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Both in their civies.

No powers, no magic.

Pure hand-to-hand.

Doom breaks Cyclops neck then disintegrates his body with punches.

Doom's lion feat is obviously up there (along with the Megalodons)....what does Cyke have?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
...what does Cyke have?
A slight chance of surviving this encounter.

He's shown great proficiency while fighting blind, for example.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/8582/680877-640243_ma6a_super.jpg

Cyclops, while able to use his powers, which he cant here, has things like this happen.
https://imghost.io/images/2017/09/06/image.png
No way he's winning this fight.

Like you would know.

Doom is nowhere near as good of a fighter as Shen Kuei.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Like you would know.

Doom is nowhere near as good of a fighter as Shen Kuei.
Cyclops on the other hand, is a fine practice dummy.

Aaaanyway, not in the mood to spam this thread listening to you talk shit for multiple posts, which you will, given the chance.
I'll check back later, see if anyone else has chimed in.

Good riddance.

Doomvs Spidey:
https://m.imgur.com/8ISOlHx

Against Cap:
https://m.imgur.com/dG5TUDw

Against Panther,who's inthrice blessed armour?
https://m.imgur.com/IpMtWmK

As DD:
https://m.imgur.com/Wo0abJG

I give him very very good odds against Cyke. Who has skills, but not on Doom's level

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomvs Spidey:
https://m.imgur.com/8ISOlHx

Marvel Adventures universe. Not canon to 616.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Marvel_Adventures:_Spider-Man_Vol_1_9

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I give him very very good odds against Cyke. Who has skills, but not on Doom's level

7-8/10?

I don't think we see him getting his hands dirty often enough. Granted, Cyke doesn't rely on his hth skills too often either, but I could see him trashing Doom.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111192655/4305320-cyke%27s+h2h.png

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11119/111192655/4305323-cyke+hand.png

He had a great showing against Wolverine in the early "All-New, All-Different" X-Men days... but there was context, namely Wolverine recovering from the Proteus' assault. The fight was a therapy of sorts.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Good riddance.
Point proven. Thank you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomvs Spidey:
https://m.imgur.com/8ISOlHx

Against Cap:
https://m.imgur.com/dG5TUDw

Against Panther,who's inthrice blessed armour?
https://m.imgur.com/IpMtWmK

As DD:
https://m.imgur.com/Wo0abJG

I give him very very good odds against Cyke. Who has skills, but not on Doom's level

And thank you.
You're being much more generous to Cyke than me, though.
Cyke's gotten MA training sure, as part of his X Men training, but not enough to put him above the level of guys like Nick Fury, Tony Stark, Rick Flag, Steve Trevor...guys that do well against nameless mooks like in the scan Stilt posted, and low level bad guys.

Originally posted by riv6672
Point proven. Thank you.



And thank you.
You're being much more generous to Cyke than me, though.
Cyke's gotten MA training sure, as part of his X Men training, but not enough to put him above the level of guys like Nick Fury, Tony Stark, Rick Flag, Steve Trevor...guys that do well against nameless mooks like in the scan Stilt posted, and low level bad guys.

That... Just seems wrong, somehow.

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Topic wise, I have no idea how good Doom is, but Cyclops is pretty good.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomvs Spidey:
https://m.imgur.com/8ISOlHx

Against Cap:
https://m.imgur.com/dG5TUDw

Against Panther,who's inthrice blessed armour?
https://m.imgur.com/IpMtWmK

As DD:
https://m.imgur.com/Wo0abJG

I give him very very good odds against Cyke. Who has skills, but not on Doom's level


The best part of this is the "witless peasant" put-down from Doom to Captain America. I think 'witless peasant' needs to become a new thing.

Cyclops has been established as a very decent martial artist all in all. He lacks the cheese feats that Doom have, but his display of precision skill and prediction make him quite competent.

I'm very excited. I just discovered that the yellow plush puppet in my sig actually has a name - 'Flat Eric'. He made hilarious electro-dance songs in the 90's. Here's a link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsbP13xu6k

I'm sorry it has nothing to do with the thread, it's just that I was so pleased to discover this I had to share.

For the record I think Doom wins. You just can't argue with wrestling a full-grown lion butt naked.

