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Originally posted by Galan007
Darth Vader:
https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347093_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-007.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347094_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-008.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347095_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-009.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347096_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-010.jpg

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347097_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-011.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347098_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-012.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347099_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-013.jpg https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/36347100_Darth_Vader_2017-_006-014.jpg

-From Darth Vader #6 (2017)

That was very amusing.

Poor GI never had a chance

Looks like Vader is going to school them all next issue

Full comic: http://readcomicbooksonline.net/reader/Darth_Vader_2017/Darth_Vader_(2017)_6/

Lol what a sh1tty saber design.

Was pretty nice, still don't like the saber design, but at least there's a diverse appearance to the Inquisitors.

Some neat holistic sstuff for the inquisitors here.

1. The implication that the inqusitor's skill was impressive enough to be considered among council masters.

2. The jedi surviving order 66 being especially strong, which would mean the inqusitors were trained to take on especially strong jedi.

That they're not total fodder shouldn't really be a suprise though considering their impressive feats and scaling

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Some neat holistic sstuff for the inquisitors here.

1. The implication that the inqusitor's skill was impressive enough to be considered among council masters.

2. The jedi surviving order 66 being especially strong, which would mean the inqusitors were trained to take on especially strong jedi.

That they're not total fodder shouldn't really be a suprise though considering their impressive feats and scaling
And Queen T fodderized em all.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Some neat holistic sstuff for the inquisitors here.

1. The implication that the inqusitor's skill was impressive enough to be considered among council masters.

2. The jedi surviving order 66 being especially strong, which would mean the inqusitors were trained to take on especially strong jedi.

That they're not total fodder shouldn't really be a suprise though considering their impressive feats and scaling

Not really sure it's saying his skill was Council level, he was just wanting to have more knowledge more than anything.

I'd imagine it'd be logical that those who survived Order 66 would be strong Jedi.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
And Queen T fodderized em all.


yup

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Not really sure it's saying his skill was Council level, he was just wanting to have more knowledge more than anything.

I'd imagine it'd be logical that those who survived Order 66 would be strong Jedi.
I mean, fair, it's a subjective opinion, but it makes him come across as an impressively skilled swordsman rather than the Padawan-low jedi-knight fodder he's thought of to be for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I mean, fair, it's a subjective opinion, but it makes him come across as an impressively skilled swordsman rather than the Padawan-low jedi-knight fodder he's thought of to be for whatever reason.

I can't really imagine him being anything higher than a seasoned Jedi Knight, which seems fair since he was a Jedi Temple Guard and that's no real negative against him since the vast majority of the Order would be Knights.

Any word yet on the other Inquisitors? If any of them were former Jedi?

It seems to indicate they all were since Sidious they were "former servants of the Light."

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Any word yet on the other Inquisitors? If any of them were former Jedi?

Palpatine mentions how they were all servants of the Light once so yeah, they were Jedi.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I mean, fair, it's a subjective opinion, but it makes him come across as an impressively skilled swordsman rather than the Padawan-low jedi-knight fodder he's thought of to be for whatever reason.

Also fair to mention that this is before gaining 15 years of experience, getting trained by Darth Vader himself and studying the Jedi Archives (which at this point he hasn't done). It's even mentioned in the Star Wars Rebels Visual Guide that the GI's greatest asset is his ability to analyze and counter lightsaber styles because of his immense knowledge.

The Grand Inquisitor was a cool character, I actually liked him.

Then Filoni had him lose to Kanan Jarrus and killed him off after one season.

Originally posted by godemperortrump
The Grand Inquisitor was a cool character, I actually liked him.

Then Filoni had him lose to Kanan Jarrus and killed him off after one season.

A shame that. But on the other hand, with the way things have been going...perhaps it was for the best in the end.

Boring ass issue.

Instead of doing something cool like seeing the Inquisitorius formed, it's already around. Worse, they all look like they do in Rebels even though that is around 15 years later. I mean, are we really supposed to believe that the 7sis is well over her 30s in Rebels?

And the GI comes across as a whiny ***** in this issue. I can't believe that Palpatine would take that kind of shit from someone as weak as that.

Oh hey Jocasta is alive now

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
2. The jedi surviving order 66 being especially strong, which would mean the inqusitors were trained to take on especially strong jedi.
Nah. I recall Filoni's commented that they're padawan or Knight level, with the best around Ventress.

Palpatine's version of a powerful threat isn't the same as ours. I doubt Jocusta is remotely powerful, but she's described as "one of the most dangerous Jedi remaining alive" due to the knowledge she wields.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nah. Filoni's commented they're padawan or Knight level, with the best around Ventress.

