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Hand to hand, no weapons for Diana, no flight for either, who wins?

Blue Marvel

Wonder Woman 10/10.

This isn't even close.

^this

Diana stomps and stomps hard

The way Diana fights give her the edge here.

Diana wins 6/10. Blue marvel is likely stronger and more durable than her, but her skill gives her the majority.

I don't know about 6/10...I would probably give her more than that. Superman while amped couldn't even touch Diana accept when he surprised her with heat vision. When she wanted to end it, she did. Lasso and tie up for the win and she would do that majority of the time.


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Originally posted by carver9
I don't know about 6/10...I would probably give her more than that. Superman while amped couldn't even touch Diana accept when he surprised her with heat vision. When she wanted to end it, she did. Lasso and tie up for the win and she would do that majority of the time.


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1. New 52 Superman had literally no h2h skill to speak of and BM has fought characters with actual skill.

2. Read the OP. There is no lasso.

Diana's combat skills are nearly next to none in her weight class. Adam is likely more powerful, more durable, and stronger but upsets have happened plenty in comics. That being said, it would be her fight to lose. I'd give her a 65% or better chance of winning here.

Originally posted by deathslash

1. New 52 Superman had literally no h2h skill to speak of and BM has fought characters with actual skill.

2. Read the OP. There is no lasso. CO-Sign

Sorry wrong quote, this is the correct oneOriginally posted by Stoic
Diana's combat skills are nearly next to none in her weight class. Adam is likely more powerful, more durable, and stronger but upsets have happened plenty in comics. That being said, it would be her fight to lose. I'd give her a 65% or better chance of winning here. Co-Sign

Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by deathslash
Blue marvel is likely stronger and more durable than her There's no evidence for that. Certainly not strength.

blue marvel is certainly not stronger, Diana has pulled the earth with MM and Superman before

Originally posted by MrMind
blue marvel is certainly not stronger, Diana has pulled the earth with MM and Superman before
Do you think Adam could duplicate that feat if switched out with WW?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Hand to hand, no weapons for Diana, no flight for either, who wins? BM has the strength and durability advantage to offset WWs fighting skill, much like Superman.
BM for the majority.

Originally posted by Facee
Do you think Adam could duplicate that feat if switched out with WW?

Of course he could. It would have been more impressive if she had done it alone. No telling what percentage she pulled. She'd never defeat the team that Pagan was beating up on, and like I said earlier Adam turned around and kicked Pagan's butt.

Originally posted by riv6672
BM has the strength and durability advantage to offset WWs fighting skill, much like Superman.
BM for the majority.

I see the fight going a lot like Gamora vs Random powerhouse. She wouldn't sweep, but her level of skill would allow for her to convincingly outscore Adam. No way is she stronger though, and he's proven to be able to hang with guys capable of high speed combat. He just lacks her level of skill.

Originally posted by Stoic
There's plenty of evidence. Blue Marvel single took out Pagan all on his own, leaving many people with their mouths open. Pagan beat up on the combined might and power of an extremely powerful team of Avengers which consisted of Thor, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Vision, Firestar, Vance Astro, Triathlon, Captain America, Captain Marvel, and Iron Man. I highly doubt that Wonder Woman would be able to do that.

It actually seems very likely from that feat alone that Pagan was a low to mid trans. Yeah Adam is more very likely more durable, stronger, and more powerful than Diana.

Diana just one shotted the Shaggy Man recently, who is a JLA team buster himself.

There is no concrete evidence that Blue Marvel is stronger.

Diana wins imo, far faster, more skilled, and might be more powerful too if she removes the bracelets.

Originally posted by MrMind
blue marvel is certainly not stronger, Diana has pulled the earth with MM and Superman before

Diana would shitstomp him in a feat war.

She KO'd Shaggy Man, who was fighting the entire Justice League and they were having problems:

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@not-able-to-be-directly-quoted-Phiosphia

That posted feat is invalid, as per the OP stips.

Originally posted by Damborgson
...no flight for either...

Originally posted by Sensui
Diana just one shotted the Shaggy Man recently, who is a JLA team buster himself.

There is no concrete evidence that Blue Marvel is stronger.

Diana wins imo, far faster, more skilled, and might be more powerful too if she removes the bracelets.

Didn't look like a one shot to me.

Per OP rules take off all of her gear.

No flight.

What do you get?

Did you read the Sentry fight, or are you just basing it off what you saw on the forum? They went at it in an extended slug fest. Sentry beat him down on his knees, saying "Now stay down before I really get ticked off" . Sentry could have continue pounding on him right there, but he was trying to reason with him, since he could relate with his struggle. Blue Marvel then flash-KOd him into orbit, but then Sentry came back and dive bombed him into unconsciousness .