Originally posted by riv6672
Point proven. Thank you.



And thank you.
You're being much more generous to Cyke than me, though.
Cyke's gotten MA training sure, as part of his X Men training, but not enough to put him above the level of guys like Nick Fury, Tony Stark, Rick Flag, Steve Trevor...guys that do well against nameless mooks like in the scan Stilt posted, and low level bad guys.

Fury is a decent ma tho...Scott is like a tier below the likes of Nightwing/Todd.

^^^Two scans of Cyke fighting no name mooks doesnt put him anywhere NEAR two characters who rely almost exclusively on their MA skills to keep up with metahumans of all size and shape/were trained by the likes of Batman and Shiva.

Again, Scott received MA training, as part of his training to become an X Man, and thats fine.
That puts him at a level of say, military personnel, not among some of comics' most elite MAs.

Originally posted by Bentley
Cyclops has been established as a very decent martial artist all in all.
Yeah, i'd say he's decent.
Actually thats exactly what i'd say.

Originally posted by Bentley
He lacks the cheese feats that Doom have
There's a reason for that.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Two scans of Cyke fighting no name mooks doesnt put him anywhere NEAR two characters who rely almost exclusively on their MA skills to keep up with metahumans of all size and shape/were trained by the likes of Batman and Shiva.

Again, Scott received MA training, as part of his training to become an X Man, and thats fine.
That puts him at a level of say, military personnel, not among some of comics' most elite MAs.


Yeah, i'd say he's decent.
Actually thats exactly what i'd say.


There's a reason for that.

Thats an odd way of thinking. Fighting legions of "mooks" is how you get established. Ninjak for example almost exclusively faces mooks, same goes for Shadow, etc.. whereas chars like tim drake fights named combatants and routinely gets outclassed. Scott just has more to rely on than simply h2h skills.

As does the guy who contends with Strange in magic and Tony in tech...

Good catch Stilt on the non canon. Still,the other scans showed him without the benefit of his armour systems etc against Tchalla and Cap, two very formidable MAs,....

7/8, poss even 9 against Scott.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats an odd way of thinking. Fighting legions of "mooks" is how you get established. Ninjak for example almost exclusively faces mooks, same goes for Shadow, etc.. whereas chars like tim drake fights named combatants and routinely gets outclassed. Scott just has more to rely on than simply h2h skills.
I am NOT being combative w. you when i say i find that an odd way of looking at things.
We simply disagree here, and i appreciate you clarifying your stance on this for me/the thread, as i was trying to do for you/the thread.

Originally posted by wuleecat
I'm very excited. I just discovered that the yellow plush puppet in my sig actually has a name - 'Flat Eric'. He made hilarious electro-dance songs in the 90's. Here's a link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsbP13xu6k

I'm sorry it has nothing to do with the thread, it's just that I was so pleased to discover this I had to share.

For the record I think Doom wins. You just can't argue with wrestling a full-grown lion butt naked.

You're just finding that out now? How old are you?

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One thing about Cyclops that needs to be remembered too, is that while he doesn't have many feats of his own, he does have statements made about him too. During the Claremont days, Colossus flat out states that it's Cyclops's training that helps him win out.

I have no idea if it puts him above Doom (and tbh, from what I've seen so far, I can't see it doing it), but it's easy to take what little we've gotten over the years and put Cyclops above most non-martial arts fighters in comics, seeing as he has at least two himself.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're just finding that out now? How old are you?

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One thing about Cyclops that needs to be remembered too, is that while he doesn't have many feats of his own, he does have statements made about him too. During the Claremont days, Colossus flat out states that it's Cyclops's training that helps him win out.

I have no idea if it puts him above Doom (and tbh, from what I've seen so far, I can't see it doing it), but it's easy to take what little we've gotten over the years and put Cyclops above most non-martial arts fighters in comics, seeing as he has at least two himself.

Scott is the Xmens version of Rogers without the flag and speeches. His spatial awarness that surpasses teleporters (looking at you elf), uncanny aim and a tactical genius that can/has defeated his own team solo. Couple that with an ability to adapt to any situation and Doom has his hands full. People just sell him short in favor of "cooler" xmen.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Scott is the Xmens version of Rogers without the flag and speeches. His spatial awarness that surpasses teleporters (looking at you elf), uncanny aim and a tactical genius that can/has defeated his own team solo. Couple that with an ability to adapt to any situation and Doom has his hands full. People just sell him short in favor of "cooler" xmen.

