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Originally posted by socool8520
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yeah f*ck people who don't believe what you believe. they're the ones who are intolerant, not you.

Yeah

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Originally posted by socool8520
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Anti-atheist memes are vacuous nonsense devoid of any real content and that meme satirizes that fact perfectly.

lol

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Fly, go read your Bible and cry to Jesus. Your meme game blows.

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Originally posted by Flyattractor
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...what is this even in reference to? I don't think there's ever been a single openly atheist congressman, supreme court justice, or president, so it can't be talking about America.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
...what is this even in reference to? I don't think there's ever been a single openly atheist congressman, supreme court justice, or president, so it can't be talking about America.

It kind of goes with the "Separation of Church and State Argument".

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^ lol.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Fly, go read your Bible and cry to Jesus. Your meme game blows.

I would ask what do you cry into Pat, but then I remember...You got nuffin.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
...what is this even in reference to? I don't think there's ever been a single openly atheist congressman, supreme court justice, or president, so it can't be talking about America.

That's exactly why these memes are vacuous accusations. But that's okay, let Fly have his fantasy world.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
That's exactly why these memes are vacuous accusations. But that's okay, let Fly have his fantasy world.

Gee Thanks! You Atheist are the nicest of Soulless People..

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Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
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I like this one.

The answer is, "not tribal desert people who died 4,000 years ago," though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I like this one.

The answer is, "not tribal desert people who died 4,000 years ago," though.

I wanted to post that one but couldn't find a decent link to it.

An the Rebuttal to that is. No. They were written by biased pricks who were born in modern times but still act like a bunch of tribal desert people.

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Wrong thread.

Originally posted by MythLord
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Dear Jesus. Please open up Mythlords heart enough that he/she/it would try to help that African Child like the other two people in that meme did.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Dear Jesus. Please open up Mythlords heart enough that he/she/it would try to help that African Child like the other two people in that meme did.
No, they didn't, the cucks.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
No, they didn't, the cucks.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Prove it.
Prove that they did?

Originally posted by MythLord
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The very condemnation of modern Christianity, how they can preach to everyone atop their ivory hilltop and cast a blind eye on children starving and dying, among other atrocities this world heaps upon it's peoples.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Prove that they did?

I challenged you first.

Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
The very condemnation of modern Christianity, how they can preach to everyone atop their ivory hilltop and cast a blind eye on children starving and dying, among other atrocities this world heaps upon it's peoples.

The Christians do lots of stuff, it is the soulless people like Mythlord and ArtificalGlory that stand in the way of it. Besides that is a pic of a small child. Just consider it a Late Term Abortion and that makes it all ok.

Speaking of abortion...

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Originally posted by Flyattractor
I challenged you first.



The Christians do lots of stuff, it is the soulless people like Mythlord and ArtificalGlory that stand in the way of it. Besides that is a pic of a small child. Just consider it a Late Term Abortion and that makes it all ok.
You made the claim first.

I certainly don't stand in anyone's way. Do what you will.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
You made the claim first.

I certainly don't stand in anyone's way. Do what you will.

Which is more then what you do.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Which is more then what you do.
What do you mean? You made the claim that the people in the picture aided African children and now it's up to you to prove it.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
https://escapingatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/team-atheism-v5-300x236.jpg lmao

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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
What do you mean? You made the claim that the people in the picture aided African children and now it's up to you to prove it.

Yeah, not how it works. If you'd asked him for proof to begin with, it'd be a different story, but you went out and said that they didn't, so you're equally responsible for backing up your claim.

If that's supposed to be Tim Tebow, then he does have a charitable foundation in his name. It deal more with curing disease in children rather than feeding them, and it's hard to say how much he has personally contributed outside of his name. His foundation has donated somewhere around 5 million I believe. Always thought he was a nice enough guy just a shit QB at the pro level.

The other lady, who the hell knows?

I just enjoy watching the Soulless Atheists show just how hate filled they really are in a thread like this.

It'd be much more practical for atheists to attack other ideologies that will observably deteriorate and collapse a country if too far spread, like say Marxism, Nazism, racial collectivism, totalitarian ideologies, etc. Say what you want about Christianity, but history has proven that societies that are majority Christian are capable of and have historically thrived, with America being a great example of this. Take societies that have embraced Marxism however and they collapse.

