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I don't know much about him, where do you all place him? Why? Trying to get a feel for how strong he is.

Could be massivy sub-Vader or Vader++ depending on your interpretation

vader ++,yea, quite possibly sids level

Sounds like I need to raise him.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
vader ++,yea, quite possibly sids level

A guy who gets mindraped by 5ABY Luke is totally Sidious-level

I think he's trolling...

Originally posted by Azronger
A guy who gets mindraped by 5ABY Luke is totally Sidious-level
Cept that's not what happened.

As for why he could be sids-level?

->He's potrayed as a second coming of Sidious

->Is likened to Sidious multiple times

->Sidious was unable to fully grasp the dark power he mastered

->Stover repeatedly describes him in virtually the same way as he described Sidious, as a blackhole.

Yes it did happen lol.

Originally posted by Azronger
Yes it did happen lol.
There's a difference between telepathically wrecking someone by virtue of your own power and turning a weapon against someone.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Cept that's not what happened.

As for why he could be sids-level?

->He's potrayed as a second coming of Sidious

->Is likened to Sidious multiple times

->Sidious was unable to fully grasp the dark power he mastered

->Stover repeatedly describes him in virtually the same way as he described Sidious, as a blackhole.
I should add, his raw power, or fundamental connection to the force, rivals Vastor's. Vastor off course being someone who's raw power was on the scale of Yoda and Anakin.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Cept that's not what happened.

As for why he could be sids-level?

->He's potrayed as a second coming of Sidious

->Is likened to Sidious multiple times

->Sidious was unable to fully grasp the dark power he mastered

->Stover repeatedly describes him in virtually the same way as he described Sidious, as a blackhole.

-> So are half the Dark Jedi Luke faces from 4 ABY to 25 ABY, lol
-> Same as above
-> A contradictory notion, to be sure
-> Stover describing sh!t similarly doesn't mean anything, given Palpatine's description obviously carries a lot more weight

Sub-Ventress.

Average. He just had cool esoteric powers.

He's not particularly powerful, but he's very knowledgeable.

More powerful than Snoke, less powerful than Sheev