Nice to see more people on KMC that share that opinion.

None of those things (spatial awareness/uncanny aim are all about his eye beams, tactical genius is about his leading teams) have any bearing on this fight.

Since we're at the point where we're waxing poetic about his many non OP related virtues and how cool Cyclops is, i'm comfortable with my call on a winner here.
Doom.

You seem annoyed.

Quite Pleased actually.

I thought putting a at the end of my starement qould have come off as snarky though.

george

Originally posted by -Pr-
You seem annoyed.

Ikr. Thats just how riv posts tho ive noticed. Any post contrary to his is seen as a challenge. Even if its not directed at him.

Pr u remember when Scott used a sword to kill a monster while blindfolded?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ikr. Thats just how riv posts tho ive noticed. Any post contrary to his is seen as a challenge. Even if its not directed at him.

Maybe. Maybe not.
At least i've never said i'm actively out to get another poster.

Still waiting on that, BTW, boo.

george

Originally posted by -Pr-
You seem annoyed.

He always is.

Perhaps because Doom has nothing of substance aside from that infamous lion feat.

Against Cap, it's a different kind of a feat and mostly lip service.

Against Panther, he still has his armor, whether it's fully operational or not.

--
Feats and abilities of both parties can be belittled.

Originally posted by riv6672
Maybe. Maybe not.
At least i've never said i'm actively out to get another poster.

Still waiting on that, BTW, boo.

george

No idea what youre talking about

Originally posted by riv6672
Quite Pleased actually.

I thought putting a at the end of my starement qould have come off as snarky though.

george

Okay.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ikr. Thats just how riv posts tho ive noticed. Any post contrary to his is seen as a challenge. Even if its not directed at him.

Pr u remember when Scott used a sword to kill a monster while blindfolded?

This one?

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064360_2291768.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064361_2917341.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064362_7019621.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064363_2164933.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064364_2571024.jpg

It's a good feat, as he is pretty beat up by the time the actual fight occurs.

^ Another great fight of fighting blind, but I wouldn't want to see Cyke trying to engage Victor in a sword fight, tbh:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill03SVTU13.jpg

Earlier in the issue, he talks about how the Professor used to make him train blindfolded, so it's not a new experience for him. That, and earlier on he'd been fighting a group of man-bat type things, and was doing well until they overwhelmed him.

But yeah, I wouldn't bet on him against Doom either.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay.



This one?

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064360_2291768.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064361_2917341.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064362_7019621.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064363_2164933.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/36064364_2571024.jpg

It's a good feat, as he is pretty beat up by the time the actual fight occurs.

Thats the one 👍👍. I could not remember the scene. Getting old thx

In the fight against the street thugs, he mentions how he learned from other X-Men:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/X-MenUnlimited31-18.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/X-MenUnlimited31-19.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/X-MenUnlimited31-20.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c251/ShadowBoxing01/X-MenUnlimited31-21.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats the one 👍👍. I could not remember the scene. Getting old thx

Np.

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yeah was thinking that too @ Stilt. Just shows how he goes out of his way to learn from others even while he's teaching them at the same time.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
^ Another great fight of fighting blind, but I wouldn't want to see Cyke trying to engage Victor in a sword fight, tbh:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSkill03SVTU13.jpg

Classy. Doom/Namor/Tchalla need to do a team-up. They have more in common than they realize

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Classy. Doom/Namor/Tchalla need to do a team-up. They have more in common than they realize

Originally, T'Challa and Doom respected each other.

Hudlin ruined that, I believe.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Originally, T'Challa and Doom respected each other.

Hudlin ruined that, I believe.

Well, can't have whitey getting in the way.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Originally, T'Challa and Doom respected each other.

Hudlin ruined that, I believe.

Never cared for hudlin and his depiction of panther + ceaseless upgrades.

He made Doom racist, too.

Does doom have his armour
Or just bare bodied?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Both in their civies.

I'd take Scott in this one