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So, I know most of KMC is aligned with Sidious' superiority to Vitiate. While I myself may not agree with that stance, I admit there are easy arguments to make for it.

But my question here is where does everyone hold Vitiate and Valkorion comparative to whatever varying versions of Sidious?

I ask because I find it difficult to get a beat on actual character placements here, I can rarely tell when people are trolling or being serious, and this is something I've been curious about recently.

Vitiate is about TPM Sidious level for me. Valkorion is RotS Sidious level.

SWTOR Vitiate shouldn't be far off from ROTS Palpatine. Valkorion should also be approaching DE Palpatine, though each are inferior to the respective versions of Sidious imo.

Originally posted by Trocity
SWTOR Vitiate shouldn't be far off from ROTS Palpatine. Valkorion should also be approaching DE Palpatine, though each are inferior to the respective versions of Sidious imo. That's pretty fair tbh

Vitiate is above all versions of Palps. Valkorion is a tier above with The Ones, Abeloth etc.

Valkorion is at least a tier below Tenebrous, Plagueis and TPM Sheev

Valk's death threatened to knock out every Force sensitive who lived at the time of Satele Shan tier or lower. Try harder.

Eh, dunno about Vity, but Valkorion is around DE Sidious level. Slightly lower, probably.

SWTor Vitiate is more or less around RotS Sid level, but still weaker. Valkorion is near Rotj Sid

Vitiate is around TPM Sidious level and Valkorion is around RotS Sidious.

Vitiate is ROTS, Valkorian is around ROTJ, below DE.

Nearly knocking out satele class characters, and literally nearly every force sensitive, with just his death.
And his ability to create a Galaxy wiping ritual, makes tenebrous/Plagueis look like infants.

Most amusing.

The Emperor completely overpowered Revan in a raw Force exchange, who was much more powerful than the Revan who boarded the Star Forge. Who destroyed an entire legion of the most elite Sith Lords and Sith Commandos in the Empire all before facing and defeating a massively amped Bastila prior to facing hundreds of Star Forge droids. Then he fought and overpowered Darth Malak.

Star Forge amped Malak has mastered this power source, which is immeasurably more powerful than any other Rakata technology as it is the pinnacle. This makes the power of the star maps insignificant in comparison, meaning Malak with the Star Forge amp would've been vastly more powerful than Pall and his Shadow Hands such as Karness Muur or Sorzus Syn.

Please tell me how Vitiate > Reborn Revan > Redeemed Revan > Hindered and exhausted Revan > SF Malak >>> Karness Muur factors in on this equation.

Fixed.

I get your point but I'm referring to the exact feat I mentioned above.

Despite Drew's miserable writing, it seems pretty clear that NoVitiate > Revan tbh.

He overpowers his Tutaminis almost instantly and Revan is paralysed by the attack. Vitiate would've killed him then and there if not for T3's intervention. SWTOR Vitiate grows ever more powerful across three centuries after this by draining his personal servants and Revan himself. He'd logically be so much more powerful by then that Revan Reborn would be close to one-shot range.

It's quite incredible how many magnitudes of power he's above Muur range by SWTOR.

I CBF arguing/explaining it for the 50th time.
@Darthant66, can you make a copypasta of the argument why Revan is not that far off Vitiate.

We all read the thread, Hasch.

Indeed, I wasn't convinced.

Novel Vitiate ~ TFUI Vader
SWTOR Vitiate ~ ANH Vader
Valkorion ~ RotJ Vader <= Tenebrous

Originally posted by Azronger
Valkorion is at least a tier below Tenebrous, Plagueis and TPM Sheev

Between Plagueis and RotS Sheev in the Force, inferior to both in all out.

(Not sure how to gauge MM in combat)

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Novel Vitiate ~ TFUI Vader
SWTOR Vitiate ~ ANH Vader
Valkorion ~ RotJ Vader <= Tenebrous

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Vitiate is ROTS, Valkorian is around ROTJ, below DE.

Nearly knocking out satele class characters, and literally nearly every force sensitive, with just his death.
And his ability to create a Galaxy wiping ritual, makes tenebrous/Plagueis look like infants.
Plagueis fundamentally shifted the balance of the force, and telepathically reached out to every being in the galaxy.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Novel Vitiate ~ TFUI Vader
SWTOR Vitiate ~ ANH Vader
Valkorion ~ RotJ Vader <= Tenebrous
Wouldn't walking through Palp's lightning put Vader above Tene

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Wouldn't walking through Palp's lightning put Vader above Tene

Well I don't think that means Vader is actually on Sidious's tier, it's more of a durability/willpower feat that can still work if Vader is doing it to a being more powerful than himself.

very low, in the dirt really

Originally posted by AncientPower
Most amusing.

The Emperor completely overpowered Revan in a raw Force exchange, who was much more powerful than the Revan who boarded the Star Forge. Who destroyed an entire legion of the most elite Sith Lords and Sith Commandos in the Empire all before facing and defeating a massively amped Bastila prior to facing hundreds of Star Forge droids. Then he fought and overpowered Darth Malak.

Star Forge amped Malak has mastered this power source, which is immeasurably more powerful than any other Rakata technology as it is the pinnacle. This makes the power of the star maps insignificant in comparison, meaning Malak with the Star Forge amp would've been vastly more powerful than Pall and his Shadow Hands such as Karness Muur or Sorzus Syn.

Please tell me how Vitiate > Reborn Revan > Redeemed Revan > Hindered and exhausted Revan > SF Malak >>> Karness Muur factors in on this equation.

Since when does the Star Forge amp your Force strength?

From the video-game it was presented that the Star Forge was a tool, engineered by the Rakata, that was feeding on the dark side to create battle droids(hence, why Revan never wanted to use it). And also it had the power to heal darksiders, as the Star Forge did Bastila Shan when she was fighting Revan.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Wouldn't walking through Palp's lightning put Vader above Tene

Vader died?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Plagueis fundamentally shifted the balance of the force, and telepathically reached out to every being in the galaxy.

Plagueis and Sidious fundamentally shifted the balance of the Force*

Anyways it is not a testimony of his Force strength because it was not a sudden win. And the Force wasn't really bested/outbalanced by Plagueis: those were only his thoughts because the Force didn't respond back at him by killing him and Sidious, but it did. The Muun kept playing with it; and the Force was like: OK, bi*ch, taste a bit from your own medicine.

Novel Vitiate: Don't really know

SWTOR Vitiate: ROTJ Sidious

Valkorion: DE Sidious

RotJ Sids +

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Novel Vitiate: Don't really know

SWTOR Vitiate: ROTJ Sidious

Valkorion: DE Sidious

Nihilus>DE Sidious

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Since when does the Star Forge amp your Force strength?

From the video-game it was presented that the Star Forge was a tool, engineered by the Rakata, that was feeding on the dark side to create battle droids(hence, why Revan never wanted to use it). And also it had the power to heal darksiders, as the Star Forge did Bastila Shan when she was fighting Revan.

Vitiate below RotJ Vader, Valkorion about equal to RotJ Vader.

Below Galen