue Marvel being stated to be BELOW the power level of Captain Marvel and I don't see how anyone is not thinking Zod doesn't dominate him straight up physically.

Keep in mind that Zod just recently owned Super Girl and Krypto with heat vision too.

And Super Girl >>> Captain Marvel sorry Carol fans

Maybe Blue Marvel's energy manipulation and anti-matter can mess with Zod's kryptonian physiology but other than that I don't see what he has that will overcome his opponents advantages. lol

Highly debatable since Martian manhunter jobs to everyone. Didn't midnighter almost kill him?

Iron Man, Sentry, Ares, and Wonder Man>>Eradicator

A fraction of Shuma Gorath>>>>>>>>Cyborg Superman

Oneshotting hulk=Mongul (btw, was mongul unconscious?)

Breaking the arm of a holding back and already injured Superman is suddenly above fighting an all out sentry? I like how you also act as if Superman benching the weight of Earth is suddenly his average.

Good thing BM has casually owned the Squadron Supreme then.

And where was this said?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It really isn't though. King Hyperion isn't as powerful as Zod and Anti man Wrecked marvel. It wasn't until the nature of their power came into play Adam did anything to Connor.

I disagree about it being close. Marvel is closer to Eradicator than Zod.

what? when did anti-man wreck adam? adam tooled him the first time round. second time the avengers chipped in some but it was mostly adam 1on1 and he's the one who took him out. he tried synching power, but....so? he has some exotic energy showings. that only supports him in this fight. he's also one of the very few guys aside from wwh to have stood evenly with sentry. if he's strong enough to do that he is absolutely strong enough to take on zod. coupled with his energy showings? there's nothing to support this NOT being extremely close and the more i think on it, the more i may lean towards adam in this.

Originally posted by leonidas
i wonder how zod would handle anti-matter. no better than bm would handle hv i'd wager.

Probably the same as superman does. Very well

Also what is BM's best anti-matter blast in your opinion?

Originally posted by leonidas
what? when did anti-man wreck adam?

They fought on the moon and yes anti-man wrecked him

I'm sure this will be hated but what is stopping Zod from casually speed blitzing the hell out of BM?

BM doesn't have a single speed feat that comes even remotely close to Supergirl's recent one. She transcribed several quintillion lines of code in the blink of an eye, literally.

Zod stomped her.

BM does not stand a chance if Zod is even remotely trying.

Originally posted by leonidas
he wouldn't even if he could, and it's irrelevant anyway since bm's own powers could block the hv. if you're saying zod's hv>bm's anti-matter powers then i'd simply disagree. no way i see zod's hv just...plowing through an anti-matter barrage or a simple shield like he used against hyperion or the way he countered anti-man. and anti-man is enormously powerful. strength is close, energy projection is close, no way this whole battle isn't extremely close and it's easy to see why people would pick adam in this fight.

LOL!

Zod doesn't have any speed fts either though.

He is a kryptonian, and he is better than supergirl at being one.

By feats supergirl would annihilate Bm. It stands to reason zod would do it easier.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He is a kryptonian, and he is better than supergirl at being one.

By feats supergirl would annihilate Bm. It stands to reason zod would do it easier.

But we don't share fts though. Just because Supergirl and Superman did something doesn't mean Zod can do it. If he can do it, he needs his own fts to support it. I hate going against your post because I adore you in a non homo way but this time, I have to do it.

Why wouldnt same race members get scaling based off each other? Thats standard for all of fiction. E.g. Thor gets scaling from any lesser asgardian in stats.

Even if zod were for some strange reason only 1/10th as fast as supergirl, that would be more than overkill against BM.

I'm no fan of Blue, but he should stop Zod in his tracks.

How? He is way slower than kryptonians.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Why wouldnt same race members get scaling based off each other? Thats standard for all of fiction. E.g. Thor gets scaling from any lesser asgardian in stats.

Even if zod were for some strange reason only 1/10th as fast as supergirl, that would be more than overkill against BM.