Getting into a fist fight with someone, exchanging hits, losing, him trying to calm you down, and you punching him as he does so doesn't mean you beat him in one punch.

It wasn't a one shot.

Take off all of her magical gear.

This is a H2H bout.

Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't look like a one shot to me.

Per OP rules take off all of her gear.

No flight.

What do you get?
Nude WW standing in the desert?

And a nude Adam!!!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And a nude Adam!!!!!
Not a fig leaf to be found.

Blue Marvel needs to dig-deep to beat high-metas/low heralds like King Hyperion, the same one who had major problems against depowered Juggernaut.

He'd get the shit kicked out of him, naked or not.

Originally posted by riv6672
Nude WW standing in the desert?
I meant no bracers or lasso.

The Juggernauts power was variable. At that time he picked up and threw a giant monster. Phil lies too much.

Originally posted by Stoic
I meant no bracers or lasso.
Not nearly as formidable (or as much fun to look at) WW standing in the desert?

Phildo's soul is a cavern of lies

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Phildo's soul is a cavern of lies

https://m.popkey.co/e40271/WgQdD.gif

I take it the shadow-people are talking about me.

@philo

Senrty said BM was pushing him to his limit. Fair enough if it want a single punch but he was still fighting the avengers.

The whole dive bomb point is mute for a couple of reasons.
1.No Flight in this match
2.Sentry dive bombed from space. WW did it from a lot closer distance, plus Sentry could barely stand after it showing the force/impact that was used.

Surely the close it is the less damage? Moot,like you say......but that's why you're meant to step into a punch, to stop it before it's built up speed.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
@philo

Senrty said BM was pushing him to his limit. Fair enough if it want a single punch but he was still fighting the avengers.

The whole dive bomb point is mute for a couple of reasons.
1.No Flight in this match
2.Sentry dive bombed from space. WW did it from a lot closer distance, plus Sentry could barely stand after it showing the force/impact that was used.

All true.

Originally posted by Stoic
I meant no bracers or lasso.

Without her bracers, it makes her even more powerful. If the OP truly said this, Wonder Woman stomps with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
Without her bracers, it makes her even more powerful. If the OP truly said this, Wonder Woman stomps with ease.

I can agree that she'd stomp Ultimate Hulk with ease. This is the Rebirth era. All or most of that trash from the DCnu was tossed out with the crappy versions of the Rebirth heroes wasn't it?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
@philo

Senrty said BM was pushing him to his limit. Fair enough if it want a single punch but he was still fighting the avengers.

The whole dive bomb point is mute for a couple of reasons.
1.No Flight in this match
2.Sentry dive bombed from space. WW did it from a lot closer distance, plus Sentry could barely stand after it showing the force/impact that was used. I agree that Blue Marvel also wasn't 100% - but neither of them were, and Sentry was clearly holding back due to the whole "I can relate to your situation, please stop", and still had the advantage before he stopped. It's not a 'one punch' any way you look at it.

I missed the whole 'no flight' part - good point. But Blue Marvel still doesn't have the feats to compete, especially since his slug fest record isn't stellar - his fight with King Hyperion is a pretty big *, since he lost at first, before he went 'all out'. And if he needs to go all-out for such a shitty character, it doesn't paint a good picture for his capabilities here. Then he was at a distadvantage against a holding back 'normal hero' Sentry, who wasn't going all "WWH" - and hero Sentry is pretty shitty. He also traded punches with Namor, who gives him some lip service:
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He's Namor-ish in strength, imo, which is sub-Wonder Woman.

This is of course, ignoring her also vastly superior skill, speed and durability, which makes it 10/10.

Originally posted by carver9
Without her bracers, it makes her even more powerful. If the OP truly said this, Wonder Woman stomps with ease.

She's not amped of course, in this thread at least.

BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor. that's without even mentioning how namor said that he hits as hard as both of them.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor. Blue Marvel > Wonderman > Namor

Even if Namor can survive in space, hard for me to imagine him pushing away a meteor the size of Arkansas.

Maybe he can, but really hard to imagine. Seems like they usually reserve feats like those for upper tier strong men.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor.

He's probably stronger than Thor in terms of lifting strength. Has Thor ever one shot the Hulk? Even if it was Ultimate Hulk. Ultimate Hulk was still able to evenly contend with 616 Hulk. It's not everyday that a character is able to one shot the Hulk when he's operating at optimal levels.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Even if Namor can survive in space, hard for me to imagine him pushing away a meteor the size of Arkansas.

Maybe he can, but really hard to imagine. Seems like they usually reserve feats like those for upper tier strong men.

Pagan would have beaten the life out of Namor. Namor would have never gotten up from King Hyperion's sneak attack, which was cheap asf.