Palpatine's version of a powerful threat isn't the same as ours. I doubt Jocusta is remotely powerful, but she's described as "one of the most dangerous Jedi remaining alive" due to the knowledge she wields.

Eh I'm sure Jocusta has something to her name, I mean the knowledge she has, there's gotta be something. Though power wise, yeah she might not be like up there.

well i mean, she was a former council member iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nG8jxVgqm0

Filoni says the GI is "more than a match" for a "youngling or Padawan," but says the GI would be "a lot harder pressed" versus a Council member.

And then he says Mace is "far, far, far above the Inquisitor we see in Star Wars Rebels."

Sort of strange how he went from Padawan to Council member, but the implication is he's around Knight level to me.

Throughout the interview Filoni emphasizes that the GI "isn't as strong as he seems." And then all the rest are even weaker as per Sidious.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
well i mean, she was a former council member iirc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvyKkjFVoBY

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvyKkjFVoBY

I still find that the death doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Some neat holistic sstuff for the inquisitors here.

1. The implication that the inqusitor's skill was impressive enough to be considered among council masters.

That they're not total fodder shouldn't really be a suprise though considering their impressive feats and scaling
Not really. Palpatine says "councils," suggesting one of the lesser three.

Impressive, sure, but no implication he's High Council material.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really. Palpatine says "councils," suggesting one of the lesser three.

Impressive, sure, but no implication he's High Council material.
Fair enough.
Ah the lower councils a thing in canon?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nG8jxVgqm0

Filoni says the GI is "more than a match" for a "youngling or Padawan," but says the GI would be "a lot harder pressed" versus a Council member.

And then he says Mace is "far, far, far above the Inquisitor we see in Star Wars Rebels."

Sort of strange how he went from Padawan to Council member, but the implication is he's around Knight level to me.

Throughout the interview Filoni emphasizes that the GI "isn't as strong as he seems." And then all the rest are even weaker as per Sidious.
How did you get knight level from being hard-pressed against council masters?

And yea, Mace is also far far far above most members of the jedi council.

Also, hasn't feloni called the GI Ventress-level?

Because if the GI was "more than a match" for Knights he would have mentioned them alongside the younglings or padawans.

He's said the best I is Ventress level, but the way he worded it implied the GI isn't the best as of Rebels.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Fair enough.
Ah the lower councils a thing in canon?
Yep. He probably wanted to get into the Tower of First Knowledge.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nG8jxVgqm0

Filoni says the GI is "more than a match" for a "youngling or Padawan," but says the GI would be "a lot harder pressed" versus a Council member.

And then he says Mace is "far, far, far above the Inquisitor we see in Star Wars Rebels."

Sort of strange how he went from Padawan to Council member, but the implication is he's around Knight level to me.

Throughout the interview Filoni emphasizes that the GI "isn't as strong as he seems." And then all the rest are even weaker as per Sidious.

And yet, in a future interview, he says "the best Inquisitor, probably, is almost like Ventress. But Ventress, I would think, is more powerful." And that would place him, assumign the GI is the best which seem likely, on a level with a Councilor though still well below Windu. So no contradiction with what he said there.

https://secure-hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/c/3/5/c35956a1f8aba75f/RebelForceRadio_070315_DaveFiloni1.mp3?c_id=9340343&expiration=1507182316&hwt=76e488275af6c2b3759bf4ff8e95f8c2

At around 51 minutes in.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because if the GI was "more than a match" for Knights he would have mentioned them alongside the younglings or Padawan.

He's said the best I is Ventress level, but the way he worded it implied the GI isn't the best as of Rebels.
If Gi was only jedi knight level, then why would he be mentioned alongside council masters?

Also, can you elaborateon the context applying to his belief GI was Ventress level? Because Ventress, when incredibly pre-prime, has outmatched council masters.

Originally posted by ares834
And yet, in a future interview, he says "the best Inquisitor, probably, is almost like Ventress. But Ventress, I would think, is more powerful." And that would place him, assumign the GI is the best which seem likely, on a level with a Councilor though still well below Windu. SO no contradiction with what he said there.

https://secure-hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/c/3/5/c35956a1f8aba75f/RebelForceRadio_070315_DaveFiloni1.mp3?c_id=9340343&expiration=1507182316&hwt=76e488275af6c2b3759bf4ff8e95f8c2

At around 51 minutes in.
The way he words it makes me think it's not referring to the GI.