I wish that was the case but, lol, no one here share Jane fts with Thor. Especially ABHI, Philo and others. People on here has been criticized trying to do it too. We just don't share fts here. Jane fts as Thor belongs to her, Cho Hulk fts belong to him and not Banner and Superman and Supergirl fts belong to them not Zod.

We wouldn't use Superman bench pressing ft to claim how strong Zod is.

Originally posted by vansonbee
I'm no fan of Blue, but he should stop Zod in his tracks.

Why you say that?

Originally posted by leonidas
what? when did anti-man wreck adam? adam tooled him the first time round.
Really? The first fight he had with Connor was in 60s. The current anti man Wrecked him something fierce.

It was literally synching his power with Connor. It wouldn't work on anyone else.

Sentry was getting weakened by the spill of anti matter.

Anyway not that Sentry is anything constant in showings. Anti man broke his arm in the same series and at that time Namor was smacking him around in Invaders/Avengers.

There is no chance for marvel here.

Originally posted by Galan007
Suicide Squad:
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Zod is a f*cking beast...

Current Zod is on a different level.

Originally posted by deathslash
lol

Highly debatable since Martian manhunter jobs to everyone. Didn't midnighter almost kill him?

Iron Man, Sentry, Ares, and Wonder Man>>Eradicator


He didn't beat them all.

Nope.

Ultimate Hulk has a long history of getting his ass kicked.

Sentry wasn't all out.

He had four planetary showings in five years. Of course it's his average.

With prep and warning from Ulysses. Otherwise he stalemated Hyperion.

Where is what said?

Current Zod is on a different level. BM isnt really impressive in Ultimates and they have had a bit of a run so no excuse

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Current Zod is on a different level. BM isnt really impressive in Ultimates and they have had a bit of a run so no excuse by "not impressive" do you mean that he isn't bench pressing a galaxy every other day or do you mean that he is portrayed as being beneath his average?

Originally posted by deathslash
by "not impressive" do you mean that he isn't bench pressing a galaxy every other day or do you mean that he is portrayed as being beneath his average?

Like hes done absolutely nothing at all in Ultinates. Nothing. At. All

Only thing he's done worth talking about is ko'ing Ultimate Hulk with one punch.

Reading the Ultimates and expecting battle feats is the wrong thing to expect, tbh.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reading the Ultimates and expecting battle feats is the wrong thing to expect, tbh.

Yep, the cosmology alone is worth it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Like hes done absolutely nothing at all in Ultinates. Nothing. At. All Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reading the Ultimates and expecting battle feats is the wrong thing to expect, tbh. pretty much this. You wouldn't read an H.P. Lovecraft novel or the Sandman series and expect a bunch of combat related feats would you?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Reading the Ultimates and expecting battle feats is the wrong thing to expect, tbh. You mean that's not what comics are for!?

https://media.tenor.com/images/4cafe7922bf8b4801a1500344279299f/tenor.gif

Originally posted by deathslash
pretty much this. You wouldn't read an H.P. Lovecraft novel or the Sandman series and expect a bunch of combat related feats would you?

Ultimates is far from the works of Lovecraft. Same goes for Norrins book. Shit is rife with chatter...little to no action

Originally posted by deathslash
pretty much this. You wouldn't read an H.P. Lovecraft novel or the Sandman series and expect a bunch of combat related feats would you?
Are you comparing Ultimates to Sandman?

ermm

Ewing is merely aping Grant Morrison but doesn't has the talent to properly do it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you comparing Ultimates to Sandman?

ermm

Ewing is merely aping Grant Morrison but doesn't has the talent to properly do it.

^^^exactly. Like comparing a diamond to a cz. Howard is rolling over in his grave.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
How? He is way slower than kryptonians.

You have practically no bases for for this.

Zod wins 9-10/10. Like really. BM best feat was koing Sentry and near stalemating him later, that's no enough.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you comparing Ultimates to Sandman?

ermm

Ewing is merely aping Grant Morrison but doesn't has the talent to properly do it. I'm certain that you saw what the conversation actually pertains to. Comparing two separate books that aren't about battles isn't the same as saying that they have the same quality. Goddamn, can we go two seconds without arguing over what is and isn't better?