Originally posted by Stoic
He's probably stronger than Thor in terms of lifting strength. Has Thor ever one shot the Hulk? Even if it was Ultimate Hulk. Ultimate Hulk was still able to evenly contend with 616 Hulk. It's not everyday that a character is able to one shot the Hulk when he's operating at optimal levels.
Maybe. Doubt it.


One shotting the Hulk is not a requirement for being considered strong.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maybe. Doubt it.


One shotting the Hulk is not a requirement for being considered strong. Hulk is the most durable herald in marvel, so one shotting hulk is a big feat

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Maybe. Doubt it.


One shotting the Hulk is not a requirement for being considered strong.

What about beating Pagan? You can't be seriously considering that King Hyperion was some mid meta on the Things level?

Never actually showed him beating pagan

Concerning his fight with sentry writer even said the negative energy being released into the earth was messing with sentrys powers

Originally posted by -K-M-
Never actually showed him beating pagan

Concerning his fight with sentry writer even said the negative energy being released into the earth was messing with sentrys powers

Never actually showed him dropping the pyramid either. It was among the accomplishments or tasks that he completed.

Originally posted by Stoic
I meant no bracers or lasso.

Wonder Woman is MORE powerful without her bracers. She would win 9/10 there.

I thought there was context with the Ultimate Hulk showing K.M?

Here's the full "fight". Again zero context behind it. We have no clue if he even beat him or if he did...how he did it

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Lets look it into it a bit deeper. This is from the same issue where Blue Marvel struggled against King Hyperion. Pagan, true Pagan is a lot more powerful then KH. One hell of a stretch there

To be fair to Adam, Hyperion seemed to be having a good day.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
Here's the full "fight". Again zero context behind it. We have no clue if he even beat him or if he did...how he did it

https://i.imgur.com/1haEHab.jpg


Lets look it into it a bit deeper. This is from the same issue where Blue Marvel struggled against King Hyperion. Pagan, true Pagan is a lot more powerful then KH. One hell of a stretch there

King Hyperion apparently hit Adam harder than the Sentry did. Does that mean that KH was a mid to high meta? He beat Pagan. It was simply one more of the errands that he completed while traveling the world helping out. Did you see him holding a weapon? Tech? Team mates? We see him punching Pagan, and it hurting Pagan which was indicative of him completing another mission. We didn't see him drop the building, or village that he held in the air. Maybe he lost his grip and all of those people plummeted to their deaths? No KM because the plot lead us to believe that he completed those tasks.

Gotta agree.
Absolutely nothing in the story indicated that.



And though heavily implied, there's not enough proof on him beating Pagan.

Sentry being drained after dive bomb iron man confirms a bigger rift to negative zone opened

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What has been established as weakening sentry? Negative zone energy. Anti-man was even releasing anti-matter in his first fight with the avengers. He lost enough energy causing him to vanish

Prior to sentry and BM fight (issue 5) anti-matter storms were popping up (issue 3). Prior to ththe fight in 5 reed says storms have gotten much worse

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Sentry was hurt. Not drained. He just finished recovering from a flash ko and he went straight for a kamikaze dive bomb in hopes of ending things quickly.

As far as being weak to nzone "energy", that part has never really been established. It seemed more to do with his psyche. Void seemed to overtake his good half when in the negative zone. Maybe because the nzone was the inverse of the positive universe? Some symbolism in play maybe? Dunno.

And not once during the BM mini was it shown or even hinted at that he was drained. Heck Grevioux went out of his way to not say he was weakened by the negative energy. His answer seemed to just want to appease a fan that led him into an answer.

When other characters like Gladiator, or Superman are around energy that affects them negatively, we typically read them or see them saying something about it. Sentry said nothing about feeling weak in the presence of Adam. He didn't fire off any energy at Bob. did he once even mention feeling weak during that story? It seems more like another attempt to invalidate Adam's feats.

He was punched into the atmosphere meaning he would have flown through an anti-matter storm. Also the fact the storms were popping up over the world releasing their energy into the earth. You guys don’t want to agree with KG ie the writer of the story (that’s fine) but he did confirm this was “screwing up” sentry powers and prior continuity has established negative zone energy is bad for sentry

Again have we seen sentry that depleted thay weakened after two hits? One sending him into space (returned a few panels later) and the other he did himself by doing a divebomb on BM

@KM...

I don't think they are saying the dive bomb hurt him... They are saying the punch did and if you look at Sentry posture when floating in space, you can see why they are saying that. As soon as he woke up, he flew down to Blue Marvel swinging. Imagine getting knocked out, waking up from being knocked out and then trying to fight someone as soon as you're up. You're not going to be anywhere near your best. Sentry dive bomb BM in a position like this, without recovery.

The impact still affected him. He was momentarily ko' d which made him perform poorly. You really seem to be going out of your way to make it seem as if Adams feat were all shams. Even going as far as to compare him to a character that has trouble taking down the Thing, and later taking down Rhino. It's more than obvious that Adam is an elite. Really wondering why the attempt is so strong to invalidate his feats?