He's not? Filoni suggests GI is below the Council.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The way he words it makes me think it's not referring to the GI.


He's not? Filoni suggests GI is below the Council.
Being hard pressed by someone doesn't indicate inferiority.

That's the impression I'm getting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nG8jxVgqm0&t=7m00s

I put the time-stamp. Listen to the end, though.

It doesn't necessarily indicate superiority or equality either. You can be below somebody and press them hard. Though if Filoni was talking about the GI when comparing him to Ventress he's definitely Council tier.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's the impression I'm getting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nG8jxVgqm0&t=7m00s

I put the time-stamp. Listen to the end, though.
I'm not really getting that impression at all.

And that the GI is only knight level makes little sense when we consider
A. the feats his inferiors have
B. being trained to take on especially strong jedi
C. being implied to be skilled enough to stand among powerful members of the order even before getting trained by Vader
D. Feloni's own rating of the inquisitor as almost Ventress level

If the GI is actually Ventress level, sure, but I'm operating under the assumption that he's not.

Maybe someone can ask someone for clarification?

Well, I guess we'll see where the GI stands as we see more of him in the Vader comics.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If the GI is actually Ventress level, sure, but I'm operating under the assumption that he's not.

Maybe someone can ask someone for clarification?
"almost" ventress level isn't the same as ventress level.

Also, I wouldn't give it too much weight unless Feloni was actually expressing authorial intent there, which he may or may not have been.

He has plenty showing he's a powerful dude regardless of that.

"Almost Ventress level"

So he's B-Team level?

He's definitely better than the average jedi knight

Originally posted by Rebel95
He's definitely better than the average jedi knight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNLA7t-gIY&t=1m11s

xD

Originally posted by Rebel95
He's definitely better than the average jedi knight

Well don't think we have any real evidence of an average Jedi Knight for Canon, soo...what's that saying?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNLA7t-gIY&t=1m11s


inqusitors>vader

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
inqusitors>vader


and the Emperor

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I can't really imagine him being anything higher than a seasoned Jedi Knight, which seems fair since he was a Jedi Temple Guard and that's no real negative against him since the vast majority of the Order would be Knights.
You realize this was the GI before getting trained by Vader?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You realize this was the GI before getting trained by Vader?

Yes and?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Well don't think we have any real evidence of an average Jedi Knight for Canon, soo...what's that saying?
I'm not the one who said he was Knight level, so...

Originally posted by Rebel95
I'm not the one who said he was Knight level, so...

Oh I know.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Any word yet on the other Inquisitors? If any of them were former Jedi? Indeed. Palpatine implied that ALL of the Inquisitorius were former Jedi:
https://i.imgur.com/RzH9DIJ.jpg

Huh. Wonder if any of them were Knighted before being turned as well.

Originally posted by Rebel95
I'm not the one who said he was Knight level, so...


Well given he was a Knight, I'd say he by definition was Knight level.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yes and?
And your reasoning for him still being knight level, which is kinda laughable when he scales above feats more impressive than those achieved by members on the jedi council, is based on what he did prior to getting more than a decade of training under Vader.

Hence your reasoning doesn't work for the inquisitor as of Rebels.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
And your reasoning for him still being knight level, which is kinda laughable when he scales above feats more impressive than those achieved by members on the jedi council, is based on what he did prior to getting more than a decade of training under Vader.

Hence your reasoning doesn't work for the inquisitor as of Rebels.

So you're just giving him stuff, when he hasn't even shown much of anything, you really wanna believe he's Council level? So then what, Kanan jumped up several notches throughout the course of a few months then? That's what you wanna believe? You really wanna believe that Rebels introduced this character so powerful, then killing him off after 1 Season?

Yeah that sounds a little far fetched for my tastes.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So you're just giving him stuff, when he hasn't even shown much of anything, you really wanna believe he's Council level? So then what,
.
Bruh, he scales above both the seventh sister and the 5th brother and versions of Kanan that have showings/feats that even members on the council don't have anything to match.
But because he was a temple guard when a decade pre-prime he's suddenly knight level?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Kanan jumped up several notches throughout the course of a few months then? That's what you wanna believe?
.
Bro, GI was, per Feloni, >>Kanan. Then he wrecks Kanan days before his finaL fight with him. Heck even in the same fight he was beating both Kanan and Ezra.

Trying to act as if the Kanan that beat the GI wasn't performing at a much higher level than the one who was getting wrecked by him is an exercise in denial.

Not that kanan's all too shabby of a measuring stick when an inferior version of the Kanan who GI was clowning can do sh!t like this:


You're trying to force a restriction which there's no evidence for.