Originally posted by deathslash
I'm certain that you saw what the conversation actually pertains to. Comparing two separate books that aren't about battles isn't the same as saying that they have the same quality. Goddamn, can we go two seconds without arguing over what is and isn't better?

No goddamit this is a battle board. Prepare thyself

Sad the hate Marvel is getting in this thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Sad the hate Marvel is getting in this thread.

What hate?

Blue Marvel took on and defeated someone that stomped the Avengers (that had a powerful line up) but it isn't enough to prove he could beat Zod. That is crazy as hell to me. Then, I don't know what it is you are looking for Sin. Zod defeated Cyborg whom just got his body back and who's best showing is defeating Mongul. Mongul is great and all but it isn't enough. Then Cyborg admitted he underestimated Zod. Then we have Eradicator who is weakened due to losing all of the Kryptonian power he had in him before facing an amped Superman. Is this what impress you about Zod. Explain to me what makes you think he could beat Blue Marvel. Someone who has taken on and defeated beings with amazing fts.

Even though this is Shuma at a fraction of his power, he was able to take on the White tiger God and the Avengers and Blue Marvel did this...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111160578/4216671-5244112148-39643.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Blue Marvel took on and defeated someone that stomped the Avengers (that had a powerful line up) but it isn't enough to prove he could beat Zod. That is crazy as hell to me. Then, I don't know what it is you are looking for Sin. Zod defeated Cyborg whom just got his body back and who's best showing is defeating Mongul. Mongul is great and all but it isn't enough. Then Cyborg admitted he underestimated Zod. Then we have Eradicator who is weakened due to losing all of the Kryptonian power he had in him before facing an amped Superman. Is this what impress you about Zod. Explain to me what makes you think he could beat Blue Marvel. Someone who has taken on and defeated beings with amazing fts.

Im not impressed by Marvel. He comes off as weak amalgam of Surfer and Superman without the feats. Another pacifist, super smart shitty combatant with dope super powers. The only thing he has going for him is that hes black and that novelty has worn thin because beside his small litany of feats (hyperion is a scrub, his own arch-nemesis, sentry and his wildy bipolar power levels, oh a one shotting ult hulk) he aint done shit. This guy came out a decade ago , is supposed to be an African American superman expy and Carol phuckin Danvers is more impressive than him and that was before marvels SJW push. I wouldnt put Marvel over a competant Wonder Man let alone current Zod. Marvel (the comic book company not the character) does NOT know how to properly deal with Herald/Superman class characters. When youre a stable anti matter generator and Tcharlie is the toughest guy in the room there is a serious problem

As noted blue marvel beating anti-man had significant context nor could he replicate that feat here

He did overpower him first before dispersing his atoms. Anti-man was amped beyond normal.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He did overpower him first before dispersing his atoms. Anti-man was amped beyond normal.

Because as noted by him he synced his powers together while the avengers delayed anti-man so he could do it. Also said he could do that as they were connected.

He could not repeat that here

Originally posted by -K-M-
As noted Originally posted by -K-M-
Because as noted Stop it! sneer

As noted by LOB bada is a terrible person

It's on!

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Duly noted.

The first sync attempt failed. He had the FF and a stacked avengers team aiding him there.
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Anti-man went super saiyan and blasted everyone away like they were feebs. He further amped himself in the process. His mistake was turning Adam's wife into a pizza.
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Adam went ham and proceeded to beat the shiet out of a massively amped Anti-man. He even forced him out of the planet before he started a second synch attempt which ultimately dispersed his atoms.
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adam is bad ass. this match is nothing but close. anyone saying otherwise is biased or doesn't know adam. /shrug