It seems like a perverse misemphasis to place the focus of one's criticisms on Christianity when there are plenty of other ideologies much more deserving of criticism in regards to how they're acted out in the world.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It seems like a perverse misemphasis to place the focus of one's criticisms on Christianity when there are plenty of other ideologies much more deserving of criticism in regards to how they're acted out in the world.

Don't worry. We can multitask.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It'd be much more practical for atheists to attack other ideologies that will observably deteriorate and collapse a country if too far spread, like say Marxism, Nazism, racial collectivism, totalitarian ideologies, etc. Say what you want about Christianity, but history has proven that societies that are majority Christian are capable of and have historically thrived, with America being a great example of this. Take societies that have embraced Marxism however and they collapse.

It seems like a perverse misemphasis to place the focus of one's criticisms on Christianity when there are plenty of other ideologies much more deserving of criticism in regards to how they're acted out in the world.

Atheists are against those things. What are you talking about? I've never heard an Athiest say that being a racist or Nazi is good. Have you?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
I just enjoy watching the Soulless Atheists show just how hate filled they really are in a thread like this.

Hey now, I posted some Anti-Atheist memes and I am an Atheist. I can take a joke.

Originally posted by socool8520
Atheists are against those things. What are you talking about? I've never heard an Athiest say that being a racist or Nazi is good. Have you?
No, generally speaking though I've seen atheists emphasize criticism of Christianity over criticisms of other ideologies is the main point I'm making. The atheists who have their priorities straight are the ones who I actually think are concerned with making the world a better place even if I disagree with them on Christianity, the atheists who spend over half of their ideological criticism aimed at western religion to me seem more like they're trying to settle some personal score (such as say being pissed off at their religious family for their upbringing) than actually being motivated by altruism.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No, generally speaking though I've seen atheists emphasize criticism of Christianity over criticisms of other ideologies is the main point I'm making. The atheists who have their priorities straight are the ones who I actually think are concerned with making the world a better place even if I disagree with them on Christianity, the atheists who spend over half of their ideological criticism aimed at western religion to me seem more like they're trying to settle some personal score (such as say being pissed off at their religious family for their upbringing) than actually being motivated by altruism.
I think it only makes sense for an atheist to primarily criticize religion and if they grew up in the West, that religion is almost certainly going to be Christianity.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I think it only makes sense for an atheist to primarily criticize religion and if they grew up in the West, that religion is almost certainly going to be Christianity.
Why does that make sense for the primary criticism to be of an ideology that society has been proven capable of surviving if held by a significant majority of its constituents, as opposed to ideologies that when widespread have lead to the point of rotting away whatever societies they get integrated into?

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We've already talked about the fact that I don't think that Christianity is the major reason western civilization has done so well. However, I support religious freedom, but also the freedom to criticize just like all other things I believe are flawed. I would gladly call out Racism and discrimination as well.

Yes well why aren't their problems with things that are considerably worse? Again you aren't explaining how this is the appropriate area for emphasis.

As a Christian I am naturally poised to disagree with atheism, but I certainly give way more of a shit about other points of view that are considerably more disagreeable. I spend most of my time arguing against shit political ideologies, because I don't find atheism remotely threatening in comparison.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes well why aren't their problems with things that are considerably worse? Again you aren't explaining how this is the appropriate area for emphasis.
It depends on the person what they think is the appropriate area for emphasis, not to mention the fact that people can be concerned about more than one issue at a time. Like I said, there are legit problems with Christianity that need to be called out.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No, generally speaking though I've seen atheists emphasize criticism of Christianity over criticisms of other ideologies is the main point I'm making.

Naturally, because atheism is a stance on religion. It has nothing to do with anything else. If an atheist were to go after something besides religion, it wouldn't be as an atheist, if that makes sense. Just because there isn't an "atheist vs marxist" movement doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of atheists involved with anti-marxist movements.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
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This is more of an anti-religion meme.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
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Originally posted by Flyattractor
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Marriage is also forced on people in third world shitholes, guess we should judge marriage to be inherently corrupt and abolish that too.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Marriage is also forced on people in third world shitholes, guess we should judge marriage to be inherently corrupt and abolish that too.

False equivalency. No one is saying BAN RELIGION or BAN MARRIAGE. The point is the man is being punished for basically what is nothing more than a thought crime. Religion gives us that great nugget of moral wisdom.