That's fairly obvious when you try to pass this off as a legitimate argument:


Where exactly are you going with this?


Farfetched based on what?

Why does he scale both above the 7th and 5th? What I'm going with is this, you really expect that the writers wanted the GI to be a Council level combatant? You sure?

I'm not denying that the GI isn't great, but I feel adding him to Council level is a little bit of a stretch. I'm willing to place him at Knight level, because that's more sound until there's more information. 1 comic issue doesn't cut that.

Unless of course, the writers don't give a flying bantha about placement in relation to where characters stand as combatants.

The Grand Inquisitor is obviously not High Council level, come on, lol.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Why does he scale both above the 7th and 5th? What I'm going with is this, you really expect that the writers wanted the GI to be a Council level combatant? You sure?

Sidious or Vader implied he was the best of the inqusitors in the most recent comic, and he's considered their master.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
I'm not denying that the GI isn't great, but I feel adding him to Council level is a little bit of a stretch. I'm willing to place him at Knight level, because that's more sound until there's more information. 1 comic issue doesn't cut that.

It's not just one comic issue, it's all the scaling he gets over incarnations of Kanan and other inqusitors who have feats that place them at their level.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Unless of course, the writers don't give a flying bantha about placement in relation to where characters stand as combatants.
Why would the GI being on the level of council masters mean the writers don't give a crap about where characters stand as combatants?
Based on what can't the GI be on the level of council masters?

Originally posted by |King Joker|
The Grand Inquisitor is obviously not High Council level, come on, lol.
If all you have here is an appeal to incredulity, I'll be ignoring that in favor of the GI's scaling and feats which are more impressive than what members of the council have to offer.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Based on what can't the GI be on the level of council masters?

https://media.giphy.com/media/qqiPVpkKEHCTK/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well given he was a Knight, I'd say he by definition was Knight level.
Except he has more experience since the purge, can now tap into the dark side, and is later trained by Vader. So I'd assume he's substantially above knight level

Actually you know what? Fine if you wanna believe he's Council level, though this makes the writers complete idiots on Rebels for introducing such a supposedly powerful character for all of 1 Season and then come in with 2 lesser powerful characters for the remainder.

How in that is logical progression? You don't fight the boss first and then fight the minions. But you know, with all the face scrunching writing going on in Canon...well hey, lets just throw all sense out the window.

Since when did Rebels have logical progression?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Actually you know what? Fine if you wanna believe he's Council level, though this makes the writers complete idiots on Rebels for introducing such a supposedly powerful character for all of 1 Season and then come in with 2 lesser powerful characters for the remainder.

How in that is logical progression? You don't fight the boss first and then fight the minions. But you know, with all the face scrunching writing going on...well hey, lets just throw all sense out the window.
Uh yea, the logical progression is from the inquisitor to Darth Vader, someone who would roflstomp most council masters.

And yes, if they wanted to bring in Darth fcking Vader, they'd throw out the inquisitor even if he was on par with Kit Fisto.

Stop trying to second guess authorial intent and just take the L zen.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Uh yea, the logical progression is from the inquisitor to Darth Vader, someone who would roflstomp most council masters.

And yes, if they wanted to bring in Darth fcking Vader, they'd throw out the inquisitor even if he was on par with Kit Fisto.

Stop trying to second guess authorial intent and just take the L zen.

Darth Vader wasn't the antagonist in the series, he had best showed up a few times, the actual antagonists were the Inquisitors.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Actually you know what? Fine if you wanna believe he's Council level, though this makes the writers complete idiots on Rebels for introducing such a supposedly powerful character for all of 1 Season and then come in with 2 lesser powerful characters for the remainder.

How in that is logical progression? You don't fight the boss first and then fight the minions. But you know, with all the face scrunching writing going on in Canon...well hey, lets just throw all sense out the window.

Even if the GI isn't Councilor-level that's exactly what happened.

Originally posted by ares834
Even if the GI isn't Councilor-level that's exactly what happened.

True, but now it's just worse if true.

Kanan Jarrus > Council members confirmed.

This was obvious. :/

Kanan vs Savage?
Also Syn GH

Kanan ragdolls.

Nah, doing essays.

I think you're trolling, but not sure.

Only for 10 minutes

Originally posted by Zenwolf
True, but now it's just worse if true.
If what Ares said is true regardless of how powerful the GI is, then your argument here is bunk.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
If what Ares said is true regardless of how powerful the GI is, then your argument here is bunk.

My argument wasn't even that. That wasn't even really an argument.