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im not impressed by Marvel. He comes off as weak amalgam of Surfer and Superman without the feats. Another pacifist, super smart shitty combatant with dope super powers. The only thing he has going for him is that hes black and that novelty has worn thin because beside his small litany of feats (hyperion is a scrub, his own arch-nemesis, sentry and his wildy bipolar power levels, oh a one shotting ult hulk) he aint done shit. This guy came out a decade ago , is supposed to be an African American superman expy and Carol phuckin Danvers is more impressive than him and that was before marvels SJW push. I wouldnt put Marvel over a competant Wonder Man let alone current Zod. Marvel (the comic book company not the character) does NOT know how to properly deal with Herald/Superman class characters. When youre a stable anti matter generator and Tcharlie is the toughest guy in the room there is a serious problem

Ok...im lost for words on this post.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The first sync attempt failed. He had the FF and a stacked avengers team aiding him there.
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Anti-man went super saiyan and blasted everyone away like they were feebs. He further amped himself in the process. His mistake was turning Adam's wife into a pizza.
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Adam went ham and proceeded to beat the shiet out of a massively amped Anti-man. He even forced him out of the planet before he started a second synch attempt which ultimately dispersed his atoms.
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Failed? Based on what? As you know they said it was working. Also did you miss the point he needed the avengers to make the cyclotron. They were successful. But based on your theory he didn't actually need it at the end when he went bloodlust? The answer is no. Logical answer is th cyclotron and synch worked

The rest of the scans are irrelevant and besides the point

can't edit my post, but as BM said "The accident that gave us our powers links us because were both powered by almost inexhaustible antimatter energy. If I can sync with his energy and release a large enough positive plasma charge, I might be able to initiate a chain reaction causing him to implode. but I need your help to do it"

*Battles begins avengers create a particle accelerator (cyclotron) to exacerbate his molecular vibration frequency*

*BM begins synching*

Iron Man: Reed-it's working!
Reed: Brashear is synching with him--trying to disperse his energy"--

Now what did BM say earlier? he needed to synch and then hit him with a large enough plasma blast which is what reed was talking about when he said trying to disperse his energy. Cyclotron clearly was needed to help his synch and match his frequency. It worked, but he didn't release a large enough plasma blast to dissipate him until later. So summary, synch worked, past history made them connected, needed help to do it and not applicable here.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok...im lost for words on this post.

Her comment was no worse than yours.

Originally posted by leonidas


adam is bad ass. this match is nothing but close. anyone saying otherwise is biased or doesn't know adam. /shrug

Ahem! You didn't even remember anti-man and BM's fight on the moon

Hope your not referring to me in that comment

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He wasn't at his amped levels there.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
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Amazing showing. Even while not amped he was handling the Avengers. Don't get why we are discrediting Adam fts.

Amazing showing? Wasn't exactly he was trying to fight back there. He was slowly remembering what he did and was conflicted

Originally posted by -K-M-
He wasn't at his amped levels there.

How do you see the fight going? Who wins the majority?

Originally posted by Zack M
How do you see the fight going? Who wins the majority?

Zod wins the majority

Blue Marvel

Blue Marvel

Zod takes the majority.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Zod wins the majority

Adam could possibly dominate a power battery like Zod. In regards to Monica Rambeau; we've already seen him fuse at will, with a quasi biological energy source which should further express his ability to control, and or dynamically manipulate energy to certain extremes. I think that Adam would dominate an unprotected Kryptonian based on this fact alone. First of all, Adam is a heavyweight. He was never introduced as anything less than a heavyweight. Wonder Man is a cruiser weight.

Adam stomps this one.

He manipulated anti-matter in Monica. Nor could he do that on the fly in the middle of a fight. Not sure why that was even brought up

"He was never introduced as anything less than a heavyweight. Wonder Man is a cruiser weight." What?

Originally posted by -K-M-
He manipulated anti-matter in Monica. Nor could he do that on the fly in the middle of a fight. Not sure why that was even brought up

"He was never introduced as anything less than a heavyweight. Wonder Man is a cruiser weight." What?