Religion also gave us the great moral wisdom of inalienable rights that makes the West so great, and from that comes the tradition of there not being thought crimes in the West.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Religion also gave us the great moral wisdom of inalienable rights that makes the West so great, and from that comes the tradition of there not being thought crimes in the West.

Which is why, in my view, religions should be criticised individually instead of grouping them together. Some religions are worse than others.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Religion also gave us the great moral wisdom of inalienable rights that makes the West so great...

You're going to have to do some serious work to convince me of that. I think it's more likely that inalienable rights came about in spite of religion. Maybe a belief in God helped it come about, but certainly not religious texts themselves with the condoning of slavery and subjugation of women.

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They got us...

I question religion but a lot of atheists go out of their way to put down religious people who are decent. if their god doesn't exist to you then there's no need to bash. just ignore. don't virtue signal and act like you're trying to save lives. it's obvious, you're just trying to appear smarter. quit that shiit.

*FEDORA TIPPING INTENSIFIES*

Originally posted by RHaggis
*FEDORA TIPPING INTENSIFIES*

I still don't know what this fedora thing means. tried looking it up but couldn't get info

Originally posted by Raisen
I still don't know what this fedora thing means. tried looking it up but couldn't get info

It's a meme that sort of just got associated with smug atheists.

Originally posted by RHaggis
It's a meme that sort of just got associated with smug atheists.

thanks for the info.

Yeah, because we all wear fedoras.. lol

Originally posted by Ursumeles
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They got us...

8:80 AM? Surely, this is Satan's work.

^ Indeed. We can manipulate time itself. I find it funny we would pray to a dark lord that we don't believe exists as well. I guess the eating of babies would cause some mental and health issues though.

Originally posted by socool8520
I find it funny we would pray to a dark lord that we don't believe exists as well.

Shut up, his malevolence is different.

Originally posted by socool8520
I guess the eating of babies would cause some mental and health issues though.



It's funny, but sadly this is actually probably an all-too-real perception that many people have of atheists, which is why we can't get anyone relatively reasonable elected to public office.

The idea that we automatically worship Satan argument always gets me to laugh. lol

Originally posted by Emperordmb
No, generally speaking though I've seen atheists emphasize criticism of Christianity over criticisms of other ideologies is the main point I'm making. The atheists who have their priorities straight are the ones who I actually think are concerned with making the world a better place even if I disagree with them on Christianity, the atheists who spend over half of their ideological criticism aimed at western religion to me seem more like they're trying to settle some personal score (such as say being pissed off at their religious family for their upbringing) than actually being motivated by altruism.
Or maybe Christians should focus less on preaching Christianity than they do actually solving word problems which have nothing to do with Christian faith?

But nah, leave it to religious people to try and shame atheists for not solving problems they have far more power and resources to solve than atheists do. Problems that are possibly more attributable to religious imposition, then a criticism of religion.

Last I checked, Aithiest's lack of belief isn't the reason why 38% of people in our country still believe in creationism.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Religion also gave us the great moral wisdom of inalienable rights that makes the West so great, and from that comes the tradition of there not being thought crimes in the West.

Yea, no, religion was the reason monarchy was a thing in the first place.

There's a reason that we've progressed as our society has become more secular and has less reliant on the church for the decisions we make.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang

Yea, no, religion was the reason monarchy was a thing in the first place.

There's a reason that we've progressed as our society has become more secular and has less reliant on the church for the decisions we make.
A belief in God is also what Locke extracted the notion of inalienable rights from and much of his political philosophy from, and his views helped throw off the shackles of monarchy, and were a pretty significant pillar upon which our nation was built.

Again if you wanna say religion's a net negative, that's your prerogative, but if you wanna say nothing good has ever come out of it for anyone that's just you being obtuse.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Or maybe Christians should focus less on preaching Christianity than they do actually solving word problems which have nothing to do with Christian faith?
Oh, Christians don't solve world problems? You mean like every one of our presidents ever, the people who founded our country, some of our greatest civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr. (who was a Christian minister), most of the people who have fought and died in wars for the US, a lot of the Christians I know who regularly donate to charity or help distribute food and clothes to poor and homeless people. But yeah no, we're all just a bunch of bloviating jackasses who care only for preaching.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
But nah, leave it to religious people to try and shame atheists for not solving problems they have far more power and resources to solve than atheists do. Problems that are possibly more attributable to religious imposition, then a criticism of religion.
I'd criticize a Christian who spent most of their ideological time bitching about atheism just as harshly.