Also to add
- did we see BM beat Pagen and if he did how? Nope

But again what do i know I’m apparently a “hater” that doesn’t provide evidence. This is called a deflection tactic your trying

You've used a writer's perspective in an attempt to downplay every single feat that Adam has. At this point I'm surprised that you haven't stated that the meteorite the size of Arkansas wasn't any heavier than a hot water balloon, or tried to diminish the Ghost of the Shaper as being a mid meta peer. We don't have to agree on Pagan being beaten, but they would have never included it with his accomplishments if it were actually a fail. I'm your mind he didn't beat Pagan, while in mine he did, and I believe that I have more than enough evidence to justify my stance. Glad to see you're finally admitting that youre a hater. You ever take it into consideration that what one writer writes does not apply to what another writer writes? Whatever Sasquatch did under one writer doesn't invalidate another writer viewing that King Hyperion was an elite threat. We've seen it time and again to even greater extents like when Captain America or Spider Man beat up the Hulk off panel. Yet no one asked how he did it, simply that they did do it without question. Let's agree to disagree, because as it stands most of everything that you stated makes little to no sense unless we were trying place Adam squarely on Sasquatchs level. Something that I believe that you'd attempt without any sort of justification.

@KM (I cant quote you for some strange reason)...

That's the thing. He didn't recover fast because the next time we see Sentry after the punch, he was damaged. Youre blaming it on the dive bomb but nothing points to that being the case.

You mention when have we saw Sentry rocked in two punches. Lol...thats the thing and the huge ft of the showing... we haven't seen him rocked in two punch but Adam was able to do it. This is impressive for BM, not a downer on Sentry.

Look at it like this...you seem to like Superman. Let's say if he rocked Darkseid in two punches; would you use it against Darkseid or use it as a ft for Superman. Think about it and be honest.

@KM...

Stoic doesn't have to show you this happening to Sentry again. It doesn't need to be replicated. Adam did it and if anyone else wasn't able to achieve the same results, that isn't a knock against them or Sentry, it just tells you how powerful Blue Marvel punch is.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

As far as being weak to nzone "energy", that part has never really been established. It seemed more to do with his psyche. Void seemed to overtake his good half when in the negative zone. Maybe because the nzone was the inverse of the positive universe? Some symbolism in play maybe? Dunno.


Its been pretty detailed. Sentry didnt even know the Void was there, so I highly doubt is was his psyche.

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Sorry, forgot the scan with the Void

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Its not 100% clear cut so I guess I will admit that it could be his psyche but it doesnt seem likely. Something about that energy screws with him. Anti-Man proved that when he and Sentry met up.

Keep in mind light sentry was weakening same form of sentry that was fighting BM

Exert from handbook “....perused the general into the negative zone where his
Solar based powers were weakened”

On a side note is anyone else having troubles with the board. Can“t edit. Can“t quote and formatting on some of my text is going wonky (“lthink punctuations)

Originally posted by -K-M-
On a side note is anyone else having troubles with the board. Can“t edit. Can“t quote and formatting on some of my text is going wonky (“lthink punctuations)

Clean your browser and restart it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Clean your browser and restart it.

Been using phone past few days as laptop getting a tuneup

You can do the same thing on your phone.

Yeah Did it and cleared history.

Worked?

Formatting seems ok. But edit and quote feature still doesn“t work all the time. When I quote you it“s just blank in the subject line

Maybe try a different browser?

KMC has always been glitchy since that server move from years ago courtesy of Raz, you don't think that's the case? Never happened before on your mobile?

Don't use any special alphabets in your post. Kmc doesn't recognize it and hence the whole post goes blank.

Never happened this bad before

And Abhi what kind of special alphabet?

Like Phildo.

I did a whole BZ tourney post with my phone, stop griping.

Oh Im making it work was just curious if anyone else was undergoing it as never been this bad

Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh Im making it work was just curious if anyone else was undergoing it as never been this bad

Stop watching so much porn on your phone. Your cock is not the only thing that can get infected.

Youre not my dad!

I couldn't even quote KM earlier and can i be your daddy?

If you want. It wont be easy though.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Youre not my dad!

How can you be so sure about that...?

Go & ask your parents for DNA tests, see their reaction

KM hates Blue Marvel

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
BM > Namor strengthwise. Namor more like Wonder Man level. BM seems closer to Hulk,Thor.

Teenage namor thrashed wonderman and used him as a bat.

As for lifting feats being limited to upper tier only, where would you place thanos? Even before god quarry amp?

Bump.

WW, mostly due to speed. But having better skill, superior defenses (reactions and bracers), and one shot tools (lasso and sword) helps.