It was on the fly enough to deal with Zod. Zod isn't stronger or tougher by any stretch of the imagination KM. He recently fused with Monica during a battle unless I missed something? Are you denying Adam's ability to dynamically manipulate energy? Zod isn't one shotting Adam if this was something that was agreed upon. I'd like to know why you believe that Zod would be outside of Adam's range in terms of energy manipulation? He also saved Monica on the fly when she was mortally wounded. You aren't suggesting that Zod is going to zip in and turn Adam into a statue, because he's x amount of times faster are you? He restrained the ghost of the Shaper of Worlds a flipping Cosmic Cube. Zod isn't winning this based off of shit that didn't happen. Adam still remains a heavy weight, in terms of Earth heroes. When did he have this low showing that has allowed people to make claim that he isn't a heavy weight? The question of whether or not he exhibited the ability to control and manipulate energy with the mind of a scientific genius, and the ability to fight guys in Zods weight class has already come and gone. Adam can do it, because he has. Zod has no protection from Adam's powers on the other hand, which is like coming into this fight with a butter knife.

Originally posted by Stoic
It was on the fly enough to deal with Zod. Zod isn't stronger or tougher by any stretch of the imagination KM. He recently fused with Monica during a battle unless I missed something? Are you denying Adam's ability to dynamically manipulate energy? Zod isn't one shotting Adam if this was something that was agreed upon. I'd like to know why you believe that Zod would be outside of Adam's range in terms of energy manipulation? He also saved Monica on the fly when she was mortally wounded. You aren't suggesting that Zod is going to zip in and turn Adam into a statue, because he's x amount of times faster are you? He restrained the ghost of the Shaper of Worlds a flipping Cosmic Cube. Zod isn't winning this based off of shit that didn't happen. Adam still remains a heavy weight, in terms of Earth heroes. When did he have this low showing that has allowed people to make claim that he isn't a heavy weight? The question of whether or not he exhibited the ability to control and manipulate energy with the mind of a scientific genius, and the ability to fight guys in Zods weight class has already come and gone. Adam can do it, because he has. Zod has no protection from Adam's powers on the other hand, which is like coming into this fight with a butter knife.

Are you talking about Mighty Avengers #3?. It took SIGNFICANT time and Monica was holding in a single place and it was all anti-matter. Actually burden of proof is on you that he is in the scope to manipulate Zod. Nice deflection though.

You said Wonder Man is a cruiserweight? What on earth did that come from? I was commenting on that. but really lot of text completely outside of the initial point mostly rambling and deflection attempts for things I never said or implied

What has Zod done for you to think he pull the win here? He got stomped by WW.

Owned Cyborg Superman.

Originally posted by Zack M
Owned Cyborg Superman.

Cyborg Superman admitted he underestimated Zod and what has Cyborg Superman done? He beat Mongul but Mongul only have one good showing tbh.

Cyborg superman is trans level. All pre-flashpoint feats count.

Originally posted by carver9
What has Zod done for you to think he pull the win here? He got stomped by WW.

Beat Cyborg and Mongul

Stomped by WW? haha what?

What has BM done to think he would win?

Originally posted by Zack M
Cyborg superman is trans level. All pre-flashpoint feats count.

No, it doesn't and Cyborg Superman got one punched by Supergirl, an injured Supergirl. Some trans level...

Yes, it does.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Beat Cyborg and Mongul

Stomped by WW? haha what?

A Cyborg Superman who admitted he underestimated Zod and who doesn't have any respectable fts to note. Lol...Mongul at best is low Herald. Sinestro beat him with a depleted power ring, lol.

Yes, Wonder Woman stomped him.

No, she didn't

Originally posted by Zack M
Yes, it does.

Based on.

Originally posted by carver9
Based on.

Rebirth.

Originally posted by Zack M
No, she didn't

Ok.

WW never KOd him.

Originally posted by carver9
A Cyborg Superman who admitted he underestimated Zod and who doesn't have any respectable fts to not. Lol...Mongul at best is low Herald. Sinestro beat him with a depleted power ring, lol.

Yes, Wonder Woman stomped him.

Are you referring to Hank? his pre52 stories are back in canon. There is technically two cyborg superman running around. Zor-El is the new52 version but Mxy brought back pre52 Hank and his memories ie. all his feats

Sinestro beating Mongul means he is low herald? What? There is also context too

Riiiight Carver.