The inalienable rights came about with a more secular approach. Not a religious one. Just because the "Creator" is involved it's still a secular understanding. If religious authorities were establishing rights they would probably deem it appropriate for people to be tortured as heretics for blasphemy. Natural rights would start disintegrating left and right.

So like I said, you'll have to do a lot of work to convince me that religion established inalienable rights. They were established despite religion.

I always thought Atheism is the religion of memes. /shrug



Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The inalienable rights came about with a more secular approach. Not a religious one.. Just because the "Creator" is involved it's still a secular understanding
Elaborate?

^ As opposed to a bunch of fairy tales? lol

Originally posted by Stigma
Elaborate?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
There's a reason that we've progressed as our society has become more secular and has less reliant on the church for the decisions we make.

The very fact that the founding fathers did not make any official establishment of religion. That is by definition secular.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ As opposed to a bunch of fairy tales? lol
Um...no need to get triggered by my remark. C'mon now, there are more serious matters at hand.


I am actually interested how Leech will elaborate his position given that he made a few interesting claims.


EDIT:

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
The very fact that the founding fathers did not make any official establishment of religion. That is by definition secular.
Oh, I see. But you still need to elaborate on a few things from your post to make it clear. A few spring to mind like:

- Why invoke the Creator as the one giving the rights, though?

- What is *the Creator* in the secular worldview?

- Are spiritual/religious views influencing political doctrines or not?

etc.

Originally posted by Stigma
Um...no need to get triggered by my remark. C'mon now, there aare more serious matters at hand.


I am actually interested how Leech will elaborate his position given that he made a few interesting claims.

No more triggered then your remark.

Originally posted by socool8520
No more triggered then your remark.
Right....

Anyways. No matter.

Originally posted by Stigma
Oh, I see. But you still need to elaborate on a few things from your post to make it clear. A few spring to mind like:

- Why invoke the Creator as the one giving the rights, though?

- What is *the Creator* in the secular worldview?

- Are spiritual/religious views influencing political doctrines or not?

etc.

Because that's the way everyone thought. Darwin hadn't come around yet to push God out of the picture, lol. It's still a more secular understanding than taking laws directly from the Bible or whatever holy book like a theocracy, which is of course not what the founding fathers wanted. Therefore they were intentionally establishing a secular nation.

Originally posted by Stigma
Right....

Anyways. No matter.


cool beans

Get real, Jefferson created his own Bible by copy/pasting out the less crazy parts, leaving out all the magiks. This guy at best was a Deist, possibly even a proto-athiest

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Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Because that's the way everyone thought.
So..... you mean it was their religious beliefs that made them invoke the Creator as the giver of the unalienable rights.

Great

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Darwin hadn't come around yet to push God out of the picture, lol.

Is this an argument "had they known X they would probably believe Y" ? If so, you should elaborate on that. (BTW don't do that, it's impossible to prove, therefore inconsequential remark of yours)

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
It's still a more secular understanding than taking laws directly from the Bible or whatever holy book like a theocracy, which is of course not what the founding fathers wanted
Genuine question:
Which countries in the Western civilization created their legal systems by taking laws directly from the Bible?

Originally posted by Robtard
Get real, Jefferson created his own Bible by copy/pasting out the less crazy parts, leaving out all the magiks. This guy at best was a Deist, possibly even a proto-athiest
Actually, my point.

He was heavily influenced by spiritual/religious views.

Deism =/= (proto-)Atheism

Originally posted by Stigma


Genuine question:
Which countries in the Western civilization created their legal systems by taking laws directly from the Bible?

Many of the Biblical rules aren't exclusive to the Bible though.

Originally posted by Stigma
Actually, my point.

He was heavily influenced by spiritual/religious views.

Deism =/= (proto-)Atheism

TBF, I just made up "proto-Athiest", cos it sounded cool.

Originally posted by Robtard
TBF, I just made up "proto-Athiest", cos it sounded cool.
It does sound cool

Originally posted by socool8520
Many of the Biblical rules aren't exclusive to the Bible though.
Sure thing.

But...my question was: Which countries in the Western civilization created their legal systems by taking laws directly from the Bible?

Just curious. I have my suspicions, though.

Originally posted by Stigma
It does sound cool

Read that Poland recently qualified for the World Cup. Kudos

Originally posted by Robtard
Read that Poland recently qualified for the World Cup. Kudos
Thanks It's going to be a great World Cup.

BTW I just skimmed through the forums lately. I am not up to date, but I saw California was damaged heavily by bush fires. Hope you're OK.

Originally posted by Stigma
Sure thing.

But...my question was: Which countries in the Western civilization created their legal systems by taking laws directly from the Bible?

Just curious. I have my suspicions, though.

From what I know, all of them.

My only point was to contradict Emperordmb's notion that we get our Natural rights because of religion and not secular notions. They may have been religious people that came up with them, but that's not the same as them coming about because of religion. Religion was the only game in town, so of course these notions came from religious people. But they are notions that are straying from the conventional religious notions at the time. Like you said, deism seems a natural progression from the traditional theism of a personal and involved Creator.

Well basic morality has been hinted at being around longer than any organized religion. It would make sense that this basic morality would be adopted by the different religions.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
My only point was to contradict Emperordmb's notion that we get our Natural rights because of religion and not secular notions. They may have been religious people that came up with them, but that's not the same as them coming about because of religion. Religion was the only game in town, so of course these notions came from religious people. But they are notions that are straying from the conventional religious notions at the time. Like you said, deism seems a natural progression from the traditional theism of a personal and involved Creator.
Cool

TBH I'm not going to argue semantics nor press you any longer. I guess I grew kinda lazy for longer debates.....


Anyways, I see your point. And I kinda see Emperor's point too.

Originally posted by socool8520
From what I know, all of them.
Then you don't know much, do you?

Which ones don't?

Originally posted by socool8520
Which ones don't?
Um....that's not how it works.

Which ones do? Your statement was a dodge/generalizaiton. Give me specifics. I am curious myself.


BTW the question is about directly getting laws from the Bible into legal system. I am curious about evidence of that.

The basic commandments or all of them? It's a vague question.

I don't know of a western civilization where things like murder, rape, theft, etc. are acceptable.

Originally posted by Stigma
Thanks It's going to be a great World Cup.

BTW I just skimmed through the forums lately. I am not up to date, but I saw California was damaged heavily by bush fires. Hope you're OK.

Yeah, had a serious string of fires about 40miles North of me, so I just got a lot of shit smoke. thanks

Originally posted by socool8520
The basic commandments or all of them? It's a vague question.
Not at all.


There is a difference between laws influenced by religious beliefs, and laws taken directly from a religious book and inserted into legal system.

Again. I feel like we're arguing semantics..

But as a hint I would point out the Separation of Church and State that was (is) operating in Christendom.

Originally posted by Stigma
Not at all.


There is a difference between laws influenced by religious beliefs, and laws taken directly from a religious book and inserted into legal system.

Are you saying word for word? Though shalt not ..... and all? Then I honestly don't know.

Native American tribes/cultures had societal laws not based on Judaeo/Christian values/scripture, per colonization of course.

Originally posted by Stigma
Cool

TBH I'm not going to argue semantics nor press you any longer. I guess I grew kinda lazy for longer debates.....


Anyways, I see your point. And I kinda see Emperor's point too.

It just annoys me when people try to say that the US is a "Christian nation" because the founding fathers believed in God and knew the Bible. Religion was the only game in town. But they established a secular nation, precisely not to establish any particular religion and that's a big reason why the US has flourished like it has.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Oh, Christians don't solve world problems? You mean like every one of our presidents ever, the people who founded our country, some of our greatest civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr. (who was a Christian minister), most of the people who have fought and died in wars for the US, a lot of the Christians I know who regularly donate to charity or help distribute food and clothes to poor and homeless people. But yeah no, we're all just a bunch of bloviating jackasses who care only for preaching.

Absolutely nothing you've said has to do with the specific beliefs of Christianity, just values you can get from or without religion, hence Christianity isn't necessary for the discussion.

And as you've touched upon, Christianity has been vested way more power than aitheism has. Hence if you want to obligate someone to solve problems in the world, it should be Christians.
Originally posted by Emperordmb

I'd criticize a Christian who spent most of their ideological time bitching about atheism just as harshly.
Except b!tching about Aitheism is exactly what you're doing.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Absolutely nothing you've said has to do with the specific beliefs of Christianity, just values you can get from or without religion, hence Christianity isn't necessary for the discussion.
Yeah and what can you cite the good that atheists do that is specific to a lack of belief in God by that token?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Except b!tching about Aitheism is exactly what you're doing.

1. I'm not bitching about atheism as a whole no, I'm bitching about a subset of atheists.

2. Unlike several atheists who make shitting on religion the focus of their ideological pursuit and don't have their priorities straight (which is what I was complaining about), I focus a lot more criticism on certain political and philosophical ideologies that are significantly more harmful than what anyone could drum up either Christianity or atheism to be if they tried.

3. Nice self-censorship, couldn't bring yourself to type the actual word?

In the last three pages I've only seen 2 different memes in this thread about memes.


Title is misleading. 2/10. Unsubscribed.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah and what can you cite the good that atheists do that is specific to a lack of belief in God by that token?

virtually all scientific and societal progress has been made possible by a separation from religious belief as a source of reason. If religion had it's way we'd still think the earth was at the center of the universe, systematically wipe out Muslims, and wrap up gay people in cigarettes before setting them aflame.

Aithiesm is simply the lack of religious belief and hence any decision that's ever been made in spite of or regardless of religious belief is a result of making policy on atheistic rather than religious grounds.

The weakening influence of religious belief has done us good, and that is despite the religious wielding far greater political power and resources than the non-religious over the course of history.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
2. Unlike several atheists who make shitting on religion the focus of their ideological pursuit and don't have their priorities straight (which is what I was complaining about), I focus a lot more criticism on certain political and philosophical ideologies that are significantly more harmful than what anyone could drum up either Christianity or atheism to be if they tried.

You are aware the concept that discussing your disagreement with religion as a concept and condemning slavery or mass murder aren't mutually exclusive concepts?

Brining up these unrelated problems is just a silly way to deflect from the problems that religion still causes us as a society.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
3. Nice self-censorship, couldn't bring yourself to type the actual word?


That's relevant.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
virtually all scientific and societal progress has been made possible by a separation from religious belief as a source of reason. If religion had it's way we'd still think the earth was at the center of the universe, systematically wipe out Muslims, and wrap up gay people in cigarettes before setting them aflame.

Aithiesm is simply the lack of religious belief and hence any decision that's ever been made in spite of or regardless of religious belief is a result of making policy on atheistic rather than religious grounds.

The weakening influence of religious belief has done us good, and that is despite the religious wielding far greater political power and resources than the non-religious over the course of history.



Originally posted by Lord Lucien
In the last three pages I've only seen 2 different memes in this thread about memes.


Title is misleading. 2/10. Unsubscribed.



Well, the thread was really just a troll attempt by Fly. So you can't really expect much out of that.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vdfFZFTOUtU/WHBU1oqkhjI/AAAAAAAAB6U/_B67gX6iUZMUb8CcmnI7Zvhv_8xcxzMYgCLcB/s1600/atheism%2Bbabies.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sxClL.jpg

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https://pics.me.me/Facebook-d25c66.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuJhqTmCQAEJU6X.png

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuJhqTmCQAEJU6X.png Pretty much addresses any supposedly "smart" religious argument ever.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuJhqTmCQAEJU6X.png cant see it

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuJhqTmCQAEJU6X.png B-b-but ma design argument!

Originally posted by Ursumeles
cant see it


Attached...

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I hurt my brain trying to make sense of that.

wat

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I hurt my brain trying to make sense of that.

Yeah, me too.

lmao

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n73njpMrnOM/Ude5FL3aqiI/AAAAAAAAJ5I/i1uS009jmUI/s1600/howreligioustypeseeus.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YYdhXwfcsGo/UeEmZN606fI/AAAAAAAAJ6E/BpJd2_Rqp7s/s1600/new-atheist-pride3.png

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/1044414/85318821.jpeg

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/1044414/85318800.jpg

So true.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DLROrsbUJvg/VNsXDpVbIBI/AAAAAAAALUU/5tSMXMMRqUI/s1600/1460097_718936064802421_802136129_n.jpg

^ it's bad ideas causing harm in the world that are not tolerated.

I've never seen anyone wanting to burn down churches. That's Islamic terrorist shit. Religion has the patent on that.

Religion IS a mental disorder because it deludes people and causes them to ignore reality and simple truths about the world. That's a problem. And if you can't see it, then you're part of the problem.

Unlike poltics which does the same thing. But we aint supposed to talk about that. But then Politicians and Secular Governments have MURDRED more people then Religion.

Can we know Classify Those groups as Insane? They too demand that people be forced to believe in stuff that don't exist. Like Gender Transformation and Climate Change!

http://catholicmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/6a0p.jpg

Originally posted by Flyattractor
...stuff that don't exist. Like Gender Transformation and Climate Change!

Genders and climates do indeed change. People get surgery to do so. And the climate has changed many times in the history of the planet. They are quite confirmed to be real things.

Do you have any other delusional and false statements to make, Fly?

https://alfahir.hu/sites/default/files/indexfoto/jackie-chan-wtf.jpg

I mean, thanks, I guess?

That's not the athiest premise. The athiest premise is that belief in that which lacks evidence is unreasonable. IE: Life being a burger is possible, but there's no reason to believe it.

IE: It's possible there's an omnipotent all benvolent setient organic who uses his hilariously flawed universe as a mask for a perfect paradise, there's just no reason to believe it.


You can't get down on personal whim when it's what your personal beliefs are based on. To believe something is real based on evidence is logical. To decide evidence is unnecessary to believe in something is unreasonable. If unsubstantiated belief doesn't warrant criticism regarding faith, then I'm not sure why you're criticizing people for applying the exact same logical basis you are.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Genders and climates do indeed change. People get surgery to do so. And the climate has changed many times in the history of the planet. They are quite confirmed to be real things.

Do you have any other delusional and false statements to make, Fly?


Yes. Cutting parts of your self off DOSE NOT CHANGE OUR GENDER! That is just Mutilation cause by a Mental Disorder.

And I do believe in Climate Change. They are called SEASONS! Happens 4 times a year.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuJhqTmCQAEJU6X.png

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Pretty much addresses any supposedly "smart" religious argument ever.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
B-b-but ma design argument!

Originally posted by Ursumeles
cant see it

Whats to see. It's Ahtiesm. They got NOTHING To show already.


....

Evolution is just a theory.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
I do believe in Climate Change. They are called SEASONS! Happens 4 times a year.

Originally posted by MuslimForLife
Evolution is just a theory.

*Grown* Too much stupid to handle...

Evolution is a theory the same way gravity is a theory and the germ theory of disease is a theory. In other words it's proven. To deny it is to be either sheltered and brainwashed or willfully ignorant of facts about the world. Yes, the universe is 13.7 billion years old, and yes the planet is about 4.5 billion years old. Holy books are out-dated, ignorant BS. Get over it.



Originally posted by NewGuy01
https://alfahir.hu/sites/default/files/indexfoto/jackie-chan-wtf.jpg

I mean, thanks, I guess?



Originally posted by Flyattractor
Yes. Cutting parts of your self off DOSE NOT CHANGE OUR GENDER! That is just Mutilation cause by a Mental Disorder.

Actually I'm inclined to partially agree with you, minus the Mental Disorder part. I don't know if it's possible to say one way or another on that. It's possible that people are really born not feeling comfortable with their given physical gender, but perhaps it's some strange mental illness at least in part caused by the strange social pressures? But I'm not inclined to think that they are pretending when it brings about so much grief and persecution. Kind of like homosexuality. I don't know, I'm not an expert on gender/sexuality, etc.

But what are you gonna do, Fly, pray the gay away?


Originally posted by Rockydonovang
That's not the athiest premise. The athiest premise is that belief in that which lacks evidence is unreasonable. IE: Life being a burger is possible, but there's no reason to believe it.

IE: It's possible there's an omnipotent all benvolent setient organic who uses his hilariously flawed universe as a mask for a perfect paradise, there's just no reason to believe it.

Ah, refreshing. Someone gets it.

Big point is they just changed the meaning of the word "Theory" to suit their narrative. The Left does that a llot.

If Gay is a Gender? Why are they only created by Heterosexual Sex?

That last part. DON"T BUY THAT MADE UP STUFF! BUY OUR MADE UP STUFF!

The Atheist Motto.

You are completely insane, Fly. You really should be locked up.

Not everything is a Leftist conspiracy. Sometimes it's just simple facts.

Oh of Course it is! You just have to say that because you are a mind washed Vassal of said Lefty Conspiracy.